**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 28 02:59:57 2011 Nov 28 03:00:14 check all the prerequisites as listed above: supl, date, SIM, internet, AGPS enabled Nov 28 03:00:27 yes, will do Nov 28 03:00:40 will also instal location-test-gui Nov 28 03:00:51 yes, strongly recommended Nov 28 03:01:07 best tool to check what's actiually going on Nov 28 03:01:18 * luke-jr stabs MeeGo for having a bad SSL cert and no non-HTTPS Nov 28 03:02:14 Just reporting, full internet access from pc through n900 Nov 28 03:02:18 Yeah! Nov 28 03:03:29 :) Nov 28 03:03:41 A few routing hunches and an /etc/network/interfaces touch Nov 28 03:04:19 ^^ Nov 28 03:04:38 how is your thing going SpeedEvil Nov 28 03:05:29 thing? Nov 28 03:06:03 yeah, your ..doodad Nov 28 03:06:28 What? Nov 28 03:07:35 lol are you working on something Nov 28 03:09:53 wow, CAcert.org spamming me Nov 28 03:20:26 which kernel is more stable ? bfs or power ? Nov 28 03:27:29 power Nov 28 03:28:36 it's questionable if brainfuckscheduler brings any improvement at all Nov 28 03:28:56 anyway it's based on powerkernel Nov 28 03:32:13 and, given the fact it's only the *policy* of task scheduler all this is about, I'm pretty puzzled you obviously can't switch this policy on the fly to establish BFS policy on your kernel, in linux Nov 28 04:37:17 ahhh progress... Nov 28 04:37:34 with supl.google.com I at least get the AGPS fix, which I was not getting before Nov 28 04:37:46 toldya Nov 28 04:37:53 I am indoors, so that will suffice as success for tonight Nov 28 04:38:08 thanks for the help DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil Nov 28 04:38:11 well, what else would you want? Nov 28 04:38:23 :) Nov 28 04:38:36 I remember that it used to get a proper GPS fix in the window I tried it on now Nov 28 04:38:41 but I was not too patient :D Nov 28 04:38:59 I am just puzzled why previously even with supl.google.com it failed Nov 28 04:39:10 an AGPS fix *is* a "proper GPS fix" Nov 28 04:39:11 maybe I did also have a package snafu Nov 28 04:39:44 ok, let me rephrase: a satellite GPS fix Nov 28 04:39:58 the fix I got was of the cell tower ;) Nov 28 04:40:03 AGPS is sattelite based Nov 28 04:40:56 I thought AGPS would take cell tower when GPS staellite was missing Nov 28 04:41:04 nope Nov 28 04:41:27 it takes cell towers for a first rough guestimate about continent you're on Nov 28 04:42:05 then my fix is way off by 6 blocks ;) Nov 28 04:42:10 then fetches GPS efem/alm data for that time&location from supl, and looks for just those sats that are supposed to be there Nov 28 04:42:21 where I *know* there is a cell tower, #just-sayin Nov 28 04:42:50 but anyway it is way better than before Nov 28 04:43:03 now on to actually restore stuff as it was... Nov 28 04:43:09 thanks again Nov 28 04:43:17 in liblocation test gui you can watch the sats with CNR and if they're used or not Nov 28 04:43:22 (if only the USPS had not lost my N9...) Nov 28 04:49:48 Most apps accept the no-gps location fixes. The location system *does* tell apps about the expected accuracy. With pure cell positioning without network access, this works about to 600km for me (baically just says which country Nov 28 04:51:04 Then a server is queried, the server has a database of cell towers and their guesstimated ranges, so that narrows it down to 1000-20000m Nov 28 04:52:14 location-test-ui is cool, because it draws the estimated accuracy as a circle when you tap map :-) Nov 28 04:53:51 Could some of you perhaps help me with this? Nov 28 04:53:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80434 Nov 28 04:54:22 They told me to flash the eMMC but I'm having trouble doing that too... Nov 28 04:59:21 just a note, you may have to idle for a bit Nov 28 04:59:30 SpeedEvil: duh, I just realized why my prev tests seemed to indicate that the GPS TTFF proper moved with SIM card from one phone to other, while the SIMless one failed: time ;-D Nov 28 04:59:31 * wmarone can't help as he hasn't reflashed in a year Nov 28 05:02:03 I seem to remember last time I tried to flash both, it didn't work when I tried to do both without unplugging in between Nov 28 05:02:25 njsf: anyway select Method:AGNSS in Location test app, then start, watch sat count go up (used/seen) Nov 28 05:03:33 oh Nov 28 05:03:49 I just tested with a N900 without SIM -> found sats and got fix in like 60s, only after I set correct date/time. Without that it finds bogus sats and never gets a fix Nov 28 05:04:32 DocScrutinizer: ironic, since GPS broadcasts date/time constantly. Nov 28 05:04:40 indeed Nov 28 05:04:47 DocScrutinizer: but are you sure the N900 hadn't cached the sat data from before? Nov 28 05:04:54 yes Nov 28 05:05:14 as this device never seen a GPS fix for last 3 months Nov 28 05:05:23 what if a SIM-less N900 is associated to the wireless network and user running maps software? would it also take forever to get a lock on? Nov 28 05:06:18 not with supl.google.com and correct time, and free sight to sky, and... duh I forgot Nov 28 05:06:29 hmm crap Nov 28 05:06:35 aah, and access to internet Nov 28 05:07:08 guess I'll have to retry, I did it on a gloomy day, same supl server (google.com) and time is very close to the local time. Nov 28 05:07:25 without supl/internet/AGPS-enabled it will take quite a bit longer but will still get a fix eventually Nov 28 05:08:00 btw there's a tool to clear cached data, qgil posted it to bmo or tmo Nov 28 05:08:02 nah it has wireless access and internet access but it still took forever to get a lock on Nov 28 05:08:11 and yeah I placed it outside on the window board Nov 28 05:09:01 indoor result is *very* random, depending on your building Nov 28 05:12:00 my other N900 did get a lock on. Both are associated to wireless and have SIM card in them. One of them has wireless broadband access and the other doesn't. It seems like the one with wireless broadband access and a SIM card never used the wireless broadband to get a lock on Nov 28 05:12:03 * luke-jr got pretty good GPS indoors at his last house, and none here. Nov 28 05:15:04 I get worse indoor results after the new gps constellation Nov 28 05:15:05 psycho_oreos: pretty much possible, sometimes GSM provides even better supl data than supl Nov 28 05:15:21 ~gsm-gps Nov 28 05:15:26 ~gsm-agps Nov 28 05:15:27 rumour has it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Nov 28 05:15:36 not as many in view simultaneously anymore coupled with only westward view of sky from indoors Nov 28 05:16:40 luke-jr: I moved from top flat one floor down same house, and now no more GPS indoors Nov 28 05:17:21 despite this flat has larger windows Nov 28 05:18:39 seems the roof with stone roof tiles was not that much of a blocker for the 1.5GHz GPS signal Nov 28 05:23:51 depends if it's damp or not. Nov 28 05:24:00 ooh yes Nov 28 05:24:01 dry tiles and damp ones Nov 28 05:24:19 was in summer Nov 28 05:24:54 Gah will someone please help? My phone is all messed up and I need to flash the eMMC Nov 28 05:24:54 but I can't do it right... Nov 28 05:25:10 Kosan: just warranty it and get an E7 Nov 28 05:28:59 heh Nov 28 05:29:08 tzztzz, 90s offline and luke-jr trolls Nov 28 05:29:21 ~flash Nov 28 05:29:21 how much are e7s now? hit $200 yet? Nov 28 05:29:22 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 28 05:31:12 DocScrutinizer: it's cuz he called it a phone :P Nov 28 05:31:17 tramp: \O/ Nov 28 05:32:46 well, an offense, but actually I don't agree on "it's no phone". I'd agree on "It's more than just a phone" though Nov 28 05:34:15 my position is more of "it's not a mere phone" Nov 28 05:35:34 well, anyway if it was no phone at all, I'd bash Nokia 3 times around the globe for placing the GSM ant where it is Nov 28 05:36:10 optimal for phone usage, a PITA when holding the device for typing on IRC Nov 28 05:36:56 you should do that anyway. Nov 28 05:37:01 lol Nov 28 05:38:25 if you put gentoo on it it's not a phone :-P Nov 28 05:38:36 yeah :-P Nov 28 05:38:51 I flashed the firmware and immediatly flashed the eMMC but it gets stuck on "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and a frozen loading thing on my N900 Nov 28 05:38:55 What the fuck. ;c Nov 28 05:39:10 Kosan: try on a linux machine as root Nov 28 05:39:18 Guh.. Nov 28 05:39:21 ~flash Nov 28 05:39:21 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 28 05:39:28 i had problems getting it to work on a windows machine Nov 28 05:39:45 I don't really have the time to do this.. Nov 28 05:40:07 :shrug: so why are you wasting *our* time? Nov 28 05:40:09 get an e7 like luke-jr said :) Nov 28 05:40:17 Why Nov 28 05:40:17 how Nov 28 05:40:46 The screen res looks shit Nov 28 05:40:58 I might as well just use my half-broken HTC Desire Z then. Nov 28 05:41:04 ok, one more and I feel kick-happy Nov 28 05:41:14 lol Nov 28 05:41:20 my desire z broke too Nov 28 05:41:27 i had to order a new ribbon cable Nov 28 05:41:33 and housing Nov 28 05:41:36 what a pos Nov 28 05:41:38 My flash and on/off switch broke Nov 28 05:41:43 my lens is scratched to shit Nov 28 05:41:49 ouch Nov 28 05:41:55 htc is garbage anyways Nov 28 05:41:56 The lenscover is a feature I really like on the n900 Nov 28 05:42:07 i dont think they ever made a good quality phone Nov 28 05:42:17 I know this has got to do with the permissions on the eMMC Nov 28 05:42:27 Theres got to be a way to change it on the N900. Nov 28 05:42:55 permissions on the emmc? Nov 28 05:43:02 I