**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 17 02:59:57 2011 Nov 17 03:03:22 I want n9 :C Nov 17 03:03:37 beford: I don't. Nov 17 03:03:53 give me yours Nov 17 03:03:54 :· Nov 17 03:03:55 :3 Nov 17 03:04:21 don't have one. Nov 17 03:04:37 also, just because I don't want one doesn't mean I wouldn't put it to good use if I had one :p Nov 17 03:06:45 No cellphone I know of can have a lens and sensor size good enough to beat even a low-mid tier digital camera without making the phone too fat Nov 17 03:06:59 haha, yea, well I am not even sure if I should get one, so hopefully the n900 will stay with me for a while Nov 17 03:08:21 jonwil: phones suck. Nov 17 03:08:30 if it fits in my pocket, it's not too fat. Nov 17 03:08:42 … well ok, I need to be able to type with one hand too Nov 17 03:22:06 jonwil: I disagree Nov 17 03:22:07 Ok Nov 17 03:22:08 Oh Nov 17 03:22:13 luke-jr: just said that Nov 17 03:29:07 :P Nov 17 05:38:31 has anyone tried installing any other os on n900 Nov 17 05:38:35 like gentoo? Nov 17 05:40:59 sure Nov 17 05:41:01 This certificate manager dialog stuff is going nowhere, the dialogs are too complex and have changed too much since 0.0.9 :( Nov 17 05:42:04 sat20501: best progress thus far http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo Nov 17 05:46:18 i m starting on this project now Nov 17 05:48:24 can some one guide me on how to create custom rootfs for n900 Nov 17 05:49:25 hmm, robbiethe1st's thread on backupmenu might help. Though you can't create a bin file exactly like how nokia did Nov 17 05:49:51 Apparently Stskeeps wrote it on his blog and robbiethe1st later pointed it out Nov 17 05:50:05 hmmm Nov 17 05:50:23 1. boot n900 2. become root 3. touch /zzz 4. your rootfs is now custom Nov 17 05:50:43 thx Nov 17 05:50:45 :D Nov 17 06:01:14 slonopotamus: hahaha Nov 17 06:04:01 I want to put a shortcut on desktop, which runs screen-n900 in xterm, but don't know how to do it? Nov 17 06:07:45 LaoLang_cool: i think you can find where desktop shortcuts are stored and look inside them. i'm more than sure they contain commandline to run Nov 17 06:08:46 though... i'm not sure xterm (you're talking about stock terminal app?) has and arg to run specific command in it Nov 17 06:08:55 *has an arg Nov 17 06:09:11 slonopotamus: Which DE n900 is running? Nov 17 06:09:56 LaoLang_cool: hildon :-/ Nov 17 06:09:57 slonopotamus: If I can get the file, I'll know how to write it to run the screen on xterm :) Nov 17 06:10:36 only a .hildon-application-manager on home dir :( Nov 17 06:11:33 LaoLang_cool: i think hildon uses .desktop files from /usr/share/applications/hildon Nov 17 06:13:33 slonopotamus: nice, thanks, will try it, I've located the icons on desktop Nov 17 06:20:37 not as easy as I thought... I've made a screen.desktop, but don't know how to let it shown on the desktop.. Nov 17 06:35:45 sat2050: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900 Nov 17 06:37:45 checking it now thx Nov 17 06:38:05 but i want to use emmc Nov 17 06:38:23 and i am thinking of a way to access it without booting Nov 17 06:39:05 err? Nov 17 06:40:09 * psycho_oreos guesses its something similar to either a chroot setup or a virtualised environment. Neither of which are possible Nov 17 06:41:27 * DocScrutinizer is tempted to say "use eMMC? sure, we all like to use it. Access it without booting? Now *that* was a nice trick really!" Nov 17 06:43:35 this is why a spare N900 comes in handy :) You won't have to worry about the lack of `phones' Nov 17 06:43:51 not everyone has monies for spare phones Nov 17 06:44:43 i hv a spare one right now Nov 17 06:45:08 and i want to experiment a little since i have never worked on arm devices before Nov 17 06:45:19 contrary, you could just pick up a dump phone at a very cheap price, chuck the SIM card in and voila! you won't have to worry about your N900 not being able to make/receive calls/SMS, etc Nov 17 06:45:33 s/dump/dumb/ Nov 17 06:45:34 psycho_oreos meant: contrary, you could just pick up a dumb phone at a very cheap price, chuck the SIM card in and voila! you won't have to worry about your N900 not being able to make/receive calls/SMS, etc Nov 17 06:46:03 i am not worried about making calls and sms Nov 17 06:46:14 i hv a phone for that Nov 17 06:46:39 do we have an architecture document Nov 17 06:46:42 ? Nov 17 06:46:48 TI has Nov 17 06:46:51 ^ Nov 17 06:48:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware