**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 30 02:59:57 2011 Nov 30 03:12:17 why is benchmarking so impractical? :/ Nov 30 03:19:31 Heisenberg Nov 30 03:21:53 ie, the fact that you are benchmarking affects what you want to measure Nov 30 03:32:41 njsf: it seems bypassing the filesystem helps a lot Nov 30 03:32:52 * luke-jr blows away his swaps Nov 30 03:38:28 Bwahahaha. H-E-N, PK is /awesome/ Nov 30 03:39:16 The USB->SPDIF sound card module I ordered from China arrived today. I took it, plugged it into my microUSB adaptor, and plugged that into my N900 Nov 30 03:39:36 Ran H-E-N, vboost on, enumerate... checked dmesg and yup, it'd found it. Nov 30 03:40:03 Checked alsamixer to see if it was recognised, and yup, it was card #1. Nov 30 03:40:43 I then ran mplayer with ao=alsa and the right card arguments, and suddenly beautiful music starts coming out of the nice set of digital speakers I'd hooked up to it! Nov 30 03:41:08 Almost plug-and-play(though as of yet I don't know how to have the stock media player use it..) Nov 30 03:44:15 Hy, i have a problem, my files are read-only and i don't have a pc, can u tell me hy i unmount and how i repair the errors?? Nov 30 03:44:39 read eMMC=20 / 2G=12.5 / 32G=15 Nov 30 03:44:40 write eMMC= 2.5 / 2G= 2.7 / 32G= 6.5 Nov 30 03:44:43 (all MB/s) Nov 30 03:45:01 I write that in terminal? Nov 30 03:45:04 no Nov 30 03:45:07 I'm just talking to myself. Nov 30 03:45:24 I'm noob with this Nov 30 03:45:43 Can u pls tell me? Nov 30 03:47:08 Not working Nov 30 03:47:34 Not found :| Nov 30 03:47:41 … Nov 30 03:47:44 that wasn't sarcasm Nov 30 03:47:47 I was literally talking to myslef Nov 30 03:48:18 So, can u pls tell me? Nov 30 03:52:47 ? Nov 30 03:54:31 DocScrutinizer: so do you think rootfs is better kept on 20 MB/s read and 2.5 MB/s write, or moved to 15 MB/s read and 6.5 MB/s write? :/ Nov 30 03:55:38 interesting question Nov 30 03:55:38 Can anyone help me? Nov 30 03:56:35 godtrunks: install backupmenu, boot with kbd slide open, fsck Nov 30 03:58:20 robbiethe1st: :-D, nice to hear you like H-E-N Nov 30 04:00:51 luke-jr: for rootfs I'd clearly opt for faster read Nov 30 04:01:53 hmm Nov 30 04:02:07 I just wasted a few hours copying my rootfs then :D Nov 30 04:02:16 sorry Nov 30 04:02:33 What'd did you change to modify the read/write speeds? Nov 30 04:02:38 @luke-jr Nov 30 04:02:56 eMMC vs 2G uSD vs 32G uSD Nov 30 04:04:08 Sorry for being a noob at this, but what do those acronyms stand for? Nov 30 04:04:10 while the size of the uSDs probably is just one facor Nov 30 04:04:23 Are they filesystems? Nov 30 04:04:53 embedded MultiMediaCard vs different sizes micro-SecureDigital flash card Nov 30 04:05:20 Trcx: uSD = MicroSD Nov 30 04:05:29 eMMC == /home/user/MyDocs Nov 30 04:05:41 ah, didn't recognize the micro abbreviations Nov 30 04:06:19 the µ doesn't work nice on a lot of IRC clients Nov 30 04:06:19 I suppose rootfs on eMMC and swap+/var/tmp on uSD… Nov 30 04:06:27 DocScrutinizer: nor on my kb :p Nov 30 04:07:05 luke-jr: yep, sounds sane Nov 30 04:07:32 How much battery life do you all get out of the n900? Nov 30 04:07:37 Trcx: a few hours Nov 30 04:07:42 don't forget var/log Nov 30 04:07:44 maybe a day if I don't use it Nov 30 04:07:48 DocScrutinizer: ah, true Nov 30 04:07:51 maybe all /var ? Nov 30 04:07:57 yup Nov 30 04:08:15 varIABLE/ Nov 30 04:08:21 ;) Nov 30 04:08:28 but is /var needed to boot? :/ Nov 30 04:08:33 ie, before fs are mounte Nov 30 04:08:42 errr, maybe not Nov 30 04:08:44 * luke-jr consults the FHS Nov 30 04:09:15 though on maemo everything is "different" Nov 30 04:09:20 see Nov 30 04:09:24 I'm not using Maemo remember :p Nov 30 04:09:25 ~optification Nov 30 04:09:25 extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... Nov 30 04:09:35 AAAHH Nov 30 04:09:40 "/usr, /opt, and /var are designed such that they may be located on other partitions or filesystems." Nov 30 04:09:41 sure, yeah Nov 30 04:09:50 indeed Nov 30 04:10:01 that's the idea behind them Nov 30 04:10:48 damn bot Nov 30 04:11:08 infobot: literal optification Nov 30 04:11:09 "optification" is "a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Nov 30 04:12:21 infobot: no, optification is optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 Nov 30 04:12:21 okay, DocScrutinizer Nov 30 04:12:22 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 Nov 30 04:12:30 fuuuuck Nov 30 04:13:46 infobot: no, optification is optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Nov 30 04:13:46 okay, DocScrutinizer Nov 30 04:14:18 infobot: optification is also ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS a""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 nd moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 Nov 30 04:14:19 DocScrutinizer: that's too long Nov 30 04:15:23 infobot: optification is also ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 Nov 30 04:15:23 okay, DocScrutinizer Nov 30 04:15:32 ~optification Nov 30 04:15:32 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 Nov 30 04:16:22 ~lock optification Nov 30 04:16:22 DocScrutinizer: locking factoid optification Nov 30 04:17:34 *sigh* Nov 30 04:22:54 luke-jr: was it you who told me about a method way simpler than my scripts&symlinks idea, to track which binaries in /usr/.?bin get called when during boot? Nov 30 04:26:59 * DocScrutinizer suddenly has an idea like "strace -ft -e trace=open init" Nov 30 04:28:43 DocScrutinizer, so, I've got a USB soundcard plugged in via HEN. It shows up as alsa card 1, or hw=1.0. How can I tell the stock media player to use that output? Nov 30 04:28:59 And/or configure pulse to use that as the output on the fly? Nov 30 04:29:19 probably better "strace -ft -e trace=open -p 1" in etc/inittab Nov 30 04:30:15 robbiethe1st: on the fly? nfc Nov 30 04:30:40 Well, without rebooting anyway. Something I can package into a script Nov 30 04:31:26 And hopefully something that won't crash the stock media player in the process, like killing/restarting pulse likely will Nov 30 04:31:34 hmmm, I don't know PA a lot. For ALSA I could tell you Nov 30 04:31:41 DocScrutinizer: I replaced some with strace wrappers Nov 30 04:31:55 DocScrutinizer: I also modified bootmenu.sh to 'set -x' and redirect stderr to a file Nov 30 04:32:14 nice Nov 30 04:34:36 robbiethe1st: you might ask javispedro when he's around again. It seems he wrapped his head around alsaped and stuff enough to tell you how to make a policy for mediaplayer aka musicplayback (or the policy that mafw is using is called) Nov 30 04:37:50 robbiethe1st: probably redirecting *all* output to hw:1.0 is the most simple thing to implement Nov 30 04:38:04 Yeah Nov 30 04:38:09 that's perfectly fine Nov 30 04:38:28 So long as I can switch it on and off relatively easily. Nov 30 04:38:32 but can't be done without at least restarting the whole audioservice Nov 30 04:40:09 initctl stop pulseaudio && initctl start pulseaudio Nov 30 04:41:52 >> load-module module-alsa-source-old source_name=source.