don't even know. Nov 28 05:43:07 God damnit ;__; Nov 28 05:43:22 Basically everytime I boot it like resets the icons and widgets and stuff Nov 28 05:43:33 and resets it when I change them Nov 28 05:43:34 well. i know i had issues flashing on a windows box Nov 28 05:43:51 I can't even use Linux Nov 28 05:43:54 I'd try the usual, reboot computer, try different usb ports, etc Nov 28 05:44:01 Kosan: that makes me think your fat3 partition is read only Nov 28 05:44:04 err Nov 28 05:44:05 ext3 Nov 28 05:44:08 would you pretty please bother to read the fine instructive wiki howto about flashing at Nov 28 05:44:11 * wmarone scrubs brain Nov 28 05:44:11 ~flash Nov 28 05:44:12 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 28 05:44:13 I DID Nov 28 05:44:15 I READ IT Nov 28 05:44:23 eh Nov 28 05:44:23 ):< Nov 28 05:44:38 your frowny face is upside-down, dude Nov 28 05:44:38 that page is so messy and confusing even I can't make sense of it Nov 28 05:44:53 meh Nov 28 05:45:21 why u can't use linux? Nov 28 05:45:31 Because I don't know how to use it right. Nov 28 05:45:51 The quickest way I guess would be to install Ubuntu on a flash drive. Nov 28 05:45:55 heh. i dont understand why nokia doesnt still have the flashing utility Nov 28 05:46:03 But then it would get even more confusing for me Nov 28 05:46:09 they make you use this retarded nokia software now Nov 28 05:46:10 trying to flash it from an OS I don't know how to use Nov 28 05:46:18 u don't need to know it so well for this Nov 28 05:46:29 Kosan: download an ubuntu cd and boot from it live Nov 28 05:46:36 and follow the page ;) Nov 28 05:46:38 get a live distro, debian based Nov 28 05:46:46 oh :) Nov 28 05:47:02 Or maybe use Wubi. Nov 28 05:47:07 i know for sure kubuntu does it Nov 28 05:47:10 That would probably be quicker Nov 28 05:47:17 maybe Nov 28 05:47:19 Since I really don't care about this shitty ASUS laptop. Nov 28 05:47:27 all you need to do is go to a shell and type like 3 commands Nov 28 05:47:36 personally i love kde and kubuntu Nov 28 05:47:43 but to each their own :) Nov 28 05:47:48 I liked Linux Mint Debian Edition Nov 28 05:47:56 but it was a pain to configure for my ThinkPad X61 Table Nov 28 05:47:57 t Nov 28 05:48:12 bonus points if you use a distro based on hurd Nov 28 05:48:16 hahaha Nov 28 05:48:25 u can flash from that. resolution doesn't matter Nov 28 05:48:47 jk. hurd would probably not work :) Nov 28 05:49:01 Great now another hour of waiting for Ubuntu to download. Nov 28 05:49:03 i meant Mint Debian edition :) Nov 28 05:49:15 when a user is afraid of touching linux, well... maybe N900 isn't exactly the right device then Nov 28 05:49:27 I'm not afraid of touching linux Nov 28 05:49:31 I'm just in a foul mood Nov 28 05:49:35 where's your mint isos now? Nov 28 05:49:45 On my desktop 1200 miles away Nov 28 05:49:54 heh Nov 28 05:49:59 an hour? Nov 28 05:50:07 Yes Nov 28 05:50:10 An hour. Nov 28 05:50:21 crappy internet? :) Nov 28 05:50:24 Oh yeah. Nov 28 05:50:29 Very crappy. Nov 28 05:50:43 go eat brunch Nov 28 05:50:43 Jeez Nov 28 05:50:44 still better.. took me 2 1/2 days to download a 700MB knoppix iso :P Nov 28 05:50:59 I'm tempted to go on verizon with the Motorola Droid I found now. Nov 28 05:51:02 ):< Nov 28 05:51:19 lol Nov 28 05:51:31 then do it ;) can i buy your n900? Nov 28 05:51:38 But I love that Transflective display on my N900 too much.. Nov 28 05:51:42 i have $20 Nov 28 05:51:48 lol nope. Nov 28 05:52:11 Honestly wish I had the money for a Samsung Galaxy note Nov 28 05:52:11 transflective? Nov 28 05:52:14 Yes Nov 28 05:52:16 yes Nov 28 05:52:21 a buddy of mine wants a note Nov 28 05:52:27 is that thing a phone? Nov 28 05:52:27 or transflexive Nov 28 05:52:33 Yes Nov 28 05:52:34 seems a bit on the large side Nov 28 05:52:37 It's a 5in phone Nov 28 05:52:40 with a Wacom pen! Nov 28 05:52:45 hahaha Nov 28 05:53:23 i mean.. it is kind of huge Nov 28 05:53:36 but awesome Nov 28 05:53:53 perfect, if only it had a hw kbd Nov 28 05:53:54 i want one too... but then afgain.. i already have a transformer Nov 28 05:54:18 get a bt keyboard ;) Nov 28 05:54:24 pffff Nov 28 05:54:32 the one that works with the n9....oh wait... :) Nov 28 05:54:35 nm Nov 28 05:55:04 I recently heard BT kbd work with N9 Nov 28 05:55:11 I like those old Nov 28 05:55:11 bt keyboard would be doable if one had 5 hands Nov 28 05:55:15 Palm folding bluetooth keyboards Nov 28 05:55:21 I want one of those :c Nov 28 05:55:22 ShadowJK: rrright Nov 28 05:55:28 5 hands? Nov 28 05:55:34 my su8w wasnt too bad Nov 28 05:55:44 i could easily touch type on it Nov 28 05:55:56 well.. can. havent used it in a while Nov 28 05:56:08 speaking of which. i need to set it up Nov 28 05:56:09 Macer: one hand to hold screen, one to gold kbd, 2 for typing, one for ... you know what for ;-P Nov 28 05:56:17 well, 4 Nov 28 05:56:18 one to hold keyboard, one to hold phone, two to type Nov 28 05:56:23 hahahahaha Nov 28 05:56:41 the kb has a mount ;) Nov 28 05:57:12 sounds pretty convenient, esp when carried in a holster at your belt Nov 28 05:57:21 I feel bad, I was looking at the MacBook Airs at BestBuy and I almost wanted one :c Nov 28 05:58:19 Owell I'll get a Lenovo ThinkPad X221 Tablet when/if they come out. Nov 28 05:58:43 the su8w is quite pocketable Nov 28 05:59:13 moo dm8tbr Nov 28 05:59:21 mmmooooooo Nov 28 05:59:28 good moaning Nov 28 05:59:48 ~moo Nov 28 05:59:48 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Nov 28 06:00:02 I love that one Nov 28 06:00:20 an apt-get moo a day, keeps the trolls away! or sthg like that Nov 28 06:00:36 I found an acer travelmate C111TCi on our junk pile at work...the only thing wrong with it was a dead battery so I got a new one for 38e, it has this nice emr pen and converts into a tablet, was a nice find :) Nov 28 06:00:45 Methane comes out the mouth - mostly - and if a cow weighs twice as much as you - you need to lay off the bratwurst. Nov 28 06:00:59 yay for dumpster diving Nov 28 06:01:01 lol Nov 28 06:02:58 When I get Ubuntu installed will one of you help me flash my eMMC...? Nov 28 06:04:54 why not use a livecd/liveusb instead of installing? Nov 28 06:05:09 I'm just using Wubi to do it because I'm lazy. Nov 28 06:06:58 waaaaait... Nov 28 06:07:10 ? Nov 28 06:07:35 er Nov 28 06:07:42 * Sicelo wonders if Wubi will make a difference Nov 28 06:07:48 Why wouldnt it? Nov 28 06:07:58 err Nov 28 06:08:00 why would it. Nov 28 06:08:01 wubi just boots the live cd from win doesnt it? Nov 28 06:08:02 asdf Nov 28 06:08:09 I think? Nov 28 06:08:16 isn't wubi the windows installer? Nov 28 06:08:16 It's for people to "Try" Ubuntu I think Nov 28 06:08:17 what's wubi? Nov 28 06:08:19 Yes Nov 28 06:08:27 It just installed Ubuntu alongside windows Nov 28 06:08:30 like a VM, right' Nov 28 06:08:34 ? Nov 28 06:08:34 No Nov 28 06:08:39 It's still a different OS Nov 28 06:08:45 and runs without windows running Nov 28 06:08:49 it just performs the install in windows Nov 28 06:08:50 like a dual boot Nov 28 06:08:50 ? Nov 28 06:09:00 hmm... Nov 28 06:09:00 uhm Nov 28 06:09:10 but there was something about it I think... Nov 28 06:09:23 it lives on ntfs in a file? Nov 28 06:09:40 I have no clue. Nov 28 06:09:47 guess that is ok ... was wondering if it partitioned the disk Nov 28 06:09:57 I seem to remember the difference was that it doesn't repartition etc Nov 28 06:09:57 I flashed the firmware and immediatly flashed the eMMC but it gets stuck on "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and a frozen loading thing on my N900 --- I'd say expected behaviour. If you'd bother to *read* the fine wiki about updating the tablet firmware, you might notice you have to remove battery after flashing rootfs aka combined Nov 28 06:10:25 seems like it would be a lot easier to just boot the cd Nov 28 06:10:32 and run it live Nov 28 06:10:40 Wait.. Nov 28 06:10:40 instead of going theough an install Nov 28 06:10:44 yup Nov 28 06:10:48 So I flash te firmware Nov 28 06:10:54 but i never used wubi so i could be wrong Nov 28 06:10:54 then take the battery out? Nov 28 06:10:56 err.. Nov 28 06:11:07 I saw that earlier but It was confusing. Nov 28 06:11:08 ~flash Nov 28 06:11:09 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 28 06:11:13 READ IT! Nov 28 06:11:19 * Macer hides Nov 28 06:11:19 lol Nov 28 06:12:01 The flash will take a minute or so. Nov 28 06:12:02 Switch off device by shortly removing battery. Nov 28 06:12:08 I don't even get to that point Nov 28 06:18:59 Okay there Nov 28 06:19:04 I have flashed the firmware again Nov 28 06:19:11 what are you talking about removing the battery...? Nov 28 06:20:07 >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:...<< Nov 28 06:21:05 What. Nov 28 06:23:21 >>Repeat same procedure (1. - 6.) for each image to flash (sequence: eMMC first, then rootfs - some mess on rootfs may break eMMC flashing and require sequence rootfs eMMC rootfs again). So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems. Many known problems on PC side - esp "waits forever" / "doesn't find N900" - get fixed with a reboot *immediately prior* to doing the flashing.