**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 20 02:59:58 2011 Nov 20 03:39:46 probably some app provided by T-Mo, as usual without explicitly mentioning what platform they are meant for (usual bad habit when offering windows programs, seems it proliferates to "app" as well) Nov 20 03:41:40 so the definition of a human being changed from "owns a PC with windoze" to "owns a PC with windoze and a fruitphone" Nov 20 03:41:51 I noticed that my t-mobile SIM has sim-toolkit stuff on the n950 Nov 20 03:41:55 It doesn't seem to work. Nov 20 03:43:19 where and how would you access SAT stuff, under HARM? Nov 20 03:43:36 It's in apps Nov 20 03:43:43 mhm Nov 20 03:43:49 weird Nov 20 03:43:58 'interactive' Nov 20 03:44:08 With something that sorta looks like a black and white SIM Nov 20 03:45:12 now if only I had a SIM with some of that SAT junk on it Nov 20 03:46:46 It doesn't work somewhat - for example, the 'request balance' doesn't do anything Nov 20 03:46:55 hah Nov 20 03:47:16 nice however, does *#67# do sth? Nov 20 03:49:09 on any decent phone you have an option to allow SAT, and to configure if it may work unsolicited or only on interactive event, etc Nov 20 03:50:20 I guess "request balance" just would send sth like *111# Nov 20 03:52:12 probably on HARM disabling SAT functions is sth that aegis will protect users from Nov 20 03:59:33 'call divert not active' Nov 20 03:59:44 In a popup. Nov 20 03:59:58 good, so at least this works as expected on that device Nov 20 04:00:33 so I gather *111# et al USSD should work as well Nov 20 04:01:49 which in turn might mean there's a bug in SAT API not allowing it to "dial" *111# or whatever, to "get balance" Nov 20 04:02:29 I'd not be surprised Nov 20 04:02:35 111 doesn't do anything. Nov 20 04:02:47 It sits there at 'requesting' Nov 20 04:02:57 Possibly. Nov 20 04:03:01 dunno what's your provider's 'number' for bal Nov 20 04:05:24 *100# *101# *110# *111# *120# all can be found somewhere for some provider Nov 20 04:06:15 dunno if there are even USSD codes >199 or if that's forbidden by specs Nov 20 04:07:08 00..99 anyway are reserved for network control codes Nov 20 04:08:12 aah I forgot: some providers seem to use *#nnn# Nov 20 04:08:44 which is somewhat more sane and inline with the way control codes work Nov 20 04:09:37 Hmm. Nov 20 04:09:47 I should look it up - but going to sleep. Night! Nov 20 04:09:56 night SpeedEvil Nov 20 04:10:17 what's your provider? Nov 20 04:11:10 (damn, I used to know it) Nov 20 04:38:07 t-mobile Nov 20 04:38:11 (for that SIM) Nov 20 04:38:15 (uk) Nov 20 04:46:15 for t-mo I think it was *101# Nov 20 04:47:57 ooops, *100# Nov 20 06:27:56 I want to replace the 3.5mm jack on my n900. What do you guys recommend? Nov 20 06:30:52 not doing it Nov 20 06:31:28 Why? Nov 20 06:34:19 luke-jr Nov 20 06:34:46 internetishard: because it's fine as-is and if you break it, you're screwed? Nov 20 06:35:57 "don't fuck with it if its not broken" concept? :) Nov 20 06:37:57 I agree the original's quality is good enough Nov 20 06:38:28 Lisening to the music is a so good feeling with it Nov 20 06:39:49 I broke it Nov 20 06:39:52 Why am I screwed? Nov 20 06:39:57 and it be re-soldered? Nov 20 06:40:51 i have to keep moving the headphone jack to make it stereo and it doesn't detect headsets anymore Nov 20 06:41:04 those two variables combined convince me that it is hardware and not software Nov 20 06:46:25 :( Nov 20 07:14:30 internetishard: the 3.5mm receptacle isn't soldered Nov 20 07:15:20 DocScrutinizer what do you recommend? Nov 20 07:15:29 it's a replaceable part, a block pf plastic with some gold plated springs Nov 20 07:15:40 I recommend Nokia care center Nov 20 07:15:52 what'll they do? Nov 20 07:16:08 dismantle, swap, reassemble Nov 20 07:16:20 change it out for some price? You think they'd give me a new one to use a while? Nov 20 07:16:22 should take less than 30min Nov 20 07:16:40 no fkn way. Any places like that in the US... san fran? Nov 20 07:17:56 I'm not Nokia customer help desk, I have no idea Nov 20 07:18:28 I just can tell you what it takes technically to replace the 3.5mm receptacle Nov 20 07:19:15 Cool, I just can't do without my phone for a day Nov 20 07:19:23 I'll look into it Nov 20 09:22:17 hi guys Nov 20 09:22:28 can someone help me with