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=480... Nov 30 04:42:07 How can I run a command as user pulse? Nov 30 04:42:16 errr >>load-module module-alsa-sink-old sink_name=sink.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=48000 fragment_size=1920 fragments=4 ... Nov 30 04:42:44 What do I need to add to /etc/sudoers to allow me to run /usr/bin/pacmd as user pulse Nov 30 04:42:45 su - pulse ? Nov 30 04:43:14 hmmm Nov 30 04:43:31 you can't run that cmd as user root? Nov 30 04:44:04 "No pulseaudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon Nov 30 04:44:42 HAH, Nov 30 04:44:43 ps | grep pulse shows "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority --resamp" running as pulse Nov 30 04:44:44 ### Sink for playing ringtones to both IHF and BT/HSP Nov 30 04:44:45 load-module module-combine sink_name=sink.hw0andhw1 slaves=sink.hw0,sink.hw1 slave_amps=0,-28 resample_method=trivial adjust_ Nov 30 04:44:47 time=1 Nov 30 04:45:19 duh, session dbus on user pulse? Nov 30 04:45:36 So how can I send it commands, then? Nov 30 04:46:08 anyway, just copy some file in /etc/sudoers.d/* and edit to read pulse instead of root Nov 30 04:50:31 robbiethe1st: see Nov 30 04:50:34 ### Default static drivers Nov 30 04:50:36 load-module module-alsa-sink-old sink_name=sink.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=48 Nov 30 04:50:45 and ff Nov 30 04:51:03 in /etc/pulse/system.pa Nov 30 04:51:12 yeah Nov 30 04:51:17 but probably your aproach is way better Nov 30 04:51:39 If I can manage to figure out a way to actually /run a command/... yeah Nov 30 04:53:49 nevertheless having a look to the above mentioned file, and siblings, esp /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf might help to properly define a dedicated policy etc for your card, with own volume and all Nov 30 04:54:19 yeah Nov 30 09:37:37 hi there, I have kwheeteur (0.6.1.1) installed on my n900 but oauth doesnt work when I create account and get redirect to api.twitter.com w/ microB Nov 30 09:38:18 when i input my account details, nothing happens and I dont see how to change the browser to be used by khweeteur to get the twitter token Nov 30 09:39:43 neal: ping Nov 30 09:48:44 anyone is using khweeteur as twitter client on n900 ? Nov 30 09:49:04 massoud: sry am not using twitter at all Nov 30 09:49:59 chem|st: no pb :) Nov 30 09:50:54 massoud: Occasopnally, though I need to set it up again on my spare n900 Nov 30 09:51:01 which is now my main Nov 30 09:55:53 I'm using a nokia n810 and I've the feeling to I've read somewhere that dsppcmsink was locking the cpu to a certain MHz speed Nov 30 09:56:15 something specific for the comunication between the arm core and the dsp Nov 30 09:57:23 there's any trick to manually lock the arm cpu to a certain speed instead of having it being adaptive to the load Nov 30 09:57:25 ? Nov 30 09:57:38 or a tool that I could install? Nov 30 09:58:59 the requirement is because I'm profiling some code with oprofile and the adaptive behaviour doesn't seems to give me the expected figures Nov 30 09:59:07 Is there some way of 'alt-tabbing' on the n900 without going over the task manager? Nov 30 10:00:02 also, where is the ctrl-backspace hotkey hooked and is it possible to remap it to something other than 'show taskmanager' Nov 30 10:00:31 if u have cssu or modified-hildon-desktop, yes Shapeshifter Nov 30 10:00:53 ad-n770: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1389367 Nov 30 10:02:04 Sicelo: I have CSSU Nov 30 10:05:11 http://my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html, http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Nov 30 10:05:21 apllies to cssu as well Nov 30 10:05:50 derf: thanks Nov 30 10:06:04 Yer welcome. Nov 30 10:06:07 Sicelo: thanks Nov 30 10:06:47 yw :) Nov 30 10:23:04 Upgraded to CSSU testing Nov 30 10:23:28 Can't notice anything changed... Nov 30 10:24:03 orientation lock has set to auto-orientation enabled, but seems not working Nov 30 11:15:30 DocScrutinizer: you about? Nov 30 11:17:38 I'm just thinking about the offline cellid/wap ssid database/service we were discussing some time back Nov 30 11:18:14 wondering what the difference between opencellid and openbmap is, other than the fact openbmap handles no only cell ids but also WAP SSIDs Nov 30 11:22:29 lardman|work: should work, scrambel eggs any time I close my device Nov 30 11:23:29 scramble eggs? Eh? Making me hungry even if I don't understand ;) Nov 30 11:26:11 ping X-Fade Nov 30 11:26:31 ~seen X-Fade Nov 30 11:26:39 x-fade is currently on #maemo (20h 47m 2s) #harmattan (20h 47m 2s) #meego (20h 47m 2s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 18h 40m 4s, last said: 'djszapi_: But that was before he changed jobs.'. Nov 30 11:35:14 lardman|work: my desktop goes portrait each time I close the device and I get like 'scrambled eggs' with my icons Nov 30 11:36:54 ah I see Nov 30 11:52:15 hey, anyone using khweeteur on n900 here ? Nov 30 11:52:50 i have n900 Nov 30 11:53:06 i recommend it really good phone Nov 30 12:02:38 anyone have a /rb.log file? it just has GOT HERE lines, weird Nov 30 12:09:12 HaXeri: n900 is a TERRIBLE phone. Nov 30 12:12:28 ah, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-06.log.html#t2010-07-06T17:46:20 Nov 30 12:16:05 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/30/microsoft_tempts_rivals_with_winpho_demo/ <-- for all those that want it ;) Nov 30 12:16:47 does n900 have such features? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/secret-software-logging-video/ Nov 30 12:17:13 Compared to the piece of junk that was my Motorola Z6, the N900 is a good phone Nov 30 12:17:25 It does what I need and any other arguments dont matter to me Nov 30 12:18:01 n900 is the best ssh-in-pocket-and-stuff imo Nov 30 12:18:24 About the only thing I wish it had was a better maps option, one that could display and use Google Transit GTFS data Nov 30 12:20:14 joga, considering the kernel is open and can roll your own I doubt it... but of course unless you can check through it all it's impossible to note Nov 30 12:20:34 though I similar test could be done with the N900 Nov 30 12:21:09 there's a kernel patch somewhere that allows to push all IP connections through a specific proxy so you could try that I guess Nov 30 12:21:19 to see what exactly is happening Nov 30 12:21:21 if anything Nov 30 13:22:55 bah, not getting anywhere with icd-wlan-priority, cant find anyone who is interested in helping me test stuff/get logs Nov 30 13:34:37 jonwil: Why should I help you? Nov 30 13:34:48 jonwil: I gave you packaging advice, which you completely ignored. Nov 30 13:35:02 what advice did I ignore? Nov 30 13:35:07 jonwil: You shouldn't modify the a library in place. Nov 30 13:35:17 jonwil: You have to copy it and then move it over the old binary. Nov 30 13:35:49 its been working just fine for everyone that has tested it so far Nov 30 13:39:49 jonwil: it's about problems when lib is in use Nov 30 13:40:29 well I haven't noticed any such problems in all my tests Nov 30 13:40:29 the processes using it will keep a file handle to the "old" version, even when it's "deleted" Nov 30 13:40:45 and we dont delete any "old" version Nov 30 13:40:50 DocScrutinizer: It is worse than that. Nov 30 13:40:57 DocScrutinizer: The data is mmap'ed Nov 30 13:41:02 we dpkg-divert the old version Nov 30 13:41:04 DocScrutinizer: And linux doesn't have MAP_COPY Nov 30 13:41:10 when you modify in place, the prog text and ram will differ Nov 30 13:41:20 DocScrutinizer: yes. Nov 30 13:41:27 DocScrutinizer: Say the library is 2 pages Nov 30 13:41:35 DocScrutinizer: the application faults in the first page Nov 30 13:41:41 DocScrutinizer: Then both pages are changed Nov 30 13:41:48 DocScrutinizer: Now the application faults in the second page Nov 30 13:42:03 DocScrutinizer: It now has an inconsistent binary: neither the first nor the second version! Nov 30 13:42:18 yes Nov 30 13:42:54 jonwil: Also, when I asked for help reviewing my package, you never bothered. Nov 30 13:46:15 so yeah my understanding of dpkg-divert (and reading the perl code for it) is that it uses rename to rename the file Nov 30 13:46:30 the mobile device market is going to hell. damn tablets Nov 30 13:47:03 so what happens is that libsms.so.0.0.0 gets renamed to libsms.so.0.0.0.divert Nov 30 13:47:26 any open handles to it still point to the file data on disk which has not changed Nov 30 13:47:59 then we copy that file to libsms.so.0.0.0 and change it Nov 30 13:48:42 so at that point, open file handles still point to libsms.so.0.0.0.divert which hasnt changed. A reboot then causes the new lib to be read Nov 30 13:48:46 that's a tiny bit silly as some process could open the lib after copy before edit Nov 30 13:49:17 except that the only process that links to libsms.so.0.0.0 on the N900 is the CSD SMS plugin Nov 30 13:49:25 sure Nov 30 13:49:25 the solution is simple: copy to /tmp, modify there, mv in place Nov 30 13:49:34 yes Nov 30 13:52:43 jonwil: note that the open filehandles don't need to point to a true file, so moving the lib to another name is basicaly not mandatory Nov 30 13:53:35 DocScrutinizer: The divert will cause the old libary to be restored on uninstall Nov 30 13:53:53 as long as there's still one open filehandle, the file data will persist even when it got "deleted" by e.g moving a new version over then name of the old one Nov 30 13:55:18 mv orig backup; mv orig /tmp/workcopy; edit /tmp/workcopy; mv /tmp/workcopy orig Nov 30 13:55:33 backup is basically irrelevent Nov 30 13:56:05 oops sorry Nov 30 13:56:30 cp orig backup; cp orig /tmp/workcopy; edit /tmp/workcopy; mv /tmp/workcopy orig Nov 30 13:56:30 DocScrutinizer: You need the backup to restore the old version on uninstall. Nov 30 13:56:48 neal: yes Nov 30 13:57:03 still it doesn't mater for the issue we are discussing Nov 30 13:57:34 it matters in the broader sense of how to modify the library Nov 30 13:57:42 dpkg-divert is the correct thing to do Nov 30 13:57:48 neal: I didn't say "useless", I said "irrelevant" Nov 30 13:57:51 you need the old version Nov 30 13:58:31 I'm talking about unix 101 Nov 30 13:58:46 sorry, this is not unix 101 :-) Nov 30 13:59:29 if you need a file to be *always* consistent (no chance for races), you don't edit in place, but rather mv an edited version over the old name Nov 30 14:00:25 a process will happily continue to use the old version until close() & fopen() Nov 30 14:00:48 see var/log/syslog, logrotatae etc Nov 30 14:01:07 who are you arguing with? Nov 30 14:01:15 meh Nov 30 14:01:16 this has been established Nov 30 14:02:52 DocScrutinizer: Who did you sign your contract with? Nov 30 14:17:11 this *is* unix 101 Nov 30 14:18:41 and Cpt Obvious obviously doesn't argue with anybody Nov 30 14:19:38 DocScrutinizer: Who is Cpt Obvious? Nov 30 14:19:55 (I guess it's a joke, but I don't get it...) Nov 30 14:21:01 The master of stating the obvious Nov 30 14:21:12 i.e. me Nov 30 14:21:46 you're saying you don't argue with anybody? Nov 30 14:21:56 weren't we just arguing? Nov 30 14:22:13 or do you prefer to be more politically correct and say that we were discussing? Nov 30 14:22:33 I thought we were on same page Nov 30 14:22:50 same doc, dff page? Nov 30 14:22:59 diff Nov 30 14:23:18 except for me saying "this is basics" and you not agreeing on either that fact or the equation basics==101 Nov 30 14:23:54 are we arguing now? Nov 30 14:24:00 no Nov 30 14:24:03 ok Nov 30 14:24:20 disagree != argue Nov 30 14:24:44 I can't even see where neal and I disagree Nov 30 14:25:27 this whole argument is because some other people say that my packaging scripts are not correct. As author of those packaging scripts, I get to decide how they are implemented even if it may not be the "right way" Nov 