**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 13 02:59:56 2011 Nov 13 03:16:51 Looking for help from a GTK guy with 2 projects Nov 13 03:16:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1122720#post1122720 Nov 13 03:18:16 jonwil: what kind of settings do you have to save in the broadcast widget? Nov 13 03:19:11 well I only need 2 checkboxes at this point Nov 13 03:19:42 I could hack that together :) Nov 13 03:19:49 I'd store them in gconf keys Nov 13 03:20:15 ok, that would be good Nov 13 03:41:25 yay, i got it to work! :) Nov 13 03:44:06 may I ask what? :D Nov 13 03:46:19 using the n900 as a wifi adapter Nov 13 03:46:58 ipforwarding towards ubsnetworking? Nov 13 03:47:12 tethering wifi to a desktop pc with no wifi Nov 13 03:47:13 i tried all sorts of iptables incantations earlier to no avial Nov 13 03:47:41 :) Nov 13 03:47:43 Socks? Nov 13 03:48:23 I think I'd have run a dhcp server with dnsmasq on usb0 and added a few iptable rules Nov 13 03:48:36 what was your solution? Nov 13 03:50:29 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE Nov 13 03:52:18 no -i? Nov 13 03:52:54 err -s Nov 13 03:53:24 ah nope I actually meant -i, I have to reread iptables syntax whenever I use them Nov 13 03:55:20 * merlin1991 wonders if the kernel would masquerade packets from wlan0 to wlan0 with dnagergrlls iprule Nov 13 05:04:06 is anyone here getting NO_PUBKEY errors with the downloads.maemo.nokia.com repository? Nov 13 05:32:09 I wonder, is there any pleasant recommendations anyone has for my N900? Nov 13 05:32:32 Right now it has latest PR + CSSU. Nov 13 05:33:00 Anyone else recommens anything? Is there an online repository browser for Maemo extras? Nov 13 07:38:39 hello Nov 13 07:49:07 when -> key is locking, I can't input upper case letters Nov 13 07:49:12 Is it configurable? Nov 13 07:50:07 -> + a produces *, so it makes no sense that -> + shift + a produces * too, it's more useful to produce A Nov 13 07:52:31 what do you think? Nov 13 07:59:31 LaoLang_cool: it's because shift+fn+ is almost always equal to fn+ Nov 13 08:00:05 kerio: Could I change it? Nov 13 08:00:12 sure, you can change your keymap Nov 13 08:00:15 It's not logic I think Nov 13 08:00:28 kerio: could you tell me how to change it? Nov 13 08:00:45 but then, when shift is locked, you can't input symbols Nov 13 08:00:48 change your keymap file Nov 13 08:00:59 I also want to change the key long-pressing to repeat the key, not to produce -> + key Nov 13 08:01:39 kerio: shift locking + -> + letter can not produce symbol then? It's a big side-effect Nov 13 08:02:00 I'm missing the keyboard of palm treo 650 :( Nov 13 08:12:15 found it at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421 :) Nov 13 08:12:16 04Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number Nov 13 08:23:23 kerio: could you please show me a hint about the keymap to change the behavior of combination of -> + shift + letter key Nov 13 08:23:48 LaoLang_cool: it's something in /usr/X11 Nov 13 08:23:53 look for nokia_vndr/rx-51 Nov 13 08:24:01 can't remember the exact details Nov 13 08:24:50 kerio: thank you, using n900 is also a learning process Nov 13 08:29:24 Find a good website about the keymapping at http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html :) Nov 13 08:49:27 More cool info is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Nov 13 09:57:09 somehow I dont think that Maliit is the right answer as a replacement for the N900 vkb Nov 13 09:57:19 why? Nov 13 09:57:38 why use vkb on n900 at all? Nov 13 09:58:18 slonopotamus: amen Nov 13 09:58:19 Its not just the vkb, its the symbols keyboard also Nov 13 09:58:25 the one you get when you press "sym" Nov 13 09:58:35 both use the same rendering widget Nov 13 09:58:47 and that's the one I am trying to find help with writing a replacement for Nov 13 09:58:54 that rendering widget Nov 13 10:00:03 there is demand for a portrait keyboard Nov 13 10:00:15 DocScrutinizer: you there? Nov 13 10:00:16 may be there are just a few loud people Nov 13 10:00:17 hence my intention to find someone to replace it Nov 13 10:00:27 this is my syslog http://pastebin.com/buyqvYZb Nov 13 10:00:42 my phone shutdown automatically at random time Nov 13 10:00:54 some people who I talk to are sticking with the n900 rather than going to the n9 because of the physical keyboard. Nov 13 10:06:40 tbh, the n900's physical keyboard is bad enough and the n9's vkb good enough, particularly with swype, that im not missing it that much Nov 13 10:09:40 nid0 is right, i am not disappointed because of the missing hw kbd Nov 13 10:32:25 hello! Nov 13 10:33:02 ~seen Hurrian Nov 13 10:33:06 hurrian <~yuki@121.54.2.104> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 22h 5m 48s ago, saying: '...and lightspark'. Nov 13 10:33:33 -> + sym pops up the virtual keybard a little slow Nov 13 10:33:47 could it be configurable to faster? Nov 13 10:34:12 Also the other UI's menu is a little slow too Nov 13 11:06:11 bash`: wazzup? Nov 13 11:38:01 meh Nov 13 11:38:10 anyone knows how to extract current year/month from Retu? Nov 13 11:53:48 Retu? Nov 13 11:54:32 I'd say "rephrase please!" Nov 13 11:55:42 as I'm rather sure >>extract current year/month from Retu<< is not an accurate description of what you're planning to do Nov 13 11:58:46 * DocScrutinizer suggests a few templates: "how to remove / rewrite timestamp of dbus messages from ISI subsystem?" // "how to read out RTC, incl year/month - if there is any available in RTC?" Nov 13 12:45:05 hello Nov 13 12:45:23 I want to set ctrl-shift-v to run vim, don't know how to make it? Nov 13 12:45:34 like ctrl-shift-x runs xterm Nov 13 12:46:29 i think it's hardcoded in hildon desktop Nov 13 12:48:41 ShadowJK: Does hardcoded mean that it can't be configured by simplely edit some file with something? Nov 13 12:48:50 Bad news... Nov 13 12:56:58 DocScrutinizer: hi, do you remember my issue? (n900 shutdown when isn't used) this is my syslog http://pastebin.com/buyqvYZb Nov 13 12:58:01 I looked into it, it shows nothing but a normal boot at 01:49 and normal operation until 13:49 or sth like that Nov 13 12:58:34 not helping to look at 11h of normal operation Nov 13 12:58:35 DocScrutinizer: wrong order Nov 13 12:58:35 yes, it shutdown during the night Nov 13 13:00:35 kerio: right, 14:49 -> 01:49, anyway not helping Nov 13 13:01:01 so what's the next step? :) Nov 13 13:01:09 bash`: it sometimes happens to me with a ripoff battery that has a faulty connection Nov 13 13:01:36 of course there's nothing in the logs because it's