<< Nov 28 06:25:41 so does that mean: remove battery, start flasher with rootfs/fiasco, plug in n900, insert battery, device is flashed, remove battery, unplug n900, start flasher with emmc, plug in n900, insert battery? Nov 28 06:25:57 yep Nov 28 06:26:51 actually nope, you always should flash rootfs last Nov 28 06:27:55 if flashing eMMC first doesn't work (due to messed up rootfs) then do rootfs, eMMC, rootfs Nov 28 06:30:41 but I just noticed he did the "professional" way of flashing rootfs and eMMC in one step, so this doesn't exactly apply. But then that's why this is called the "method for experienced users" while the one with battery removal etc is called the "foolproof method" Nov 28 06:30:52 anyway, afk now Nov 28 06:33:46 god damnit it gets stuck on the little loading thing after trying to flash eMMC. Nov 28 06:34:20 Kosan_: try the rescue image thing? Nov 28 06:34:43 Rescue image? Nov 28 06:34:50 My N900 boots. Nov 28 06:34:52 nfc what's "the little loading thing" Nov 28 06:34:59 It's those little dots Nov 28 06:35:05 and then it freezes. Nov 28 06:35:38 YES FOOL, THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS(!!!) NEED TO FLASH ROOTFS AFTER FLASHING EMMC Nov 28 06:35:57 But it never successfully flashes Nov 28 06:36:08 It just gets frozen on that loading screen Nov 28 06:36:10 uhuh Nov 28 06:36:18 says who? Nov 28 06:36:19 so I can't flash the Rootfs afterwards Nov 28 06:36:24 what. Nov 28 06:36:24 … Nov 28 06:36:42 you never get to the "loading screen" if you're flashing Nov 28 06:36:56 I thought when flashing the eMMC Nov 28 06:37:03 the little loading dot thing comes up for a minute or so Nov 28 06:37:12 luke-jr: if you flash eMMC with -R you will Nov 28 06:37:19 well don't do that. Nov 28 06:37:24 I didn't put -R Nov 28 06:38:11 btw, I have a bone to pick with whoever optified GNU tools Nov 28 06:38:34 it breaks bootmenu when you make GNU find the default find Nov 28 06:38:41 There has got to be another way to fix my problems without flashing the eMMC since I can't freaking get it to flash. Nov 28 06:38:51 Kosan_: assume it flashed. move on. Nov 28 06:39:01 nfc why you'd need to flash eMMC anyway Nov 28 06:39:07 I've NEVER had to do that Nov 28 06:39:09 idk someone suggested it. Nov 28 06:39:14 I'm having wierd problems Nov 28 06:39:14 just delete /opt and rename /user Nov 28 06:39:25 Wait what? Nov 28 06:39:49 if you delete /opt you lose themes, icons, fonts and a bunch of apps Nov 28 06:39:59 ShadowJK: he's reflashing initfs Nov 28 06:40:02 err Nov 28 06:40:03 rootfs Nov 28 06:40:46 * luke-jr deletes /opt before flashing rootfs Nov 28 06:40:46 rename /user << what is it? Nov 28 06:41:02 Sicelo: your personal files/settings Nov 28 06:41:06 luke-jr is a fool Nov 28 06:41:11 DocScrutinizer: no u Nov 28 06:41:16 /home/user probably Nov 28 06:41:31 ShadowJK: yeah, but we're talking about /home partition Nov 28 06:41:56 the filesystem is probably damaged or maybe even not being used at all Nov 28 06:42:06 flashing rootfs makes optificator run and that one will delete your /opt Nov 28 06:42:22 heck, emmc might have fallen off physically, the information at this point is kinda lacking Nov 28 06:42:34 o . o Nov 28 06:42:51 DocScrutinizer: oh, didn't know that. Nov 28 06:43:02 I can still access.. the 27Gb partition or whatever. Nov 28 06:43:14 Kosan_: without booting? Nov 28 06:43:23 errr Nov 28 06:43:25 Idk. Nov 28 06:43:32 I can access it through the file manager Nov 28 06:43:35 … Nov 28 06:43:36 and with my computer.. Nov 28 06:43:46 IM SORRY I REALL DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. Nov 28 06:43:55 Kosan_: did you try flashing rootfs yet? Nov 28 06:44:01 rootfs. Nov 28 06:44:03 Gah Nov 28 06:44:15 My mind is starting to go completely blank now. Nov 28 06:44:23 I flashed the firmware. Nov 28 06:44:30 …….. Nov 28 06:44:53 i think an n900 was the wrong choice of device for you :) Nov 28 06:45:00 Thanks. Nov 28 06:45:06 Macer: that's why I told him to RMA it and get an E7 earleir Nov 28 06:45:11 heh Nov 28 06:45:12 I don't want an E7. Nov 28 06:45:18 It looks like a crap device. Nov 28 06:45:22 e7 is a nice phone and has a qwerty Nov 28 06:45:32 it is about the same hw as an n900 Nov 28 06:45:32 I'm not going any lower than 800x480 Nov 28 06:45:34 Kosan_: you need a crap device. Nov 28 06:46:06 * DocScrutinizer sighs and heads out Nov 28 06:46:09 I still don't know whether he tried the unplug, removebatt, start flasher, plug, insert battery, remove batt, unplug procdure for both emmc and rootfs Nov 28 06:46:22 I did. Nov 28 06:46:37 it is broken Nov 28 06:46:37 rma it Nov 28 06:46:41 you can't help the symbian troll can't you? somehow E7 must be the love of your life Nov 28 06:47:00 RMA? Nov 28 06:47:02 and it said worked for rootfs but said "waiting for device" over and over for emmc? Nov 28 06:47:04 I've had it for like 5 months Nov 28 06:47:06 and I bought it used. Nov 28 06:47:13 Yes. Nov 28 06:47:14 return manufacturer authorisation or something like that Nov 28 06:47:26 s/manufacturer/material/ Nov 28 06:47:26 I know what RMA is. Nov 28 06:47:26 psycho_oreos meant: return material authorisation or something like that Nov 28 06:47:35 How can I RMA something thats probably a year old. Nov 28 06:47:35 send it to nokia Nov 28 06:47:40 they'll fix it Nov 28 06:47:48 Yeah and charge me $200 Nov 28 06:47:50 2 year warranty in eu Nov 28 06:47:50 and send you E7/N8 instead Nov 28 06:48:14 I'm sorry but why does this device have to be so overly complicated like this Nov 28 06:48:19 I see no reason for it to be. Nov 28 06:48:29 Kosan_: because that's the POINT of the N900 Nov 28 06:48:43 Kosan_; what were the paraneters used when you attempted to flash emmc? Nov 28 06:48:45 it's NOT a phone Nov 28 06:48:47 it's a full computer Nov 28 06:48:48 no its more like the fault of nokia rushing to have this device onto the market Nov 28 06:49:06 psycho_oreos: then abandoning it ;) Nov 28 06:49:09 psycho_oreos: no, I mean the complexity of flashing it Nov 28 06:49:09 I guess I'm just too stupid to operate this device. Nov 28 06:49:12 Kosan_; my guess would be the device is physically damaged Nov 28 06:49:16 let's not forget that part Nov 28 06:49:21 It was working fine earlier today. Nov 28 06:49:23 What the fuck. Nov 28 06:49:34 Macer, that's irrelevant now, its an old story Nov 28 06:49:41 made in china? Nov 28 06:49:47 luke-jr, still it is partly nokia's fault you have to admit Nov 28 06:49:54 you sure it is running maemo? :) Nov 28 06:50:00 psycho_oreos: complexity of flashing is to be expected. Nov 28 06:50:10 normal user with normal device would use the warranty instead of asking a bunch of programmers and electrical engineers for help on using tools normally reserved for repair centres Nov 28 06:50:23 ShadowJK: how could that be? how's flasher telling device is broken when device magically knows it's goinfg to flash eMMC now? Nov 28 06:51:02 ShadowJK: there used to be an easy windows tool for flashing Nov 28 06:51:04 Kosan_, I'd take a short break, make some coffee, then carefully follow the procedure for flashing again, since it seems that there's no certainty that you did everything to the T (I haven't had such problems myself though) Nov 28 06:51:06 luke-jr, I somewhat beg to differ, N900's predecessors only needed one binary file to flash :) Nov 28 06:51:08 what happened to that? Nov 28 06:51:22 err one binary file to use the flasher with Nov 28 06:51:32 nokia has this lame suite crap Nov 28 06:51:34 psycho_oreos: same with N900. no reason to reflash eMMC Nov 28 06:51:57 Macer, heh, I don't recall any 'good' nokia windows tools :) Nov 28 06:52:01 ShadowJK: the effect of flasher waiting forever on "no USB device found" usually is associated with a fsckdup rootfs Nov 28 06:52:20 joga: it was the updater for the n900 Nov 28 06:52:30 it downloaded the latest img and flashed it Nov 28 06:52:36 easy clicky pointy stuff Nov 28 06:52:43 never seen that myself Nov 28 06:52:44 as well as installed the driver for the n900 Nov 28 06:52:52 ShadowJK: the effect of flasher waiting forever on "no USB device found" for eMMC only usually is associated with a fsckdup rootfs Nov 28 06:53:02 i have ;) i promise. it existed Nov 28 06:53:06 lol Nov 28 06:53:25 talking to usb under windows seems pretty hard, I've got a friend with a samsung galaxy that can't update it because the windows tool doesn't work :) Nov 28 06:53:25 i was looking for it a couple weeks ago and nokia no longer has it Nov 28 06:53:30 when I got the n900, nokia's suite couldn't use it, but had a picture of the device. the previous version could use it to some degree though Nov 28 06:53:44 they direct you to some universal device suite crap Nov 28 06:53:49 that doesn't work Nov 28 06:54:14 but it is nokia.. it is what i come to expect :) Nov 28 06:54:31 flashing under windows seems to only work flawlessly if you uninstall or even better never install nokiasuite Nov 28 06:55:08 though I'd expect it to not work for both then Nov 28 06:55:42 heh Nov 28 06:55:49 flashing eMMC involves booting system and exporting a pseudo mass storage device Nov 28 06:55:54 nokia suite doesnt work Nov 28 06:56:15 oh I didn't know it needed to go past nolo for emmc Nov 28 06:56:21 at least it didnt work for me. i just walked over to my linux server and flashed it Nov 28 06:56:26 seems it does Nov 28 06:56:27 and it worked :) Nov 28 06:56:50 as flashing eMMC fails if rootfs is fsckdup Nov 28 06:58:33 so that's why flashing eMMC fails while flashing rootfs works: either rootfs is borked, or the exporting pseudo mass storage makes windows act up and load nokia suite drivers that block flasher-3.5 Nov 28 06:59:20 Don't even have nokia suite installed. Nov 28 06:59:39 do foolproof