30 14:25:57 meh again, this time for longer Nov 30 14:26:09 you're welcome to do stupid things Nov 30 14:26:40 but rejecting advice on how to do the right thing is a way to lose respect and get ignored Nov 30 14:27:24 ok, I will do things the right way Nov 30 14:27:29 changing packaging scripts now Nov 30 14:27:42 well, as someone who breaks many rules, I can see your point of view. However non-conformity will generally come with a price Nov 30 14:27:59 Hi folks .. Nov 30 14:29:01 I cant see my package being a candidate for CSSU if it does things the "wrong way" :) Nov 30 14:31:47 Can someone take a look at http://www.cncmods.net/files/operator-name-cbs-widget-0.1.zip and tell me if the changes I just made to the packaging are the right ones? Nov 30 14:36:35 see, I listened to criticism :) Nov 30 14:42:36 lol, some idiot is asking about porting Maemo to the iPhail (aka iPhone) Nov 30 14:43:04 jonwil, that would be a great way to turn scrap metal into something useful. Nov 30 14:43:17 those "idiots" are our future users Nov 30 14:43:42 I usually welcome them Nov 30 14:44:37 hmmm good point Nov 30 14:44:41 orly? They are the bain of the forum. Nov 30 14:45:08 there's an initial interest in FOSS, so it's up to you to give the right answers to make FOSS more attractive than fruitcrap for them Nov 30 14:45:24 mmm Nov 30 14:45:47 atleast n900 does not come with pre-installed malware. Nov 30 14:45:53 (unless you count cherry) Nov 30 14:46:06 What I posted was that, no, you cant port Maemo to the iPhone because of the closed blobs. But you could port MeeGo to it if you had the hardware drivers Nov 30 14:46:08 cherry *IS* malware, by any metrics Nov 30 14:46:54 DocScrutinizer: when you finally figure out how to roll the CSSU firmware for flashing, you can miss that one out. Nov 30 14:47:06 (and ovi widget) Nov 30 14:47:18 isn't anyone going to give me feedback no the changes I made to my packaging scripts to make them do things the "right way"? Nov 30 14:47:54 vi_____: I requested like 12h ago what's state of cherry in CSSU Nov 30 14:48:20 hope to get NotMyNokia into CSSU(-S) Nov 30 14:49:44 jonwil: you're a tall boy now, we trust in you :-) changing 3 shell cmds according to a template given isn't that hard Nov 30 14:49:58 jonwil: I would love to however I am a mediocre scripter at best. I know little about debs. Nov 30 14:51:13 cp orig backup && edit backup && mv backup orig Nov 30 14:55:39 DocScrutinizer: Not enough. I want full on removal of cherry binary and start up scripts so it is COMPLETELY removed. no trace. not even the .cherry file in /home/user. Nov 30 14:56:00 cherry, gtfo my system. Nov 30 14:56:12 also, wtf android. Nov 30 14:56:27 How can they have had that keylogger installed for so long with no one noticing? Nov 30 14:57:06 I guess fandroids are not as techno 1337 as they want to think. Nov 30 14:59:40 vi_____: seems easy enough: apt-get remove --purge cherry Nov 30 15:00:38 frals, fing Nov 30 15:00:43 err, ping Nov 30 15:01:48 fong! Nov 30 15:03:07 ~fong MohammadAG Nov 30 15:03:18 ~ping MohammadAG Nov 30 15:03:19 pong MohammadAG Nov 30 15:03:27 tzzz Nov 30 15:54:03 How are noobs able to braek the n900 so hard? Nov 30 15:54:16 They install god knows what. Nov 30 15:54:21 randomly alter files Nov 30 15:54:37 then get on the forum and cry that the n900 sucks. Nov 30 15:54:40 hmm? Nov 30 15:54:53 aah, yes. Usual pattern Nov 30 15:55:39 heh, I consider myself a geek and someone who knows lots about linux and I was able to "break" my N900 (to the point where it only worked again with a reflash) by editing a dbus config file the wrong way Nov 30 15:55:49 lols Nov 30 15:58:09 best way do break a n900 is by usb hostmode :p Nov 30 15:58:31 and attach some high end mouse or something Nov 30 15:58:46 that reminds me Nov 30 15:58:55 mobile hdd would work prolly too Nov 30 15:58:55 when I attach a mouse Nov 30 15:59:13 with the usb mouse package installed Nov 30 15:59:28 it detects the mouse and shows the onscreen cursor, which is nice Nov 30 15:59:52 however anytime I move the mouse it forces the cursor to the top left of the screen. Nov 30 15:59:56 Why would that be? Nov 30 16:00:47 oh... Nov 30 16:01:26 that happend on windows98 if you minimized counterstrike and got killed Nov 30 16:02:06 net-split: oh, that's who caused "No more connections allowed in your connection class" on me? Nov 30 16:02:27 maybe Nov 30 16:07:47 neal : i am using khweeteur and i would like to use opera as default browser for oauth token handshake as microB doesnt work for me :( Nov 30 16:09:59 as microB doesnt Nov 30 16:10:01 work for me Nov 30 16:10:11 then figure out why dear liza. Nov 30 16:10:26 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/smartphone_spying_app/ does the n900 have "carrier IQ"? Nov 30 16:10:34 lol, no Nov 30 16:11:10 they said nokia in the article. How can one be sure? Nov 30 16:12:36 it's a lot harder to hide software like that on something that doesn't fight you Nov 30 16:12:46 that and it would have been found two years ago and removed Nov 30 16:13:28 fight you? Nov 30 16:13:45 yes, you don't have to search for a local exploit to gain root access Nov 30 16:14:00 or fight a signature-based security system to install software Nov 30 16:14:07 internetishard: The n900 has been dissected more than a Roswell alien. Nov 30 16:14:22 all pre-installed spyware is known about and eliminated. Nov 30 16:14:39 when? Nov 30 16:14:45 Is there any? Nov 30 16:14:51 when what? Nov 30 16:14:58 There is a thing called 'cherry' Nov 30 16:14:58 all pre-installed spyware is known about and eliminated. Nov 30 16:15:23 It is what prompts nokia to send you those 'welcome to ur nu fone' text messages. Nov 30 16:15:34 Also to incur premium rate SMS charges. Nov 30 16:15:44 SpeedEvil: orly? Nov 30 16:15:49 Without notifying the user, in contravention of UK law. Nov 30 16:15:50 SONOVVABITCH Nov 30 16:16:03 (how it works in other countries may vary) Nov 30 16:16:05 what are premium rate sms charges? Nov 30 16:16:07 SpeedEvil: I am on a contract, I did not know this. Nov 30 16:16:33 SpeedEvil: meh, it was 'apt-get purged' before I even added my sim. Nov 30 16:17:03 internetishard: SMSs to (or from) numbers that attract more cash than normal numbers. Nov 30 