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Nov 10 04:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> pigeon: nope
Nov 10 04:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> afaik at least
Nov 10 04:15:58 <Caminomaster> hi
Nov 10 04:16:09 <Caminomaster> i have a n810
Nov 10 04:17:03 <Caminomaster> But I haven't upgraded my system, so I having troubles with microB, flash and chat
Nov 10 04:17:48 <Caminomaster> i read about a "seamless update", but i don't know how I soudl proceed
Nov 10 04:22:14 <mgedmin> Caminomaster, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 10 04:22:22 <mgedmin> ought to be a description
Nov 10 04:22:56 <mgedmin> you've two choices: the seamless upgrade (aka over the air), or reflashing (wipes data, so back up)
Nov 10 04:23:26 <luke-jr> Caminomaster: N810 is pretty hopeless
Nov 10 04:23:49 <Caminomaster> hopeless?, luke-jr?
Nov 10 04:23:53 <mgedmin> to use the SSU, open the app manager and look for a 'Maemo' update
Nov 10 04:23:54 <luke-jr> Caminomaster: slonopotamus and I maintain Gentoo for it, but that's the best you'll get I think
Nov 10 04:23:57 <Caminomaster> in what way?
Nov 10 04:24:05 <mgedmin> if you don't see it, then flashing is your only option
Nov 10 04:24:15 <luke-jr> Caminomaster: Nokia has abandoned Maemo entirely, let alone the 2-generations old version on N810
Nov 10 04:24:25 <luke-jr> mgedmin: do they even run the SSU anymore?
Nov 10 04:24:34 <mgedmin> good question
Nov 10 04:24:40 <luke-jr> Caminomaster: Nokia is 100% Microsoft now
Nov 10 04:24:43 <mgedmin> I don't see why not
Nov 10 04:24:50 <mgedmin> shutting things down takes effort :)
Nov 10 04:25:08 <luke-jr> mgedmin: less than continuing to pay the hosting bill
Nov 10 04:25:31 <mgedmin> unless they use the same hardware for N9 repos
Nov 10 04:25:44 <Caminomaster> omg! Nokia has fallen into the dark side of the force!
Nov 10 04:26:19 <luke-jr> ugh, N9 was such a joke
Nov 10 04:27:25 <adrianuy> Microsoft will eat to Nokia
Nov 10 04:29:18 <Caminomaster> unless Android become available for nokia devices
Nov 10 04:31:53 <Caminomaster> luke-jr, have I to add any repo to make this maemo update available?
Nov 10 04:32:17 <luke-jr> what maemo update?
Nov 10 04:32:21 <luke-jr> maemo is dead
Nov 10 04:36:45 <Caminomaster> hehe
Nov 10 04:37:31 <Caminomaster> last question was for mgedmin, so escuse me luke
Nov 10 04:39:50 <luke-jr> :P
Nov 10 04:53:13 <Caminomaster> bye 2 everyone
Nov 10 04:58:30 <DocScrutinizer> you are not really nice to that guy
Nov 10 04:59:18 <DocScrutinizer> you at least could have told him that he needs to flash to a newer version of diablo to get *any* SSU to work, N810 never came with SSU working OOTB
Nov 10 05:02:03 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: mine did O.o
Nov 10 05:02:20 <DocScrutinizer> hah
Nov 10 05:10:07 <DocScrutinizer> also http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project
Nov 10 05:20:11 <pigeon> DocScrutinizer: sad, thanks.
Nov 10 05:21:21 <pigeon> it's a bit of a shame that it's pretty good at doing multitasking and multi windowing though i can only open one note at a time.
Nov 10 05:21:43 <pigeon> same for e-mail, can only show one window (e-mail) at a time.
Nov 10 05:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> HAHA @ http://www.nokia.com/OS2008
Nov 10 05:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/search?q=http://www.nokia.com/OS2008
Nov 10 05:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-n810/software-update/whats-new
Nov 10 05:39:19 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: i thought you've destroyed your n810
Nov 10 05:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha feature update .23->.30 (actually incl kernel and all shit, some 12MB), boot, check again: feature update .30->.36, 24MB -> "PROBLEM: pre-installed-documentation-rx44(=5.4) missing, update not possible"  >:-( brilliant Nokia, really brilliant!
Nov 10 05:52:19 <DocScrutinizer> (^^^ diablo)
Nov 10 05:53:32 <slonopotamus> what are you doing? :-/
Nov 10 05:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> updating my spare N810 as long as google yields some hits for "N810"
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Nov 10 05:57:05 <slonopotamus> hmm... i have 5.2010.33-1 here
Nov 10 05:57:55 <DocScrutinizer> on N810? 
Nov 10 05:58:45 <slonopotamus> n800
Nov 10 05:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> hummm
Nov 10 05:58:56 <DocScrutinizer> lemme check
Nov 10 05:58:57 <slonopotamus> at least it claims so
Nov 10 05:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> 4.2008.30-2
Nov 10 06:00:09 <slonopotamus> maybe that's cssu?
Nov 10 06:00:19 <DocScrutinizer> quite possibly
Nov 10 06:00:53 <DocScrutinizer> thought it'd be a good idea to update to latest official befor I enable diabli CSSU
Nov 10 06:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> diablo*
Nov 10 06:01:28 <slonopotamus> http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project yes
Nov 10 06:04:00 <slonopotamus> meh. diablo kernel doesn't play well with glibc >= 2.12
Nov 10 06:25:07 <Macer> is bt dun done automatically?
Nov 10 06:25:26 <Macer> i'm about to try to tether my transformer to my n900 using bt
Nov 10 06:25:35 <Macer> if at all possible. i am trying to avoid wifi hotspot
Nov 10 06:27:53 <Macer> hm
Nov 10 06:27:59 <Macer> don't know how to do the bt dun in android :)
Nov 10 06:32:39 <psycho_oreos> android on N900 -> #nitdroid
Nov 10 06:39:41 <Sazpaimon_> what is the metapackage where all non-sdk maemo packages exist
Nov 10 06:40:04 <Sazpaimon_> i just want runtime stuff with no development headers
Nov 10 06:45:43 <DocScrutinizer> errrr
Nov 10 06:46:34 <Sazpaimon_> i mean, if I installed mp-fremantle-community-pr wouldn't that basically give a base CSSU install for maemo
Nov 10 06:47:23 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Nov 10 06:47:35 <DocScrutinizer> it's not supposed to get installed that way
Nov 10 06:54:25 <Macer> damnit
Nov 10 06:54:31 <Macer> ok. it isn't the transformer
Nov 10 06:54:37 <Macer> it is the bluetooth-dun maemo use
Nov 10 06:54:48 <Macer> when pairing it doesn't see the dun profile
Nov 10 06:54:52 <Macer> am i missing something here?
Nov 10 06:55:02 <Macer> i remeber on my netbook and macbook that this just worked :)
Nov 10 06:57:56 <Macer> does the bluetooth dun require the advanced kernel or something?
Nov 10 07:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon_: WAAH help!! I installed diablo CSSU, checked/enabled the catalog, hit update/refresh in appmanager several times, but I'm nailed to OS2008 4.2008.30-2 and according to changelog also no fixes in busybox
Nov 10 07:04:55 <DocScrutinizer> meh, nuttin a apt-get upGRADE won't fix, eh? X-P
Nov 10 07:07:50 <DocScrutinizer> 75 pkgs updating
Nov 10 07:17:18 <Macer> on an n810?
Nov 10 07:17:25 <Macer> that should take a day :)
Nov 10 07:17:34 <Termana> heh
Nov 10 07:20:33 <Macer> oh
Nov 10 07:20:38 <Macer> i guess i need ot use pan?
Nov 10 07:20:47 <Macer> i thought bluetooth-dun used pan as a way to connect
Nov 10 07:20:58 <Macer> i also need an "advanced" kernel and iptables?
Nov 10 07:20:59 <Macer> wtf :)
Nov 10 07:21:12 * Macer runs backupmenu
Nov 10 07:21:54 <Macer> thank you so much robbiethe1st
Nov 10 07:21:55 <Macer> lol
Nov 10 07:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon_: busybox ls -Q fixed but still 4.2008.30-2
Nov 10 07:42:02 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/09/aussie_retailers_selling_samsung_galaxy_tab/ <-- heh
Nov 10 07:44:46 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/barnes_noble_complain_doj/ <-- heh
Nov 10 07:57:09 <Macer> damnit
Nov 10 07:57:13 <Macer> i was trying to duck using wifi
Nov 10 07:57:21 <Macer> but i can't seem to get the bluetooth dun working :(
Nov 10 07:57:48 <Macer> ah well.. maybe i will give it another try later on. hopefully this wifi doesn't murder the battery too bad. last time i used it... it was eating up battery fster than the N900 could charge.