method flash rootfs + emmc + rootfs and you should be fine - if you got no problems on PC side Nov 28 06:59:49 read: a windows PC Nov 28 06:59:57 I read. Nov 28 07:00:10 I guess I will try this in Ubuntu tomorrow. Nov 28 07:00:15 and hope it fixes it. Nov 28 07:00:18 in other news, my N900 won't boot anymore Nov 28 07:00:20 maybe i will make maem.scientiam.org Nov 28 07:00:32 luke-jr: problems with gentoo? Nov 28 07:00:41 maemo Nov 28 07:00:46 with Maemo, even Nov 28 07:01:04 because of gentoo? Nov 28 07:01:08 unlikely. Nov 28 07:01:29 if you say so. everything can be blamed on gentoo when stuff breaks Nov 28 07:01:46 * ShadowJK blames gcc-4.5 Nov 28 07:02:13 hmm this is ugly Nov 28 07:02:20 even the rescue kernel won't boot Nov 28 07:02:51 ShadowJK: I haven't flashed that yet Nov 28 07:03:08 DocScrutinizer: so minicom with N900 ttyACM0 works exactly as pnatd on the device. just that you can't use AT1, etc have to do it the long way, AT+GMR Nov 28 07:03:36 ATI1 Nov 28 07:03:52 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Nov 28 07:03:54 :/ Nov 28 07:03:57 ah. so my mistake :) Nov 28 07:04:32 that's with my GCC 4.4 fremantle kernel I had working years ago Nov 28 07:05:19 Well fuck it. Nov 28 07:05:25 It's HTC Desire Z time Nov 28 07:05:26 goodnight all. Nov 28 07:05:43 lol Nov 28 07:06:06 fk you too! you and your desire z! Nov 28 07:06:10 :) Nov 28 07:06:11 * Sicelo looks longingly at Kosan_'s ts and ribbon cable Nov 28 07:06:27 haha Nov 28 07:06:27 mine wore out Nov 28 07:06:29 crappy htc zhinge Nov 28 07:06:50 i have a new one and a new housing but taking the thing apart is driving me nuts Nov 28 07:07:01 it is incredibly difficult to disassemble Nov 28 07:13:32 i meant his n900 ts and ribbon :) Nov 28 07:13:40 help :| Nov 28 07:14:44 ? Nov 28 07:14:58 N900 won't boot Nov 28 07:15:00 even the rescue kernel Nov 28 07:15:04 Eeek. Nov 28 07:16:06 Tried taking the battery out and putting it back again? (with no USB power) Nov 28 07:17:29 yes Nov 28 07:17:31 many times now Nov 28 07:30:18 :( Nov 28 07:32:24 got the rescue working (I had forgotten the initrd) Nov 28 07:32:32 but don't see any reason why maemo won't boot Nov 28 07:32:49 this vaguely reminds me of how things broke last time I had to reflash it Nov 28 07:32:51 :/ Nov 28 07:33:00 (as in, makes no sense :P) Nov 28 07:33:45 I only edited bootmenu.sh slightly, and that doesn't even get run unless slide is open :/ Nov 28 07:38:24 hmm, VERY odd…… Nov 28 07:38:46 with bootmenu.sh run, it creates the bootlog file, but nothing in it… Nov 28 07:41:18 * luke-jr adds a forked process doing sync every 0.1 seconds… Nov 28 07:42:04 nothing still :x Nov 28 07:45:01 free space? Nov 28 07:46:25 ShadowJK: 53 MB free on rootfs Nov 28 07:46:41 ShadowJK: could you bind-mount your maemo / somewhere, and tell me what its /dev has in it? Nov 28 07:47:40 why bind-mount? Nov 28 07:48:13 so you see the real /dev, not the tmpfs Nov 28 07:50:02 * ShadowJK forgets syntax Nov 28 07:51:58 mount --bind / /mnt Nov 28 07:53:40 '-o bind' works too IIRC Nov 28 07:54:08 console core fb* fraw full kmem loop* mem mtd* null port pts ram* random tty* urandom zero Nov 28 07:55:08 dm8tbr: that's longer… Nov 28 07:55:21 just saying... Nov 28 07:55:21 ShadowJK: that's /mnt/dev ? Nov 28 07:55:45 yes Nov 28 07:56:32 hmmmmm' Nov 28 07:56:54 I'm missing a bunch of those Nov 28 07:57:12 what's dev/core? Nov 28 07:57:30 ShadowJK: could you pastebin a ls -l of it? Nov 28 07:57:43 symlink to /proc/kcore Nov 28 07:59:13 http://pastebin.com/QwTEB2B2 Nov 28 08:00:18 sorry, ls -ln Nov 28 08:01:27 http://pastebin.com/GBLMY5BR Nov 28 08:02:14 ty Nov 28 08:11:03 yay, looks like that was the issue Nov 28 08:11:06 thanks ShadowJK Nov 28 08:12:09 * luke-jr ponders how to best automate autorecovery Nov 28 08:16:26 blah Nov 28 08:17:24 …and bricked again Nov 28 08:17:25 x.x Nov 28 08:17:32 seems Maemo hates that gcc45 kernel Nov 28 08:17:41 despite it being the same code Nov 28 08:17:45 * luke-jr peers Nov 28 08:19:53 miscompiled Nov 28 08:26:55 * luke-jr throws a dev.tgz in /lib and has bootmenu extract it :P Nov 28 08:38:28 wow Nov 28 08:38:40 this synology is configuring and building coreutils Nov 28 08:38:44 nice Nov 28 08:38:53 native building ftw :) Nov 28 08:39:19 although the coreutils has to be the longest configure script ever made Nov 28 08:41:05 heh Nov 28 08:41:12 let me go ahead and melt this box Nov 28 08:41:58 almost makes you wish there was a template config.cache for common systems Nov 28 08:43:35 holy crap Nov 28 08:43:45 something during Maemo boot *does* intentionally delete all /dev Nov 28 08:44:04 and with my kernel fails to remake them due to missing sysfs entries Nov 28 08:44:14 cat: can't open '/sys/bus/platform/devices/*_wdt/misc:*/dev': No such file or directory Nov 28 08:44:16 hmm Nov 28 08:44:57 lol Nov 28 08:45:03 gentoo did it! Nov 28 08:45:46 all this just so i can have passwd lol Nov 28 08:46:04 damn synology box with its no passd and not intended for shells :) Nov 28 08:46:08 passwd Nov 28 08:46:09 Macer: no, Gentoo had nothing to do with it Nov 28 08:46:13 Macer: Maemo did it. Nov 28 08:46:14 liar! Nov 28 08:46:34 that is zionist gentoo talk! Nov 28 08:46:56 with your maemo bashing! Nov 28 08:47:30 i have ran maemo forever without /dev getting deleted :) or at least withoug /dev giving me problems Nov 28 08:48:00 you're a mere idiot end user Nov 28 08:56:08 LOL!! Nov 28 08:56:11 mkay Nov 28 08:58:06 Mr. Hack an n900 using what others have worked on in order to get gentoo working without making any real code yourself and expect nokia to send you an n900 Nov 28 08:58:17 :) Nov 28 08:58:32 n950 Nov 28 08:58:37 my bad lol Nov 28 08:59:18 hope they get back to you some day about that but i am sure their exchange recycle bin is expunged once a week or so Nov 28 09:05:50 sudo -s Nov 28 09:06:18 LOL Nov 28 09:06:25 zionist gentoo talk. Nov 28 09:08:09 I'm not very familiar with the maemo core but it uses udev right? doesn't that mean /dev gets generated Nov 28 09:09:34 olume1/homes/mace/temp/coreutils-8.13/src/sort.c:3557: undefined reference to `pthread_create' Nov 28 09:09:38 :( Nov 28 09:13:23 maybe i will just --disable-threads Nov 28 09:13:52 Macer: Gentoo is real code. Maemo is a joke. Nov 28 09:14:31 oh i never said it wasn't .. the question is though.. how many lines have you added to the pot? Nov 28 09:14:40 luke-jr: you're idea is respectable . Nov 28 09:14:45 without maemo you would have never gotten gentoo to boot Nov 28 09:14:55 :) Nov 28 09:16:12 apart from nitdroid and meego, I've not really seen any other distros that could make full and proper use of the N900.. every other distros almost always lack exactly the same thing such as telephone for instance Nov 28 09:16:44 nitdroid is still struggling on the hardware Nov 28 09:16:53 I mean really... in that case installing any other distro on N900 would easily render your N900 into a pure internet tablet minus phone functionality Nov 28 09:16:56 i dont think the phone works still Nov 28 09:17:08 agreed Nov 28 09:17:28 but it still takes the maemo kernel and modules to get the other hardware to function Nov 28 09:17:41 Is there any kind of documentation for how systemui works. I.e. how is systemui.xml generated/used? Nov 28 09:17:52 you lose cam, gps, phone, uhm. there was more but i forget Nov 28 09:18:12 psycho_oreos: debian can make calls now, but no audio is heard. otherwise sms, etc works Nov 28 09:18:32 Sicelo: same with nitdroid Nov 28 09:18:37 they hit a roadblock Nov 28 09:18:45 all non-maemo things did Nov 28 09:18:49 bah, then that would pretty much only leave meego Nov 28 09:18:57 even meego isn't fully functional Nov 28 09:19:01 don't they use something like ofono? Nov 28 09:19:04 on the n900 Nov 28 09:19:08 yes Nov 28 09:19:17 but it has issues Nov 28 09:19:29 :) which i doubt will ever be resolved Nov 28 09:19:47 Macer: many, many more than you Nov 28 09:19:49 oh yeah.. you lose fmtx too Nov 28 09:19:58 luke-jr: liar Nov 28 09:20:16 scripting != code Nov 28 09:20:25 * luke-jr notes fmtx works fine with mainline Linux Nov 28 09:20:34 Macer: good, so you've written no code at all Nov 28 09:20:43 oh. my bad. there is something Nov 28 09:20:50 i can't remember what it is Nov 28 09:21:03 nor have you :) Nov 28 09:21:04 so don't judge lol Nov 28 09:21:14 gentooer Nov 28 09:21:27 btw, luke-jr, gentoo on n900 works well for tablet mode? Nov 28 09:21:55 no! and don't let him sit there and lie to you and say it does! Nov 28 09:21:59 Sicelo: ? Nov 28 09:22:29 define tablet mode Nov 28 09:22:37 just genuine question luke-jr. i'm not on Macer's line of though Nov 28 09:23:00 i'm just messing with luke-jr Sicelo :) Nov 28 09:23:11 Sicelo: define tablet mode Nov 28 09:24:09 use of your n900 without modem-related things... just like the other possible OSes Nov 28 09:25:24 maybe i should ask for a screenshot of your n900 running gentoo Nov 28 09:26:09 i think he is asking if you have a good tablet style wm working on it Nov 28 09:26:55 Sicelo: it'll have to wait. my ext2 went corrupt, and still building stuff Nov 28 09:27:03 I had KDE before Nov 28 09:27:30 nice. Nov 28 09:42:19 FRRRREEEEEEEMAAAAAAAN! Nov 28 10:12:26 hm Nov 28 10:12:39 found out my mboard doesnt go to sleep at all :) Nov 28 10:12:44 not even in win7 Nov 28 10:12:46 nice Nov 28 10:13:20 guess i will just do the whole power down deal. that is lame tho Nov 28 10:14:12 it is kind of amazing