Nov 17 06:49:09 courtesy humble me and SpeedEvil, mostly Nov 17 06:49:47 awesome thx Nov 17 06:49:56 should have searched before posting sorry Nov 17 06:50:37 bah, my N900 work is going nowhere. The connectivity UI logic is just too complex to clone, as is the certificate manager dialogs library and the nokia maps stuff :( Nov 17 06:55:59 LaoLang_cool, tried something like queenbeecon widget or desktop execution widget? Nov 17 07:05:41 jonwil, you have an n900 rewrite project going on? Nov 17 07:06:15 no, I am cloning specific useful bits of code Nov 17 07:06:27 where there is benefit to changing things Nov 17 07:07:05 psycho_oreos: thank you! Reading it Nov 17 07:09:11 Hey anyone knows a command to turn on the flashlight on the n900 via command line Nov 17 07:09:47 I can't physically access the n900 but I stream the webcam and the light is off... Nov 17 07:13:47 I'm using ash as my interative shell, how to define commands to run at start-up, is it possible? Nov 17 07:15:09 BigWookie: I think you can start it with " /etc/init.d/flashlight-extra start " to the terminal, but I'm unsure whether it will disable your stream Nov 17 07:15:56 jabis: do I have to install an application for it or can I controll it via dbus? Nov 17 07:16:27 I think upstart handles init stuff LaoLang_cool but I have had issues getting basic things to work. If that doesn't work maybe using the legacy rc way might Nov 17 07:17:46 BigWookie: I thought you were talking 'bout the flashlight app x) Nov 17 07:17:49 psycho_oreos: I mean to run commands at the starts up of ash, not of the OS Nov 17 07:18:04 jabis: I meant the torch on the back itself Nov 17 07:18:42 say, when I start ash, the screen will run automatically Nov 17 07:18:44 BigWookie: I don't think this flashlight-extra will pan out. You might want to have a look into lfocus (or similar) python app though Nov 17 07:19:08 LaoLang_cool, umm ash gets startup pretty much at boot time.. Unless you meant when you for instance when you open up x-terminal Nov 17 07:19:45 psycho_oreos: yes, I mean it, you understand me, thank you ;p Nov 17 07:20:08 when I open a x-term, some commands can be run automatically. Nov 17 07:21:29 psycho_oreos: not really Nov 17 07:22:59 LaoLang_cool, its been awhile since I last used ash, it might be .local or .rc iinm I personally use bash these days Nov 17 07:23:15 DocScrutinizer, well true, but heck it still gets loaded up fairly early :) Nov 17 07:24:15 BigWookie: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ Nov 17 07:24:18 LaoLang_cool: it's like every other shell, either ~/.profile or ~/.login or ~/bashrc or some other file like that Nov 17 07:24:22 oh - Doc beat me to it x) Nov 17 07:24:57 heh .bashrc is for bash imo Nov 17 07:25:04 ahh crap *slaps self in forehead* yeah .profile Nov 17 07:25:17 DocScrutinizer: thanks, it works, thank you psycho_oreos too Nov 17 07:25:27 psycho_oreos: you won't believe it, friggin messybox uses .bashrc too Nov 17 07:25:37 how can i enable filters in Hildon Menu? i use qt Nov 17 07:26:24 DocScrutinizer, that's news :/ ah well I stopped using ash for quite awhile now.. sometimes I really cannot stand how it lacks the ability to glob entities Nov 17 07:26:46 ~meesybox Nov 17 07:26:50 DocScrutinizer, jabis : already found the solution in the lfocus package :) thanks, but now I can't reach the n900 anymore xD Nov 17 07:26:51 ~messybox Nov 17 07:26:51 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Nov 17 07:27:54 though lol busybox is different otoh, it provides tools other than just ash. Ok I'll admit that busybox is crap in general but for every other sense it really has all these extra tools which may come in handy when you're stuck in a bind Nov 17 07:30:09 none of those tools really is a full replacement for the original bit in unix toolbox Nov 17 07:30:24 try ps Nov 17 07:30:32 try top Nov 17 07:30:39 try ls Nov 17 07:30:50 try Nov 17 07:31:14 well no I meant other tools lol, busybox-power provides many tools though Nov 17 07:31:44 busybox ps --help :-( Nov 17 07:32:30 options: , easy to memorize Nov 17 07:33:12 honestly you don't want to use messybox as an interactive shell Nov 17 07:33:54 you have to before you install bash for instance :D Nov 17 07:34:18 well, I can install bash from HAM ;-P Nov 17 07:34:54 but I still will have to use messybox to start bash, or set it as default Nov 17 07:35:42 won't change the result of