16:17:11 it also doesnt incur premium rate charges in any case Nov 30 16:17:16 or at least, never did for me Nov 30 16:17:40 I accidentally texted back to a foreign number and ended up costing 60$ on t-mobile in the US Nov 30 16:17:44 would that count? Nov 30 16:17:49 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10506 Nov 30 16:17:51 04Bug 10506: 'My nokia' unsubscribe attempt costs money. This is in breach of the UK regulations on premium rate texts. Nov 30 16:18:04 mine never cost money to unsubscribe Nov 30 16:18:17 It may well vary with country, and how it's implemented. Nov 30 16:18:23 i'm in the uk, on o2 Nov 30 16:18:39 At least iOS says "Your carrier may charge you for Facetime activation SMS" Nov 30 16:18:40 MAy also have changed since pr1.0 Nov 30 16:18:46 Cancel | OK Nov 30 16:19:31 http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH0sUfMA5DNLCor4ORh4tFfEc6DXXbJtteTynE8nTa3vd8VggUO7gkKj0S2w Nov 30 16:34:57 I am using maemo fremantle 1.3 on N900 Nov 30 16:35:12 How do I upgrade the flash version on firefox mobile ? Nov 30 16:36:19 You don't. Nov 30 16:37:17 SpeedEvil, Don't or cant ? Nov 30 16:37:31 I am using http://wiki.maemo.org/Firefox_mobile Nov 30 16:38:27 There is no upgrade of flash since 9.?? Nov 30 16:48:12 SpeedEvil, I can't listen to audio streams from BBC radio one Nov 30 16:50:54 u might find that the flash points to a location u can actually type in media player Nov 30 16:53:58 i have found streams like that Nov 30 16:56:17 pavi: through iplayer, you mean? Nov 30 16:57:37 Sicelo, on a phone? I wanna listen to radio Nov 30 16:57:52 SpeedEvil, yeah iplayer damned needs 10 flash Nov 30 16:58:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34173&page=11 Nov 30 16:58:29 that's what i meant too pavi Nov 30 16:58:55 In principle, get_iplayer may be convincable to work. Nov 30 16:59:00 Sicelo, on a desktop i can easily find flash locaqtion but on n900 Nov 30 17:04:20 do you know how to change the default browser used by httplib2 python modules ? Nov 30 17:15:19 By the way I cant find firefox on the mozilla site did they remove it ? Nov 30 17:16:26 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/1.0/releasenotes/ says that I should go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/m which is redirecting me to android market !! Nov 30 17:16:44 Why does mozilla think that android is the only mobile in the world :O Nov 30 17:18:21 got the correct one http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/releases/7.0/maemo5-gtk/en-US/fennec_7.0_armel.deb Nov 30 17:24:49 too bad they dumped fennec on maemo, having a proper browser on n9 would be nice Nov 30 17:28:30 everyone says future meego is doomed maemo is long gone . damn those peeps Nov 30 17:31:48 pavi: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/releases/7.0.1/maemo5-gtk/ was the last official release. Nov 30 17:32:28 derf, oops ok Nov 30 17:38:22 Damn you BBC . I hate you . Nov 30 17:39:01 only thing is I get quality streams of radio from you . else I never would come to you Nov 30 17:39:10 Libre.fm Here I come Nov 30 17:42:10 pavi: does this play what u want? mplayer -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1.asx Nov 30 17:43:19 WFM Nov 30 17:43:23 (on my n900) Nov 30 17:46:14 Sicelo, it exited saying that cache has been filled Nov 30 17:46:54 Sicelo, working now :) thanks Nov 30 17:48:20 Sicelo, SpeedEvil got the entire streams list at http://bbcstreams.com/ Nov 30 17:48:28 neat Nov 30 17:48:53 kewl ;) Nov 30 17:49:06 u can put that in Media Player Nov 30 17:49:46 Sicelo, Yeah doing that :) Nov 30 18:20:13 CSSU-Testing1.1 available for update Nov 30 18:20:57 reports about modest stability *much* appreciated Nov 30 18:22:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1131168 Nov 30 18:22:27 DocScrutinizer: *charging* Nov 30 18:22:49 hehe Nov 30 18:23:05 safety first, eh? Nov 30 18:23:22 the update from Tmaemo1 went smooth Nov 30 18:24:26 chem|st: could you close that 5k-posts thread please? Nov 30 18:26:21 chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1131169&postcount=5430 Nov 30 18:29:55 done Nov 30 18:30:58 DocScrutinizer: it was not letting me upgrade if battery is to low on previous releases so I thought it wont let me this time, would get a charge anyway... Nov 30 18:31:34 chem|st: thanks Nov 30 18:33:14 n9 still 579eur, I would buy one for testing if not that expensive... Nov 30 18:33:32 a moto defy+ is like 275eur... Nov 30 18:33:43 and IP67^^ Nov 30 18:34:26 s/275/230/ Nov 30 18:34:51 I'll have a look in '12 Nov 30 18:35:24 have some issues with sim recognition... but n900s are expensive too Nov 30 18:46:55 any mac osx users of Flasher-3.5 here? i'm trying to flash my n900 but i can't find where Flasher is installed *to* on my mac Nov 30 18:46:58 if anyone knows, please tell me. Nov 30 20:24:07 hi, anybody using CSSU testing? Nov 30 20:24:34 yes. Nov 30 20:24:43 I found Fcamera based application conflict with stock camera Nov 30 20:25:15 Both of those won't work after drivers-fcam installed. Nov 30 20:32:16 umm, I don't think that's CSSU related Nov 30 20:32:52 the drivers are kernel-specific, and CSSU doesn't touch kernel stuff Nov 30 20:34:15 I'm not saying it's impossible, after all CSSU comes with a camera-ui replacement. But it's rather unlikely it will mess with drivers Nov 30 20:36:36 DocScrutinizer I used to have extra-devel enabled and then it will work. Nov 30 20:37:08 umm, does it work now, or not? Nov 30 20:37:18 Since first time I reflashed the N900, I mount only extras and POWER kernel. Nov 30 20:37:30 Then I found this problem... Nov 30 20:38:11 sorry, you lost me Nov 30 20:38:18 DocScrutinizer: ... Nov 30 20:40:26 installatio of powerkernel is known to break fcam-modules, see PK-FAQ #1. CSSU should not mess with camera drivers Nov 30 20:42:38 DocScrutinizer so the PK in extra devel fixed this? Nov 30 20:47:56 I think the FAQ should tell all about it. It's just that PK doesn't come with fcam drivers, but rather fcam comes with drivers for each kernel flavour. So if you install a new kernel after fcam, you got driver mismatch -> uninstall and reinstall *all* camera related things Nov 30 20:49:06 not at all CSSU related Nov 30 20:49:35 and an age old issue, pronanly THE #1 