bash? Nov 20 09:23:56 i'm creating a bash script to keep the battery life, it will be a daemon that check the battery state and that disabls some features like (wifi etc) Nov 20 09:24:21 i have the code but i have a problem with a some lines Nov 20 09:31:46 this is my code http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1126246&postcount=1 it has to write a profile in a txt file, but just in some cases like if different from silent mode Nov 20 09:32:04 can someone help me with that? Nov 20 11:12:36 ~seen pali Nov 20 11:12:40 pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 4m 37s ago, saying: 'X-Fade, maemo package interface still not see two new versions of kernel-power, please look at it'. Nov 20 12:44:27 I pinned a package before, with /etc/apt/preferences, but can't remember how to do it any more, so I'm just following what I previously did by rote. Can someone explain the following line please: "Pin: version 20.2010.36-2maemo13*" --what is the asterisk at the end for? Nov 20 12:53:29 dead? Or am I just not connected properly? Nov 20 12:53:36 infobot Nov 20 12:53:47 infobot answer me to show you hear me Nov 20 12:57:53 kwtm2: not dead here Nov 20 12:58:09 I guess the * is a wildcard for anything Nov 20 12:58:27 Hey, it's merlin1991! You're the guy who's hosting the repositories in case the main maemo repository goes down. Nov 20 12:58:33 At least, for the CSSU updates. Nov 20 12:58:51 cssu, extras and extras-devel :D Nov 20 12:59:16 I tried to do apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr but it said there was no such package. Is there a reason? Is it down? It's reachable by web browser. Nov 20 12:59:28 What I mean is, http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ is reachable by web browser. Nov 20 12:59:48 is it in your katalouge still? Nov 20 12:59:56 I've upgraded CSSU before, about a year ago, but pinned the package so new bugs wouldn't get me. Now I want to upgrade to the latest but somehow I can't. Nov 20 13:00:18 merlin1991: Yes, I still have this in a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cssu.list : Nov 20 13:00:37 "deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free" Nov 20 13:01:04 apt-cache poliy mp-fremanlte-community-pr tells you anything? Nov 20 13:01:43 When I do apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr it says // Installed: 20.2010.36-2maemo13 // Candidate: (none) Nov 20 13:02:15 It also says this: // 20.2010.36-2maemo0 1001 // 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Nov 20 13:02:27 Does that mean it hit a 500 error while searching? Should I just try again? Nov 20 13:04:25 Oh oh. I did apt-get update again and got this: "GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF". Maybe that's why it's pretending that CSSU doesn't exist. Nov 20 13:05:58 Hmm... Google search seems to indicate that this is not related to my problem, just saying that some old deprecated package is no longer signed, but it doesn't seem to affect me. Nov 20 13:07:57 merlin1991: Is your repository still at http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community-testing/ ? Nov 20 13:08:10 yes Nov 20 13:11:59 where i can find what's new on this update ? Nov 20 13:13:33 When I try to apt-get update, I get "W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )" even after I put in your mirror, so it must be my own setup. Nov 20 13:13:48 Juozapas: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Nov 20 13:15:18 thx Nov 20 13:18:30 kwtm2: do you have extras-devel enabled? Nov 20 13:18:53 what is your "distribution" value for it if you have it enabled? Nov 20 13:19:41 merlin1991: Oh! Is that what it is? I made sure I had extras, but not sure about extras-devel. Somehow it's not just disabled, it doesn't even show up (at least not in Faster Application Manager). Maybe I'll go back to the original App Manager --I only have to put up with it once a year when I update CSSU, anyway. Nov 20 13:19:55 merlin1991: Not sure about "distribution" value. Is that the pin priority? Nov 20 13:20:04 nope Nov 20 13:20:13 that's is part of the cataloge definition Nov 20 13:20:26 s/'s// Nov 20 13:20:27 merlin1991 meant: that is part of the cataloge definition Nov 20 13:21:56 merlin1991: Not sure where to find it. I am now checking if