just as if i removed the battery all of a sudden Nov 13 13:01:46 kerio: so you are saying could be battery fault Nov 13 13:01:53 sure, maybe Nov 13 13:02:18 but this never happen when I'm doing a call or browsing the web Nov 13 13:02:39 and I do calls for 2 hours too Nov 13 13:02:41 well your phone spends most of its time *not* doing a call or browsing the web Nov 13 13:03:03 bash`: I wonder how you got that syslog anyway, as if it actually shut down out of a sudden sometime after 01:49, then how you managed to boot again after that to gain the syslog? Nov 13 13:03:19 kerio: that log is pretty empty because I was waiting it to shutdown :) Nov 13 13:03:44 DocScrutinizer: ssh n900 tail -f /var/log/syslog > savedlog Nov 13 13:03:50 (it should work, right?) Nov 13 13:03:57 DocScrutinizer: yes, I booted it and copied the syslog, isn't the full syslog Nov 13 13:04:14 wait Nov 13 13:04:33 no, as that cmd as well needs a booted system, and that booted system should have a associated syslog entry (actually a friggin lot of entries) Nov 13 13:04:57 i meant that it would save everything up to the point of shutdown Nov 13 13:05:14 why only to point of shutdown? Nov 13 13:05:24 aaah Nov 13 13:05:26 yes Nov 13 13:05:36 I didn't look close enough Nov 13 13:06:48 anyway please *never* post snippets/excerpts/edited logs Nov 13 13:06:55 sorry Nov 13 13:07:14 http://pastebin.com/fKmTBDkC Nov 13 13:07:17 whole syslog ^ Nov 13 13:09:03 ok, your system froze or shutdown hard between 01:49 and 02:09, and you booted it manually 09:53 Nov 13 13:09:11 yes Nov 13 13:09:29 dunno why your system shut down hard Nov 13 13:09:39 but it was definitely no reboot Nov 13 13:09:52 it was a shutdown Nov 13 13:10:09 and I cannot start it without removing the battery first Nov 13 13:10:11 well, not a proper shutdown though Nov 13 13:10:14 battery sounds likely Nov 13 13:10:27 bash`: ooh, you didn't say that Nov 13 13:10:36 yeah, definetely a battery issue then Nov 13 13:10:46 damn I don't know which details are relevant! Nov 13 13:10:48 :) Nov 13 13:10:50 or nasty lockup of silicon Nov 13 13:11:09 DocScrutinizer: it's a battery issue; if it wasn't, there would be nothing to do anyway Nov 13 13:11:30 twl4030 lockup might cause same effect Nov 13 13:11:34 someway to check battery status/capacity? Nov 13 13:11:45 batteries lie Nov 13 13:11:50 great... Nov 13 13:11:57 nah, it sounds like a wanky contact, like kerio suspected Nov 13 13:12:17 get a new battery Nov 13 13:12:18 DocScrutinizer: but why wouldn't he be able to restart without removi-ooh Nov 13 13:13:34 kerio: twl4030 is PMU, when it's locked up there's nothing you can do as all you could do was depending on cooperation of twl4030 Nov 13 13:14:14 and having the battery go missing for just a fraction of a second makes twl4030 fuck up? Nov 13 13:14:40 when the chip that checks for 8s powerbutton press is acting up, then 8s PB press won't possibly cure the issue Nov 13 13:15:04 yeah but why would it act up Nov 13 13:15:07 kerio: the contrary, it may reset twl4030 Nov 13 13:15:13 i see Nov 13 13:15:37 kerio: as I said: extremely nasty silicon lockup Nov 13 13:15:58 usually this can not happen - at least that's what they tell us Nov 13 13:16:00 :-) Nov 13 13:17:16 btw millisecond-battery-removal is most plausible cause to actually make twl4030 fsckup Nov 13 13:17:22 in conclusion I've to get a new battery, right? isn't something related to the motherboard/processor Nov 13 13:17:42 unclear Nov 13 13:18:23 there's just probabilities, and the highest probability is that your battery is a fsckdup knockoff/fake Nov 13 13:19:13 btw my battery is the original one Nov 13 13:19:34 other possible probelms include silicon wearout possibly due to overclocking or ESD to e.g. the battery terminals Nov 13 13:19:54 I didn't overclock neither Nov 13 13:20:06 >>First, there will be a huge netsplit, followed by smaller netsplits. About 2700 users will lose connections as a result...<< \o/ Nov 13 13:22:55 DocScrutinizer kerio thanks for your time, I'll try a new battery then Nov 13 13:22:55 DocScrutinizer: what Nov 13 13:22:58 well, 316 users... let's see where we are in 60 min Nov 13 13:23:15 oh, i missed the message Nov 13 13:24:18 haha :D "Boot from flash failed, booting from flash" Nov 13 13:24:28 ROTFL Nov 13 13:25:25 BIOS msg: "No kbd detected or kbd hw failure - please press F1 to continue" Nov 13 13:25:44 that too :) Nov 13 13:29:30 GAN900: wb Nov 13 13:30:16 from 30 back up to 290, not bad for a mega netsplit Nov 13 13:30:26 i missed you guys! Nov 13 13:30:55 me2 Nov 13 13:31:38 DocScrutinizer: hi there I am seeking to solve the openvpn bug Nov 13 13:31:57 DocScrutinizer: can you help me with dnsmasq and resolving dns? Nov 13 13:32:24 maybe, I'm no expert in that domain, but I'll see what I can do Nov 13 13:33:09 in my openvpn up script I write the dns info i get to /var/run/resolvconf/tun0.resolv.conf Nov 13 13:33:30 I also add a line to use it in resolvconf- file in the dnsmasq etc Nov 13 13:33:35 yet it is not used Nov 13 13:33:46 even if I pkill -HUP dnsmasq Nov 13 13:35:04 err, on my system there's not even such a directory Nov 13 13:35:42 IroN900:~# ll /var/run/reso* Nov 13 13:35:43 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 34 2011-11-12 00:43 /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 Nov 13 13:35:55 does your /etc/resolv.conf gives nameserver 127.0.0.1 ? Nov 13 13:36:02 sure Nov 13 13:36:33 in /etc/dnsmasq.conf you will see a line with resolv.conf.wlan0 Nov 13 13:36:52 this allows dnsmasq to use the info in that file Nov 13 13:37:16 how ever if I add a new network device by running openvpn Nov 13 13:37:18 tun0 Nov 13 13:37:30 dnsmasq doesnt use the info for it Nov 13 13:38:00 less /etc/resolvconf/update.d/dnsmasq Nov 13 13:38:19 min Nov 13 13:39:01 ya I need to read it Nov 13 13:39:20 IroN900:~# cat /etc/dnsmasq.conf Nov 13 13:39:22 domain-needed Nov 13 13:39:23 bogus-priv Nov 13 13:39:25 resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf Nov 13 13:39:26 resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 Nov 13 13:39:27 ok, I will read it then ask more Nov 13 13:39:45 I also put these resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 Nov 13 13:39:56 and that file has the vpn nameserver Nov 13 13:40:02 add "resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0" Nov 13 13:40:28 I did Nov 13 13:40:32 doesnt work Nov 13 13:40:35 no, you said you got it in /var/run/resolvconf/tun0.resolv.conf Nov 13 13:40:51 how to submit a file to the openvpn package? Nov 13 13:41:07 I couldnt find the maintaner Nov 13 13:41:28 I toldya I got no such directory like /var/run/resolvconf/ Nov 13 13:41:48 /etc/dnsmasq.conf doesn't use this dir either Nov 13 13:43:29 ment resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 Nov 13 13:43:36 you should add a line like "resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0" to /etc/dnsmasq.conf, and then actually create THAT file and not /var/run/resolvconf/tun0.resolv.conf Nov 13 13:44:00 right Nov 13 13:44:09 this is what I did , but i mis spelled it here Nov 13 13:44:17 :-/ Nov 13 13:44:36 I suggest you check where else you mis spelled it Nov 13 13:44:58 echo -e "$R" > /var/run/resolv.conf.