ps --help though, as that's still messy then Nov 17 07:36:46 so you probably want a number of other basic pkgs as well, like coreutils, procps, less, whatnot else Nov 17 07:36:49 or you could just install bm and not worry about ash ;) though if you screw up your kernel, bootloader otoh :D Nov 17 07:38:27 * DocScrutinizer yawns and points at Nov 17 07:38:30 ~jrtolls Nov 17 07:38:34 ~jrtools Nov 17 07:38:35 well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 17 07:43:57 * psycho_oreos peers in on the page Nov 17 08:01:35 The function of task in n900 is too limited... Nov 17 08:01:46 I even can't add note for it Nov 17 08:27:57 hm Nov 17 08:28:11 idling the n900 looks like it can last 2-3 days Nov 17 08:28:26 even longer Nov 17 08:28:41 i never tried it. ;) i always have to mess with it Nov 17 08:29:05 i 'controlled' my use one time ago, lasted 3 days Nov 17 08:29:48 wow Nov 17 08:29:52 no use at all? Nov 17 08:30:03 but idling completely.. you are looking at at least 5 days.. i forget how long SpeedEvil, or ShadowJK idled theirs Nov 17 08:30:12 about 8 days iinm Nov 17 08:32:34 on idle, mine (with PK47) consumes about 4-5mA. my battery is around 1400mAh, so at idle, that equates to around 240 hours, 10 days ;) Nov 17 08:32:43 no, 280 :P Nov 17 08:34:11 18:32pm up 83 days 15:11, 0 users, load average: 0.61, 0.30, 0.11 Nov 17 08:34:15 it's adhoc wifi and the lcd that seem to be the biggest power-hogs, at least based on my usage patterns. i find it interesting that radio uses more power than playing music Nov 17 08:34:31 wow psycho_oreos \0/ Nov 17 08:35:00 Sicelo, ok ok I lied, I have that N900 on permanent charge lol Nov 17 08:36:11 i understand that..it's the uptime that's impressive..max i have achieved so far is about 8 days uptime.. but then, N900 is my primary device Nov 17 08:38:10 heh I have my N900 as my primary and my spare device as well (I actually have three N900 fyi). Though my primary N900 gets sluggish after 4 days of normal usage, so sluggish that I'm tempted to reboot the damn thing. ShadowJK mentioned that it was to do with the fragmentation of the swap file and suggested a workaround but I have yet to properly try the workaround Nov 17 08:38:57 making me envious, lol Nov 17 08:39:26 I have a photo as a teaser on my tmo signature :D Nov 17 08:53:21 if i set Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation Attribute on top level widget, rotation occurs, but when i tap in text field to type some text it switches to landscape mode and only then shows keyboard, i.e. on-screen keyboard doesn't work in portrait mode. how can fix that? Nov 17 08:53:55 psycho_oreos, yeah? my current n900 have an uptime of 96 days Nov 17 08:54:24 woldrich, spare or primary? lol Nov 17 08:54:30 lock code has to be at least 5 char, too long... Nov 17 08:54:57 I don't care the security much, two width is enough for me Nov 17 08:55:30 psycho_oreos, well it's the primary one, but I seldom go outside, so it's connected to the computer and charging 90% of the day. is that cheating? :p Nov 17 08:56:20 woldrich, heh not cheating but you haven't printed that uptime string ;) Nov 17 08:57:41 when I use it I mostly use it from another computer over ssh :( Nov 17 08:58:03 (Real Keyboard)++ Nov 17 08:59:01 I wouldn't deem those as cheating, heck I hardly use my spare over prolonged periods. My other excuse for not using its keyboard is that I don't want the paint from the keys to drop Nov 17 08:59:01 it's fairly easy to make it unstable enough to crasch by spawning some random gui apps Nov 17 08:59:13 lol Nov 17 08:59:42 my primary N900 has an aftermarket keyboard fyi Nov 17 08:59:50 what does that mean? Nov 17 09:00:01 * woldrich have no idea but is already jealous Nov 17 09:00:03 meaning that its not original, not by nokia :) Nov 17 09:00:21 external? Nov 17 09:00:39 I bet the keyboard was meant to be for replacing fake N900 keyboard pads, but oh well Nov 17 09:01:07 uhhum. Nov 17 09:01:08 nah its the actual keyboard pad on the N900, like when you flip your keyboard out from the device Nov 17 09:01:31 I see Nov 17 09:02:08 heh Nov 17 09:02:09 nothing special, just the original keyboard pad had some paint falling off and as a result the backlight LED are annoying when your tapping away at night in a dark area Nov 17 09:02:26 psycho_oreos: my old one had the same problem Nov 17 09:02:37 and i am sure my new one will as well Nov 17 09:02:43 i need a couple