Nov 10 08:16:23 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: I think kernel power is broken because I a) at least feel like I've seen more application crashes B) consistently see a bug where the N900 will only boot 1 out of 4 times if USB is connected and 3) applications protocols kept stop working randomly.
Nov 10 08:18:37 <jonwil> bah, I need to find someone who knows something about Gecko internals :(
Nov 10 08:19:21 * jonwil suspects irc.mozilla.org is the best place to find such a person
Nov 10 08:19:29 <jonwil> or the mozilla mailing lists
Nov 10 08:19:42 <Macer> try fidonet
Nov 10 08:19:44 <LaoLang_cool> hello, maemoers!
Nov 10 08:19:45 * Macer grins
Nov 10 08:20:15 <LaoLang_cool> Curious if the maemo development is still going on
Nov 10 08:20:27 <Macer> lol
Nov 10 08:20:41 <Macer> LaoLang_cool: go to #maemo-ssu ... those guys do stuff
Nov 10 08:20:59 <Macer> they're buzy bees doing things for us leeches to consume
Nov 10 08:21:19 <LaoLang_cool> ssu, aha!
Nov 10 08:21:25 <LaoLang_cool> community pr
Nov 10 08:21:45 <Macer> yeah.. they're doin a bang up job
Nov 10 08:21:55 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: about the weechat I compiled you, it should have perl and python support
Nov 10 08:21:57 <Macer> get to have cool things ie a portrait home screen/desktop
Nov 10 08:22:10 <merlin1991> you might need to install some packages though
Nov 10 08:31:04 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: oh, I will have a try again
Nov 10 08:31:39 <LaoLang_cool> Will check if it's on extra-devel repo, I've reflashed my n900 so everything has gone
Nov 10 08:32:16 <merlin1991> I didn't upload it to extras-devel
Nov 10 08:53:46 * jonwil doubts there is anyone out there who truly understands the internals of the beast called Gecko...
Nov 10 08:55:32 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: oh, will install it from pkg file
Nov 10 09:06:31 <cityLights> ~seen DocScrutinizer
Nov 10 09:06:39 <infobot> docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (21h 26m 23s) #n9 (21h 26m 23s) #harmattan (21h 26m 23s) #meego (21h 26m 23s) #openmoko (21h 26m 23s) #infobot (21h 26m 23s) #openmoko-cdevel (21h 26m 23s). Has said a total of 262 messages. Is idling for 35m 39s, last said: 'whatever LEAP is'.
Nov 10 09:20:48 <LaoLang_cool> does xterm support visualbeep ?
Nov 10 09:52:32 <FireFly> Hi. I accidentally screwed up and get the "dots progress bar" forever on boot. I think this is because of a single file. Is there any way I can modify the filesystem without having to (properly) boot the N900?
Nov 10 09:55:22 <FireFly> (I was trying to setup a dotfiles syncing system, and I think I accidentally copied my desktop .xinitrc to /home/user on the N900.. not the most clever thing to do, I suppose :P)
Nov 10 10:16:10 <luke-jr> FireFly: there's a rescue kernel image somewhere you can boot
Nov 10 10:18:11 <FireFly> Thanks, I'll give it a try
Nov 10 10:34:57 <FireFly> luke-jr, I can't seem to be able to write special characters (requirin fn/altgr) though.. and in this case the problematic file lies in /home, so it's not mounted by default by the rescue kernel
Nov 10 10:35:14 <FireFly> requiring*
Nov 10 10:42:22 <FireFly> All right, looks like .xinitrc wasn't the problem.. hm
Nov 10 10:45:16 <mece> jonwil, you have a thread dedicated to you: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79852
Nov 10 10:51:56 <jonwil> yep, I saw
Nov 10 10:53:02 <jonwil> I have no idea how easy it will be to clone the vkb widget code
Nov 10 10:53:25 <asmundg> Khweeteur 0.5.27 seems to stop fetching updates from twitter after a while, requiring a restart of the program to get it working again. Has anyone seen that?
Nov 10 11:05:55 <cityLights> back from lunch
Nov 10 11:43:13 <jonwil> I think I found the answer for my Google Transit problem. There is a display of a "M" logo at a railway station on Nokia Maps. If I find the png file for that "M" logo, I can find out where its drawn
Nov 10 11:43:31 <jonwil> And from there figure out this stuff works
Nov 10 11:53:38 <totalizator> hi guys, do you know if I can replace the plastic keyboard border in n900 without disassembling the device?
Nov 10 11:54:17 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer ^
Nov 10 11:54:44 <SpeedEvil> At the very least, you don't need to dissasemble the screen - I'm unsure of the rest.
Nov 10 11:57:20 <SpeedEvil> Also
Nov 10 11:57:31 <SpeedEvil> HAve you read the l1/l2 repair manual
Nov 10 12:00:43 <totalizator> SpeedEvil: that's a relief; the manual? 
Nov 10 12:01:26 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 10 12:01:28 <markinfo> hallo. How should be encoded Video to be optimaly played on Nokia n900?
Nov 10 12:01:39 <SpeedEvil> There is a page on the wiki
Nov 10 12:04:02 <SpeedEvil> I use mplayers default 'avi' encoding.
Nov 10 12:04:11 <SpeedEvil> This is very, very far from optimal, but works for me.
Nov 10 12:04:27 <markinfo> avi is container - or?
Nov 10 12:04:44 <SpeedEvil> avi is container, but mplayer has a default it picks if you dn't specify anything
Nov 10 12:05:03 <markinfo> i will lok on wiki - tehere is probably some hardware acceleration for some specific codec.
Nov 10 12:05:09 <SpeedEvil> There is.
Nov 10 12:05:51 <totalizator> SpeedEvil: thx, got it but nothing there, just a complete disassembly guide
Nov 10 12:06:30 <SpeedEvil> totalizator: err - yes. You read the guide, and work out at what point you can stop, in order to get the keyboard out.
Nov 10 12:06:40 <SpeedEvil> And what steps you can omit.
Nov 10 12:06:57 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer has replaced his keyboard - he may not be around right now though.
Nov 10 12:10:09 <totalizator> SpeedEvil: but I want to replace just the plastic cover
Nov 10 12:10:58 <SpeedEvil> the keyboard is held in by the bezel IIRC - so removing one is removing the other
Nov 10 12:13:42 <totalizator> SpeedEvil: ok, thx; I'll just try to find someone who has already did this
Nov 10 12:40:58 <jonwil> whats wrong with your keyboard bezel?
Nov 10 12:44:22 <LaoLang_cool> hello!
Nov 10 12:44:55 <LaoLang_cool> I want to copy string into clipboard in vim, how to do that? I don't want to click xterm menu and copy, too slow
Nov 10 12:48:41 <Macer> ctrl c
Nov 10 12:48:50 <Macer> ctrl v
Nov 10 12:49:40 <LaoLang_cool> Macer: in vim, ctrl-c is to cancel, ctrl-v is visual selection.
Nov 10 12:54:21 <Macer> ctrl on the qwerty?
Nov 10 12:54:38 <Macer> oh
Nov 10 12:55:04 <Macer> then there isnt much of an alternative since vim is mapped that way
Nov 10 12:55:12 <Macer> change the mappings in vim :)
Nov 10 12:57:25 <SpeedEvil> screen, too.
Nov 10 12:57:40 <Macer> whats wrong with screen?
Nov 10 12:57:49 <SpeedEvil> You can copy/'paste with it
Nov 10 12:57:52 <Macer> does screen use ctrl v or c? :)
Nov 10 12:57:55 <Macer> oh
Nov 10 12:58:19 <Macer> yeah but that is using screen.. would screen allow for using the stylus as a selection?
Nov 10 12:58:30 <SpeedEvil> Probably not.
Nov 10 12:59:33 <LaoLang_cool> SpeedEvil: screen can't copy the string into system clipboard too
Nov 10 12:59:54 <LaoLang_cool> I want to exchange contents between vim and system
Nov 10 13:00:28 <Macer> cant wait to get this synology disk station i ordered
Nov 10 13:02:30 <SpeedEvil> LaoLang_cool: True.
Nov 10 13:03:19 <LaoLang_cool> SpeedEvil: click xterm's menu then select copy is too slow, can I configure it to pop up in more speedy
Nov 10 13:03:31 <Macer> i am sure you can remap vim tho
Nov 10 13:03:51 <LaoLang_cool> click menu then I need to wait at most 0.5 second
Nov 10 13:04:21 <LaoLang_cool> Macer: remap is no problem, just don't know how to make the selection go into system's clipboard
Nov 10 13:04:46 <LaoLang_cool> 0.7 second I think :) too long to wait
Nov 10 13:05:22 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: hi, I think weechat can be uploaded to the repo, any reason not to do it??
Nov 10 13:06:34 <vdv> i click on program icon in the app list to launch it, but it's only higlighted and program is not executed (i check process list remotely via ssh). what can be reason for that? if i run app from terminal it starts normally
Nov 10 13:07:02 <vdv> program is the latest version of qstardict
Nov 10 13:07:08 <vdv> 1.0
Nov 10 13:08:42 <vdv> i've built and created deb package myself, seems i've did something wrong...