$name Nov 13 13:46:14 I had to fix /etc/openvpn/maemo-update-resolvconf Nov 13 13:51:31 cityLights: ping Nov 13 13:51:39 here Nov 13 13:51:42 so? Nov 13 13:51:56 last post I've seen was echo -e Nov 13 13:52:03 which doesn't tell me much Nov 13 13:52:06 please do Nov 13 13:52:08 for f in $(cat /etc/dnsmasq.conf|cut -d= -f2|grep var); do ls -l $f && cat $f;echo;done Nov 13 13:52:16 and pastebin the result Nov 13 13:52:54 only /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs exist now Nov 13 13:53:33 I will solve this, but I first want to know how to submit my fix to the openvpn pkg Nov 13 13:53:42 can you put the fix in? Nov 13 13:53:44 of course I need that cmdline done when you think tun0 should be active Nov 13 13:54:00 no Nov 13 13:54:07 ok, I will get back to you in 1.5 hr Nov 13 13:54:19 I first need to see something Nov 13 13:54:23 but thanks Nov 13 13:54:29 was sure I was right Nov 13 13:55:39 btw if everything works you won't even need a kill -SIGHUP Nov 13 13:55:56 as dnsmasq polls the files and detects changes Nov 13 13:56:02 I see Nov 13 13:56:11 unless you got nopoll option set Nov 13 13:56:40 at least that's how I read the manpage Nov 13 13:57:25 just keep the resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 permanently in your /etc/dnsmasq.conf Nov 13 13:57:54 it is created when openvpn is running Nov 13 13:58:03 that's wrong Nov 13 13:58:11 I see Nov 13 14:00:06 fixing Nov 13 14:00:14 dnsmasq is polling all the files listed in /etc/dnsmasq.conf, so keep the line pointing to tun0 in there Nov 13 14:00:35 I will need to clear it when openvpn stopps Nov 13 14:00:41 no Nov 13 14:00:57 you just delete the /var/run/ file Nov 13 14:01:33 so I must create the file when openvpn is established Nov 13 14:01:42 yes Nov 13 14:01:52 didnt work Nov 13 14:01:59 will try again soon Nov 13 14:02:02 err, what didn't work? Nov 13 14:02:14 file creation? Nov 13 14:02:29 the n900 wasnt able to resolve a hostname via the vpn dns Nov 13 14:02:37 file was created Nov 13 14:02:53 well, first set it up correctly - then we check if it works or why it doesn't Nov 13 14:03:02 right Nov 13 14:03:28 aiui you didn't keep the line in dnsmasq.conf so creating the file won't help Nov 13 14:04:36 ping MohammadAG Nov 13 14:09:19 [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi - today's updates are now complete. Join us next week for the next game of upgrades roulette (see blog for schedule if you want to ruin the surprise). Have a great day! :) Nov 13 14:09:25 317 user :-D Nov 13 14:09:58 [2011-11-13 14:20:12] well, 316 users... let's see where we are in 60 min Nov 13 14:10:08 Am I survived? Nov 13 14:10:17 yoh :-D Nov 13 14:10:26 cool Nov 13 14:11:22 Any nice cli pic viewer? feh? imagemagick? Nov 13 14:12:47 umm Nov 13 14:35:01 <`MindFreak`> hello! Nov 13 14:37:04 hello! Nov 13 14:59:26 <`MindFreak`> is there any way to send a song from media player without searching the file in file mananger on my nokia n900? Nov 13 15:42:36 ̀û Nov 13 15:53:31 <`MindFreak`> is there any way to send a song from media player without searching the file in file mananger on my nokia n900? Nov 13 15:58:12 frals: pingityping? Nov 13 16:06:26 `MindFreak`: no Nov 13 16:13:51 Do you use SIP, if so which provider? Nov 13 16:19:09 sip.linphone.org works fine on my N900.. i don't use it much (voip hasn't picked up in swaziland, and prolly most of africa) Nov 13 16:24:14 Sicelo: are you from swaziland? :P Nov 13 16:24:34 Are you like a king there? Nov 13 16:24:44 lol Nov 13 16:25:02 there is gsm service in swaziland? Nov 13 16:25:03 heh Nov 13 16:25:55 I don't understand the joke. Nov 13 16:26:04 I just called myself via Skype. That's also cool. Nov 13 16:26:10 Anyone care to enlighten me? Nov 13 16:26:19 rly: what did you learn about yourself? Nov 13 16:26:31 kerio: I am annoying to listen too? Nov 13 16:26:52 kerio: that was a setup for a joke which you were about to make anyway ;) Nov 13 16:27:10 sipgate.com works for me Nov 13 16:27:28 Sicelo: sip.linphone.org maps to some company. Nov 13 16:27:44 But perhaps you meant: https://www.linphone.org/eng/linphone/register-a-linphone-account.html Nov 13 16:29:18 dangergrrl: sipgate is free? Nov 13 16:29:35 neal, i think the joke is that smartphones can not be terribly common in swaziland or indeed most of africa Nov 13 16:29:46 Due to the increased volume of new registrations within the last few weeks, we have unfortunately ran out of free numbers in your area and we are currently not able to offer you any alternative free phone number at the moment. Nov 13 16:29:54 dangergrrl: yep Nov 13 16:30:07 incoming calls are free on sipgate, and google voice will turn outgoing calls into inbound Nov 13 16:30:42 dangergrrl: you pay google voice with your phonemes, right? Nov 13 16:31:04 dangergrrl: but they are not allowed to use the actual contents of the conversations, I'd hope. Nov 13 16:31:34 sure, google is collecting data on you if that is what you mean Nov 13 16:31:57 google knows scary things about me already Nov 13 16:31:57 google probably knows me better than i know myself Nov 13 16:31:59 wrong, people buy smartphones here, at least as fashion items. only thing i never seen here is OM device. Nov 13 16:32:17 OM device? Nov 13 16:32:34 openmoko doesn't actually exist Nov 13 16:32:41 ok Nov 13 16:33:44 BB has taken market by storm, mostly due to fact that operator is doing masive advertising Nov 13 16:34:19 i never thought of a smartphone as a fashion item Nov 13 16:34:40 dangergrrl: do you think people buy iphones because of the technical part? Nov 13 16:34:50 i bought the n900 because it is a nice handheld linux pc Nov 13 16:35:25 if it didn't cost me too much, i'd get another N900 soon :P Nov 13 16:35:26 dangergrrl: you're also on irc Nov 13 16:35:32 dangergrrl: you don't exist Nov 13 16:35:38 as a phone i find it a bit lacking Nov 13 16:35:46 