spares Nov 17 09:02:57 Macer, you ever replaced it with an aftermarket for your old one or you never bothered? Nov 17 09:03:03 the paint fades from clacking on it Nov 17 09:03:07 i never bothered Nov 17 09:03:09 hmm - me too. Nov 17 09:03:16 it broke before i did ;) Nov 17 09:03:23 i was just about to Nov 17 09:04:05 I'm trying my best to avoid using hardware keyboard but its just too tempting lol.. whenever touching the warm screen gives you that weird fuzzy feeling simply doesn't turn you on ;) *hint to those N9 lovers who think hardware keyboard is never needed* Nov 17 09:04:28 haha Nov 17 09:04:36 i can't do without the qwerty Nov 17 09:04:45 i am going to order some spares soon Nov 17 09:04:52 i am sure they are fake Nov 17 09:05:00 better fake than none :D Nov 17 09:05:10 right now i just dropped $800 on 4 3TB hard drives Nov 17 09:05:12 sigh Nov 17 09:05:25 that should have cost 600-700 Nov 17 09:06:00 psycho_oreos: true Nov 17 09:06:14 especially since there probably arent too many people making them anymore Nov 17 09:06:19 for now I resort to using SSH over wifi and even touchscreen inputs whenever possible with my N900 Nov 17 09:06:33 i had to return my cover s well Nov 17 09:06:38 the molding was off Nov 17 09:06:49 $20 for messed up molding? Nov 17 09:06:53 cmon china! Nov 17 09:06:57 Macer, heh who knows, with the fake N900 being sold, I'm sure there might just be a little push for demand every so often for spare cloned parts ;) Nov 17 09:06:58 be for real! Nov 17 09:07:06 fake ones? Nov 17 09:07:15 :) Nov 17 09:07:21 do they work? Nov 17 09:07:24 lol Nov 17 09:07:40 of course they do (according to pictures) but obviously they don Nov 17 09:07:45 don't run maemo, etc Nov 17 09:07:52 i would buy a fake one if it worked Nov 17 09:07:53 oh Nov 17 09:07:56 that sucks Nov 17 09:07:59 :) Nov 17 09:08:06 ._. Nov 17 09:08:15 what $800 for 12T? Nov 17 09:08:19 where the hell do you live sir? Nov 17 09:08:22 those are the symbian hacked ones? Nov 17 09:08:29 woldrich: chicago? Nov 17 09:08:35 :) Nov 17 09:08:43 i thought it was expensive Nov 17 09:08:47 is shit that expensive in the states Nov 17 09:08:58 i am paying for taiwan to pump water :-P Nov 17 09:09:11 it is now Nov 17 09:09:20 there has never been a fake N900 sold with maemo on it afaik.. even if the seller deliberately placed fake maemo OS screenshots, the actual device would never be capable enough to run it Nov 17 09:09:29 it should have cost 600-700 Nov 17 09:09:35 not 800 Nov 17 09:09:53 psycho_oreos: so not omap insides? Nov 17 09:10:01 fyi its Thailand that was flooded not Taiwan Nov 17 09:10:08 just cheap old phone hw thrown int an n900 case Nov 17 09:10:17 uhm Nov 17 09:10:44 Macer, I don't know the technicality of the fake N900 neither would I care about fake N900. They're never interesting to ponder too much about in the first place Nov 17 09:10:48 no Nov 17 09:10:53 it is taiwan Nov 17 09:11:13 The dual-SIM harware may be interesting. Nov 17 09:11:30 Also TV receiver. (though that's turned off here now) Nov 17 09:11:38 SpeedEvil: haha Nov 17 09:11:44 wtf Nov 17 09:11:52 better features than an original! Nov 17 09:11:54 :) Nov 17 09:12:35 nobody cares about thailand Nov 17 09:12:44 taiwan has all the WD factories Nov 17 09:12:47 :) Nov 17 09:12:49 Macer, seems like lower part got hit :þ Nov 17 09:13:02 the western part Nov 17 09:13:05 * psycho_oreos points his seagate was made in thailand :þ Nov 17 09:13:23 that is why seagate stock is up 80% Nov 17 09:13:26 :-P Nov 17 09:13:48 And why I'm preparing my spare HDs for ebay. Nov 17 09:14:04 they say it will take almost a year for prices to come back down Nov 17 09:14:11 Macer, you'll get 12T for $600 here :p Nov 17 09:14:23 woldrich: lol.. well.. not here ;) Nov 17 09:14:30 i got it for 800 Nov 17 09:14:54 I have 29T, I've spent around $3500 on it Nov 17 09:14:56 which is cheap now Nov 17 09:15:10 over 3-4 years of time, of course Nov 17 09:15:25 typical 3TB drive is 250 Nov 17 09:15:43 and those are the crappy ones Nov 17 09:15:51 so you know the ones i got are horrible Nov 17 09:15:53 :) Nov 17 09:16:05 yeah all but 3 of mine are, damdadam, external Nov 17 09:16:13 they're quite sexy, too Nov 17 09:16:14 WD 5400 "green" Nov 17 09:16:17 yep! Nov 17 09:16:20 oh Nov 17 09:16:22 most of them are Nov 17 09:16:33 in wd elements casing. Nov 17 09:16:54 well.. i have a synology ds411j Nov 17 09:17:03 needs 4 internal drives