that you still have to jump through hoops to get a large volume to work in linux Nov 28 10:14:21 anything for that matter Nov 28 10:58:32 damn Nov 28 10:58:35 this bl5j charger was an awesome thing to buy Nov 28 10:58:53 swapping batteries seems easier than staying attached to a cord Nov 28 10:59:16 and the battery that came with it actually lasts just as long as a stock one Nov 28 11:01:05 eastmaze? Nov 28 11:03:45 anybody familiar with alignment errors under ARM? Nov 28 11:03:51 and how to deal with them? Nov 28 11:10:30 Macer: you know hotswap right? Nov 28 11:24:00 huh? Nov 28 11:24:30 with the 1sec to swap it while holding one in place etc? Nov 28 11:24:44 no thanks. i will just power it off and swap it out heh Nov 28 11:25:35 1 sec? Nov 28 11:26:26 whatever it is Nov 28 11:27:17 .7? :) Nov 28 11:29:35 Macer: suit yourself Nov 28 11:29:46 Is it possible for me to... Nov 28 11:29:53 1. be connected to ovi suite. Nov 28 11:30:10 heh Nov 28 11:30:12 2. connected to n900 by putty. Nov 28 11:30:23 DocScrutinizer: AFAIK, you mostly have to remove unaligned access from the program. Malloc ensures memory is aligned, but you have to be careful with using offsets Nov 28 11:30:32 3. Acess the net through PC from n900. Nov 28 11:30:37 ALL over bluetooth? Nov 28 11:30:54 ALL at once? Nov 28 11:33:12 what's ovi suite? Nov 28 11:33:45 probably some windows only software Nov 28 11:33:47 (I don't know the answer to your question) Nov 28 11:34:08 psycho_oreos: ovi sounds like the ovi from ovi store though Nov 28 11:34:58 Phlogistique, though there's a set of ovi shortcuts when you either first obtain N900 or a clean combined flash Nov 28 11:35:14 * psycho_oreos thinks its probably something to do with pc suite mode Nov 28 11:36:01 ovi suite is the SHITTY software peddled by nokia. Nov 28 11:36:23 Winblows only, resource hog, always startys with windows. Nov 28 11:36:28 An embarassment. Nov 28 11:36:41 However it does have partital n900 support. Nov 28 11:36:55 its actually quite a compliment to N900 though *ahem* lol Nov 28 11:37:41 It allows you to backup the phonebook/appz/etc/etc Nov 28 11:37:59 Send/receive txt messages Nov 28 11:38:11 modify and synchronise the phonebook Nov 28 11:38:41 modify/synchronise the calender Nov 28 11:39:33 While it is a steaming sack of piss it does allow me to txt msg my GF from my desk without fiddling with me phone. Nov 28 11:39:35 sounds very much like that nokia pc suite. I've never used it on my N900 lol. I've already fully migrated all my computers to linux Nov 28 11:39:54 psycho_oreos: tell that to my job. Nov 28 11:40:11 vi___, can't you run linux on a vm? :D Nov 28 11:40:38 psycho_oreos: for what purpose? All the CAE software is for 'dows. Nov 28 11:40:59 psycho_oreos: You have to accept you cannot have 'nix everywhere. Nov 28 11:41:10 psycho_oreos: then you install cygwin and SSH out. Nov 28 11:41:41 vi___, I know of a few people that have linux on their workstations at work, whilst everyone else had windows :) Nov 28 11:43:52 I'd imagine I'd do the same thing too if I could find a way first off and then have it showing windows showing up on the screen whenever I'm not in front of me desk at work :) to prevent any suspicions or that `wtf' quote Nov 28 11:44:20 unless somone could write an SMS plugin for mutt/alpine that would allow me to send/receive messages to/from my contacts. Nov 28 11:44:24 i.e. windows on vm and linux as host but *shrugs* everyone has their comfort zones Nov 28 11:44:37 psycho_oreos: bro are you on drugs? Nov 28 11:44:53 vi___, no but I've never done CAE :) Nov 28 11:45:07 You think running 'nix is outside my 'comfort zone'? Nov 28 11:45:32 You have yet to learn that crumby software you HAVE to use at work DOES NOT work under nix Nov 28 11:45:44 vi___, that's where virtualisation comes in :) Nov 28 11:45:51 In fact it is so fail it almost doesnt run under doze Nov 28 11:46:17 the very idea of putting an extra layer of potential fail i.e. a host OS underneath the whole lot is nuts. Nov 28 11:46:55 You simply have to accept at work you use doze. Nov 28 11:47:08 unless if you're running old workstations with limited resources :D Nov 28 11:47:40 then you will be ruinnig XP. Nov 28 11:47:45 bleh I wouldn't.. not in the long term... I'd be looking into having linux as host. So when shit hits the fan I can always `re-clone' windows Nov 28 11:48:04 psycho_oreos: that is what our IT admin is for. Nov 28 11:49:07 vi___, true but to do it yourself would probably be better one other ways unless if they enforce strict `cloning' every so often Nov 28 11:49:42 s/one/more than one/ Nov 28 11:49:43 psycho_oreos meant: vi___, true but to do it yourself would probably be better more than one other ways unless if they enforce strict `cloning' every so often Nov 28 11:49:49 psycho_oreos: you clearly have not had your first job in the 'real world' of computers yet then. Nov 28 11:50:11 vi___, I have, just not much :) Nov 28 11:51:19 vi___, so you would say people who run linux as host and windows as guest in virtualised environment at their work environment despite the rest of the people are running windows only are bluffers? Nov 28 11:53:42 vi___: I'm pretty sure it must be possible to do without OVI suite (sending texts) Nov 28 11:53:59 altough I do not know how, and I don't really need it Nov 28 11:54:27 there's sendsms which is a CLI based program Nov 28 11:55:58 s/sendsms/smssend/ Nov 28 11:55:58 psycho_oreos meant: there's smssend which is a CLI based program Nov 28 12:17:08 I have come up with the perfect solution for implementing wifi network priority. The plan I have is not to replace the wifi plugin (with libicd-network-wpa or anything else) but to write a plugin that sits between the ICD daemon and the WiFi plugin and manipulates the results Nov 28 12:17:58 About to make a forum post about my plan Nov 28 12:21:21 Hello! Nov 28 12:22:09 Anyone could compile remind on n900 please? http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind Nov 28 12:22:41 built-in task in N900 is useless at all for me... Nov 28 12:22:48 Too simple too naive Nov 28 13:04:13 Hi. I want to write an application that listens for the "PictureDone" event from com.nokia.cameraui. Should I directly use the DBUS API or is there some Maemo-specific handling that I should use? Nov 28 13:16:25 mihu:inter-process communication? DBUS surely. Nov 28 13:16:28 ? Nov 28 13:17:43 vi___: I took a picture and noticed that "signal sender=:1.69 -> dest=(null destination) serial=38 path=/com/nokia/cameraui; interface=com.nokia.cameraui; member=PictureDone string "/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/20111128_001.jpg"" was emitted. I now want to listen to that event, but I'm unsure which API I should/can use. Nov 28 13:19:57 vi___: From looking at the documentation, I think osso_rpc_set_cb_f() is the way to go. Nov 28 13:49:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1130016#post1130016 Nov 28 14:15:24 salve Nov 28 15:44:31 was it in this channel we discussed availability of components via farnell? Nov 28 15:45:42 they actually don't send to users who got no business with tax number, but the nice lady calling me will send my addr of their business partner that will do Nov 28 15:46:09 DocSalarySlave: yes, at a cost. Nov 28 15:46:12 s/my/me the/ Nov 28 15:46:12 DocSalarySlave meant: they actually don't send to users who got no business with tax number, but the nice lady calling me will send me the addr of their business partner that will do Nov 28 15:46:27 DocSalarySlave: Unless you are buying a shed load of stuff it is just not worth it. Nov 28 15:46:44 vi___: depends Nov 28 15:47:38 if I can't operate the 800$ device anymore due to a broken 5ct component, I don'T really mind paying 20 bucks for processing Nov 28 15:52:44 DocSalarySlave: what did you ordeR? Nov 28 15:56:47 I wish somone would make a flashlight app that was not made of fail. Nov 28 15:57:11 liqtorch - just a white screen. FAIL. Nov 28 15:57:41 flashlight, extra>K - include a statusbar pluging that polls the shutter. FAIL. Nov 28 15:58:20 nTorch - Requires you to press the screen to on/off and does not close with shutter, also QT. FAIL Nov 28 15:58:35 vi___: I got halfway through, then got stuck on a bash script. Nov 28 15:58:41 vi___: Basic idea: Nov 28 15:58:58 On shutter-open - is device pointing down. Nov 28 15:59:04 Yes - flashlight on. Nov 28 15:59:08 No - camera on Nov 28 15:59:14 pugvzz_: actually nothing Nov 28 16:00:10 All that is needed is a binary that switches on the LEDs, switches off when shutter closes. I will choose how to launch binary (status bar, script, shutter launcher, dbus when I fart, etc). Nov 28 16:01:08 It's not quite that simple - as the camera will take over the shutter Nov 28 16:01:10 SpeedEvil: I have considered a bash approach too, howeever it cannot be done. (unless you wanna I2C the shit outta the LED module). Nov 28 16:01:24 SpeedEvil: not if you have camera shutter launcher... Nov 28 16:01:39 camera shutter launcher requires an interaction. Nov 28 16:01:44 The above UI doesn't. Nov 28 16:01:53 SpeedEvil: good point. Nov 28 16:02:17 Doesn't even need screen unlock Nov 28 16:02:27 SpeedEvil: however shutterL allows the automatic execution of whatever you want. Which in this case would be your script. Nov 28 16:02:58 SpeedEvil: would also circumvent need for unlocking. Nov 28 16:03:15 anyway FWIW, farnell doesn't