extras-devel is enabled. It's has taken about 60 seconds so far in App Manager and still waiting (a nice reminder of why I can't stand that piece of software). Nov 20 13:22:44 :D Nov 20 13:23:06 you'll see it there when you finally have the different repos listed there Nov 20 13:23:44 merlin1991: Aha. extras-devel failed to refresh; also has error: "Hash sum mismatch" http:// ... /binary-armel/Packages.gz" Oh, you mean which version of distribution. It's fremantle-1.3 Nov 20 13:24:01 Will re-enable extras-devel anyway and see if it refreshes. Is this necessary for CSSU? Nov 20 13:25:41 [Notice] -kloeri- [Global Notice] Hi all, it's time to continue our ircd upgrades so we'll have a few netsplits as wolfe and hubbard is restarted. It will be somewhat noisy with just shy of 4000 people affected but shouldn't take long. Thank you for using freenode. Nov 20 13:26:24 kwtm2: it is not necessary Nov 20 13:26:30 starting with 317 Nov 20 13:26:44 but change the distribution to fremantle on extras -devel Nov 20 13:26:49 then you get rid of that one warning Nov 20 13:30:25 merlin1991: Ok, so for now I'll ignore the warning (it has a few issues of its own that I dont' want to get sidetracked on) but the question is why doesn't apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr show an upgradable package? Nov 20 13:30:53 Ohhh... wait. There's an error in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Geez! Nov 20 13:31:27 It says "20.2010.36-maemo16.8" but I strongly suspect that it should say "20.2010.36-2maemo16.8" (with a "2" in front of the "maemo") Nov 20 13:31:48 kwtm2: apt-cache search community Nov 20 13:32:32 I'm pinning to a non-existent package version because I was asking for a version that doesn't have the "2" in front of the "maemo". Will try again. Nov 20 13:33:00 does built-in mail client support topic mode? Nov 20 13:34:42 kwtm2: http://paste.debian.net/146369/ Nov 20 13:36:09 ping freemangordon Nov 20 13:36:31 DocScrutinizer: Thx for the paste. That's the same thing I got when I did apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr. That's where I finally noticed that the current version had "2" in front of the "maemo". I thought "500" meant "version not found" but I guess it means something else. Nov 20 13:36:42 freenode -kloeri- seems to love the suspense :-P Nov 20 13:37:08 Can I go correct the error in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog ? It's a wiki page, right? Nov 20 13:37:14 AIUI 500 is priority Nov 20 13:37:33 ~seen freemangordon Nov 20 13:37:34 right Nov 20 13:37:41 freemangordon is currently on #maemo (2h 26m 2s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 25m 3s, last said: '~seen pali'. Nov 20 13:39:38 why was infobot disconnected? Nov 20 13:43:45 ping X-Fade Nov 20 13:45:21 kwtm2: are you still editing the page? Nov 20 13:45:48 merlin1991: No, I made about 4 separate edits but can't be bothered to change all dozen or so mistakes. Nov 20 13:45:54 merlin1991: Do you see the changes? Nov 20 13:45:58 k I'll do it then Nov 20 13:46:02 yeah I see them Nov 20 13:46:15 but I was wondering if you're still editing since made single commits Nov 20 13:46:15 My CSSU is updated. Yea! I suppose I'll need to reboot or something... Nov 20 13:46:26 yeah reboots should be done :) Nov 20 13:47:09 I have to re-update the hildon-desktop transitions file to disable some fancy but useless stuff ... and then reboot. Looking forward to portrait mode orientation lock! Nov 20 13:48:20 kwtm2: hildon-desktop does not overwrite the transitions file andymore Nov 20 13:48:32 so unless you had it enabled already it's not going to get enabled :) Nov 20 13:49:56 merlin1991: Well, it asked me if I wanted to overwrite, and I told it to do so, after I backed up my old transitions file. So I'm using vimdiff to put my changes back in, without losing new features (like this blurless_saturation value that wasn't there before). Nov 20 13:50:12 ah k Nov 20 13:50:21 when you install from ham you don't get asked Nov 20 13:50:25 I saw a client the other day with a N900. What a rush! He said, "You've heard of it?" and I said "I just bought my second one." Nov 20 13:50:50 but it rather creates a transistions.ini-dpkg file wich is the new one shipped with the package Nov 20 13:51:15 Thank god for