Nov 17 09:17:43 i wouldn't do externals :) Nov 17 09:18:07 right now i have this retardedly oversized 10 hard drive dual opteron Nov 17 09:18:59 http://i.japh.se/_/desktop0004.jpg , http://i.japh.se/_photo/mm2tpw.jpg some of the mess :p Nov 17 09:19:08 http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/12/old-file-server-vs-new-synology-ds411j/ Nov 17 09:19:18 I have my external drives in a drawer. Nov 17 09:19:22 Along with a PSU Nov 17 09:19:31 my house would burn down again Nov 17 09:20:08 omg lol! Nov 17 09:20:20 that is why i don't use external drives? Nov 17 09:20:23 ! Nov 17 09:20:29 that poor chess board! Nov 17 09:20:36 haha Nov 17 09:21:25 http://tech.rancorous.net/media/2011/11/wpid-20111111_001.jpg Nov 17 09:21:29 that is why Nov 17 09:21:32 :) Nov 17 09:21:39 12TB in that little nas Nov 17 09:21:41 I dig your hires photo Nov 17 09:22:09 looks like a toaster, a smaller toaster, a wrt54gl and my desktop computer Nov 17 09:22:47 heh Nov 17 09:23:03 yeah.. i am going to use that old server as a workstation Nov 17 09:23:17 after replacing it with that little synology Nov 17 09:24:01 my server is also hugely overkill. But what the fuck, I have 4 of these computers and I have no idea what I should *do* with all of them Nov 17 09:24:11 I only intended to buy 2 Nov 17 09:24:24 i had that problem... best to sell them or throw them out Nov 17 09:24:33 I guess :( Nov 17 09:24:43 i finally came to terms and threw out a lot of my horded stuff Nov 17 09:24:52 like the sb16 Nov 17 09:24:55 :-P Nov 17 09:24:58 you should see my warddrobes Nov 17 09:24:59 the AT psu Nov 17 09:25:01 (no clothes) Nov 17 09:25:02 lol Nov 17 09:25:13 sb16? oh please Nov 17 09:25:30 I still have all the atari 800XL perheperials Nov 17 09:25:36 uh that spelling doesn't look good Nov 17 09:25:49 heh... my 200MHz pentium cpus Nov 17 09:26:00 :) Nov 17 09:26:14 hmm I have some freak of a dual voodoo 2 thingy Nov 17 09:26:23 whoa! lol Nov 17 09:26:35 voodoo2 was way ahead of its time :) Nov 17 09:26:40 it's two physical voodoo2s with a cable Nov 17 09:26:44 yeah Nov 17 09:26:47 i had some Nov 17 09:26:57 AWE32 I still have somewhere Nov 17 09:26:59 with the small ribbon cable to connect them Nov 17 09:27:16 SpeedEvil: the worst ever was the fking mwave Nov 17 09:27:32 i used to beat my head on a desk messing with those things Nov 17 09:28:06 HERE SHE IS http://i.japh.se/_photo/800XL.jpg Nov 17 09:28:29 but yeah. i come to terms every 7 years or so Nov 17 09:28:35 and throw the old stuff out Nov 17 09:28:52 can not throw her out, she's my childhood Nov 17 09:29:15 meh. :) humans are meant to grow up Nov 17 09:29:24 fuck you :) Nov 17 09:29:37 My oldest operating computer is a Z88. Nov 17 09:29:41 A Z80 'laptop' Nov 17 09:30:03 cool. Nov 17 09:30:16 haha Nov 17 09:30:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88 Nov 17 09:30:28 Still boots, with 4AA cells. Nov 17 09:30:47 SpeedEvil, that looks awesome Nov 17 09:31:06 And has a better keyboard than the n9. Nov 17 09:31:19 obviously :p Nov 17 09:32:10 lmfao!! Nov 17 09:32:14 http://www.benheck.com/Games/Atari_800/Atari_800_laptop_5.htm this is so badass Nov 17 09:32:23 wow... that thing was ahead of its time Nov 17 09:32:39 super twisted lcd! Nov 17 09:32:47 what?! Nov 17 09:32:54 psycho_oreos: saw your pics now. all charged, all full, and all cool :P Nov 17 09:33:42 SpeedEvil: external UV light? Nov 17 09:33:48 to wipe eproms? :) Nov 17 09:34:03 yes Nov 17 09:35:25 so... a twofor? Nov 17 09:35:34 get a tan while wiping eproms? Nov 17 09:36:03 It's hard UB, teh ultra-carcunogenic stuff Nov 17 09:46:52 Sicelo, heh, though I'm sure there's always other cooler people out there :þ i.e. those with N950 ._. Nov 17 09:58:04 psycho_oreos: i am thinking n950s are urban legend Nov 17 09:59:02 Macer, as much as you like to deny it, they do exist Nov 17 09:59:23 like aliens? :) Nov 17 09:59:44 like gods Nov 17 10:00:45 hahaha... touche Nov 17 10:01:28 * hiemanshu admires his N950 Nov 17 10:07:00 merlin1991: ping Nov 17 10:15:26 can N900 firmware be downgraded? Nov 17 10:16:00 yes Nov 17 10:16:04 not that anybody want to Nov 17 10:19:02 well, a friend said the latest firmware was broken. but I think I'll just tell him to reflash and perhaps consider CSSU. Nov 17 10:19:16 I mean't firmware->OTA upgrade Nov 17 10:54:12 yes, my Cell Broadcast SMS widget is almost to the point where its ready for CSSU Nov 17 11:45:07 jonwil pong