FAQ Nov 30 20:49:47 probably* Nov 30 20:50:02 that's pretty retarded IMO Nov 30 20:50:08 why doesn't power kernel include fcam yet? Nov 30 20:50:23 don't ask me what's up with that stuff Nov 30 20:51:15 * luke-jr has included fcam in the Gentoo kernel sources for years now Nov 30 20:51:21 I never even wrapped my head around how fcam deploys matching drivers for different kernels Nov 30 20:51:51 DocScrutinizer: it's basically a modified cam driver Nov 30 20:52:04 so what? I know that Nov 30 20:52:16 not sure what you mean by "how" then Nov 30 20:52:30 how as in.... HOW Nov 30 20:52:55 apt-get install fcam -> what does it do to get the right drivers installed Nov 30 20:53:05 uname -a ? Nov 30 20:53:09 I think it installs the modules for all of them? Nov 30 20:53:15 OUCH Nov 30 20:54:33 I'd like to know what's fcam maintainers' monthly expense for Aspirin Nov 30 21:51:02 yay new CSSU Nov 30 21:51:10 curious to see the changes in modest Nov 30 21:52:11 it's 1 translation string and hopefully stable modest now Nov 30 21:53:16 ludens: report back if your modest appreas more stable, (not only slightly but a lot more stable) Nov 30 21:54:41 i was excited about the last patch that was implemented, but it only worked faster for a short while Nov 30 21:54:54 unfortunately i dont have enough battery to update now Nov 30 21:57:48 merlin1991: the other day i almost threw my phone away because i was so frustrated by modest :) Nov 30 21:58:03 modest frustates me a lot too :D Nov 30 22:04:40 modest frustrates me because I never use it and yet Maemo insists on keeping it in memory… Nov 30 22:05:45 it amazes me how it can freeze for so long loading something, but not putting any pressure on the CPU Nov 30 22:06:27 ludens: advanced engineering ;) Nov 30 22:07:57 ludens: Maemo is too memory-heavy. It's always busy swapping Nov 30 22:11:05 luke-jr: ah i see Nov 30 22:11:33 that makes sense Nov 30 22:18:02 ludens: Even KDE isn't as bad IMO Nov 30 22:53:14 that's mainly because way too many apps/processes are preloaded and locked to memory so they would start faster Nov 30 22:53:43 so the rest of the flock has to fight about the remaing few MB real RAM Nov 30 22:54:53 the really paradox and sad thing is that the swapping of the rest still blocks the memlocked stuff, and so everything gets slow Nov 30 22:55:30 DocScrutinizer: there's just too little RAM Nov 30 22:55:57 no Nov 30 22:56:05 there are too many greedy processes Nov 30 22:56:24 running an optimized phone OS in little ram is ok Nov 30 22:56:31 running linux is not Nov 30 22:56:46 i mean, what could you do? Nov 30 22:57:24 sure, switch pulseaudio with alsa and send trackerd back to the hell it belongs to Nov 30 22:57:35 e.g not implement memlocked apps in a greedy toolkit that makes "hello world" eat 20MB of RAM? Nov 30 23:02:31 and I really wonder if it's useful to have a memlocked e.g. dialer eat lots of RAM, and then wait for X to swap out the app that just runs to make space for dialer actually displaying, rather than give the RAM to X so it doesn't need to swap out and better READ the dialer from eMMC or whatever so it doesn't need to hog memeory Nov 30 23:04:25 I'm not sure I sound coherent here, but I have a feeling there's sth suboptimal (or rather "overoptimized") Nov 30 23:06:22 * DocScrutinizer ponders to actually go the strace * route, and watch shit hit the fan on inbound call Nov 30 23:07:04 but I'm afraid I couldn't read thru the tracelog in a year :-P Nov 30 23:07:35 Or just do it oldskool. Nov 30 23:07:45 Dialer alwys displayed on a differetn virtual desktop Nov 30 23:07:53 :nod: Nov 30 23:08:23 but then browser, his dog, whatnot else is deemed as important as dialer to start up FAAAAAAST Nov 30 23:08:50 how many virual screens do we want? Nov 30 23:08:59 virtual hehe Nov 30 23:10:14 when you optimize * to start up fast, by assigning RAM and negative niceness, in the end everything gets slow Nov 30 23:11:59 if OTOH a silly simple GUI like dialer is not built out of 947 Qt widgets, it *could* be lean Nov 30 23:12:24 and fast Nov 30 23:12:37 and stay in RAM without causing too much trouble Nov 30 23:13:13 well, maybe dialer is the wrong example now, but it's randomly picked. You name it Nov 30 23:19:22 you still recall the cheapernet congestion syndrome? when on 10B2 ethernet collisions explode and every MAC just goes into infinite retransmit mode - it feels to me as if on N900 there's a similar critical mass of running apps when everything goes boom and comes to a grinding halt all of a sudden Nov 30 23:33:11 Exactly Dec 01 00:11:01 huy Dec 01 00:11:10 hy i have a problem with my n900 Dec 01 00:11:17 i remain stuck in boot menu Dec 01 00:11:40 it's any command that i can remove bootmenu1.1? Dec 01 00:12:38 the proximity sensor (GPIO 89) it's changinf all the time, closing and open Dec 01 00:12:44 what shoud i do? Dec 01 00:15:10 any help? Dec 01 00:15:35 I suppose covering the prox sensor doesn't make it not do that? Dec 01 00:16:21 no Dec 01 00:16:27 it's the slide senzor Dec 01 00:16:34 oh Dec 01 00:16:40 and it's tarting all the time the boot menu Dec 01 00:16:40 Is that the magnet one? Dec 01 00:16:53 i don't know Dec 01 00:17:10 I'd try to get a magnet, and see if you can make it not do that by applying the magnet Dec 01 00:17:21 Also - are you near any high power equipment or wires? Dec 01 00:18:11 no Dec 01 00:18:30 i don't have a magnet Dec 01 00:18:55 it's a command line that restore maemo boot?