oh, the n900 is a horrible phone Nov 13 16:36:30 but whoever would appreciate the n900 either doesn't care about talking anyway because, you know, nerd, or has no problems using a headset Nov 13 16:38:49 I touched the hang up button with me ear once. Nov 13 16:39:16 That shouldn't really happen. Nov 13 16:39:23 yeah, you shouldn't make phone calls Nov 13 16:39:26 it's stupid Nov 13 16:39:55 kerio: so, I should use it to read email, IRC, setup webservers, etc. Nov 13 16:40:10 And program and generally be awesome? Nov 13 16:40:32 yeah, why bother with calling Nov 13 16:40:35 calling is for social people Nov 13 16:41:01 ^^ Nov 13 16:42:10 IRC is just an asshole multiplier. Nov 13 16:43:02 dang he's back so we can waste more of his time Nov 13 16:43:23 you can kick him today, since you missed the opportunity yesterday Nov 13 16:43:58 I'll do in a moment, just one more XXX post of him and I'll not only kick him Nov 13 16:44:44 no matter he includes himself to the class of assholes by statements like >>IRC is just an asshole multiplier.<< - I feel insulted Nov 13 16:45:37 rly: official last warning - reconsider your attitude and your language Nov 13 16:46:02 rly: we owe you nothing, this isn't Nokia helpdesk Nov 13 17:01:39 hello all...i,m in need of some help...my friend has taken a HD w/ a corrupted boot loader out and connected to a laptop via usb but is unable to copy home dir b/c of insufficent permissions/he isnt the owner etc any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nov 13 17:02:58 sudo to root, and do it. Nov 13 17:03:43 ty i will inquire to be sure that is what hes done Nov 13 17:08:44 how do i determine if the cam shutter is closed or open for nokia n900 Nov 13 17:09:36 d-bus may be sending something, probably there is also something in sysfs. Nov 13 17:10:48 /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state Nov 13 17:10:53 NIN101: dbus only sends when a change is made to its state.. i want to know otherwise without changing the state of shutter Nov 13 17:11:02 NIN101: thanks Nov 13 17:13:08 yw Nov 13 17:42:41 Meanwhile: One of Microsoft's senior executives told colleagues he had "zero pity" for the victims of the Japanese tsunami and would like to "create another", it has been claimed, in a new legal row over sexual harassment at the computer giant. Nov 13 17:43:10 Let me guess... He is a hentai fan? =) Nov 13 17:43:48 DocScrutinizer: uhm, I didn't say you owe me anything. Also, it is a very well known phenomenon that anonymity doesn't really bring up the best in people. Nov 13 17:45:32 rly: Stop making it worse and go away :-) Nov 13 18:22:15 RST38h: wow, what an ass-hat reported that to the public? Nov 13 18:22:59 reported what? Nov 13 18:23:18 RST38h: either a real nasty mole inside M$, or some spin doctor paid by one of M$ competitors Nov 13 18:23:49 what was reported, what i missed? Nov 13 18:23:58 maybe it was me =) Nov 13 18:24:35 ZogG_N9: read backscroll, some 5 lines up Nov 13 18:25:00 i cant Nov 13 18:25:06 just singed in Nov 13 18:25:15 so do a /topic Nov 13 18:26:07 and ? Nov 13 18:26:39 DocScrutinizer, thats why i asked for bot function i saw on other chan Nov 13 18:26:52 eh? Nov 13 18:27:19 the command like ~wtf would make bot to pm you last 20 sentences Nov 13 18:27:26 bot function? which bot function? what's wrong with chanlog? Nov 13 18:28:49 * DocScrutinizer ponders about a "public bouncer" to "PM last 20 posts" on sending a certain command Nov 13 18:29:35 maybe you could suggest to mgedmin to add that function to povbot Nov 13 18:33:16 DocScrutinizer, its usefull if u just signed in or timeoited Nov 13 18:33:25 mgedmin, ^ Nov 13 18:37:01 ZogG: [12:41:34] Meanwhile: One of Microsoft's senior executives told colleagues he had "zero pity" for the victims of the Japanese tsunami and would like to "create another", it has been claimed, in a new legal row over sexual harassment at the computer giant. Nov 13 18:58:14 I verified my SIP account by configuring it on Linux. Now, why do the same credentials not work on the n900? Nov 13 19:00:58 something about registrar Nov 13 19:02:09 Sicelo: ? Nov 13 19:19:05 afaik it is a known issue that some sip services don't work well on N900, eg Nov 13 19:19:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 Nov 13 19:19:17 04Bug 5342: IM and VoIP accounts: Cannot sign in to ekiga.net SIP. Nov 13 19:22:29 Sicelo: ok, so far none of them work. Nov 13 19:22:34 Sicelo: I tried two. Nov 13 19:25:22 u could search tmo for whatever sip services u are on, to see how others configured them. Nov 13 19:32:05 Sicelo: didn't you also use linphone? Nov 13 19:32:18 Sicelo: because I cannot get it to work on the phone. Nov 13 19:32:26 It works fine on Linux. Nov 13 19:32:46 Sicelo: (I mean as a provider) Nov 13 19:37:05 sipgate.de works just fine on N900 for me Nov 13 19:37:33 as it does on N810, N950, twinklephone/desktop... Nov 13 19:38:08 even works over O2 3G Nov 13 19:40:19 nevertheless my *NAT* in router absolutely can use some port forwarding for each distinct local SIP-UA Nov 13 19:41:25 rly: advanced settings: transport, auto; outbound proxy, sip.linphone.org; port, 5060; discover public address, check; auto-detect stun, check; keep alive * , Auto Nov 13 19:41:32 running multiple clients behinf a NAT - maybe even a NAT with SIP ALG (kinda proxy) - is usually cumbersome Nov 13 19:42:23 yup, and change that to 5062 for next concurrent client Nov 13 19:42:52 or not, depends on your NAT, provider... Nov 13 19:43:39 Sicelo_: and what is Address? Nov 13 19:43:51 Sicelo_: I used username@sip.linphone.org Nov 13 19:44:03 Sicelo_: where username has been replaced with my username. Nov 13 19:44:39 sipgate.de doesn't accept new users. Nov 13 19:45:27 yes, fine that way Nov 13 19:45:51 Sicelo_: there is another option below public address Nov 13 19:46:01 Sicelo_: free routing or whatever. Nov 13 19:46:26 i left that unchecked Nov 13 19:46:41 Some idiot is called me :/ Nov 13 19:46:46 calling* Nov 13 19:46:57 I didn't even give the number out... Nov 13 19:47:13 heh, at least u know it works :P Nov 13 19:47:29 Sicelo_: no, that's not on the phone. Nov 13 19:47:33 Hello, I got source code of certman control panel applet from NOKIA Nov 13 19:47:47 O.O Nov 13 19:48:07 source code is GPL, so I published it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 Nov 13 19:48:51 Sicelo_: so, it plainly says 'not connected', instead of connected/active/signed on Nov 13 19:49:26 Sicelo_: I would have expected it to say 'wrong password/no connection could be maded/server