Nov 17 11:45:22 I guess you wanted to ask about the applet, will be done today Nov 17 12:02:39 I took a look at it earlier and figured it out myself Nov 17 12:02:58 having found an example I could study (CSSU notification light applet) Nov 17 12:03:03 it works great Nov 17 12:06:30 great :) Nov 17 12:47:14 now I have run out of things to work on :( Nov 17 12:48:41 my attempts to clone the certificate manager control panel went nowhere Nov 17 12:49:07 as has all my work on the connectivity UI widgets (like the internet status bar item and the " Nov 17 12:49:15 the "phone" control panel Nov 17 12:49:29 http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/17/samsung_tab_patent/ <-- lol Nov 17 12:51:36 jonwil: what about asking author of certificate manager control panel for help? Nov 17 12:53:14 The evidence from the bug suggest that the 0.0.9 code shouldn't have been released and that we shouldn't expect more code Nov 17 12:53:27 could you paste the bug # again Nov 17 12:53:30 I'd like to follow it Nov 17 12:53:53 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12388 Nov 17 12:53:53 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/17/mit_synaptic_chip/ <-- interesting Nov 17 12:53:55 04Bug 12388: Missing source code of certificate control panel applet Nov 17 12:54:33 I doubt we will see any further usefull on that bug myself :P Nov 17 13:05:54 hi Nov 17 13:06:10 is it true that there is no xmpp for harmattan? Nov 17 13:06:24 ah sorry, wrong # Nov 17 13:06:50 is it? :) Nov 17 13:06:52 lol Nov 17 13:07:01 works for me just fine. next! Nov 17 13:15:02 how do I add a user to scratchbox? Nov 17 13:16:24 ah found it /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser Nov 17 13:18:42 * jonwil doubts that asking anyone at Nokia for N900 code of any sort is going to get us anywhere Nov 17 13:22:15 * jonwil doubts that asking even for n9[50] code would help Nov 17 13:25:15 top of my wishlist would be a dev package for libconnui and libconnui_cell :P Nov 17 13:28:25 with just a few packages, I could blow this thing right open and do some serious stuff to it :) Nov 17 13:29:12 but talking about it in IRC wont help, the only way I am going to get what I need is to dig even deeper with IDA and GDB and hope I can figure this crap out :'( Nov 17 14:11:24 * jonwil just found something really cool Nov 17 14:11:40 If you do apt-get install cellmo-headers on the phone you get some NICE header files to look at :) Nov 17 14:15:23 oh wait, those headers match the headers I already found before elsewhere :P Nov 17 14:15:32 so they arent new Nov 17 14:27:30 bah, I think I have exhausted all possibility to figure out how to use libconnui, libconnui_cell and the dbus calls that they use to do their work :( Only hope is for a miracle to occur and for Nokia to publish some things Nov 17 15:19:25 dang, #meego is still 31 users ahead of #maemo, though last night (CET) #meego had less users than #maemo has now ;-D Nov 17 15:19:58 are you aint-meego? Nov 17 15:20:02 * DocScrutinizer should consider cleaning up his autojoin XD Nov 17 15:24:43 30! Nov 17 15:25:46 29 Nov 17 15:36:46 this channel has more conversation though Nov 17 15:41:18 far more :P Nov 17 15:41:26 though we like to got way ot here :D Nov 17 15:47:03 mmmmk, definitely OT, but some of you might find it interesting (Goldelico GTA04 hardware) http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2011-November/000679.html Nov 17 15:47:48 I'm joining the devel team, if that matters in any way Nov 17 15:48:15 Neat! Nov 17 15:48:37 DocScrutinizer: can you summarize in short what it actually is? Nov 17 15:48:56 a omap3530 based kbd-less smartphone Nov 17 15:49:39 does omap3530 have a gpu (drivers) Nov 17 15:49:52 err, does N900? Nov 17 15:50:27 DocScrutinizer: What changed your mind? Nov 17 15:50:30 gpu yes, closed drivers yes Nov 17 15:50:43 * merlin1991 didn't remember n900 is omap3530 Nov 17 15:50:48 neal: hehe, they asked me to finally "join core team" Nov 17 15:50:55 DocScrutinizer: What's your take on gta04? neal: :shrug: neal: on GTA01/02 we did PV runs with a number of devices the number of GTA04 available to order Nov 17 15:51:13 Congrats. Nov 17 15:51:31 sounds better than ericson Nov 17 15:51:49 nah, that's voluntary Nov 17 15:51:59 aka free of dotations Nov 17 15:52:13 ? Nov 17 15:52:13 is there an irc channel Nov 17 15:52:19 except a device of course Nov 17 15:52:28 oh Nov 17 15:52:29 