seel to individuals, but a nice CR-lady called me and told me www.hbe-shop.de will do, and has all the farnell stuff Nov 28 16:03:33 SpeedEvil: how would you have started LEDS with a bash script? Nov 28 16:03:47 (and of course I can order directly at farnell ;-D ) Nov 28 16:03:56 DocSalarySlave: heh Nov 28 16:04:14 DocSalarySlave: their website certainly shits all over rs-components. Nov 28 16:05:03 vi___: v4lctl Nov 28 16:05:07 But it diddn't quite work Nov 28 16:05:29 they call em fingers.. but i never seen ém fing... Nov 28 16:05:51 so what is interesting to do today with maemo-ishness Nov 28 16:05:52 SpeedEvil: what is this 'v41ctl' you speak of? Nov 28 16:05:56 it is so feature-complete Nov 28 16:06:19 video4linux control applet Nov 28 16:06:36 SpeedEvil: can it turn the leds on/off? Nov 28 16:06:43 yes. Nov 28 16:06:49 zomfg Nov 28 16:06:56 But it doesn/t keep /dev/viodeo open, so they go off again Nov 28 16:07:29 what do you mean doesnt keep it open? Nov 28 16:07:49 When the video device is closed, the driver turns the LED off Nov 28 16:08:20 why u no 'chmod 444 /dev/video'? Nov 28 16:08:30 What? Nov 28 16:08:36 It doesn't work that way. Nov 28 16:08:54 To turn the camera on, you need to open /dev/video0, then do an ioctl to turn on the LED. Nov 28 16:08:58 change the write permissions of the device so nothing can change/close it. Nov 28 16:08:59 And keep it open Nov 28 16:09:22 It's the driver that's turning it off. Nov 28 16:09:30 mmmm Nov 28 16:09:36 spam ioctls? Nov 28 16:09:37 I'd have needed to recode v4lctl so it supported keeping the device open. Nov 28 16:27:47 nice notice to everybody re CSSU: seems a (the?) fundamental bug in modest got spotted and squished Nov 28 16:28:24 DocSalarySlave: link? Nov 28 16:28:50 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/latest.log.html Nov 28 16:37:11 I mean the screen is max 1280 wide, so why would Qt need floats? Nov 28 16:37:28 ^ because it was made by java programmers. Nov 28 16:48:01 vi___: what's wrong with floats? :P Nov 28 16:49:31 oh right, Maemo is still stuck with softfp ;) Nov 28 16:55:23 hmm Nov 28 17:16:48 ugh, where do I get the star-shaped screwdriver needed to open N900? Nov 28 17:17:12 luke-jr: you could do us a favour and check if hardfp is as fast or faster than 32bit fixed Nov 28 17:17:28 DocSalarySlave: how? Nov 28 17:17:42 dazasheets, google, dunno Nov 28 17:17:44 hardfp is very significantly faster than softfp+neon at least Nov 28 17:17:57 no idea wtf to test 32bit fixed Nov 28 17:18:33 yeah, but when Qt or $random-task doesn't need float then it was insane to use even hardfp unless it was faster than 32 int Nov 28 17:19:17 but I don't know how to test 32bit fixed :P Nov 28 17:19:26 unless you mean uint32 Nov 28 17:19:39 that's probably what I meant, yeah Nov 28 17:19:43 then I suppose I could write a simple C program to compare Nov 28 17:19:47 not u maybe Nov 28 17:19:59 alarm(10);, then count Nov 28 17:20:09 or do I need more time to be precise enough? hmm Nov 28 17:20:39 I bet the results are so significan you don't need any precision at all Nov 28 17:23:15 moo all Nov 28 17:23:54 DocSalarySlave: what op should I use for testing? Nov 28 17:24:20 muladd Nov 28 17:24:36 aka multiply and add Nov 28 17:24:42 from C? Nov 28 17:24:52 dunno Nov 28 17:25:02 a += a * 2 ? Nov 28 17:25:04 I wonder how you'd thest hardfp Nov 28 17:25:08 test* Nov 28 17:25:19 make 'a' a double :p Nov 28 17:25:48 hmm, you're on a system with hardfp support? Nov 28 17:25:56 yes Nov 28 17:26:05 that's how I noticed the difference :P Nov 28 17:26:14 Gentoo is MUCH faster with hardfp than when I had softfp Nov 28 17:26:29 then probably the above will do, when you make sure no optimizations detect the code as cruft Nov 28 17:26:46 GCC isn't using muladd for += * Nov 28 17:26:56 luke-jr: :-D well THAT is expected Nov 28 17:27:35 why? Nov 28 17:27:36 (faster ^^^) Nov 28 17:28:03 O.o? Nov 28 17:28:40 luke-jr: hardfp is usually faster than software emu Nov 28 17:28:49 oh Nov 28 17:29:02 well, I thought it was just an API difference and the softfp was still using NEON Nov 28 17:29:38 luke-jr: (muladd) if you can't find a way to use muladd (if that even exists on ARM), then a normal add and multiply will probably do Nov 28 17:30:25 ~32 mil int ops per sec Nov 28 17:30:33 or you could compare int mul+add to a simple hardfp mul only, and see if fp has a chance to compete with this "advantage" Nov 28 17:31:13 assuming a hardfp muladd won't be *faster* than a hardfp mul Nov 28 17:31:16 ~10.5 mil 'double' ops per sec Nov 28 17:31:48 amazingly fast Nov 28 17:31:56 same for 'float' Nov 28 17:31:58 is it? Nov 28 17:32:07 I'd say yes Nov 28 17:32:09 I have no way to test on softfp Nov 28 17:32:34 I'd more expected a ratio of 10/1 or more, rather than 3/1 Nov 28 17:32:54 softfp doesn't matter though Nov 28 17:33:16 still obviously hardfp is not *faster* than int arithmetic Nov 28 17:33:28 well, if you can get statistics for Maemo's configuration, you can go to Nokia "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" :P Nov 28 17:33:54 so if you can get away with not using float in any framework/program, you damn better only use int Nov 28 17:34:47 http://pastebin.com/8spaJhDD <-- the code I tested with Nov 28 17:36:39 with standard Maemo userspace running with Wifi connected Nov 28 17:36:51 and SSH sessions Nov 28 17:37:01 don't expect those made a big impact on testing tho Nov 28 17:37:03 what is luke-jr doing/ Nov 28 17:37:14 pugvadr: cheap benchmarking Nov 28 17:37:36 I'm still interested to see what a Maemo-made benchmark of the above produces for floats Nov 28 17:38:15 if for no other reason to mathematically prove that I'm not imagining this huge speedup :p Nov 28 17:39:07 * DocSalarySlave wonders if he could run it thru the SB wreck he got Nov 28 17:44:22 dang, how do I log in to SB? Nov 28 17:44:56 * DocSalarySlave has obviously lost half of his persistent storage Nov 28 17:46:30 nm, found it, /sb/login Nov 28 17:49:09 O.o Nov 28 17:56:53 IroN900:~# ./speedtest Nov 28 17:56:54 107327155 Nov 28 17:57:16 ty luke-jr ! Nov 28 17:59:04 DocSalarySlave: srsly, no difference at all? :o Nov 28 17:59:11 pugvadr: ? Nov 28 17:59:41 for your interesting experiments Nov 28 17:59:54 I guess your line >>n += n * n;<< simply gets yanked as the result is never used Nov 28 18:00:31 DocSalarySlave: are you using -O0 ? Nov 28 18:01:05 let's do it the other way round: what are you using? Nov 28 18:01:10 full cmdline Nov 28 18:05:23 DocSalarySlave: gcc a.c Nov 28 18:07:43 hmmmm Nov 28 18:07:47 IroN900:~# ./speedtestint Nov 28 18:07:48 313181606 Nov 28 18:07:50 IroN900:~# ./speedtestfloat Nov 28 18:07:51 107024995 Nov 28 18:08:05 hmm Nov 28 18:08:22 that is 3x faster? Nov 28 18:09:41 so hardfp makes no difference at all? :/ Nov 28 18:10:02 or I'm using hardfp here :-P Nov 28 18:10:29 otoh if that's softfp then dang wtf Nov 28 18:10:40 hardfp isn't binary compatible with softfp libs Nov 28 18:10:54 :nod: Nov 28 18:11:00 heard that Nov 28 18:11:04 so I'd think it impossible to do hardfp on Maemo Nov 28 18:30:10 would be nice to fix the weird gfx bug on NoGravity n900 Nov 28 18:32:52 luke-jr: Nov 28 18:32:57 ? Nov 28 18:33:00 IroN900:~# ./speedtestfloat Nov 28 18:33:02 84094530 0 Nov 28 18:33:03 IroN900:~# ./speedtestint Nov 28 18:33:04 237694654 446741238 Nov 28 18:33:11 ? Nov 28 18:34:07 typedef int testtype; Nov 28 18:34:08 testtype n = 1; Nov 28 18:34:10 void alrm(int a) { Nov 28 18:34:11 printf("%d %d\n", c, n); Nov 28 18:34:31 if n in float, %d is worng Nov 28 18:34:33 wrong* Nov 28 18:34:37 yup Nov 28 18:34:47 I didn't care Nov 28 18:34:50 :p Nov 28 18:36:35 anyway now result gets used, and seems the ratio is still 3/1 though definitely speed for both changed a lot Nov 28 19:53:07 ~flashing Nov 28 19:53:08 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 28 20:02:42 Will someone help me flash my N900 with Ubuntu Linux? I have little to no experience using it. Nov 28 20:09:04 hey Kosan. i was just thinking about u :P Nov 28 20:09:51 Yeah apperently I can't operate Linux. Nov 28 20:10:54 the wiki is kinda self-explanatory.. where are u having issues? Nov 28 20:11:23 Hold on. Nov 28 20:13:03 Where it says Nov 28 20:13:05 I don' Nov 28 20:13:16 I don't know how to tell it to go to a certain firmware image Nov 28 20:13:34 I have very little experience using linux. Nov 28 20:13:44 it's the one u downloaded Nov 28 20:13:47 Yes Nov 28 20:13:52 It's on the desktop. Nov 28 20:13:59 Do i need to put it somewhere else? Nov 28 20:13:59 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Nov 28 20:14:02 Yes Nov 28 20:14:04 that one. Nov 28 20:14:07 oh :) Nov 28 20:14:39 flasher -F /home/kosan/Desktop/Rx... Nov 28 20:14:40 hi Nov 28 20:14:47 ookay.. Nov 28 20:15:16 i don't know how u have configured yours.. but that's the basic gnome path for desktop Nov 28 20:15:19 i'm trying to set up wifi manually Nov 28 20:15:32 but something keeps doing a ifconfig wlan0 down Nov 28 20:15:36 what could that be? Nov 28 20:16:07 i don't think there is corecode. Nov 28 20:16:59 how do u set it up manually corecode? Nov 28 20:17:53 iwconfig and ifconfig Nov 28 20:21:02 ):< Linux irritates me Nov 28 20:21:15 Linux or Maemo? Nov 28 20:21:20 Ubuntu. Nov 28 20:21:25 what has happened now Kosan? Nov 28 20:21:25 oh Nov 28 20:21:27 of course Nov 28 20:21:30 Nothing it's just Nov 28 20:21:33 making me angry D:< Nov 28 20:21:43 (It's because