vim, and for the N900's ability to run vim! Nov 20 13:52:00 It doesn't run on any other smartphone, does it? My wife has an iPad2 and the built-in editor is such a hassle to use. :P So much for apple products being easy to use. Nov 20 13:52:50 @kwtm2 I pulled my N900 out in a pub quiz the other day and got asked what it was, when I said it was a N900 running Maemo they said they considered getting one and what Nokia had done with WP was stupid. A joyful moment to find not only someone who knows about N900s...but cares about the OS. :) Nov 20 13:53:47 mr_jrt: Very nice. :) Nov 20 13:54:22 mr_jrt: Nice to see someone who sees the value in an orphaned product. I'm getting a 2nd one because I'm scared to death of losing my current one and having my life grind to a halt. Nov 20 13:55:04 I have a 2nd dev one whose cellular doesn't work...perfect for reflashing and buggering about with et al whilst keeping a working phone :) Nov 20 13:55:52 merlin1991: Are you editing the wiki? You put "2-maemo" but it should be "2maemo". Nov 20 13:56:05 * merlin1991 headdesks Nov 20 13:56:49 poor desk. But thx for the help. How about I edit the last 2 and you do the first 3? Nov 20 13:57:30 fixed Nov 20 13:57:39 boy that was fast. :) Nov 20 13:57:42 nah I did them all at once Nov 20 13:57:50 on the right side there is an edit button Nov 20 13:57:58 then you get the whole page instead of a section Nov 20 13:58:12 wow ;-P Nov 20 13:58:21 How? I didn't know you could do that. I don't see any edit button. Do I need Javascript turned on? Nov 20 13:58:42 Wait, I *do* have JavaScript turned on. Nov 20 13:59:03 it's next to history etc Nov 20 13:59:05 there's navigation with a few buttons, below that is views Nov 20 13:59:06 Ohhh.... under the Views heading. I didn't know that's what it was. Ok. Nov 20 13:59:09 and in views there is edit Nov 20 13:59:31 Geez, I feel like the guy who spends half an hour filling a salt shaker through the tiny holes. Nov 20 13:59:40 :D Nov 20 13:59:42 ROTFL Nov 20 14:00:26 Hmm... let me edit here .... "DocScrutinizer is a poopiehead" ... Save changes ... there we go,. Nov 20 14:00:29 :P Nov 20 14:00:52 dude, you made my day with your salt Nov 20 14:00:58 :-) Nov 20 14:01:54 I'm just waiting for App Manager to disable extras-devel again before I reboot. 1 minute down, 4 minutes to go ... :( Nov 20 14:06:56 I dont' suppose there's a way to disable that annoying flashing yellow icon in the status bar that tells me I have updates to my packages? (which I don't want. I'm happy with the versions of the packages I have already.) Nov 20 14:08:42 @kwtm2 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check Nov 20 14:09:37 thx mr_jrt Nov 20 14:10:11 Hey, what happened to portrait lock? I thought the newest CSSU had portrait orientation lock available? Nov 20 14:11:33 Darn, I'm still getting that floating point exception error. I thought the CSSU update would fix that. So it's an unrelated error, then. Half my apps don't work because of that error. Nov 20 14:15:41 o.O Nov 20 14:16:25 Ohh, I see. There was never any portrait lock. There was portrait mode and landscape lock. Nov 20 14:17:29 kwtm2: what did you install actually? CSSU16.8, Tmaemo1 aka CSSU17, or even merlin1991's S eval repo? Nov 20 14:18:10 However, I see now that the UI no longer jumps out from portrait back to landscape when the portrait-orientation physical tilt of the device is less than 20 degrees. "Gee, you're not tilting it enough to keep me in portrait mode! You must be just about to go back to landscape mode, so why don't I just rotate back to landscape right now to save time? Oops, now you're tilting 21 degrees --I guess I better go back to portrait mode!" Nov 20 14:18:11 and afaik it's orientation lock, which AIUI should lock all to the *current* orientation Nov 20 14:18:45 DocScrutinizer: I did PR 1.3.3.7-10.8 which is 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8 (09.09.2011) Nov 20 14:19:04 So it's the next-to-most current one, I think --there's a Tmaemo1, but I wasn't sure what that was. Nov 20 14:19:25 hmm, so you should already get an update to T17 Tmaemo1 Nov 20 14:19:29 So with that rotation setting fixed to a more sensible value, maybe I won't need portrait lock any more. Nov 20 14:19:48 DocScrutinizer: What do you mean? I pinned