ShadowJK: alas not Nov 17 15:52:48 That's some serious amount of sensors Nov 17 15:52:55 yoh :-D Nov 17 15:53:07 ShadowJK: #gta04 on freenode Nov 17 15:53:15 duh Nov 17 15:55:00 ShadowJK: anyway, I guess best contacts are via #openmoko-cdevel Nov 17 15:55:37 how goes with the plans to print cases? :D Nov 17 15:55:45 hey all, is there a workaround that will enable me to use whatsapp? Nov 17 15:55:59 I wish they hadn't gone with the gta02 case. Nov 17 15:56:09 i ask because a number of my iphone toting pals use it Nov 17 15:56:11 haven't heard about such plans Nov 17 15:56:20 SpeedEvil: ^ack Nov 17 15:56:44 definitely a poor decision Nov 17 15:56:45 vncviewer is bad news Nov 17 16:03:15 u got a job DocScrutinizer? Nov 17 16:03:41 Sicelo: I might start LTE modem development Nov 17 16:03:45 R&D Nov 17 16:04:21 big ups ;) all the best Nov 17 16:05:00 thanks Nov 17 16:06:21 hello Nov 17 16:07:00 hey gvUser101 Nov 17 16:15:34 hello people need some help "again" lol im trying to run SET via desktop shortcut and faced with this error File "/home/user/set/./set", line 68, in Nov 17 16:15:54 anybody have a clue what it means ?? Nov 17 16:16:42 full error is File "/home/user/set/./set", line 68, in Nov 17 16:18:17 traceback (most recent call last):File "/home/user/set/./set" filewrite = file("src/agreement", "w") IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'src/agreement' ..., line 68, in Nov 17 16:18:50 it means there's no file or directory called 'src/agreement' Nov 17 16:19:06 it's a relative pathname, so probably it expects the current working directory to be a rather specific place Nov 17 16:19:20 and if you're running it from a desktop file, most likely the working directory is not what it expects Nov 17 16:19:31 you can specify a working directory in the .desktop file, so I suggest you do that Nov 17 16:19:33 what is SET anyway? Nov 17 16:20:53 sorry im using queenbeecon to run it Nov 17 16:22:01 The Social-Engineer Toolkit (SET) Nov 17 16:22:43 how would i go about setting the working directory using queenbeeon aany ideas Nov 17 16:23:22 I've no idea what queenbeecon is Nov 17 16:24:02 its a customisable widget for n900 , great app ... Nov 17 16:28:17 thanks anyways mgedmin Nov 17 16:31:02 Z3ROC00L, you can always create a wrapper shell script to cd /somewhere; ./someapp, and use your launcher to launch that Nov 17 17:02:37 "Internal Error, application E-Mail closed" sure is one of my favourites Nov 17 17:03:10 seems like someone didn't write his tests. Nov 17 17:06:02 @mgedmin just tryed that now , and im faced with same error ... Nov 17 17:48:58 how do I get symbols ike '-' and '/' to work in easy debian v3d? Nov 17 17:49:15 I commented out lines to make stiky keys work (and they do) Nov 17 17:49:33 but instead of '-', I get Meta + f Nov 17 17:49:44 sorry for possible repost (got disconnected) Nov 17 17:52:01 badcloud: don't see your previous attempt, unless it was more than a day ago Nov 17 17:52:31 but no idea on your question... i'd suspect some keymap issue... Nov 17 17:53:12 r00t|home: I activated sticky keys using this method http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#sticky_keys_hack Nov 17 17:53:30 i didn't even install debian yet Nov 17 17:53:34 ok Nov 17 18:05:30 what is the menu hardware key? Nov 17 18:07:49 the key that normally shows you the menu? :p Nov 17 18:07:58 in the middle that square key thingy Nov 17 18:08:11 Gh0sty: oh, ok Nov 17 18:08:19 I thought that was the power b Nov 17 18:08:36 also if you push long enough? :p Nov 17 18:08:58 Gh0sty: yep Nov 17 18:09:06 didn't know it had a menu function as well Nov 17 18:09:10 thanks Nov 17 18:09:16 O_o Nov 17 18:09:20 wait what? :p Nov 17 18:09:34 Gh0sty: nevermind Nov 17 18:50:37 I can't run the latest maemo 5 update because app manager claims i lack enough space. but i still have about 1GB left on my rootfs - what's wrong? any ideas? Nov 17 18:52:29 nicofs: you don't have 1 GB on rootfs to *start with* Nov 17 18:52:44 rootfs is 227 MB total Nov 17 18:55:52 hmm... it was just something file manager said - anyway, the update is 384kB and i recently deinstalled chromium with 90MB and other apps... i just don't see how there is not enough space... Nov 17 18:57:00 file manager talks about "space for installable apps" so i guess that means the /opt thing... Nov 17 19:00:47 nicofs, protip: temporarily disable all 3rd party app repositories Nov 17 19:00:59 the