Nov 10 13:13:41 <Macer> remap vim
Nov 10 13:13:51 <Macer> use clipboard ctrl x c v 
Nov 10 13:13:53 <Macer> well
Nov 10 13:13:56 <Macer> c and v
Nov 10 13:14:03 <Macer> i am guessing you cant cut
Nov 10 13:14:04 <Macer> or
Nov 10 13:14:10 <Macer> use a non xterm editor
Nov 10 13:14:12 <Macer> :)
Nov 10 13:16:36 <LaoLang_cool> Macer: ctrl x c v doesn't equal to cut/copy/paste at all
Nov 10 13:17:02 <LaoLang_cool> and the string cut/copied/pasted doesn't go into system's clipboard
Nov 10 13:17:25 <LaoLang_cool> They are managed by vim
Nov 10 13:18:20 <LaoLang_cool> remap isn't an issue, the issue is how to make the selection in vim go into system's clipboard without using the copy functio provided by vim
Nov 10 13:18:59 <SpeedEvil> You're gonna need to add it to vim, I think.
Nov 10 13:19:22 <SpeedEvil> Presumably, there is some wayfor an app to dump as tring to the system clipboard.
Nov 10 13:20:06 <LaoLang_cool> SpeedEvil: you mean that these is no way to do it at present?
Nov 10 13:20:29 <SpeedEvil> It seems unlikely.
Nov 10 13:20:40 <SpeedEvil> Assuming vim is simply a compiled 'normal' vim.
Nov 10 13:20:46 <LaoLang_cool> Or any tools that can be piped strings to it and make it go into clipboard?
Nov 10 13:20:52 <SpeedEvil> Then it will have basically been designed to run on a terminal.
Nov 10 13:21:07 <Corsac> xclip
Nov 10 13:21:15 <SpeedEvil> There is no general clipboard on most terminals, so it's unlikely to support it. yeah.
Nov 10 13:21:19 <SpeedEvil> That's possible.
Nov 10 13:21:26 <LaoLang_cool> Corsac: xclip support the system clipboard? nice, I'll try
Nov 10 13:21:38 <Corsac> I don't know what “system clipboard” is
Nov 10 13:21:41 <SpeedEvil> If you can tell vim to spit the string to xclip, or something.
Nov 10 13:21:43 <Corsac> xclip is for X clipboard
Nov 10 13:21:58 <Corsac> note that when vim is compiled with X support, it'll happily paste to the X buffer
Nov 10 13:22:07 <LaoLang_cool> SpeedEvil: I'm curious why vim on n900 has compiled the feature to support xclipboard
Nov 10 13:22:16 <SpeedEvil> hm
Nov 10 13:22:23 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I forgot all about xvim
Nov 10 13:22:26 <LaoLang_cool> Corsac: see my post :) vim has compiled the feauture
Nov 10 13:22:27 <SpeedEvil> please ignore the last
Nov 10 13:22:50 <LaoLang_cool> I think n900 isn't use xorg, so it doesn't work
Nov 10 13:23:02 <LaoLang_cool> So I'm curious if xclip would work too
Nov 10 13:23:05 <LaoLang_cool> will try it
Nov 10 13:23:08 <Corsac> hmhm, now after removing the account and rebooting, it's meegotouchhome and commhistoryd which fight for the cpu
Nov 10 13:23:11 * Corsac cries
Nov 10 13:24:17 <SpeedEvil> This is n950?
Nov 10 13:25:23 <LaoLang_cool> seems I can't find xclip vi apt-get...
Nov 10 13:26:32 <LaoLang_cool> I'm curious that why vim on n900 doesn't compiled the feature 'autochdir'
Nov 10 13:27:16 <Corsac> SpeedEvil: N9
Nov 10 13:34:49 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Nov 10 13:40:20 <markinfo> is someone using Avidemux? On http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding  is written "et the video codec: "MPEG-4 AVC", click the "configure" button underneath it and choose the downloaded "Configuration".    But how to do "choose the downloaded "Configuration"" ?
Nov 10 15:04:42 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: my reason not to upload to the repo was that it isn't a properly packaged package, it was jsut quick and dirty to get it done
Nov 10 15:04:56 <merlin1991> The voting of the Maemo Community / MeeGo Coding Competition 2011 is now open, and you have received this email as you are eligible to vote. wtf?
Nov 10 15:05:19 <SpeedEvil> wtf?
Nov 10 15:05:30 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: I have perl python installed on maemo, but weechat doesn't work with them(i.e., no plugin supported)
Nov 10 15:05:56 <merlin1991> strange
Nov 10 15:06:19 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: what is proper way? Anyway it' works.
Nov 10 15:06:53 <merlin1991> for example have the plugins work properly ;)
Nov 10 15:06:56 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: i'm on n900 now! :) Thank you!
Nov 10 15:07:37 <merlin1991> SpeedEvil: I kinda missed that whole coding competition, and I have nfc why I'm eligible to vote
Nov 10 15:08:45 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: At least it can work, extra-devel means it still on devel stage, so it's acceptable
Nov 10 15:09:08 <LaoLang_cool> from my view ;p
Nov 10 15:09:35 <merlin1991> oh one just has to be registered on maemo.org for more than 4th to get that mail
Nov 10 15:09:37 <merlin1991> interesting
Nov 10 15:12:00 <LaoLang_cool> time to bed, see you!
Nov 10 15:48:33 <minttux> hi
Nov 10 15:49:16 <minttux>  
Nov 10 15:49:32 <minttux>  
Nov 10 15:51:05 <minttux> is it possible to run command on debian chroot from maemo terminal?
Nov 10 15:51:32 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Nov 10 15:51:54 <SpeedEvil> cd /where/ever
Nov 10 15:51:58 <SpeedEvil> chroot . bash
Nov 10 15:52:40 <SpeedEvil> If you mean X commands, it's going to be more interesting, as you're gonna need to peroperly set the xommand to the fake X server.
Nov 10 15:52:41 <minttux> for example i would like run mysql but it installed in debian.but i want to run it from maemo x-terminal
Nov 10 15:53:28 <SpeedEvil> 'sqlite3' won't work?
Nov 10 15:53:43 <minttux> i need php-cli 
Nov 10 15:54:05 <SpeedEvil> You may be able to run more, if you add the libraries at teh end of /etc/ld.so.conf - and then add the easy-debian dirs to your path
Nov 10 15:55:01 <SpeedEvil> Err - LD_LIBRARY_PATH is probably more sane than so.conf
Nov 10 15:55:01 <rly> I recently setup USB over ethernet, but after a reboot it apparently doesn't work anymore.
Nov 10 15:55:16 <rly> Is the order in which setup the different parts of interest?
Nov 10 15:55:36 <minttux> what do you mean by easy-debian dirs?  for example path of php-cli in debian?
Nov 10 15:55:44 <rly> E.g. do ifconfig on the host first and only later do the PC suite connection, etc.?
Nov 10 15:56:02 <SpeedEvil> minttux: easy-debian mounts its own filesystem somewhere.
Nov 10 15:56:09 <SpeedEvil> That is not on the normal path
Nov 10 16:05:23 <rly> My ifconfig on the host shows the following for the usb connection: Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 1B-30-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
Nov 10 16:05:38 <rly> How do I make it show a correct value there?
Nov 10 16:07:25 <rly> Never mind.
Nov 10 16:08:09 <SpeedEvil> ifconfig...
Nov 10 16:19:32 <HaXeri> would there be any ease way to make my N900 turn to silent mode (profile) when it discovers a certain wlan network
Nov 10 16:23:08 <NIN101> dbus + /etc/network/if-up.d/
Nov 10 16:25:21 <rly> How can I automatically execute ifconfig <device> up when I insert hte n900?
Nov 10 16:25:27 <rly> the*
Nov 10 16:25:31 <rly> (on Debian)
Nov 10 16:26:07 <rly> I am already using SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0421", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01c8", ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Nokia", ATTRS{product}=="N900 (PC-Suite Mode)", NAME="n900"
Nov 10 16:26:26 <rly> But that isn't really responsible for that.
Nov 10 16:26:40 <rly> The allow-hotplug doesn't automatically 'up' the interface.
Nov 10 16:26:47 <rly> No idea as to why.
Nov 10 16:36:15 <NIN101> HaXeri: Do you mean when it connects? 
Nov 10 16:36:29 <NIN101> to a wlan network. 
Nov 10 16:36:51 <HaXeri> no
Nov 10 16:37:02 <ZogG_N9> hey
Nov 10 16:37:12 <HaXeri> when i go to schoolbuilding i never remember to turn it silent
Nov 10 16:40:39 <NIN101> well then I am not aware of an easy way.