it. I don't want new bugs coming up. 10.8 seemed like a stable release. Nov 20 14:20:00 hmmpf Nov 20 14:20:16 Is Tmaemo1 better? I didn't see it on the changelog. Nov 20 14:20:45 Anyway, I am totally beat (and sick besides) so I am going to hit the sack pretty soon. Nov 20 14:20:45 that's cause it's all new Nov 20 14:21:04 and yes it's supposed to be "better" Nov 20 14:21:32 has a nice bunch of bugfixes and very few new potentially broken stuff Nov 20 14:21:56 it actually has nothing new but fixes to existing bugs afaik Nov 20 14:22:12 kwtm2: it's not on the changelog because I didn't have time todo the changelog yet Nov 20 14:23:01 kwtm2: it's like 12h old Nov 20 14:23:09 merlin1991: Oh, ok. Will check it out but I was actually trying to solve this asciiportal-won't-run and other-app-won't-run bug. Once that's worked out I'll see about upgrading to MerlinMaemo. :) Nov 20 14:23:39 merlinmaemo is yet another thing Nov 20 14:23:48 what's the actual bug you're having? Nov 20 14:24:37 [2011-11-20 15:09:34] Darn, I'm still getting that floating point exception error. I thought the CSSU update would fix that. So it's an unrelated error, then. Half my apps don't work because of that error. Nov 20 14:25:02 * DocScrutinizer does o.O again Nov 20 14:25:04 When I run certain apps, nothing happens. Like asciiportal, but also some other apps --will check which ones right now. But when I try to run them from command line, it says "floating point exception" and exits. Nov 20 14:25:19 I guess that error msg doesn't show when I try to run from the GUI. Nov 20 14:25:41 "floating point exception" is a rather wide error description Nov 20 14:25:53 I guess you might have a thoroughly messed up kernel/rootfs Nov 20 14:25:55 maesynth is another one Nov 20 14:26:57 incompatible Qt build maybe, or a fsckd glibc Nov 20 14:27:18 Well ... once, someone told me to upgrade and then reflash -- "it always works". I said "wasn't that risky? I'll go google" and he said "no, reflashing is easy --just back up and reflash". I said I'll ask opinions of the other people on this channel, and he said "we all say reflash. Just do it." Nov 20 14:27:29 I did it, and got an error flashing, so I had to restore. Nov 20 14:27:37 I hate know-it-alls in IRC. Nov 20 14:28:07 well, reflash is usually safe Nov 20 14:28:52 Yes, but for that instance it was an unnecessary risk. Oh, I remember now, I was going to resize my partitions to increase the size of ext3 and shrink the VFAT partition. Nov 20 14:28:54 if reflash fails you're in serious trouble and a restore can't usually fix this Nov 20 14:29:25 DocScrutinizer: Well, the fact that "this would only happen if you're in serious trouble" didn't prevent it from happening. Nov 20 14:29:59 Anyway, all that's in the past, and it would be more productive to see where I fscked up my system. Any ideas what the next step sould be to figure out what's wrong? Nov 20 14:30:26 you fscked up your system when you did a half-done reflash Nov 20 14:30:47 reflash again and make sure it works as supposed to Nov 20 14:32:16 DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure that was caused by a half-done reflash. I was able to reflash the ... what are the two parts again? kernel and flashdrive. Well, I flashed the kernel ok, but the flashdrive didn't reflash properly, so I restored drive contents. (Funny thing .. .the old drive contents were still there, but I just had to make sure nothign was corrupt so I restored.) Nov 20 14:32:47 kwtm2 there are 2 parts in the n90 Nov 20 14:32:53 s/n90/n900/ Nov 20 14:33:01 based on your error description I only can speculate and tell what *might* have been affected: kernel can be inconsistent, partitioning may be messed up so partitions may even overlap, restore might have resulted in arbitrary system bits being messed up, incl kernel modules Nov 20 14:33:02 the 512 mb rootfs wich you would overwrite when flashing Nov 20 14:33:11 and the other thing where the rest of the data is Nov 20 14:33:46 it's generally *safe* to flash following the instructions @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Nov 20 14:34:13 Hey! Maesynth works! I have been apt-get upgrading the rest of my system. Maybe it's just that some lib needed upgrading and I haven't yet? Will try asciiportal again. Nov 