it's different) Nov 28 20:21:48 I don't like change :c Nov 28 20:23:07 it's GNOME's fault Nov 28 20:23:10 get a KDE-based OS Nov 28 20:23:51 "Error claiming USB interface: Operatation not permitted" Nov 28 20:23:57 When trying to flash the eMMC Nov 28 20:24:01 root ^^ Nov 28 20:24:02 Grrr. Nov 28 20:24:04 oh. Nov 28 20:24:05 ;-; Nov 28 20:24:06 sudo .. Nov 28 20:24:17 lol Nov 28 20:24:27 don't make fun of me ;c Nov 28 20:24:58 oh Nov 28 20:25:00 corecode: did u start with ifconfig wlan0 down before going iwconfig, etc.. Nov 28 20:25:04 It's working Nov 28 20:26:31 :) Nov 28 20:32:35 OH LOOK Nov 28 20:32:35 Even after flashing the eMMC Nov 28 20:32:35 it's still doing this shit.. Nov 28 20:32:35 wait. Nov 28 20:32:35 oh. Nov 28 20:32:36 NVM Nov 28 20:33:35 Thanks guys. Nov 28 20:33:44 :) Nov 28 20:34:23 hey Nov 28 20:35:17 is it possible to use another phone as a remote? Nov 28 20:35:20 for the n900 Nov 28 20:35:48 n900 is driving the presentation (really simple) and i could use another phone for scrolling up/down Nov 28 20:36:13 Kosan: meaning your N900 is running fine now? Nov 28 20:36:19 is there anything like sending keys to active app through ssh? Nov 28 20:40:25 corecode: i haven't done all this myself, but have a look at the command sequence for n900 in this nicely commented script by mgedmin : http://mg.pov.lt/share-wifi Nov 28 20:44:30 ugh Nov 28 20:44:38 i got kubuntu back on this old server to use as a workstation Nov 28 20:44:48 too bad the power stuff doesn't properly work Nov 28 20:49:32 can I lock my screen from the terminal? Nov 28 20:50:13 Sicelo yes Nov 28 20:50:28 yes, see phone-control << bindi__ Nov 28 20:50:37 u did it Kosan :P Nov 28 20:50:51 got it Nov 28 20:51:25 Yep Nov 28 20:51:29 except.. Nov 28 20:51:35 my camera UI looks like the old one Nov 28 20:51:42 and not the one from the... PR 1.3 or whateve.r Nov 28 20:52:05 btw, Kosan, backupmenu is one good program to install asap Nov 28 20:52:11 Whats it do? Nov 28 20:52:25 camera ui? yes, u are on pr1.3 Nov 28 20:52:39 Well I remember the camera did a bunch of other stuff. Nov 28 20:52:59 i guess that was extra software.. eg bless Nov 28 20:53:07 I guess. Nov 28 20:53:09 * Sicelo almost never uses his camera Nov 28 20:53:19 I use it a lot Nov 28 20:53:27 I wish there was a theme that was like Nov 28 20:53:31 super high contrast Nov 28 20:53:33 for using outside Nov 28 20:54:30 backupmenu helps u make better backups, and allows u to also boot the device in special modes (well, u need some linux knowledge to use that fully) Nov 28 20:55:01 u used wubi or ubuntu proper? Nov 28 20:56:36 I booted from a USB Nov 28 20:57:19 ok. Nov 28 21:21:10 lmao Nov 28 21:21:50 Sicelo: it is probably important to point out that backupmenu relies on making sure the device is using the same kernel when the image is made Nov 28 21:22:03 otherwise you have a prett bad day Nov 28 22:41:52 Hi! I'm planning to reflash my n900. Nov 28 22:42:35 What do I flash first? The RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? Nov 28 22:42:54 only the latter Nov 28 22:43:02 no need to reflash eMMC in most cases Nov 28 22:43:03 thanks Nov 28 22:43:09 and doing so will destroy your personal data Nov 28 22:43:36 yep Nov 28 22:43:52 Is it reasonable to update to meego? Nov 28 22:44:00 or mer? Nov 28 22:44:00 #meego Nov 28 22:44:05 Mer is dead as a doorknob Nov 28 22:44:11 MeeGo is dead too IIRC, but no idea how far it got Nov 28 22:44:20 and meego runs well on n900? Nov 28 22:44:25 no idea Nov 28 22:44:30 I work on Gentoo+N900 Nov 28 22:44:44 Mer is dead? Nov 28 22:45:15 well, no idea on the "new" Mer Nov 28 22:45:43 this is alive afaik. Nov 28 22:47:06 re Nov 28 22:47:41 DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: all is well with my N900 gps. Thanks. It really does seem like supl.nokia.com is utterly b0rked Nov 28 22:50:23 hrm Nov 28 22:50:32 my N900 keeps rebooting randomly into actdead mode Nov 28 23:03:30 luke-jr: lol you have no clue about nothing! Nov 28 23:03:35 do you? Nov 28 23:17:33 chem|st: troll Nov 28 23:29:36 njsf: yw, pleased to hear it works now Nov 28 23:30:37 * jonwil cant find anyone who is interested in icd-wlan-priority Nov 28 23:30:39 :( Nov 28 23:33:21 anyone working on a package for the MetaWatch that will work on the last official Nokia image? Nov 28 23:35:21 jonwil: I'd like it to work like on harmattan, that I can set specific wireless networks to not be conencted to automatically Nov 28 23:36:09 well I am not working on Harmattan Nov 28 23:40:03 guess I am the only one doing it then Nov 28 23:41:24 not many people have read that in the last 10 mins, could be others... Nov 28 23:45:24 jonwil: you missunderstood that :D Nov 28 23:45:25 If I had questions about the n900 would this be the right place to ask? Nov 28 23:45:35 on maemo you can select that it either autoconnects to wlan or not Nov 28 23:45:39 oh ok Nov 28 23:45:52 on harmattan you can select networks it will autoconnect to Nov 28 23:45:53 that will be possible with the design I have in mind Nov 28 23:45:55 and ones it wont Nov 28 23:45:59 Trcx: yes Nov 28 23:46:05 that's what I'd like Nov 28 23:46:07 if you just assign a priority of 0 to the networks you dont want to autoconnect to Nov 28 23:46:32 Although in the design I have in mind, if it sees a higher priority network than the one you are on, it will connect to that automatically Nov 28 23:47:43 Ok, Just wanting to confirm some things: Nov 28 23:47:50 1) You can load android on it Nov 28 23:48:18 2) There is full monitor mode, and packet injection support with the build in wifi chip Nov 28 23:48:44 3) You have complete root access out of the box (no rooting/jailbreaking) Nov 28 23:48:50 Am I right? Nov 28 23:49:30 For #3, yes Nov 28 23:49:59 for #1, in theory yes but the android port is junk (or so I heard) Nov 28 23:50:19 Trcx: no Nov 28 23:50:24 Awesome Nov 28 23:50:28 you do need to root/jailbreak it, but it's pretty trivial Nov 28 23:50:43 yeah you need to install rootsh from the repos Nov 28 23:50:51 I can't comment on monitor mode. N810 at least was missing signal strength etc in the packet data headers Nov 28 23:50:54 to be able to login as root Nov 28 23:50:54 Trcx: 2) is a yes too Nov 28 23:50:56 Is that it? Lol, that's simple Nov 28 23:51:05 I don't recall installing anything… Nov 28 23:51:09 IIRC, sudo gainroot just worked Nov 28 23:51:14 custom kernel + driver and jull monitor / packet injection Nov 28 23:51:15 hmmm ok Nov 28 23:51:27 Trcx: for *practical* purposes, you can't load Android Nov 28 23:51:34 Trcx: also note that Maemo is both closed source and abanonded Nov 28 23:52:00 Fair enough, I would really want to run android, just more of for messing with when i need to Nov 28 23:52:16 I don't know if anyone is working on Android anymore Nov 28 23:52:24 AFAIK it never was able to make phone calls Nov 28 23:52:27 And Maemo is the os (Sorry for being a complete n00b) Nov 28 23:52:39 Mameo is the shipped N900 OS Nov 28 23:52:45 I'm working on the Gentoo port Nov 28 23:52:52 (Just want to know what I'm getting when I drop $500 on a phone) Nov 28 23:53:06 Trcx: get it cheaper Nov 28 23:53:07 :D Nov 28 23:53:12 Where Nov 28 23:53:19 And I was just ballparking it Nov 28 23:53:52 Amazon sell them new for ~$400 I think (haven't looked too much) Nov 28 23:53:56 Trcx: N900 is not a phone. Nov 28 23:54:06 also afaik you can't get them new anymore O.o Nov 28 23:55:33 but yes maemo5 is the os, android is possible (google for nitroid), packet injection see: http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/, root is a matter of installing a package or using a nokia shippped tool to enable r&d mode Nov 28 23:56:45 Thank you for the information. From what I'm reading it seems like you can do anything with the n900. Nov 28 23:56:55 even fly to mars Nov 28 23:57:05 lol, that might be pushing it Nov 28 23:58:34 Trcx: not really. Nov 29 00:07:01 the n900 is the last true device that will do what you want, not what someone else wants to shove down your throat! Nov 29 00:07:51 see Nov 29 00:07:53 ~aegis Nov 29 00:07:54 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Nov 29 00:07:56 using the n900 to fly to mars might work better then the various attempts so far ;) Nov 29 00:15:08 luke-jr: excelling on trolling once more? Nov 29 00:15:30 DocScrutinizer: just factgs Nov 29 00:15:56 BS, stating maemo is closed-source is a mere lie Nov 29 00:16:10 it contains a few closed source things Nov 29 00:21:24 merlin1991: latest rumour has it HARM runs just fine in open mode, with using a minimally patched kernel Nov 29 00:22:11 DocScrutinizer: latest rumoar has it that you still can't legally recover from your awesome patched kernel Nov 29 00:22:19 alas - a s you can figure - it's a bit hard for community to build that kernel without sources, so we're waiting for Nokia finally publishing the GPLed kernel source Nov 29 00:22:46 I maybe should be reading meego forums a lil mor :D Nov 29 00:23:31 * jonwil is surprised that Nokia are taking so long to get kernel source out, they seemed to be so good about GPL complience Nov 29 00:24:11 although there IS http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/k/kernel/ Nov 29 00:24:13 luke-jr: and you still get n900s new... (at least a few days ago lmc) Nov 29 00:24:33 exactly what kernel that is I dont know Nov 29 00:25:02 DocScrutinizer: Maemo is at least as much closed as open. And nothing is 