Nov 10 16:40:58 <NIN101> besides scaning the in intervals via iwconfig, but this drains the battery. 
Nov 10 16:41:51 <NIN101> s/iwconfig/iwlist/
Nov 10 16:41:52 <infobot> NIN101 meant: besides scaning the in intervals via iwlist, but this drains the battery. 
Nov 10 16:57:22 <DocScrutinizer> totalizator: to swap keymat you just need to remove the 2 torx screws and the frame around kbd comes off
Nov 10 16:58:42 <AndrewX192> How well does the N9 terminal emulator work? Is it anything in comparison to X-Terminal on the Nokia N900?
Nov 10 17:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> totalizator: loosing the philips screws a lil bit may help, as you can "bend" away the screen slide then by 0.5mm
Nov 10 17:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> totalizator: took me like 10 min to swap the keymat and re-insert the frame to the hooks at "upper" end, but I didn't unscrew anything completely except the 2 torx under the frame
Nov 10 18:57:08 <neal> DocScrutinizer: I can't find any info about replacing the clock battery, but I think you've posted something.  DO you have some keywords I can use to search?  Thanks.
Nov 10 18:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> err, lemme try to find sth for you
Nov 10 18:58:41 <neal> thanks
Nov 10 19:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> neal: http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R
Nov 10 19:01:30 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf
Nov 10 19:01:51 <DocScrutinizer> the last one might be a search term to spot convo logs
Nov 10 19:01:59 <neal> thanks!
Nov 10 19:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf
Nov 10 19:04:08 <neal> second question: since one of my n900s no longer charges although the usb port has not fallen out, do you think that the usb port's legs are broken?
Nov 10 19:04:17 <neal> and if so, do you think a repair shop has a chance of fixing it?
Nov 10 19:06:39 <neal> ouch! Es fällt eine Pauschale (Verpackung, Verzollung, Versand) von €20,00 einmalig pro Auftrag an
Nov 10 19:07:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-01.log.html#t2011-03-01T15:27:43
Nov 10 19:08:15 <SpeedEvil> neal: First try another cable
Nov 10 19:08:43 <neal> I did
Nov 10 19:08:46 <neal> I tried a couple
Nov 10 19:09:02 <neal> and the calbe works (I charged a different n900 using it)
Nov 10 19:09:14 <SpeedEvil> K
Nov 10 19:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> neal: (2nd Q) yes, and yes
Nov 10 19:11:07 <DocScrutinizer> neal: 
Nov 10 19:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Nov 10 19:11:11 <infobot> usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Nov 10 19:15:05 <DocScrutinizer> neal: (20€) I'd buy 5 cells at 2.50€ each from you ;-D
Nov 10 19:17:45 <DocScrutinizer> or 10 @ 1.80€
Nov 10 19:23:33 <DocScrutinizer> dang, #meego still got 31 users more than #maemo
Nov 10 19:23:42 <x29a> soon
Nov 10 19:24:11 <neal> DocScrutinizer: I'll likely buy them.
Nov 10 19:24:22 <neal> DocScrutinizer: Do you know anyone else who is interested?
Nov 10 19:24:44 <merlin1991> neal: what are you ordering?
Nov 10 19:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> given my bookmark was IL.farnell.com I think either moh or ZogG  or dunno somebody else over there asked me
Nov 10 19:25:29 <neal> merlin1991: Replacement capacitor for the n900
Nov 10 19:25:37 <merlin1991> hehe I need that too
Nov 10 19:25:47 <merlin1991> mine's been dead since about a year
Nov 10 19:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> they all die
Nov 10 19:26:24 <DocScrutinizer> as these are not capacitors but LiIon cels that are very poorly manufactured
Nov 10 19:26:48 <DocScrutinizer> I hope for a near infinite life for the replacement I suggested
Nov 10 19:26:57 <DocScrutinizer> it's already tested to work
Nov 10 19:26:59 <neal> the replacement is a capacitor, right?
Nov 10 19:27:48 <DocScrutinizer> will not offer the >1 year standby of a good LiIon bupbat, but then a LiIon seems dead for good after <1year
Nov 10 19:27:54 <DocScrutinizer> neal: yes
Nov 10 19:28:29 <DocScrutinizer> shall power your RTC for > 1 week, with main battery removed
Nov 10 19:28:49 <neal> I guess I can order a bunch.
Nov 10 19:28:52 <neal> merlin1991: does 3 euros sound fair?
Nov 10 19:29:05 <neal> for one
Nov 10 19:29:14 <x29a> for a powercap?
Nov 10 19:29:14 <neal> ~2 euros each plus postage to .at
Nov 10 19:29:16 <x29a> yeah, why not
Nov 10 19:29:26 <merlin1991> sounds fair
Nov 10 19:29:55 <neal> ok
Nov 10 19:30:45 <neal> DocScrutinizer: Have you actually tried this, btw?
Nov 10 19:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> what? ordering? or the cap as replacement?
Nov 10 19:31:23 <neal> using the cap as a replacement
Nov 10 19:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> some users in here did it and said "thank you so much Doc"
Nov 10 19:32:04 <neal> ok
Nov 10 19:32:08 <merlin1991> hm where did that l1/l2 pdf go
Nov 10 19:32:43 <merlin1991> I know I have it *somewhere*
Nov 10 19:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> locate
Nov 10 19:33:27 <neal> of course, the quote was without tax :/
Nov 10 19:33:39 <merlin1991> on a windows box doc :/
Nov 10 19:34:27 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0
Nov 10 19:35:09 <merlin1991> lmao
Nov 10 19:35:12 <merlin1991> guess where I found
Nov 10 19:35:27 <merlin1991> *it*
Nov 10 19:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> C:
Nov 10 19:35:50 <merlin1991> on the n9
Nov 10 19:36:00 <neal> excellent
Nov 10 19:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Nov 10 19:36:15 <neal> Sie sind Privatkunde, möchten aber auf das umfangreiche Produktangebot von Farnell zugreifen? Wenden Sie sich bitte an unseren autorisierten Fachhandelspartner (
Nov 10 19:36:25 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Nov 10 19:36:27 <merlin1991> rofl
Nov 10 19:36:27 <neal> and they don't have the part
Nov 10 19:36:38 <DocScrutinizer> WTF
Nov 10 19:36:54 <x29a> neal: where are you from?
Nov 10 19:36:59 <neal> I'm in germany
Nov 10 19:37:17 <x29a> reichelt.de conrad.de buerklin.de
Nov 10 19:37:21 <neal> x29a: Do I have an accent :-)
Nov 10 19:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> conrad :-x
Nov 10 19:37:45 <neal> I don't like conrad :-)
Nov 10 19:37:53 <x29a> neal: are you by any chance a student? they can order at farnell
Nov 10 19:37:58 <DocScrutinizer> and conrad doesn't have that cap
Nov 10 19:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Nov 10 19:38:30 <neal> reichelt doesn't seem to have it either
Nov 10 19:38:49 <neal> I am a student.  I didn't see that option.
Nov 10 19:39:07 <x29a> neal: they need a proof of your student status, just email them
Nov 10 19:39:37 <neal> do you think they'll let me order so many of one part?
Nov 10 19:39:49 <x29a> yep
Nov 10 19:39:49 <x29a> http://de.farnell.com/jsp/support/support.jsp?formpage=farnell/de/support/help/faq.jsp#GH
Nov 10 19:39:59 <x29a> "Ja, Studenten sind bei der Online-Bestellung willkommen und haben Anspruch auf einen 12%igen Rabatt"
Nov 10 19:40:29 <neal> oh, 12% rebate :)
Nov 10 19:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> neal: farnell doesn't tell me any crap about students only etc
Nov 10 19:49:26 <neal> DocScrutinizer: I was on http://de.farnell.com
Nov 10 19:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> completed step1 of "KAsse" with their standard kundennummer and PIN for new customers
Nov 10 19:49:48 <neal> DocScrutinizer: When I went to check out, I saw the message I cited
Nov 10 19:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> payment "Rechnung"
Nov 10 19:50:30 <neal> DocScrutinizer: I didn't try to go further figuring that they'd reject me or ask for a vat id
Nov 10 19:50:38 <DocScrutinizer> >>Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0<<
Nov 10 19:50:42 <DocScrutinizer> err sorry
Nov 10 19:50:48 <DocScrutinizer> >>Meine Bestellung : 2. Lieferdetails<<
Nov 10 19:51:34 <x29a> docscrutinizer: is the fact that i said that students can order there (and did it already myself) not legitimate enough?
Nov 10 19:51:49 <neal> if you order some, I'll buy 4 from you for 2.50 each :)
Nov 10 19:52:06 <x29a> why are you not ordering?