20 14:34:30 there's also a hopefully good explanation about what are those two parts Nov 20 14:34:31 merlin1991: I've flashed before, successfully. (even wrote a script on my laptop to do it, I was doing it so often.) Nov 20 14:34:58 yeah I know what the two parts are, just don't know the names for them. I hadn't done it for almost a year. Nov 20 14:35:11 cobined and vanilla Nov 20 14:35:17 combined* Nov 20 14:35:41 aka rootfs et al and eMMC Nov 20 14:35:47 Wow. Well, anyway, I'm very pleased to have upgraded the CSSU now anyway. Nov 20 14:35:57 That's it. eMMC and rootfs. Nov 20 14:36:08 i love "Ensure your battery is fully charged" point especially when recovering from reboot loop with a reflash Nov 20 14:36:23 Anyway, I have to get up again in 2.5 hours so I better get some sleep. Thanks a lot guys! Nov 20 14:36:25 slonopotamus: :) Nov 20 14:37:19 slonopotamus: it also has proper description about symptoms when battery is too weak Nov 20 14:38:20 and explanation that a bootloop may result from trying to flash a system with weak battery, and that you're busted then Nov 20 14:40:42 kwtm2: honestly I'd suggest to do a proper clean reflash, with rootfs and patched eMMC image for your changed partition size, then upgrade tp CSSU, then use mass storage mode to restore MyDocs, and system backup app to "restore" system Nov 20 14:42:44 keep a backup of ~user, maybe by copying it to /MyDocs (don't copy ~user/MyDocs into ~user/myDocs/userHOMEbackup/ though!) Nov 20 14:59:14 anyone know the best way to contact javispedro? Nov 20 15:23:30 wait till he joins here Nov 20 15:23:55 ~seen javispedro Nov 20 15:24:06 oops Nov 20 15:56:34 just send him a message through the forum "email this person" link Nov 20 15:56:37 sent Nov 20 16:44:24 I doubt this is a more direct way to get in touch with him :-) Nov 20 16:46:04 povbot: seen javispedro Nov 20 16:46:04 DocScrutinizer: javispedro was last seen in #maemo 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: s/thought/wondered Nov 20 16:47:03 DocScrutinizer: where is infobot? Nov 20 16:47:16 she's out for shopping Nov 20 16:47:32 got upset on the netsplit and took some time off Nov 20 16:50:30 O god - I deleted one app and catorise threw a fit. Now the main apps menu says there are no apps at all. I guess I really need to reflash, but I can't do it for another week. Nov 20 16:53:13 kwtm2: I dunno about catorize as it was unbearable when I tried it first - so I went for apmefo and that one has a "save" function that rebuilds the custom apps menu from scratch each time. I've seen similar effects when I dared to "edit" (aka drag icons) in app menu directly rather than using apmefo for that task Nov 20 16:53:34 DocScrutinizer: So, apt-get install apmefo? Nov 20 16:54:34 err, I'd not suggest that as probably it would conflict with catorize. But I suggest you *somehow* start catorize to edit something and then see if that recreates your menu Nov 20 16:56:14 This is so embarrassing. So, catorise is functional again. I wonder what I did? I didn't seem to do anything. :P I'll let things settle down again before I figure things out. Nov 20 16:56:55 Anyway, I found that apt-get dist-upgrade would show errors like "upstart pre-depends on busybox 3.6.1 but it won't be installed" and meanwhile the current busybox version is 3.10.2 Nov 20 16:56:56 :P Nov 20 16:57:19 apt-get dist-upgrade is ***DEPRECATED*** Nov 20 16:58:32 as it is known to break your system in exactly the way you found out about, or another similar one Nov 20 16:59:41 that's why you ought use HAM for such things like dist-upgrade, kernel management etc, all stuff that really is >>installing a silly app Nov 20 18:38:28 wooow. CSSU update ;D does it work? Nov 20 18:40:25 just certification security update? should be no problem, or? Nov 20 18:43:31 cssu or nokia? Nov 20 18:43:56 sorry, changelog was old Nov 20 18:44:01 I mean the new CSSU Nov 20 18:48:36 oh I see it now eichi Nov 20 18:48:43 it says it needs nokia PC suite Nov 20 18:48:45 :| Nov 20 18:51:27 okay? Nov 20 19:05:54 beford: RTFM Nov 20 19:07:09 no :3 Nov 20 19:08:40 beford: Q: I can't update, as I get the message: TO UPDATE YOUR DEVICE TO THIS VERSION OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM YOU MUST USE NOKIA PC SUITE ON YOUR PC. CONNECT THE DEVICE