# Dec 01 00:18:59 or something? Dec 01 00:19:23 No, an actual magnet, to trip the sensor in the keyboard more to one state. Dec 01 00:19:34 You haven't gotten the n900 wet? Dec 01 00:19:55 no Dec 01 00:20:13 i don't know Dec 01 00:20:22 any ideea? Dec 01 00:20:38 hot to restore by command line original boot menu? Dec 01 00:20:47 how to restore by command line original boot menu? Dec 01 00:28:30 Sorry - not sure. Dec 01 00:35:27 flash kernel only boot into maemo and be happy? Dec 01 00:42:30 getting a bit confused here; trying to install stuff on a n770 tablet .. I can download and when I open the package / whatever is launches the application installer, but it can't seem to install the application package I opened, it just shows me the normal online ones Dec 01 00:43:42 ahh never mind, I think I found it. Install from file Dec 01 00:45:44 zcat[1]: poor you. Dec 01 00:46:03 zcat[1]: 770 was obsolete when it was released. years later, it's beyond unmaintained… Dec 01 00:47:09 so it's worth what I paid for it .. Dec 01 00:47:53 A friend acquired 25 of them, wants to try and make them modestly useful and resell. Dec 01 00:48:25 so far this one's actually pretty good. I can watch video on it, check my email .. Dec 01 00:48:40 :) Dec 01 00:48:50 I question if they'd not all need new batteries. Dec 01 00:49:17 well this one seems to hold out for a few hours at least Dec 01 00:50:01 I think they may have had new batteries sometime in their life. Dec 01 00:50:14 (other than when they were actually new) Dec 01 01:06:53 oi! a spontanious idea: gentoo-arm on a nokia n900? how hard is it to accomplish? Dec 01 01:07:17 sorry if any of you just saw that msg in gentoo-chat ;) Dec 01 01:08:04 you wanna talk to luke-jr|otg Dec 01 01:08:40 how so? does he have a n900 too? Dec 01 01:14:02 maybe Dec 01 01:14:31 a lot of users here in do Dec 01 01:18:16 good to hear. I'm almost sick n tired of maemo5. maybe I installed too much crap but it doesnt feel nice anymore. considered reflashing for awhile now. Dec 01 01:19:20 go for it Dec 01 01:20:17 my CSSU feels nicer than ever before Dec 01 01:24:41 ATM I'm sitting in my pub, IRCing via 3G while listening to Eldrige/Sisterhood. All thanks N900 Dec 01 01:27:32 you could theat me to throw iPhone4gs at me until I drop my N900 - I won't Dec 01 01:28:55 just hedphones volume too low, I need to put boost900 on purpose Dec 01 01:31:26 heh, not a big fan of apples, they tend to make your stomage hurt or be rotten ;) Dec 01 01:31:56 what you have lost / can never be founf / words are just dust / in desserts of sound Dec 01 01:32:28 mmm yes, the dessert plains of zombieland :) Dec 01 01:34:20 I'm gonna go install lovely ol' NWN under ubuntu 11.10 and see if it runs there, will expect a sdl parachute a Dec 01 01:35:07 s/a/as usual but it would be hax to get it going again =)/g Dec 01 01:35:08 arvut meant: I'm gonnas usual but it would be hax to get it going again =) go instas usual but it would be hax to get it going again =)ll lovely ol' NWN under ubuntu 11.10 as usual but it would be hax to get it going again =)nd see if it runs there, will expect as usu... Dec 01 01:35:20 eh?? Dec 01 01:35:45 that infobot drives me nuts sometimes lol Dec 01 01:36:01 it gets it all wrongdydong Dec 01 01:36:07 ~rape arvut Dec 01 01:36:08 * infobot takes arvut behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Dec 01 01:36:38 r0fl =) Dec 01 01:36:55 thats just sick Dec 01 01:39:32 I dunno how. but my tab-collection has grown from the nice number 234 to a remarkable 284 in 6 days time. and I've firefoxed 3 times for only a few hours total in this period.. Dec 01 01:40:05 silly me.. need to stop doing this. getting out of control Dec 01 01:40:18 arvut: I maintain Gentoo for N900 Dec 01 01:40:33 imagine all those tabs in fennec =) Dec 01 01:40:50 arvut: I can move it to Gitorious if you want to assist. ;) Dec 01 01:41:01 luke-jr: nice, does it run well? can you point me in the right direction in setting it up? Dec 01 01:41:46 arvut: I haven't written any howtos yet… perhaps you want to do that? :p Dec 01 01:41:57 luke-jr: I cant code that well, know some C and some more C++ & C#. but not enough to be productive ;) Dec 01 01:41:59 http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a_hardfp/stage3-armv7a_hardfp-20111108.tar.bz2 Dec 01 01:42:10 well, it's more ebuild writing (BASH) than coding Dec 01 01:42:17 except for kernels I guess Dec 01 01:44:09 luke-jr: heh, one day sure =) I'm still trying to get thru the gentoo install, usually get stuck at the compile kernel stage. setting useflags on a coppermine (P3) notebook and installing it (for the 2nd time) on my nehalem i7 (950) Dec 01 01:44:28 arvut: I'm still using almost-stock Fremantle kernel for Gentoo Dec 01 01:45:00 so not there yet but I do have a big interest in this stuff. feels more like working with something than using it. used ubuntu and maemo since 2008 and 2009 Dec 01 01:45:24 arvut: basically, install via Maemo Dec 01 01:45:39 oh? via the xterm? Dec 01 01:45:40 carefully repartition your eMMC, or uSD if you're installing on that Dec 01 01:45:42 yes Dec 01 01:47:16 eMMC i think. or whatever is in there from the start. havent actually touched it since I bought it. hate that the MyDocs is fat and old 16 (or was it 32?) tho Dec 01 01:48:05 my eMMC partition layout is: p1(2 GB vfat), p5(10 GB ext2), p6(16 GB ext2), p2(2 GB ext3), p3(805 MB swap) Dec 01 01:48:20 had some issues with read only on the MyDocs partition tho. think they solved themselves Dec 01 01:48:51 ah, nice Dec 01 01:49:20 my eMMC partition layout is: p1(2 GB vfat "MyDocs"), p5(10 GB ext2 "Gentoo root"), p6(16 GB ext2 "data"), p2(2 GB ext3 "Maemo home"), p3(805 MB swap) Dec 01 01:49:20 Vision Thing [just playing] Dec 01 01:49:34 bbl Dec 01 01:49:36 * luke-jr ponders repartitioning eMMC… Dec 01 01:49:48 how much room left for camera and all that then? or do you store that stuff on p5? Dec 01 01:49:58 arvut: camera must use MyDocs Dec 01 01:50:05 it depends on case-insensitivity Dec 01 01:50:22 oh Dec 01 01:50:34 and where is your MyDocs then? Dec 01 01:50:41 … Dec 01 01:50:43 [20:46:03] my eMMC partition layout is: p1(2 GB vfat "MyDocs"), p5(10 GB ext2 "Gentoo root"), p6(16 GB ext2 "data"), p2(2 GB ext3 "Maemo home"), p3(805 MB swap) Dec 01 01:50:54 oh right :) Dec 01 01:51:19 if I did it again, I'd probably trash the "data" one for more space in "Gentoo root" and "MyDocs" Dec 01 01:51:29 always running out of space on MyDocs Dec 01 01:51:42 why not use ext4 on data? Dec 01 01:51:45 it's a small world and it smells funny, I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money Dec 01 01:52:01 original plan was to use the 16 GB (it was "free" back then) for MeeGo and Ubuntu Dec 01 01:52:13 arvut: Fremantle kernel was before ext4 was reasonably stable Dec 01 01:52:21 aha Dec 01 01:52:22 arvut: also, I don't trust ext3/journal with flash Dec 01 01:52:54 I see, so the flash memory can corrupt the fs if its journaling? Dec 01 01:53:58 journalling means everything gets written to Block X