Nov 10 19:52:15 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not going to proceed on that for now
Nov 10 19:52:15 <neal> because DocScrutinizeris
Nov 10 19:52:21 <neal> :)
Nov 10 19:52:46 <x29a> ok, im obviously missing an important part of the conversation
Nov 10 19:52:51 <x29a> though you were the one ordering stuff
Nov 10 19:53:13 <neal> yeah, but now I need to scan stuff
Nov 10 19:53:18 <neal> = delay
Nov 10 19:53:23 <x29a> omg
Nov 10 19:53:29 <neal> ?
Nov 10 19:53:42 <DocScrutinizer> https://de.farnell.com/jsp/checkout/shipping.jsp?clear=true&_requestid=XXXXXXXXXXXX
Nov 10 19:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> haven't seen *any* rant about "we won't sell to you"
Nov 10 19:54:26 <neal> now I want the 12% discount too :)
Nov 10 19:54:33 <x29a> docscrutinizer: continue to buy, they will email you, that only students and companies can order there
Nov 10 19:54:45 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 10 19:55:01 <x29a> docscrutinizer: and it says "sie sind privatkunde..." at the bottom of the page you linked
Nov 10 19:55:23 <DocScrutinizer> I *am* a company, so how would they pester me with such BS?
Nov 10 19:55:36 <x29a> then there is no problem ordering
Nov 10 19:55:39 <x29a> whats your point?
Nov 10 19:58:52 <neal> I still need 3 more people to review my packages for Woodchuck: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1118751&postcount=4 , thanks.
Nov 10 20:04:05 <DocScrutinizer> email from farnell-> >> Sie haben Ihr persönliches Webkonto auf www.farnell.de erfolgreich eröffnet und haben jetzt Zugriff auf das führende Angebot im Bereich Halbleiter, Passive, Automatisierungstechnik, Instandhaltung und Werkstattbedarf. Der Benutzername Ihres Webkontos lautet: ...<<
Nov 10 20:04:31 <x29a> gz
Nov 10 20:04:47 <DocScrutinizer> neal, I can't see why you couldn't order at farnell
Nov 10 20:05:51 <x29a> docscrutinizer: if you order as a private person, they will reject your order once you place it and tell you to use their distributor
Nov 10 20:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> that's insane
Nov 10 20:06:08 <x29a> only company accounts (with valid vat numbers and stuff) or students can order there
Nov 10 20:06:32 <x29a> works for them, obviously. its a bit shady, agreed
Nov 10 20:07:31 <DocScrutinizer> and btw I had no chance to even enter my valid VAT number naywhere
Nov 10 20:08:26 <x29a> i never registered as a company, the support will help you though
Nov 10 20:08:29 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: when you create account they ask for that stuff
Nov 10 20:08:41 <DocScrutinizer> no, they didn't
Nov 10 20:08:47 <jacekowski> what are you buying?
Nov 10 20:08:48 <DocScrutinizer> I'm already registered
Nov 10 20:08:57 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 10 20:09:07 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, I have no time for that now
Nov 10 20:09:16 <jacekowski> iirc you have to do it on paper if you are company
Nov 10 20:09:26 <jacekowski> and then you get credit with them and whatnot
Nov 10 20:20:18 <n900backer> is it possible conversation notify us when someone gets online?
Nov 10 20:25:16 <DocScrutinizer> n900backer: maybe dbus-monitor would reveal sth. I don't think there's a function to do that ootb
Nov 10 20:25:40 <n900backer> DocScrutinizer:tnx
Nov 10 20:27:04 <DocScrutinizer> dbus scripting would do the trick if you can find a dbus msg that tells about online status of a contact changed
Nov 10 20:27:53 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I can't do that as I have *no* contacts that change their status
Nov 10 20:53:21 <merlin1991> anyone wanna play guinea pig for cssu stable?
Nov 10 20:53:58 <neal> over the weekend, I'll likely have time
Nov 10 20:54:02 <neal> what needs to be checked?
Nov 10 20:54:49 <merlin1991> technically it should just work (tm), but we wan't to check it running on a few devices before we push it into the repos
Nov 10 20:55:13 <neal> ok
Nov 10 20:55:25 <Sicelo> how much data  will this involve?
Nov 10 20:56:22 <merlin1991> ~30 mb
Nov 10 20:57:36 <Sicelo> tomorrow then (not enough bandwidth here atm) 
Nov 10 20:57:55 <Sicelo> i guess i'll have to disable devel repo
Nov 10 20:58:15 <merlin1991> devel as in extras-devel or cssu-testing?
Nov 10 20:59:11 <Sicelo> extras-devel
Nov 10 21:00:10 <merlin1991> no problem with that
Nov 10 21:00:24 <merlin1991> only thing that doesn't work is going from cssu-testing to cssu-stable
Nov 10 21:00:54 <Sicelo> i'm jst on pr1.3.1, with pk47
Nov 10 21:01:10 <Sicelo> s/js/jus/
Nov 10 21:01:10 <infobot> Sicelo meant: i'm just on pr1.3.1, with pk47
Nov 10 21:01:37 <merlin1991> should work just fine (and I hope after you tested we can say it indeed works fine :D)
Nov 10 21:02:09 <Sicelo> np. i've been wanting to go cssu route since a week ago
Nov 10 21:02:12 <merlin1991> so far it only runs on my n900 so I don't want to generalise yet
Nov 10 21:04:20 <merlin1991> btw anybody who wants to peak what's going to come with stable: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable
Nov 10 21:06:04 <Sicelo> i must remember to remove modified-hildon-desktop too :/
Nov 10 21:06:26 <merlin1991> yes that is important
Nov 10 21:07:08 <merlin1991> when cssu started we had an average of 3 cases with cssu + modified-h-d --> endless updates with no results
Nov 10 21:07:19 <merlin1991> *average per day*
Nov 10 21:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> neal: check camera and modest
Nov 10 21:07:40 <neal> DocScrutinizer: ?
Nov 10 21:07:47 <DocScrutinizer> in Stable
Nov 10 21:07:48 <Sicelo> in cssu i will be able to do that ctrl-bkspc thing on DocScrutinizer's tools page?
Nov 10 21:07:56 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 10 21:08:04 <neal> oh, now I understand what you mean
Nov 10 21:08:10 <neal> sorry
Nov 10 21:08:12 <neal> will do
Nov 10 21:08:38 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: camera and modest are not touched by stable
Nov 10 21:08:48 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: exactly
Nov 10 21:08:56 <DocScrutinizer> that's what needs check
Nov 10 21:09:22 <merlin1991> ah yeah, true
Nov 10 21:09:52 <DocScrutinizer> as that's "all new" in S
Nov 10 21:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> news is there's no news now ;-D
Nov 10 21:11:06 <Sicelo> btw, what is hildon-home?
Nov 10 21:11:12 <DocScrutinizer> for the occasional listener: Stable has no improvements to camera and modest/mail as they are not considered stable yet
Nov 10 21:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> so that's sth you won't get on S but Testing has those patches resp a whole new camera-ui
Nov 10 21:12:27 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: it will come, eventually ;)
Nov 10 21:12:35 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 10 21:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> not considered stable *yet*
Nov 10 21:13:13 <neal> DocScrutinizer: What's your take on gta04?
Nov 10 21:13:47 <DocScrutinizer> so CSSU-S needs testing for the kicking out of those cam/modest stuff didn't break anything
Nov 10 21:13:51 <merlin1991> Sicelo: hildon-desktop and hildon-home build the desktop together
Nov 10 21:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> neal: :shrug:
Nov 10 21:14:32 <merlin1991> aiui home does the "desktop" rendering while desktop is the manager for all windows
Nov 10 21:15:30 <DocScrutinizer> neal: on GTA01/02 we did PV runs with a number of devices > the number of GTA04 available to order
Nov 10 21:15:46 <Sicelo> thanks for explanation. :)
Nov 10 21:15:48 <DocScrutinizer> so basically you order a prototype
Nov 10 21:16:01 <MrOpposite> Hello
Nov 10 21:16:10 <MrOpposite> I got some problems with my n900
Nov 10 21:16:16 <neal> DocScrutinizer: So, doomed to failure?
Nov 10 21:16:16 <MrOpposite> After I installed MyMenu
Nov 10 21:16:33 <MrOpposite> Uhm
Nov 10 21:16:35 <DocScrutinizer> from history and empiric yes
Nov 10 21:16:43 <MrOpposite> Not installed
Nov 10 21:16:45 <MrOpposite> TRIED to install
Nov 10 21:16:48 <MrOpposite> the installation failed
Nov 10 21:16:54 <MrOpposite> so I removed mymenu
Nov 10 21:17:08 <MrOpposite> and then all my applications went away from the menu
Nov 10 21:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Nov 10 21:17:22 <MrOpposite> There's more
Nov 10 21:17:30 <MrOpposite> if I create a shortcut to the application on my desktop
Nov 10 21:17:37 <merlin1991> anything left in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ ?