TO YOUR PC VIA A USB CABLE AND LAUNCH THE APPLICATION. Nov 20 19:08:40 A: RTFM. Specifically, see the banner at the top of this page(!): the message is misleading. In the majority of the cases, it is either needed to free up some disk space or fix some conflicts with other packages. Before taking any action, check the "Problems" tab in the dialog for more details. Nov 20 19:09:02 check the Problems tab! Nov 20 19:09:15 yea i saw it there, libqtsomething Nov 20 19:09:19 its ok :P Nov 20 19:11:36 merlin1991, maybe we should change that stupid "PCSUITE" message in HAM, it is very misleading indeed Nov 20 19:11:43 yep Nov 20 19:12:00 I'll try to do it for the next version Nov 20 19:12:01 do you want to build a patch? Nov 20 19:12:11 :) Nov 20 19:12:11 make it that the problem tab appears instead Nov 20 19:12:19 yep, will try Nov 20 19:12:51 or the contents of the problem tab to appear as banner Nov 20 19:14:38 yeah Nov 20 19:17:54 Or get some translators and change it Nov 20 19:18:27 and write what instead? Nov 20 19:18:32 go back and check problems tab? Nov 20 19:18:33 :D Nov 20 19:25:46 Yeah, that sounds do be easier Nov 20 20:01:58 Need to do a presentation at uni, subject ideas anyone? Nov 20 20:03:26 managing a community repository Nov 20 20:03:52 or lusers in the open source world, the maintainers worst nightmare Nov 20 20:17:25 MohammadAG: Hi! Just upgraded CSSU to the newest 2maemo version (not counting the Tmaemo1 from Merlin that's less than a day old). Nov 20 20:18:06 MohammadAG: I seem to recall, talking to you about a month ago, that you were working on a battery status icon for the status line that would show when battery was charging, e.g. a USB icon overlap. Nov 20 20:18:06 What version is that Nov 20 20:18:23 Hmm? Nov 20 20:18:42 Oh, for host mode probably Nov 20 20:18:52 I did clone the stock battery applet but that's it Nov 20 20:19:08 I didn't push it into the cssu since it doesn't cover everything yet Nov 20 20:19:28 MohammadAG: That was to replace the current icon which looks just like the "battery almost gone" and "battery half full" and "battery full" applets, unless you stare at it for 5 seconds to see whether it's changing. Nov 20 20:19:44 Oh, okay, so it was expected that I didn't see it. Ok, then. That was part of the motivation for update. Nov 20 20:19:59 Ah, my clone does that but since it's open you can. Nov 20 20:20:04 Change that behaviour Nov 20 20:20:13 I hate the battery icon. I can't tell if I've plugged in my car charger properly, and I have to stare at it while I'm driving. Nov 20 20:20:34 In fact it gives me ideas Nov 20 20:20:56 How do I change it? Nov 20 20:21:07 Get me a stock-like full battery with a USB logo overlaid on it in png format and I'll hopefully do it tomorrow Nov 20 20:21:21 So it's gconf-igurable Nov 20 20:21:35 Also, how do I change how long I have to sit on a key before the N900 says, "Oh! You've held down the key for an hour! I guess you want me to backspace and replace that character with the equivalent of Fn+key!" Nov 20 20:21:46 My clone lacks sounds and doesn't detect full charge btw, but the rest works Nov 20 20:22:03 No idea, Fran's Nov 20 20:22:10 frals might know Nov 20 20:22:16 Wait, so is that part of CSSU or it's a separate package? Nov 20 20:22:31 Which? The battery? Nov 20 20:22:41 It will be included in the cssu once done Nov 20 20:23:30 battery. Ok thx. Nov 20 20:24:04 Source till now is https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/src/status-area-applet-battery.c Nov 20 20:25:03 meanwhile you could change notification type of charging LED pattern from "only whe tk_lock" to "allways" Nov 20 20:25:38 Yeah, that's why it doesnt annoy me I guess Nov 20 20:25:43 lemme test that, takes a minute Nov 20 20:25:52 kwtm2: btw Tmaemo1 is not from me Nov 20 20:26:03 Smaemo1 will be from me Nov 20 20:27:08 merlin1991: Sorry, got mixed up. Nov 20 20:29:04 MohammadAG: look at my merge request for that battery status menu Nov 20 20:29:56 Pali I did lots of changes locally and fear you'll have to rebate the patch when I push tem Nov 20 20:29:58 Them Nov 20 20:30:09 That's why I haven't merged it Nov 20 20:30:20 ok, push your changes Nov 20 20:30:31 and then I rewrite my patch Nov 20 20:30:41 Also, you guys probably know this by heart: in what