100% closed. Any degree of closed makes the whole closed, logically. Nov 29 00:25:48 chem|st: where from? Nov 29 00:26:46 shops... they hold that many... they even sell them.. Nov 29 00:26:56 luke-jr: antithesis: any degree of hackable makes the whole thing hackable Nov 29 00:27:31 DocScrutinizer: false. Nov 29 00:27:46 just checked at least 2 say "in stock" Nov 29 00:28:45 oh so iphone/ps3/xbox are not hackable? Nov 29 00:29:54 iPhones are not useful devices. Nov 29 00:30:03 too small for doorstops, too light for a boat anchor Nov 29 00:30:09 ds3: was not talking about usefulness! Nov 29 00:30:32 ds3: you still may throw it at dumb trolls Nov 29 00:30:43 ~iphone luke-jr Nov 29 00:30:46 too light to do that Nov 29 00:30:50 damn Nov 29 00:30:58 more effectively to throw wads of paper Nov 29 00:31:20 ds3: trolling on a high level .P Nov 29 00:32:49 There are several hack tools available for the iphone. Not nearly as many as the n900, but there are some of the basics. Metasploit, SET, nbtscan, dsniff, etc Nov 29 00:33:01 It's the platform that I'm coming from. Nov 29 00:33:21 Looking to expand a little bit, and some google found me the N900. Nov 29 00:34:44 so "any degree of closed makes the whole closed, logically"... hmm... wonder if that's some new, modern kind of logic... sure would be nice if it was enough to close one of my windows while leaving the front door open, that the house would count as closed for the insurance company too, guess they're not that hip Nov 29 00:37:07 villager: hehe Nov 29 00:39:42 Trcx: when you come from iOS, you'll feel like in anarchist's paradise on N900 Nov 29 00:40:01 +1 Nov 29 00:40:09 bb Nov 29 00:41:25 DocScrutinizer: unless he wants a working phone :P Nov 29 00:41:37 That sounds awesome. I really think that this is going to be my next phone. Nov 29 00:41:52 Anyone using it with sprint? Nov 29 00:41:54 Trcx: N900 is not a phone. If you want a phone, N900 is probably not for you. Nov 29 00:42:00 luke-jr: then he just needs to do one thing:ignore *aou* Nov 29 00:42:03 *you* Nov 29 00:42:13 Trcx: N900 can be used with only T-Mobile and Simple Mobile in the USA, and only 2G on AT&T Nov 29 00:42:22 DocScrutinizer: no u Nov 29 00:42:26 Please stop trolling Nov 29 00:42:34 indeed Nov 29 00:42:34 Trcx: ie, no Sprint, no Verizon, no anything else Nov 29 00:42:47 Trcx: if the information you ask for is "trolling", then you're on your own Nov 29 00:43:55 luke-jr: and stop spreading publicly known facts as new that can be found on any random DSM-bands table Nov 29 00:44:16 DocScrutinizer: I never said it was new. He asked about using it with Sprint. Nov 29 00:44:27 oh he did? Nov 29 00:44:47 Indeed I did Nov 29 00:45:07 I should be able to put any sim in there and it should work, right? Nov 29 00:45:20 Trcx: Sprint doesn't have SIMs. Nov 29 00:45:33 and no, there are some SIMs (very rare) that won't work in it Nov 29 00:46:28 (AIUI, those SIMs are only in China) Nov 29 00:49:25 well, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N900/ seems to have all the details about supported bands. Please check with your carrier, whether verizon or whatever, for info about what bands they use Nov 29 00:50:43 I know that it won't work verizon, because they us CDMA, it looks like it supports most other GSM carriers Nov 29 00:51:14 Thank you for your assistance. Nov 29 00:52:15 Trcx: also read /topic Nov 29 00:52:34 each link is worth it Nov 29 00:53:20 Oops, missed seeing those when I joined, I'll be sure to read them, thanks. Nov 29 01:09:05 Trcx: T-Mobile, Simple Mobile, and AT&T are the only USA GSM carriers Nov 29 01:09:12 Trcx: N900 does not have the 3G band for AT&T Nov 29 01:10:45 if no-one cares about icd-wlan-policy, I may as well not bother writing it :P Nov 29 01:10:59 Sorry, my mistake. I though sprint offer GSM, but it turns out that it is international only. Nov 29 01:11:38 it's a shame. I wish there was more choice. Nov 29 01:36:23 Was the irreco database taken down? Nov 29 01:39:00 That's the infrared remote control app for the n900 Nov 29 02:02:38 njsf: great Nov 29 02:05:00 yoh Nov 29 02:05:15 tramp: no idea Nov 29 02:05:18 tramp > do you mean the button mapping db ? Nov 29 02:05:26 it uses lirc's one i think Nov 29 02:05:32 http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ Nov 29 02:05:57 i get an odd issue with irreco can only donwload remotes/mapping, when using wifi Nov 29 02:06:06 I always thought this strict online concept without a way to intercept was a bit strange Nov 29 02:06:07 gprs shows no error but loads nothing Nov 29 02:06:21 HyperSnyper: yes Nov 29 02:07:10 also way too much junk in that database Nov 29 02:07:11 i use that link to add button mapping when i can only use gprs Nov 29 02:07:29 i use wget to save it into the irreco dir Nov 29 02:07:46 im just checking to see if i can control a tv with the n900 Nov 29 02:08:20 but the irreco app doesnt seem to connect, nor can be set offline (easily) Nov 29 02:08:41 you using wifi or gprs ? Nov 29 02:09:17 wifi, isnt gprs strictly for gps coordinates? Nov 29 02:09:49 might be a uk term Nov 29 02:09:50 tramp: gprs is data transfer Nov 29 02:09:55 i mean "mobile internet" Nov 29 02:09:57 gps is the positioning thing Nov 29 02:10:09 acknowledged Nov 29 02:10:30 wifi only, i cancelled my service Nov 29 02:11:33 general packet radio service, or sth - colloq. "Data" Nov 29 02:12:08 i just looked it up, it just takes longer with microB and 128M of ram Nov 29 02:12:17 ~gprs Nov 29 02:12:18 gprs is, like, an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing a connection between your Pocket PC and this EGSM/GSM transceiver, it is located at ... Nov 29 02:12:32 find the tv you want e.g > http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/sony/CMT-CP100 Nov 29 02:12:34 * SpeedEvil has an ipaq somewhere. Nov 29 02:12:42 broken Nov 29 02:12:50 go infobot Nov 29 02:12:56 then save it into > MyDocs/qtirreco/Devices Nov 29 02:12:56 ~infobot Nov 29 02:12:57 pnutbot Nov 29 02:13:02 rofl Nov 29 02:13:06 ~gender Nov 29 02:13:07 I'm female Nov 29 02:13:17 hm Nov 29 02:13:19 ~mood Nov 29 02:13:19 overjoyed Nov 29 02:13:22 ~species Nov 29 02:13:25 ~why Nov 29 02:13:25 Because! Nov 29 02:13:30 I see Nov 29 02:13:48 * merlin1991 wonders what makes infobot overjoyed Nov 29 02:14:04 prob to many botsnacks from doc :D Nov 29 02:14:13 ~botsnack Nov 29 02:14:14 merlin1991: thanks Nov 29 02:14:15 HyperSnyper: Is this documented anywhere? Nov 29 02:14:31 ~botsnack Nov 29 02:14:31 :), DocScrutinizer Nov 29 02:14:31 my mind Nov 29 02:14:32 ¬¬ Nov 29 02:14:51 hehe Nov 29 02:15:01 come on doc, get a real gf ;) Nov 29 02:15:23 I'll have to it down then as I don't have the TV with me Nov 29 02:15:32 nly if she comes with sourcecode Nov 29 02:16:08 makes it easier to find her holes Nov 29 02:16:19 thats just the button mappings not the premade remote configs though tramp Nov 29 02:16:28 not sure where they are downloaded from Nov 29 02:17:10 HyperSnyper: ok, well at least that's something Nov 29 02:17:11 you will have to add buttons and assign commands within qtirreco Nov 29 02:17:13 :/ Nov 29 02:17:27 better than nothing. Nov 29 02:17:48 fsck qtirreco, beber worked for me Nov 29 02:17:49 it looks like the app initially downloaded everything automatically Nov 29 02:17:51 never Nov 29 02:18:10 hrm Nov 29 02:18:13 the ir signal is really bad Nov 29 02:18:16 well my GCC 4.5 kernel is working pretty good now Nov 29 02:18:19 have to point directly at it Nov 29 02:18:20 in Maemo Nov 29 02:18:20 irreco pure though was ok'ish Nov 29 02:18:29 but if I boot Gentoo, it randomly reboots Nov 29 02:18:58 yep, that's mostly HW, it's over-conservative and quite messed up mechanically Nov 29 02:19:03 optically Nov 29 02:19:53 was there a specific function ti was designed for ? Nov 29 02:20:03 nah Nov 29 02:20:14 none known Nov 29 02:20:17 DocScrutinizer: you don't have access to meego webserver, do you? Nov 29 02:20:24 nope Nov 29 02:20:55 I have access to a lot of webservers, but I have to deny I could get access to that one ;-D Nov 29 02:21:36 DocScrutinizer: someone needs to get them to fix their SSL cert Nov 29 02:21:55 :nod: Nov 29 02:44:32 I just read that BFS can increase the performance of the n900. Nov 29 02:46:32 ~cfs Nov 29 02:46:33 cfs is, like, a Cryptographic Filesystem supports secure storage at the system level through a standard Unix file system interface to encrypted files. Users associate a cryptographic key with the directories they wish to protect. Files in these directories (as well as their pathname components) are transparently encrypted & decrypted with the specified key without further intervention; cleartext is never stored on a disk or sent to a remote file server. Nov 29 02:47:06 first time starting my n900 in weeks since getting my n9 Nov 29 02:47:21 oh how i missed ye hwkb Nov 29 02:47:26 not that cfs infobot Nov 29 02:48:28 Completely Fair Scheduler. Nov 29 02:48:38 ~hwkb Nov 29 02:49:38 I'm trying to decide whether to install kernel-bfs, or install BFS separate, or alternatively install CFS Nov 29 02:50:16 if my n9 had a remote desktop client maybe this device would still be off Nov 29 02:51:00 s/, or install BFS separate// Nov 29 02:51:01 tramp meant: I'm trying to decide whether to install kernel-bfs, or alternatively install CFS Nov 29 02:51:54 does cssu provide either of these? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 29 02:59:57 2011