Nov 10 21:17:37 <MrOpposite> the shortcut doesn't do anything
Nov 10 21:17:44 <MrOpposite> I don't know
Nov 10 21:17:48 <MrOpposite> Maybe SSH still work
Nov 10 21:18:04 <merlin1991> ctrl+shift+x for a console should work
Nov 10 21:18:17 <MrOpposite> Oh
Nov 10 21:18:22 <MrOpposite> I didn't know that
Nov 10 21:18:24 <MrOpposite> thanks
Nov 10 21:18:25 <MrOpposite> Now
Nov 10 21:18:37 <rly> I got my auto connect on plugin of phone to work. :)
Nov 10 21:18:42 <MrOpposite> yea
Nov 10 21:18:47 <MrOpposite> Right
Nov 10 21:18:50 <MrOpposite> I was inaccurate
Nov 10 21:18:54 <MrOpposite> SOME applications are left
Nov 10 21:18:59 <MrOpposite> although most are gone
Nov 10 21:19:42 <MrOpposite> Calculator, Clock, Settings, OVI store, Maps, Camera, Media player, E-mail, Photos, Calendar, Contacts, Conversations, Phone and web is still there
Nov 10 21:19:45 <MrOpposite> the rest is gone
Nov 10 21:19:56 <MrOpposite> like xchat, xterm tweego
Nov 10 21:19:57 <MrOpposite> etc.
Nov 10 21:20:04 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart mymenu
Nov 10 21:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> ibot???
Nov 10 21:20:05 * infobot overclocks mymenu until mymenu burns out
Nov 10 21:20:19 <rly> DocScrutinizer: do you also use Eth over USB?
Nov 10 21:20:30 <MrOpposite> altho all applications .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications/hildon
Nov 10 21:20:56 <MrOpposite> I've tried both restarting the phone and hildon-desktop
Nov 10 21:21:29 <DocScrutinizer> umm
Nov 10 21:21:37 <MrOpposite> Is the solution a reflash, or can I save it somehow?
Nov 10 21:21:48 <merlin1991> MrOpposite: did you install from devel or from testing?
Nov 10 21:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> mymenu has messed up your hd strucrue/settings
Nov 10 21:22:01 <MrOpposite> testing
Nov 10 21:22:44 * merlin1991 inspects mymenu code to make an educated guess where everything went
Nov 10 21:23:00 <merlin1991> MrOpposite: as long as you have a terminal you should be able to fix that without a reflash
Nov 10 21:23:15 <MrOpposite> Yea, that's what I thought
Nov 10 21:23:21 <MrOpposite> altho I don't know how
Nov 10 21:23:27 <MrOpposite> I am experienced with the terminal in general
Nov 10 21:23:33 <MrOpposite> just not on the maemo OS
Nov 10 21:23:43 <MrOpposite> hey look
Nov 10 21:23:49 <MrOpposite> I tired installing mymenu again
Nov 10 21:23:52 <MrOpposite> and it seemed to work
Nov 10 21:24:18 <MrOpposite> I was gonna try that when the installation failed last time
Nov 10 21:24:31 <MrOpposite> altho I didn't have application manager nor the terminal
Nov 10 21:24:34 <MrOpposite> to try it...
Nov 10 21:24:48 <MrOpposite> Anyway thanks for solving my problem :D
Nov 10 21:24:54 <merlin1991> huh mymenu in testing has a carma of minus 8
Nov 10 21:25:13 <merlin1991> first comment: After installing this application my menu is baisicly empty. The only applications remaining a the default ones (excluding xterm, application manager, pdf viewer). Shortcuts on the homescreen don't work unless they exist in the menu. Uninstalling the package does not fix this.
Nov 10 21:25:52 <MrOpposite> oh
Nov 10 21:25:59 <MrOpposite> Maaaybe I should have read that
Nov 10 21:26:57 <DocScrutinizer> see e.g ~user/.local/share/applications/hildon
Nov 10 21:28:09 <MrOpposite> DocScrutinizer that directory is empty on my device
Nov 10 21:28:30 <DocScrutinizer> there's a number of ways mymenu might have messed up hd settings
Nov 10 21:34:19 <DocScrutinizer> MrOpposite: also check what's in /usr/share/applications
Nov 10 21:35:28 <merlin1991> hm karma on maemo.org is weird
Nov 10 21:35:42 <MrOpposite> uhm
Nov 10 21:36:30 <merlin1991> I have eactly 4 thanks in the talk forums, but karma sais I've got 16 points karma from thanks on tmo
Nov 10 21:36:45 <MrOpposite> cumulus defaults.list hildon hidlon-control-panel hildon-home hildon-notification hildon-status-menu image-viewer mimeinfo.cache python2.5.desktop shemeinfo.cache uri-action-defaults.list
Nov 10 21:36:58 <MrOpposite> Maybe I should have commaseparated the list?
Nov 10 21:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: somewhere there's a link on that page to a wikipage explaining how those values get calculated
Nov 10 21:38:09 <DocScrutinizer> MrOpposite: looks sane
Nov 10 21:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> mostly
Nov 10 21:38:17 <merlin1991> Itt_thanks, thanks for TMO posts: 8 * sqrt(# thanks)  well it's correct but still weird
Nov 10 21:38:26 <Macer> http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/10/nokia-n900-battery-drop/
Nov 10 21:38:50 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: ???
Nov 10 21:39:33 <Macer> that's what i said :)
Nov 10 21:39:35 <Macer> lol
Nov 10 21:39:43 <Macer> then it stayed at 0.4 for like an hour
Nov 10 21:39:54 <DocScrutinizer> so what's the use of posting random unrelated URLs here?
Nov 10 21:39:54 <Macer> with the red light blinking
Nov 10 21:40:07 <Macer> uhm......
Nov 10 21:40:18 <Macer> unrelated to........ maemo?
Nov 10 21:40:33 <DocScrutinizer> unrelated to anything
Nov 10 21:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> what am I supposed to do with that?
Nov 10 21:41:10 <MrOpposite> be nice to eachother... It was infact an image of the battery acting weird and I found it amuzing.
Nov 10 21:41:13 <DocScrutinizer> click on it to get a virus?
Nov 10 21:41:15 <merlin1991> lulz and live one?
Nov 10 21:41:29 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: http://tech.rancorous.net/media/2011/11/wpid-WTF.png
Nov 10 21:41:35 <Macer> :) cmon DocScrutinizer .. the graph doesn't give you a giggle?
Nov 10 21:41:42 <merlin1991> if you're to scared of the page ;)
Nov 10 21:41:44 <Macer> heartless 
Nov 10 21:42:11 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not even pondering to click random unrelated URLs to find out why the F*CK the OP posted them here
Nov 10 21:42:53 <DocScrutinizer> it's just triggering the spam alarm here
Nov 10 21:43:48 <MrOpposite> Well he could have added a comment about the link...
Nov 10 21:43:54 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 10 21:44:20 <corecode> hi
Nov 10 21:44:26 <MrOpposite> Hi
Nov 10 21:44:38 <corecode> any idea how i can easily build a .dsc?
Nov 10 21:44:56 <corecode> i'm trying to see if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 is the bug i'm experiencing
Nov 10 21:44:58 <povbot> 04Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls
Nov 10 21:45:38 <Macer> spam alarm?
Nov 10 21:45:48 <Macer> seriously?
Nov 10 21:46:29 <Macer> ooookay. well ... obviously have had bad experiences with web pages :) sorry. i thought it was related to maemo but to each their own. 
Nov 10 21:47:20 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: if you thought it was related to maemo then you might have explained that and suggested what to do with that URL
Nov 10 21:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> this is not a better google page where URLs pop up to give users sth to click on as they dun't know what to do with their time
Nov 10 21:49:14 <DocScrutinizer> on other channels posting of URLs is completely forbidden, or at least may earn you a kickban when done in an uncommented unsolicited way like you did
Nov 10 21:50:27 <rly> Is there some way to autokill browserd when it is stuck in some infinite loop?
Nov 10 21:51:00 <rly> Or better: can't someone fix browserd?
Nov 10 21:51:30 <rly> Can one replace browserd in some way?
Nov 10 21:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: if you'd have added "a funny graph of battery voltage: <URL>" then users can decide what to do. Either click the URL or think "meh" and ignore it. Just posting the URL is not helpful
Nov 10 21:52:59 <merlin1991> rly: one can replace *anything* as long as one has a valid replacement
Nov 10 21:53:11 <Sicelo> i think jonwil has made it possible rly, but i wonder if there's something wrong with your N900. I don't get too many problems with browserd
Nov 10 21:53:25 <rly> merlin1991: so, browserd is open-source?
Nov 10 21:53:45 <ShadowJK> Updated "internal resistance" and "shutdown margin" graphs with my original BL-5J battery at 230 cycles (First measurement done at 160 cycles). http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png (yellow and blue). Also the margin: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/margin.png
Nov 10 21:53:47 <rly> Is it really open-source in that there is a program which enables you to actually replace it easily?