down/etc.' Nov 13 19:49:28 made* Nov 13 19:51:31 well, i don't have a clue. right now am connected to my linphone sip account Nov 13 19:53:26 freemangordon: see ^^^ Pali Nov 13 19:54:29 Pali: good, upload it in CSSU git. Nov 13 19:54:43 one problem I found now Nov 13 19:54:46 How did you get it? Nov 13 19:54:49 it is old version 0.9 Nov 13 19:55:07 I wrote mail to sourcecode.request@nokia.com Nov 13 19:55:35 s/0.9/0.0.9/ Nov 13 19:55:44 hmm, then Estel's mail re gst-dsp could have success Nov 13 19:56:07 maybe, maybe Nov 13 19:56:19 and which one is current? Nov 13 19:57:04 0.1.4+0m5 (that which was relased in last PR1.3.1) Nov 13 19:57:41 Now I write second mail for requst last PR.1.3.1 version Nov 13 19:58:11 maybe we just ask for all sources of maemo and there components :) Nov 13 19:58:49 Yes, we can try :) Nov 13 19:59:47 :D Nov 13 19:59:52 sure, why not Nov 13 19:59:57 anyone knows where n8x0 takes system time on reboot from? Nov 13 20:00:04 * DocScrutinizer wonders, whistels "wind of change", coughs and slaps himself NCIS way Nov 13 20:00:55 slonopotamus: hw-clock, I guess Nov 13 20:01:05 DocScrutinizer: that's too abstract Nov 13 20:01:10 that one usually is in OMAP companion chip Nov 13 20:01:18 twl? Nov 13 20:01:21 yep Nov 13 20:01:26 maybe some trainee will put all the sources in a zip and leak it :) Nov 13 20:01:31 if there is such a beast on n8x0 Nov 13 20:01:41 I think there is Nov 13 20:01:52 until retutime -i kernel runs in 1970 Nov 13 20:01:54 RT clock is there Nov 13 20:02:50 on N8x0 it's probably from tiku or something Nov 13 20:02:51 however the only inputs for retutime are dsme and retu-rtc. and crappy retu-rtc only has 8 bits for day, no month or year. Nov 13 20:02:53 retutime sounds kinda diablo-ish for "get hw-clock from RETU aka twlxxyy" Nov 13 20:03:05 oh yeah, retu Nov 13 20:03:23 ShadowJK: the problem is that retu doesn't have year. Nov 13 20:03:43 duh Nov 13 20:03:54 so they emulate that in sw? Nov 13 20:03:57 only days? can't believe that Nov 13 20:04:18 means my N810 leaps a whole year when I don't power it up for >12 months? Nov 13 20:04:38 how insane! ;-P Nov 13 20:05:05 http://dev.openaos.org/browser/trunk/avx6/linux/drivers/cbus/retu-rtc.c?rev=198&order=date#L62 Nov 13 20:05:18 that's what retu-rtc gives to userspace Nov 13 20:05:36 slonopotamus: if RETU doesn't support year, then the lib/binary talking to the chip will keep track of the year elsewhere (probably in CAL) Nov 13 20:06:21 dsr? Nov 13 20:06:31 there are even PC BIOS that do this Nov 13 20:06:49 does not sounds like days only Nov 13 20:07:28 freemangordon: meh, look at the code. there are only 8 bits for day Nov 13 20:07:44 yep, looking Nov 13 20:07:49 give me some time Nov 13 20:09:07 * slonopotamus can't even imagine what retu designers were smoking Nov 13 20:10:14 yeah, dsr stands for days-seconds-register Nov 13 20:15:36 slonopotamus: strace date? Nov 13 20:17:09 freemangordon: date just asks kernel. kernel is fed with datetime from retutime. Nov 13 20:18:17 aha, i think now I understand your question. i.e what else is called besides retu driver. Nov 13 20:19:28 Does anyone have a good explanation for why on Sicelo's phone SIP to the same provider works and on mine it doesn't? (also not for multiple other providers) Nov 13 20:21:38 Can I see an error log somewhere for built in applications like the VOIP stuff? Nov 13 20:22:28 wireshark maybe :/ Nov 13 20:22:56 Sicelo: does that also run on the phone? Nov 13 20:23:20 yes. i have it Nov 13 20:24:38 Sicelo: ok, well at least nothing comes through my PC. Nov 13 20:24:48 but i think problem is by your operator. rss didn't work for me for about 3 weeks, then suddenly worked again (was working fine via wifi the whole time. via wifi, sometimes i cant connect to gtalk... that's N900 for u) Nov 13 20:24:59 Sicelo: which is _very_ suspect. Nov 13 20:25:11 Sicelo: no, it should have sent something. Nov 13 20:26:31 Sicelo: or rather, it should have received something. Nov 13 20:26:50 Sicelo: whether it has sent something can only be seen on the phone. Nov 13 20:31:03 Sicelo: I am capturing on usb0, but nothing is actually being sent. Nov 13 20:31:12 Sicelo: (on the phone) Nov 13 20:31:59 What is the phonet0 interface? Is that phoneeth0? Nov 13 20:32:24 freemangordon: see file maemo_software_copyright.pdf in MyDocs/.documents Nov 13 20:32:41 you can ask for all source code on CD-ROM from Nokia Nov 13 20:32:47 It is sending some packets on that interface, but I cannot capture on those. Nov 13 20:32:50 (open source code) Nov 13 20:35:31 Now I can capture everything. Nov 13 20:37:15 rly: check your NAT-router's settings Nov 13 20:38:22 slonopotamus: well, the chip designers obviously had to be stingy with throwing gates at this RTC function Nov 13 20:38:40 DocScrutinizer: I started wireshark, started a capture on all interfaces, pressed the 'sign on' button and I saw nothing in wireshark. How can my NAT settings possibly be relevant? Nov 13 20:38:54 DocScrutinizer: (all of this on the phone) Nov 13 20:39:16 your NAT and wireshark for sure are unrelated Nov 13 20:39:25 If the application actually did something useful, it should have sent something and that something should have been visible in wireshark. Nov 13 20:39:34 yes Nov 13 20:39:37 The application being the SIP 'sign on' application. Nov 13 20:39:41 if wireshark works as expected Nov 13 20:39:56 Yes, if the transistors are all aligned. Nov 13 20:40:09 Wireshark works when I send web traffic. Nov 13 20:40:32 ok, then there's something odd with the libsofiasip or whatever Nov 13 20:40:56 netstat should tell you if it opens port5060 Nov 13 20:41:31 o if some other process keeps that port occupied in which case it may fail on trying to open a network socket Nov 13 20:42:10 also check if maybe parts of SIP sstack got autoremoved by apt, this happens occasionally. Nov 13 20:42:18 mompls, pointer follows Nov 13 20:42:19 DocScrutinizer: netstat shows no line containing 5060. Nov 13 20:42:38 might be decoded to SIP Nov 13 20:42:56 5060 beng standard SIP port Nov 13 20:42:59 being* Nov 13 20:43:20 DocScrutinizer: yes, but I don't know how to check whether the SIP stack is in one piece. Nov 13 20:43:30 mompls Nov 13 20:43:59 Ok, I am going to assume for the next 10 seconds that's a package name. Nov 13 20:44:35 E: Couldn't find package mompls Nov 13 20:45:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip Nov 13 20:45:34 momENT plEAsE Nov 13 20:46:44 the above tmo doesn't have a comprehensive list op components involved in SIP