package lists in /var take up a lot of space on the 200-meg rootfs Nov 17 19:02:54 mgedmin how can i check how much space is left? Nov 17 19:03:09 * mgedmin <-- command line geek; df in an xterm Nov 17 19:05:05 mgedmin it claims 27MB available... that's not enough for 284kB update? Nov 17 19:05:30 depends Nov 17 19:05:59 284>27. Clearly no. Nov 17 19:06:04 if the 284kB update means it's going to replace a 17 MB package with a (17 MB + 284 kB) package, then 27 MB will not be enough to hold both during the update Nov 17 19:07:04 besides, isn't / using some kind of a compressed flash filesystem with science-fictional free space numbers? Nov 17 19:07:10 yes Nov 17 19:07:20 hmm... i can see that - but isn't it a bit un-clever to design it that way with only 230MB available in the first place? Nov 17 19:07:24 I remember getting oodles of free space just by rebooting (apparently it triggers garbage collection or something) Nov 17 19:07:49 well, dpkg is designed to be able to abort an upgrade if it fails in the middle Nov 17 19:07:50 256M was the largest part available at the time Nov 17 19:08:01 it does garbage collect on NAND Nov 17 19:08:22 re-downloading multiple megabytes instead of a binary delta... that's not optimal, yes Nov 17 19:08:53 though if n900 were designed to be optimal, it wouldn't be out yet -- for many years... Nov 17 19:10:25 mgedmin, disabling 3rd party sources just took away another 100kB of space... Nov 17 19:10:48 yeah, might be that garbage collection thing... Nov 17 19:11:00 the n900 was the first time I saw "rm: cannot delete file: not enough free space" thing Nov 17 19:11:08 I think 'sync' also triggers GC Nov 17 19:11:25 try sync and see if the free space numbers go up Nov 17 19:19:33 mgedmin sync gave me another 700kB Nov 17 19:20:47 bluetooth sycn? Nov 17 19:26:42 s/cn/nc/ Nov 17 19:26:43 Sicelo meant: bluetooth sync? Nov 17 19:46:33 hrmpf, writing through sftp sucks Nov 17 19:52:22 yay, syncing music at 280kb/s Nov 17 19:52:24 :| Nov 17 19:57:04 tried running a network process from n900 at the same time, eg ping? Nov 17 20:00:42 you mean kilobits? Nov 17 20:09:23 SpeedEvil: FOAD Nov 17 20:09:31 yay, syncing music at 280KB/s Nov 17 20:09:36 is that better? Nov 17 20:09:54 I was trying to clarify. Nov 17 20:10:15 One is good, one is bad. Nov 17 20:10:25 280KB is still not good Nov 17 20:10:34 err - no Nov 17 20:10:35 it's much better than 280kb Nov 17 20:11:13 Sorry - my mind is dead. I've been writing stuff to send to a tribunal. Nov 17 20:11:26 At 8000 words of legalese that I needed to research. Nov 17 20:11:29 y u no use lawyer? (y°#°)y Nov 17 20:11:30 Depressing. Nov 17 20:11:37 Because it's not possible. Nov 17 20:11:53 Well - it is - but not economically. Nov 17 20:12:03 is there a way to stream *.asx files on my n900? Nov 17 20:12:44 mplayer -playlist *asx IIRC worked Nov 17 20:13:12 in a console? Nov 17 20:13:41 yes Nov 17 20:14:08 Or was it something like downloading the URL mentioned in the asx, and then playing that as a playlist Nov 17 21:47:22 * javispedro buys a BP-4L on amazon Nov 17 21:52:42 is it possible to create hildon menu filters on maemo with qt? Nov 17 21:55:20 seems it's done with QActionGroup... Nov 17 22:49:58 is there a pkg tracking app for maemo? Nov 17 22:50:56 i mean package Nov 17 22:51:05 like usps and ups and fedex :) Nov 17 23:31:20 I dont believe there is such an app Nov 17 23:31:34 Google Nov 17 23:39:12 ok, I think I finally fixed the last bugs in my operator-name-cbs-widget. Nov 17 23:39:18 Anyone who wants to test it is welcome to download http://www.cncmods.net/files/operator-name-cbs-widget_0.1_armel.deb Nov 17 23:39:26 Options you can toggle are in the control panel Nov 17 23:39:47 It should now be displaying the operator name 100% identically to the stock widget Nov 17 23:40:04 after I found not one but 4 missing exclamation marks in my code :) Nov 17 23:43:53 understanding ARM condition codes and stuff can be a pain sometimes... :) Nov 17 23:44:16 thank god for GDB so I can see just whats going on :) Nov 18 00:03:42 does it come with libsmscb.so patch? or is that not needed anymore? Nov 18 00:13:23 it does come with the libsms patch yes Nov 18 00:13:37 that will always be required since Nokia wont be fixing libsms.so Nov 18 00:14:16 if you have an old version installed, you will need to uninstall it first btw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 18 02:59:57 2011