Nov 10 21:54:01 <merlin1991> nope
Nov 10 21:54:07 <rly> Sicelo: everythign appears to function fine.
Nov 10 21:54:36 <rly> Sicelo: it is just a software problem, I think, as everything else is wroking.
Nov 10 21:54:39 <rly> working*
Nov 10 21:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> rly killall browserd
Nov 10 21:55:02 <merlin1991> achipa: did you commit libtelepathy-qt4 (0.7.3) to extras-devel?
Nov 10 21:55:10 <rly> DocScrutinizer: yes, I did that, but I don't want to do that every time.
Nov 10 21:55:20 <achipa> merlin1991: I have no recollection of that
Nov 10 21:55:32 <rly> All the software I write has to be pretty much perfect.
Nov 10 21:55:39 <DocScrutinizer> browserd isn't supposed to go awry every time
Nov 10 21:55:42 <rly> Why can't the same hold for others?
Nov 10 21:55:51 <achipa> merlin1991: would say it's more likely Kate did that, tho
Nov 10 21:56:06 <rly> DocScrutinizer: it happens when there are 'software updates'.
Nov 10 21:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> never seen here
Nov 10 21:56:17 <rly> Or rather happened.
Nov 10 21:56:24 <merlin1991> I was only guessing you might have done it since it relates to your qt-mobility work
Nov 10 21:56:32 <rly> Can't I attach gdb on the phone?
Nov 10 21:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 10 21:56:50 <Sicelo> rly: u can schedule a killall browserd in alarmed for a time when you're asleep 
Nov 10 21:56:56 <Sicelo> dail
Nov 10 21:56:57 <merlin1991> gave me some trouble with missing members and whatnot when compiling the stock qt-mobility
Nov 10 21:57:19 * ShadowJK doesn't remember the last time he killed browserd
Nov 10 21:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> me neither
Nov 10 21:57:28 <achipa> merlin1991: oh that, yes, ran into that one myself
Nov 10 21:57:29 <rly> Sicelo: that still eats the battery for the rest of the day.
Nov 10 21:57:35 <rly> So, apt-get install gdb?
Nov 10 21:57:40 <ShadowJK> Sometimes I kill -11 browserd on N800 ;-)
Nov 10 21:58:07 <achipa> merlin1991: though was a result of some weird hack... I just commented out the offending line in mobility
Nov 10 21:58:26 <achipa> was some very kooky skype account handling
Nov 10 21:58:31 <DocScrutinizer> rly: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
Nov 10 21:59:08 <merlin1991> yeah, qt-mobility depends on the protokolname as a qstring protocol() whilst the new lib has protocolName()
Nov 10 22:00:38 <rly> Do n900 dev skills transfer to other phone type development or is it basically a waste of time if I ever want to do something with e.g. Android?
Nov 10 22:01:21 <SpeedEvil> qt stuff is not quite wasted on sybian
Nov 10 22:01:25 <SpeedEvil> symbina
Nov 10 22:01:26 <DocScrutinizer> I think android is a waste of time, but .. that's just me ;-D
Nov 10 22:01:32 <corecode> does anybody have updated telepathy-gabble packages?
Nov 10 22:01:36 <rly> I closed HAM, but it still says E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
Nov 10 22:01:43 <ShadowJK> qt also works on lunix desktop and windows desktop
Nov 10 22:01:47 <rly> Hmm, it is just slow.
Nov 10 22:02:00 <DocScrutinizer> rly: apt-worker needs up to 5min to finish
Nov 10 22:02:01 <rly> The GUI was gone, but it was still open. Odd semantics.
Nov 10 22:02:14 <rly> DocScrutinizer: apt-worker was done.
Nov 10 22:02:19 <rly> DocScrutinizer: top via ssh.
Nov 10 22:02:38 <rly> Meh, no gdb7
Nov 10 22:02:55 <rly> Still, cool that it actually works :)
Nov 10 22:04:48 <merlin1991> rly: the autoupdate "feature" lets apt-worker spinn in the bg from time to time
Nov 10 22:04:56 <rly> Is there also a simulator for the n900?
Nov 10 22:05:56 <rly> Or a way to install all the debugging symbols for everything dependent on browserd?
Nov 10 22:06:08 <Sicelo> sdk, i suppose
Nov 10 22:28:40 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: lol... i thought the url said it all
Nov 10 22:28:46 <Macer> the nokia n900 battery drop didn't give it away?
Nov 10 22:29:21 <Macer> after i was explaining how my battery went from 60 to 0.4.. and how wordpress wouldn't let me upload a png for the screenshot? 
Nov 10 22:30:55 <DocScrutinizer> you didn't
Nov 10 22:31:11 <DocScrutinizer> or I missed that, or it dropped off my stack
Nov 10 22:31:52 <Macer> heh
Nov 10 22:32:37 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you mixed channels
Nov 10 22:35:50 <DocScrutinizer> you had a proper story in #maemo-ssu
Nov 10 22:36:15 <DocScrutinizer> and nobody complained about posting an URL there
Nov 10 22:36:31 <DocScrutinizer> here... not so much
Nov 10 22:37:08 <jef91> Anyone else have problems with the Easy Debian installer causing the N900 to restart?
Nov 10 22:44:16 <ZogG_N9> ruskie ping
Nov 10 22:45:05 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: for future reference i would never post a link in the # unrelated to maemo or at the very least a mobile device which is related to something maemo does
Nov 10 22:45:46 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: doesn't help. I'm still not clear about what's that URL
Nov 10 22:46:10 <Macer> it is the battery eye graph of my battery going from 60 to 0.4 in 1 second
Nov 10 22:46:10 <DocScrutinizer> so I still have the choice to ignore it or click it to find out what it might be
Nov 10 22:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> see, it's easy to get a nice URL post instead of an annoying ome :-D
Nov 10 22:47:00 <Macer> the url had the name of it in the url lol
Nov 10 22:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> this one sentence would have made a whole lot of a difference
Nov 10 22:47:08 <Macer> ah well.. to each their own :) 
Nov 10 22:48:18 <Macer> i just left it on until it turned off on its own and am hoping the calibration fixes itself
Nov 10 22:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> depends on what this battery mon tool is using as data source
Nov 10 22:49:53 <DocScrutinizer> when it's bq27200, then it's rather normal and next time should be better
Nov 10 22:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. bq27200 will calibrate
Nov 10 22:50:46 <DocScrutinizer> it probably just switched from xx% to 5% when voltage reached the discharge threshold
Nov 10 22:51:28 <DocScrutinizer> if otoh the data source was bme/hal then ... oh well it's anybody's guess
Nov 10 22:51:45 <Macer> heh
Nov 10 22:52:45 <Macer> it was just so steep
Nov 10 22:53:10 <Macer> not only that but my bme advanced power applet as well as the battery widget that uses bme saw it dive
Nov 10 22:53:26 <Macer> but then it stayed at 0.4 for like an hour and stayed there .. phone on...  high usage
Nov 10 22:53:29 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: bq27200 switches from 100% to 5% happily when voltage reaches discharge threshold
Nov 10 22:53:47 <Macer> i see
Nov 10 22:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, battery staying at 0.4% for an hour of heavy usage is a bit weird. Probably that's been some of bme's lies then
Nov 10 22:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> err s/5%/6%/ iirc
Nov 10 23:01:32 <ZogG_N9> v
Nov 10 23:04:49 <DocScrutinizer> V?
Nov 10 23:12:43 <ZogG_N9> v foor vendetta
Nov 10 23:13:22 <ZogG_N9> i miss n900 keybaord ;(
Nov 10 23:47:52 <ZogG_N9> ~scrutinizing
Nov 10 23:47:52 <infobot> it has been said that scrutinizing is schmutinizing
Nov 11 00:26:18 <jonwil> bah, I accidentally deleted my "n900 stuff to do" list :(
Nov 11 00:27:38 <pronto> :(
Nov 11 00:28:08 <jonwil> I remember most of what was on it
Nov 11 00:28:12 <jonwil> so that's not a problem
Nov 11 00:35:57 <jonwil> oooh good, I found most of the stuff on a pastebin paste :)
Nov 11 01:09:39 <merlin1991> jonwil: did you actively search for it?
Nov 11 01:09:51 <jonwil> yes I searched for the missing info
Nov 11 01:09:52 <jonwil> why?
Nov 11 01:10:03 <merlin1991> just wondering
Nov 11 01:11:29 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?
Nov 11 01:11:38 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo scrutinizing
Nov 11 01:11:39 <infobot> scrutinizing -- created by jabis <~jabis@alpha.pumppumedia.com> 1h 25m 15s ago; last modified 1h 16m 39s ago  by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 41s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer.
Nov 11 01:11:54 <mr_jrt> Anyone else having issues with drop.maemo.org?