stack, but the problem I described there is known Nov 13 20:46:53 rtcom-accounts-voip-support is already the newest version. Nov 13 20:48:36 DocScrutinizer: my problem is slightly different from what is mentionded there. Nov 13 20:48:43 mentioned* Nov 13 20:51:52 DocScrutinizer: not surprising to you, I have no idea how I can get SIP to work again, if it ever worked at all. Nov 13 20:53:18 well, that's all I can think of atm. No idea what's wrong then. You're sure your SIP registrar/server URL does resolve? Nov 13 20:56:35 DocScrutinizer: I can ping it from the phone without issues. Nov 13 20:57:41 just a question to make sure: you haven't entered sth like "http://sipprovider.com" to the SIP config? Nov 13 20:58:13 DocScrutinizer: no, I entered username@sip.linphone.org in the Address field. Nov 13 20:58:14 Pali:yeah, i know that, although I have never thought it will work. Nov 13 20:58:39 DocScrutinizer: and some other fields in exactly the same way as Sicelo. I also tried it with 3 VOIP providers. Nov 13 20:59:24 DocScrutinizer: for example like this setup: http://www.ippi.fr/index.php?page=sip_parameter&lang=44 Nov 13 21:01:21 i have both keep-alive* at Auto. Nov 13 21:01:30 Sicelo: yes, I also tried that. Nov 13 21:01:41 freemangordon: I asked stskeeps if he can help with harmattan gst-dsp source and he wrote me that If I have harmattan device I can ask for source code Nov 13 21:01:41 rly: I'm short of ideas. Should work. You *might* strace the telepathy libsophisip or whatever it is that does SIP. Nov 13 21:02:01 DocScrutinizer: I only know how to strace binaries. Nov 13 21:02:08 DocScrutinizer: can I also strace libraries? Nov 13 21:02:24 well, you can trace the binary that uses the lib Nov 13 21:02:36 freemangordon, but I do not own N9/N950 but I tried this method with someting for Maemo Nov 13 21:02:50 DocScrutinizer: which binary corresponds to the GUI? Nov 13 21:02:59 pali: we had a short discussion on #harmattan which resulted in estel sent a mail to Nokia already. lets see what they will answer Nov 13 21:03:15 re gst-dsp from harmattan Nov 13 21:03:22 DocScrutinizer: that is the SIP GUI part. Nov 13 21:03:29 nice, now we can wait... Nov 13 21:03:31 sorry not sure, probably the dieale ris rtcomm-dialer-ui, but that one only talks via dbus to the telepathy stack afaik Nov 13 21:03:34 i miss lcuk Nov 13 21:03:34 yep Nov 13 21:03:48 the dialer is* Nov 13 21:03:50 at least for maemo it works Nov 13 21:03:58 fremantle Nov 13 21:04:37 we can try send request for other closed fremantle packages Nov 13 21:04:39 * ZogG sign Nov 13 21:04:51 night Nov 13 21:04:53 full list is on: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages Nov 13 21:04:55 ps ax | grep sip -> 11926 user 7340 S /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip Nov 13 21:05:09 DocScrutinizer: rtcom-accounts-ui.launch gives a Segmentation fault. Nov 13 21:05:36 pali: sure, ask them for BME :p Nov 13 21:05:42 ui <-dbus-> /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip Nov 13 21:05:57 :D:D Nov 13 21:06:15 NOOOOO we don't want to get BME Nov 13 21:06:24 DocScrutinizer: executing that command as root gives me no result. Nov 13 21:06:33 the world is a better place without source for that POS Nov 13 21:06:33 joerg: why is that? Nov 13 21:06:37 ahaa Nov 13 21:06:54 with only binary? ok. Nov 13 21:07:24 the crap in this source code might be highly contagious Nov 13 21:07:32 How do I spell apt-file search /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip on the N900? Nov 13 21:07:45 apt-file isn't installable here. Nov 13 21:07:53 apt-cache search Nov 13 21:08:20 DocScrutinizer: returns empty result. Nov 13 21:08:41 IroN900:~# ps ax | grep sip Nov 13 21:08:43 11926 user 7340 S /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip Nov 13 21:08:48 DocScrutinizer: the file does exist. Nov 13 21:09:08 ps ax | grep sip Nov 13 21:09:10 1827 root 2088 S grep sip Nov 13 21:09:24 So, I don't have that running. Nov 13 21:09:35 your /telepathy-sofiasip process is not started Nov 13 21:09:47 that explains why it doesn't send anything :-D Nov 13 21:09:50 pali: seems KP SR bug is gone, will try tomorrow to send you a new patch Nov 13 21:10:00 ok Nov 13 21:10:06 DocScrutinizer: I started it now, but it exited automatically. Nov 13 21:10:10 SR for vdd1 for 125-900 Nov 13 21:10:35 hmm seems it's quiting instantly, probably due to some mis-config Nov 13 21:10:41 DocScrutinizer: it exits with an exit status of 0. Nov 13 21:10:43 I suggest reflashing Nov 13 21:11:05 DocScrutinizer: I then have to reinstall everything, right? Nov 13 21:11:23 DocScrutinizer: why do you think that BME source code is horrible? did you looked at it? Nov 13 21:11:25 Or can I make a backup to make it slightly less worse? Nov 13 21:12:36 Pali: almost Nov 13 21:13:34 rly: maybe deleting all accounts and then purging and reinstalling of telepathy/sofiasip may help Nov 13 21:13:51 btw, how is state of kernel module for battery charging? Nov 13 21:14:05 DocScrutinizer: what is the package name of telepathy? Nov 13 21:14:06 of course you also can make a backup, and restore that after reflashing, but test SIP before you do the restore Nov 13 21:14:16 rly: sorry, no idea Nov 13 21:14:19 afk Nov 13 21:18:13 Reinstalling was useless. Nov 13 21:19:50 reinstalling without some "tricks" will keep all the config files Nov 13 21:20:26 I think the "trick" is to purge, or maybe there's an option --delete-config or sth Nov 13 21:20:52 a mere uninstall keeps all the config files Nov 13 21:21:20 heh, just made an ippi.fr sip account and am signed in from n900. u got other problems rly. Nov 13 21:21:58 Sicelo: I am thinking that it simply doesn't work over usb. Nov 13 21:22:12 Sicelo: because without USB it at least tries to connect. Nov 13 21:23:00 But the real problem is that Nokia engineers apparently thought they were perfect and didn't provide a proof of why things don't work. Nov 13 21:23:38 u tried wifi? Nov 13 21:23:39 A program must either perform its task or it must show a proof of its preconditions being wrong. Nov 13 21:24:23 Sicelo: is that program DocScrutinizer was talking about running on your device? Nov 13 21:24:37 which one? Nov 13 21:24:49 Sicelo: ps ax | grep sip Nov 13 21:25:02 Sicelo: that should return something containing telepathy Nov 13 21:25:20 yes, have that Nov 13 21:28:58 What is responsible for starting that binary? Nov 13 21:29:41 Sicelo: what does ps aux | grep telep say? Nov 13 21:30:49 has telepathy-ring, sofiasip, gabble (3) separate procs Nov 13 21:31:15 