directory do I put files so that they will show up as icons on my desktop from which I can launch programs? (I realize I can't just put any old file there, but I'll look at the files already there to see what format it needs to be in.) Nov 20 20:31:24 /usr/share/applications/hildon Nov 20 20:33:15 thx Nov 20 20:33:24 MohammadAG: can you create on gitorious CSSU repository for my tvout plugins? Nov 20 20:34:03 my local git repository is based on project maemo-tvout-control Nov 20 20:35:33 so, usb mode isn't a default option? you need to install different kernel/modules? Nov 20 20:35:48 kwtm2: change in /etc/mce/mce.ini: PatternBatteryCharging=50;5... PatternBatteryFull=40;5... The 5 at "end" Nov 20 20:36:27 who has permitions for creating new repository on gitorious CSSU? Nov 20 20:36:28 kwtm2: after "stop mce; start mce" on next plugin of charger your LED will always show charging/full Nov 20 20:42:27 for the N810, was there ever any stable hostmode (since I'm running into maemo.org's bug 3281 amongst other things)? Nov 20 20:42:29 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3281 Sporadic lockup/reboot when USB host software releases peripheral Nov 20 20:43:33 and I've not been able to turn up a result on whether it got anywhere past "using scripts" Nov 20 21:38:19 kwtm2: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1126539#post1126539 Nov 20 22:07:29 Hey, is mce the thing that detects whether the N900 is charging? Sometimes I plug in the N900 to the car charger, and the N900 detects this on the microUSB port; but the other end is poorly connected to the car and there is no current/voltage. Then the N900 decides that this connection is not a charger connection. Then I seat the car charger properly and now there is enough voltage, but the N900 doesn't realize it can now charge Nov 20 22:07:30 and refuses to charge. Nov 20 22:07:50 If I do stop mce && start mce will it make it check the charge again? Or is it something else that can trigger? Nov 20 22:43:43 kwtm2, it's bme Nov 20 22:46:08 stop bme; start bme Nov 20 22:46:27 might not result in what you hoped for, but at least doesn't kill anything :-D Nov 20 22:48:33 mce is machine|mission_control_entity, and controls screen backlight, LED, kbd slider and backlight, orientation, whatnot else Nov 20 22:50:11 ke-recv-test might be interesting Nov 20 22:50:48 ke-recv-test c - enable charging mode Nov 20 22:51:14 at - send USB attached signal Nov 20 22:51:33 de - send USB detached signal Nov 20 23:43:05 does mer do voice calls on n900 yet? Nov 20 23:43:51 or is there any way to have a recent os and do calling on n900? Nov 20 23:57:17 Latest version of MeeGo should do voice calling AFAIK Nov 20 23:57:24 or whatever its being called this week Nov 21 00:05:36 lol Nov 21 00:05:51 meego, thats where i'm a viking Nov 21 00:05:56 :/ Nov 21 00:05:57 wiretapped: Microsoft/Nokia killed N900 Nov 21 00:06:31 luke-jr: say it aint so Nov 21 00:06:36 (i'm well aware) Nov 21 00:07:03 hence my asking about community supported dists Nov 21 00:11:43 is meego actually ready to be run as the only OS on an n900 yet? Nov 21 00:49:47 know this may sound like a silly question but does the n900 simply not support screen pinching? Nov 21 00:50:03 ie: only 1 screen input max? Nov 21 00:50:03 Nope; single-touch display Nov 21 00:50:07 ok Nov 21 00:50:30 robbiethe1st: backupmenu doesn't back the kernel up? Nov 21 00:50:36 Nope. Nov 21 00:50:46 and reflash based on which kernel is for which img Nov 21 00:50:49 ah ok Nov 21 00:51:00 that explains what happened then Nov 21 00:51:09 Well, if you have the stock kernel flashed, any backup will work Nov 21 00:51:11 will it be added? Nov 21 00:51:17 i didn't Nov 21 00:51:24 i installed power kernel Nov 21 00:51:32 if you have a non-stock kernel flashed, you have to make sure that the backup contains the kernel drivers for that version kernel Nov 21 00:51:45 but tried to bring back one i backed up with stock Nov 21 00:51:55 One way you can get around it is to flash the kernel via USB flashing. Nov 21 00:51:57 while the power kernel was still there Nov 21 00:52:07 yeah.. found that out the hard way Nov 21 00:52:12 btw anyone know if the 1.3.1 update touches the kernel? Nov 21 00:52:20 is flasher on the device not a viable option? Nov 21 00:52:36