Nov 11 01:12:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~scrutinizing
Nov 11 01:12:04 <infobot> [scrutinizing] what DocScrutinizer does after eating some datasheets for breakfast
Nov 11 01:12:20 <DocScrutinizer> ~scrutinizing
Nov 11 01:12:21 <infobot> [scrutinizing] what DocScrutinizer does after eating some datasheets for breakfast
Nov 11 01:12:35 <merlin1991> what IS drop.maemo.org?
Nov 11 01:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> aah, [2011-11-11 00:46:29]
Nov 11 01:13:13 <mr_jrt> Used for uploading to extras-devel
Nov 11 01:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> errr, some place to drop project sources for buildhost?
Nov 11 01:13:31 <merlin1991> I've always used the assistant :D
Nov 11 01:13:36 <mr_jrt> ...and in this case, used for git access to my garage project
Nov 11 01:13:37 * DocScrutinizer too
Nov 11 01:13:57 <merlin1991> GET LOST APT-WORKER
Nov 11 01:14:02 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Nov 11 01:14:26 <merlin1991> srly what the fuck does he do now? ham just updated the package list and read the dependencies
Nov 11 01:14:37 <mr_jrt> Hmm. Seems I can't get talk.maemo.org either.
Nov 11 01:14:49 <DocScrutinizer> and apt-worker redoes all that again and again
Nov 11 01:14:52 <mr_jrt> ...nor indeed the garage.
Nov 11 01:14:53 <merlin1991> tmo works for me
Nov 11 01:15:34 <mr_jrt> Hmm
Nov 11 01:15:35 <DocScrutinizer> tmo is fast like lightning here
Nov 11 01:15:47 <merlin1991> garage is up too
Nov 11 01:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> relatively
Nov 11 01:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> load balancing at akamai
Nov 11 01:16:09 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Nov 11 01:16:29 <DocScrutinizer> or does this not even apply to tmo?
Nov 11 01:17:07 <DocScrutinizer> halley:~ # host talk.maemo.org
Nov 11 01:17:09 <DocScrutinizer> talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com.
Nov 11 01:17:10 <DocScrutinizer> forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247
Nov 11 01:17:39 <mr_jrt> Yeah...for some reason I can't resolve the DNS
Nov 11 01:17:43 <mr_jrt> :(
Nov 11 01:17:50 <DocScrutinizer> yeah THEN....
Nov 11 01:18:10 <DocScrutinizer> XXX-rated
Nov 11 01:18:23 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Nov 11 01:21:50 <mr_jrt> Weird...it's just the maemo domains.
Nov 11 01:22:42 <merlin1991> it's scheme
Nov 11 01:22:53 <merlin1991> nokia is disabling the dns entires region by region! ;)
Nov 11 01:28:25 <mr_jrt> It's definately asking nokia's nameservers :S - Anyone care to flush their cache and try for me?
Nov 11 01:37:34 <jonwil> bah, if I start nokia-maps from a command line, it wont display any UI. Which means I cant strace the damn thing'
Nov 11 01:39:01 <SpeedEvil> strace -p
Nov 11 01:39:12 <jonwil> except that I need to strace it right when it first loads
Nov 11 01:39:22 <SpeedEvil> ah
Nov 11 01:39:25 <jonwil> before it even opens any files
Nov 11 01:39:33 <jonwil> so I can find out every map-related file it opens
Nov 11 01:39:38 <mr_jrt> Hmmm :) It's anything on nokia's nameservers that has stopped working. At least it's not just maemo ;) How weird.
Nov 11 01:39:48 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: Aren't all the maps in the cache dir?
Nov 11 01:39:56 <jonwil> I know where the map files are
Nov 11 01:40:00 <SpeedEvil> you're not trying to RE the map ormat?
Nov 11 01:40:17 <jonwil> well trying to find where and how the railway stations get drawn on the map
Nov 11 01:40:23 <SpeedEvil> Why?
Nov 11 01:40:58 <jonwil> I want to modify the Nokia Maps HTML and use the Google GTFS data my transit operator makes available to print bus stops and related info on the map
Nov 11 01:41:13 <mr_jrt> Changing my mtu to something else and back again seems to have fixed it....:S
Nov 11 01:41:16 <jonwil> since no maemo mapping program can use such information
Nov 11 01:41:38 <SpeedEvil> Nokia maps html?
Nov 11 01:41:48 <jonwil> Nokia maps uses a browser widget to render
Nov 11 01:41:53 <jonwil> and a large index.html file
Nov 11 01:42:17 <jonwil> someone already extended said html file as a project called nokia-maps-extras
Nov 11 01:46:52 <jonwil> you follow?
Nov 11 01:52:51 <SpeedEvil> Hmm
Nov 11 02:11:09 <chrissbx> Hello. I'm looking for an alarm clock that can play mp3s, or fm radio.
Nov 11 02:12:21 <chrissbx> I've been searching around for an hour now; flip clock just doesn't work (doesn't even appear anymore); the builtin clock of the n800 doesn't seem to have any alarm at all;
Nov 11 02:12:40 <chrissbx> and all the fm radio and internet radio alarm clock project ideas seem to never have gotten anywhere;
Nov 11 02:13:14 <chrissbx> and the suggestion to use "alarmed" doesn't help me as the program manager doesn't find it.
Nov 11 02:13:26 <chrissbx> Any ideas?
Nov 11 02:13:52 <DocScrutinizer> err, the alarm on diablo wasn't that bad, had even a method to select arbitrary mp3 files to play for alarm sound. Just it stopped alarm too early
Nov 11 02:14:40 <chrissbx> I'm running the 2008 OS, I think; what's diablo?
Nov 11 02:14:56 <DocScrutinizer> chrissbx: anyeay you should make clear you're talking about diablo, not fremantle. Not very usual here nowadays
Nov 11 02:15:07 <DocScrutinizer> OS2008 == diablo
Nov 11 02:15:21 <chrissbx> k, what's the newest that can be run on the n800?
Nov 11 02:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> err diablo
Nov 11 02:15:31 <chrissbx> or, best
Nov 11 02:15:43 <chrissbx> well, then no alarm clock I guess.
Nov 11 02:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> with CSSU updtaes maybe
Nov 11 02:15:54 <DocScrutinizer> there is alarms in clock
Nov 11 02:16:02 <chrissbx> Hm.
Nov 11 02:16:26 <chrissbx> ah in the menu (hm I'm stupid)
Nov 11 02:16:35 <chrissbx> (I haven't used the device for years)
Nov 11 02:26:10 <chrissbx> Now if there only were a way to use the fm radio.
Nov 11 02:26:18 <chrissbx> As an alarm.
Nov 11 02:27:14 <chrissbx> I'd even accept crontab for myself, but this is for a buddy who doesn't know any commandline stuff.
Nov 11 02:32:21 <chrissbx> Hm somehow the diablo clock doesn't even work. I've set alarms twice now, 2' in the future, then 10' in the future, and neither has done anything.
Nov 11 02:32:56 <chrissbx> Well I guess I'll just give up, he was interested in fm radio alarm anyway.
Nov 11 02:45:41 <DocScrutinizer> I think there's not even a generic fm-radio alarm on N900
Nov 11 02:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> a *good* alarm clock still was a nice project
Nov 11 02:46:50 <DocScrutinizer> for N8x0 it is an ideal project
Nov 11 02:47:13 <DocScrutinizer> well scratch the "fm-" for N810 ;-)
Nov 11 02:53:40 <luke-jr> a *working* alarm clock would be nice :/
Nov 11 02:54:01 <luke-jr> N900 Maemo only works when it isn't important -.-
Nov 11 02:54:48 <SpeedEvil> I find my n900 alarm quite reliable.
Nov 11 02:56:02 <luke-jr> I find it reliable for work meetings that I can afford to forget
Nov 11 02:56:10 <luke-jr> I find it never works overnight when I need to wake up.
Nov 11 02:56:26 <luke-jr> sleep-state related? shrug
Nov 11 02:57:07 <DocScrutinizer> related to alarm time limited to 60s or sth
Nov 11 02:57:17 <luke-jr> O.o
Nov 11 02:57:20 <DocScrutinizer> insane
Nov 11 02:57:26 <Macer> lmao. wow. battery-eye has my battery going like -10%
Nov 11 02:57:27 <Macer> ice
Nov 11 02:57:29 <Macer> nice too
Nov 11 02:58:05 <merlin1991> I dunno when I set an allarm on the n900 I'm up within the first 2 to 3 notes
Nov 11 02:58:08 <DocScrutinizer> battery-eye seems thoroughly fsckd up
Nov 11 02:58:49 <Macer> i don't think so because advanced power is also giving me awkward results on this battery
Nov 11 02:58:59 <Macer> the same results battery-eye is using
Nov 11 02:59:21 <Macer> where the applet turns red... the red led turns on... but the n900 stays on for over an hour longer during high use
Nov 11 02:59:34 <Macer> it could be  because the first couple of days i was swapping out 2 different batteries 
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