Sicelo: except for ring nothing is running here. Nov 13 21:31:20 i am online on gtalk, linphone, and ippi Nov 13 21:32:15 Sicelo: if you kill sofiasip and start it, does it exit after some short time? Nov 13 21:33:06 How do I even reset that application completely? Nov 13 21:33:11 I purged it, but that didn't help. Nov 13 21:34:46 I found it. Nov 13 21:37:22 Or not. Nov 13 21:38:00 rly: you are using USB networking to access internet? Nov 13 21:38:05 DocScrutinizer: yes Nov 13 21:38:12 mompls Nov 13 21:38:34 If I mv .rtcom-account .rtcom-accountbackup it still finds my 'accounts'. Nov 13 21:38:50 I even observed that the data from the accounts is in .rtcom-accounts. Nov 13 21:39:06 Don't mention the s which is not in the first line. Nov 13 21:43:16 rly: please check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications - USB networking by default isn't recognized by maemo system as a working internet connection, you need that stuff mentioned there or libsofiasip will think there's no way to talk to internet. This is a hypothesis of mine, not certified knowledge Nov 13 21:44:10 DocScrutinizer: I have one of those libraries installed. Nov 13 21:44:25 was worth a shot Nov 13 21:44:29 DocScrutinizer: apt-get install libicd-network-null Nov 13 21:44:33 DocScrutinizer: I have that one. Nov 13 21:44:54 DocScrutinizer: I am not sure whether I executed _all_ the commands there. Nov 13 21:45:15 or you actually found a "bug" in SIP stack Nov 13 21:45:55 DocScrutinizer: and nobody will ever fix that, I suppose? Nov 13 21:49:02 It is still even under warranty. Nov 13 22:09:52 rly: USB networking is not a promoted property of the device, so SIP not working over USB network is neither. But that's why we all decided to get a maemo device and not an iPhone: we are usually free to fix it based on community effort Nov 13 22:11:28 DocScrutinizer51: that might be true, but it is still not acceptable for software to fail silently. Nov 13 22:11:55 though I'm not yet convinced there's actually any "bug" in this, might as well be a missing config tweak Nov 13 22:12:32 Programs are theorem proving machines in my world. Nov 13 22:12:48 rly: I tend to agree with you on error reporting in maemo usually being suboptimal Nov 13 22:14:05 * cehteh rather wonders why SIP over wlan is sometimes jittery Nov 13 22:14:26 cehteh: isn't anything over wlan jittery? Nov 13 22:14:35 everything* Nov 13 22:15:00 hey cehteh Nov 13 22:15:32 When using USB networking, does the status area thingis think internet connection exists? Nov 13 22:15:35 hi doc Nov 13 22:15:51 ShadowJK: for me it does. Nov 13 22:16:03 * cehteh is quite busy these days, we're moving on thursday Nov 13 22:16:31 DocScrutinizer51: thanks for your help. Too bad we haven't reached a full solution yet. Perhaps next time (which won't be soon). Nov 13 22:19:17 [17:08:43] rly: USB networking is not a promoted property of the device, so SIP not working over USB network is neither. But that's why we all decided to get a maemo device and not an iPhone: we are usually free to fix it based on community effort <-- except we're NOT really Nov 13 22:19:27 unless "fix" means "rewrite the entire stack from scratch" Nov 13 22:19:59 [17:12:56] * cehteh rather wonders why SIP over wlan is sometimes jittery <-- wlan seems to have inconsistent latency when there's other devices using it Nov 13 22:20:26 luke-jr: so, I should have gotten an OpenMoko? ^^ Nov 13 22:21:12 rly: OpenMoko never worked afaik Nov 13 22:21:13 I think N900 is a target device for fso now, so... Nov 13 22:21:25 ??fso Nov 13 22:21:30 ~fso Nov 13 22:21:30 rumour has it, fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. Nov 13 22:21:35 mine died before I got to properly try it :| Nov 13 22:22:36 hey, what would you guys consider the best twitter client available for n900? Nov 13 22:22:45 Twitter sucks Nov 13 22:23:16 no, you :3 Nov 13 22:23:22 wlan basically lets a device hog the channel until it gets its message through. On wimax every device wanting to transmit/receive is assigned a limited amount of time regardless of how much data they manage to push through during that time Nov 13 22:23:23 ShadowJK: and does it already work? Nov 13 22:23:30 no idea Nov 13 22:23:41 ShadowJK: is it funded? Nov 13 22:23:53 but my point was that it's probably at same level as a freerunner Nov 13 22:24:42 luke-jr just said that it didn't really work. Not very encouraging. Nov 13 22:58:10 so, i didn't find any working directions to tether the n900's wifi from a wifiess desktop Nov 13 22:58:23 i have working directions now Nov 13 22:58:46 should i make a wiki account? Nov 13 23:00:23 yeah ;) Nov 13 23:09:08 well, i wanted to know how to get it to work, someone else ,ight :) Nov 13 23:35:03 hmmm, someone got the source code for the certificate manager applet... Nov 13 23:35:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 Nov 13 23:38:00 Hello, I got source code of certman control panel applet from NOKIA Nov 13 23:38:04 source code is GPL, so I published it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 Nov 13 23:38:16 O.o Nov 13 23:41:23 Hopefully the CSSU can pull this in and use it instead of shipping the binaries Nov 13 23:41:36 Ok how did this guy get that code and is there anything else we can get? :P Nov 13 23:45:20 Wow. Shouldn't be so surprising...but it is, sadly. Nov 13 23:46:35 * jonwil reads backscroll Nov 13 23:46:53 * jonwil sees talk about BME code Nov 13 23:47:10 hahaha Nov 13 23:47:12 Of all the closed source things on the N900, there are things that would be FAR more usefull as open-source than BME Nov 13 23:47:26 jonwil: like hildon? Nov 13 23:47:33 all of it Nov 13 23:47:35 :) Nov 13 23:47:41 like closed hildon-input-method bits yes Nov 13 23:47:49 and like connectivity UI Nov 13 23:48:07 and like ICD2 Nov 13 23:48:09 connectivity ui consists of what? Nov 13 23:48:34 things like the status bar gizmos for cellular and network status Nov 13 23:48:44 and the "phone" and "internet" control panels Nov 13 23:48:46 just the settings subsection to configure the wifi and phone networks Nov 13 23:48:47 and all that stuff Nov 13 23:48:59 is it not possible to make a new one? Nov 13 23:49:14 no, there is a lot more to it than it looks Nov 13 23:49:23 this includes stuff for network selection Nov 13 23:49:26 and a bunch of other stuff Nov 13 23:49:27 i would assume they are protective of the modem stuff especially Nov 13 23:49:31 bluetooth is also tied into it Nov 13 23:49:43 all this stuff talks to the modem via the cellular services daemon Nov 13 23:50:01 since in the wrong hands such hardware use could be a bad day for gsm providers Nov 13 23:50:13 which is something that doesn't need to be open-sourced, just documented (i.e. the dbus interface to it) Nov 13 23:50:27 The secret cell modem stuff should be in the cellmo firmware Nov 13 23:50:39 MCE source code for Fremantle would be nice also :P Nov 13 23:50:51 talking to the secret stuff sometimes gives away its secrets Nov 13 23:50:57 ;) Nov 13 23:51:45 ok, so publish all the dbus interfaces except those that are sensitive in some way :P Nov 13 23:51:49 I thought all the bluetooth stuff was just bluez (i.e. open)? Nov 13 23:51:58 i cant believe this n900 i got for $250 from ebay is working so well Nov 13 23:52:04 yeah bluetooth is bluez Nov 13 23:52:05 and stuff Nov 13 23:52:10 from cellphonesforever :) Nov 13 23:52:19 but there are connectivity widgets and things (like the bluetooth status bar icon) that are closed Nov 13 23:52:20 the evil n900 seller hahaha Nov 13 23:52:29 mine works beyond great Nov 13 23:53:15 so they should really jusr make it all seperate Nov 13 23:53:24 so the modem stuff is isolated Nov 13 23:53:41 and you have access to the rest of the hardware to make a better ui for it? Nov 13 23:53:54 There's that battery monitor widget replacement. We know how to talk to the hardware, there's code that talks to the hardware charging and to the battery fuel gauge. We don't need bme, at all. Nov 13 23:54:18 oh and also ofono (which is for meego and is open) has pretty much all the cell modem bits Nov 13 23:54:18 i think the reason nokia has it closed in such a way is to prevent the community doing a better job than they did Nov 13 23:54:23 including anything "secret" Nov 13 23:54:29 and turning maemo into something people want :) Nov 13 23:54:32 lol Nov 13 23:54:56 because then people will ask... why couldnt nokia do that when they were doing it? Nov 13 23:55:39 especially the ui ... if you made the ui something as intuitive for the cattle as android or ios... people at nokia are getting fired Nov 13 23:55:52 I can easily come up with a list of ~10 pieces of software that, if open sourced or devel/documentation/etc packages released, would really benefit the N900 and ongoing work by myself and others. Nov 13 23:56:08 write to nokia and ask :& Nov 13 23:56:10 :) Nov 13 23:56:16 worse they'll say is no Nov 13 23:56:23 I wouldn't know who to ask Nov 13 23:56:31 send it to elop Nov 13 23:56:34 or what to say :P Nov 13 23:56:40 lol Nov 13 23:56:47 there was a "process" once for doing it via bugzilla Nov 13 23:57:28 yeah, there are about 20 unresolved bugs, most of which have no response Nov 13 23:57:38 or maybe just a generic "fremantle is dead" response Nov 13 23:59:37 How to find a contact with the phone number in contacts? Nov 14 00:01:01 ooh good, I think http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1079565&postcount=4 means I can include libconnui.so and libconnui_cell.so in my libconnui-dev package and not force users to have to copy those files from the phone... Nov 14 00:05:46 Is it possible to find a contact in contacts if I only know the cell phone number? Nov 14 00:11:54 oh well, I can remove "Clone certificate manager applet" from my "possible-todo" list now :) Nov 14 00:17:38 damnit Nov 14 00:17:47 i need 4 3TB hard drives Nov 14 00:17:52 stupid taiwan Nov 14 00:18:36 i bet that near-slave labor isn't looking so cheap now is it? Nov 14 00:28:29 LaoLang_cool: sure, as dialer does same on inbound calls Nov 14 00:29:20 DocScrutinizer51: how to do it? Nov 14 00:29:36 mompls Nov 14 00:30:09 DocScrutinizer51: what does mompls mean? Nov 14 00:30:17 ~mompl Nov 14 00:30:17 it has been said that mompl is a stupid short form for "moment please" Nov 14 00:30:28 DocScrutinizer: oh, thank you Nov 14 00:31:57 sth along http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60526&page=3 Nov 14 00:35:39 actually http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990571#post990571 Nov 14 00:36:34 just edit a few lines like the one >> if c.get_property("nickname") == options.nick_name Nov 14 00:39:51 DocScrutinizer: wow, so technologic Nov 14 00:40:03 I like this way ;p Nov 14 00:40:23 is it possible to get sms from cli? Nov 14 00:40:38 So I can search for some string in sms Nov 14 01:00:04 LaoLang_cool: you can access the sqlite3 database in /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger Nov 14 01:01:31 anyone know what "acting dead" means? Nov 14 01:04:02 NIN101: too professional for me... Nov 14 01:05:22 How to tar files excluding the soft links in current dir? Nov 14 01:17:30 * jonwil will talk to pali next time he is on, find out how he got certman applet source and whether there is other stuff we can ask for via the same means Nov 14 01:28:05 * LaoLang_cool is looking for a pic viewer that can show the original picture size... Nov 14 01:43:15 who knows, maybe we can convince nokia to release connui-common, connui-cellular, connui-internet, connui-wlan & connui-bluetooth. Or libimlayouts & hildon-input-method-widgets. Nov 14 01:43:32 Now that we know there is a possible way to at least ask, its better than it was before :P Nov 14 01:49:09 LaoLang_cool: find dirname | while read file ; do [ -L $file ] || echo $file ; done | sed '1d' > packing ; tar cvz -T packing -f archive.tar.gz Nov 14 01:50:12 NIN101: Thank you guru! Nov 14 01:53:32 yw Nov 14 02:02:31 jonwil: act_dead is init 2(?) aka charging state when device is "off" Nov 14 02:02:43 ok Nov 14 02:02:49 iirc init 5 Nov 14 02:08:45 jonwil: I wouldn't get my hopes up Nov 14 02:09:00 yeah I am not Nov 14 02:09:06 the source pali has isn't on par with the released version of the applet Nov 14 02:09:07 but hey, it certainly cant hurt to try Nov 14 02:09:13 hmmm ok Nov 14 02:17:44 but even incomplete or older source would be extremely valuable to me in some cases :P Nov 14 02:23:14 jonwil: N810 BME and gpsdriver would be invaluable Nov 14 02:23:30 that has even less chance of happening than anything for the N900 Nov 14 02:24:26 but… can't hurt to ask? :D Nov 14 02:24:58 :P Nov 14 02:26:15 in any case when I see pali, I will find out what happened and how he got code (and what the story is with the code not patching PR1.3/PR1.3.1) Nov 14 02:29:08 it does mean though that the code isn't that usefull for CSSU Nov 14 02:46:50 hi, which files are the sms's db? I want to backup it Nov 14 02:59:30 * SpeedEvil imagines the whole internal repository leaking. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 14 02:59:57 2011