before its permanent location Dec 01 01:54:04 which increases the wear on Block X significantly Dec 01 01:54:18 hmm, any reason why python should have a 2GB partition? Dec 01 01:54:21 and since flash often writes things out of order, the assumption is also false Dec 01 01:54:34 ie, the permanent location could end up committed before Block X Dec 01 01:54:41 Python? Dec 01 01:54:53 yeah Dec 01 01:55:12 oh wait. thats opt Dec 01 01:55:19 =) Dec 01 01:55:19 * jonwil is looking for testers of operator-name-cbs-widget Dec 01 01:55:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80526 Dec 01 01:55:58 arvut: pretty much any Maemo apps go in "home" Dec 01 01:56:00 aka opt Dec 01 01:56:05 not just Pythn Dec 01 02:00:54 yeah, just got slightly confused with the returned data from "df -h" Dec 01 02:01:22 so many python dirs mounted at different places Dec 01 02:02:03 jonwil: that looks incredibly cool, ill give it a shot :) Dec 01 02:02:13 please do Dec 01 02:02:27 I want to make sure it actually installs properly with the fixes I just made to the packaging Dec 01 02:03:54 so "dpkg -i operator-name-cbs-widget_0.1_armel.deb" to install it? Dec 01 02:04:11 tryinf Dec 01 02:04:28 trying to sound like our olf Dec 01 02:04:36 old friend: Dec 01 02:04:45 What do we need to make our world come alive? Dec 01 02:04:47 What does it take to make us sing? Dec 01 02:04:48 While we're waiting for the next one to arrive? Dec 01 02:04:50 One million points of light, one billion dollar vision thing Dec 01 02:05:01 feck. clicked reset on the irssi window lol. was gonna copy Dec 01 02:05:15 old friend == pupnik Dec 01 02:05:37 a black nothingish irssi :) clock just returned tho Dec 01 02:06:28 use xchat! Dec 01 02:08:00 nuh uh =P Dec 01 02:08:18 I like my irssi just fine Dec 01 02:10:31 what themes do you guys use on your n900s btw? anyone else here whos a big fan of the "Array" theme? Dec 01 02:16:24 so avrut, did the package install correctly? Dec 01 02:22:02 jonwil: ill give you a paste in a moment. exit code 1 so I guess not Dec 01 02:22:12 ok, please do Dec 01 02:23:54 the packaging must still not be right I guess :( Dec 01 02:24:10 >>I don't know why you're gonna be so undemanding<< Dec 01 02:25:34 I WANT MORE Dec 01 02:26:29 * SpeedEvil uses the default theme. Dec 01 02:28:14 I've been more partial to the reflect theme myself Dec 01 02:29:24 jonwil: http://goo.gl/6rFa4 Dec 01 02:30:12 jonwil: link to deb? Dec 01 02:30:16 * merlin1991 feels brave Dec 01 02:30:41 sethstorm: reflect theme huh? ill give it a try =) Dec 01 02:31:06 hold on, I see the problem avrut had Dec 01 02:31:08 let me fix Dec 01 02:31:24 only way I go with something that looks like the maemo 5 stock theme is with my n810w Dec 01 02:31:24 hm though I'm a bad tester Dec 01 02:31:30 2g does no work on my n900 anymore Dec 01 02:31:54 jonwil: I see the operatorname widget under setting btw. went to change theme and noticed its there and well, working afaik =) Dec 01 02:32:33 ok, can you go to xterm and do mv /usr/lib/libsms.so.x /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 Dec 01 02:32:43 that will complete the install Dec 01 02:33:06 then reboot and everything should be working Dec 01 02:33:11 reboot the n900 that is Dec 01 02:33:55 what does these three options do? "Logging Enabled", "Name Logging Enabled" & "Cell Broadcast Enabled" Dec 01 02:34:22 the log options you dont want to turn on, they are to log stuff thats going on inside the plugin Dec 01 02:34:26 to make sure its doing what it should be Dec 01 02:34:31 jonwil: ill give it a dareful try then =) Dec 01 02:34:37 nope, you dont want them Dec 01 02:34:49 you wont understand the logs unless you know lots about whats going on :) Dec 01 02:34:53 the fix, that is Dec 01 02:34:56 ok Dec 01 02:34:58 yeah Dec 01 02:34:59 try that Dec 01 02:35:08 jonwil: always willing to learn ;) Dec 01 02:35:20 "cell broadcast enabled" will enable the display of cell tower names if your operator is sending them Dec 01 02:36:58 cool, will enable that then Dec 01 02:37:14 after reboot or now? Dec 01 02:37:18 :P Dec 01 02:37:38 now Dec 01 02:37:40 then reboot Dec 01 02:37:57 most operators only send those broadcast messages on 2G though Dec 01 02:38:16 k, I'll do so and then report back to u before bootin Dec 01 02:38:42 jonwil: there are reports of your thing fsckgup SMS send Dec 01 02:39:06 yeah I know, thats why I uploaded a new deb file to fix it Dec 01 02:39:46 no change, or telia doesnt send phonetower names :/ rebooting now. ttys Dec 01 02:39:57 jonwil: anything I can do to help testing the packaging? Dec 01 02:40:22 you could try installing http://www.cncmods.net/files/operator-name-cbs-widget_0.1_armel.deb Dec 01 02:40:41 make sure it gives no errors Dec 01 02:40:48 Dr. Jeep Dec 01 02:42:09 jonwil: exit code 0 Dec 01 02:42:23 good Dec 01 02:42:27 that means it installed properly Dec 01 02:42:42 but why are the settings under personalisation? Dec 01 02:42:46 Dont know Dec 01 02:42:53 isn't it better in the conenction category? Dec 01 02:42:53 thats just where they ended up :P Dec 01 02:42:58 now I suggest turning on "cell broadcast enabled" Dec 01 02:43:01 and rebooting the N900 Dec 01 02:43:09 to see whether your operator is sending any Dec 01 02:43:16 doubtful but you never know :P Dec 01 02:43:34 yep Dec 01 02:43:52 btw I really suggest you change the Categories in the .desktop so it ends up under conneciton settings Dec 01 02:44:28 dsmetool -b is great :) Dec 01 02:44:59 (it's a way cleaner reboot than issuing reboot over ssh) Dec 01 02:45:51 jonwil: does it listen for changes in the gconf settings? Dec 01 02:45:57 yes it does Dec 01 02:46:05 where would the logs end up? Dec 01 02:46:54 home/user/cbsms.log and home/user/opername.log Dec 01 02:47:07 or - even better - lsten to Be fiftytwo's Dec 01 02:47:28 52 Girls Dec 01 02:50:47 yeah no tower name over 3g Dec 01 02:50:52 I doubt you will find anything interesting in those logs anyway Dec 01 02:51:27 can you name them today?? Dec 01 02:51:31 is cell id a tower id? Dec 01 02:51:55 yes Dec 01 02:52:12 name what today? Dec 01 02:52:19 yes Dec 01 02:52:49 would be interesting to use the cellid for some sort of location aware deamon Dec 01 02:53:37 thought it was used for assisting the onboard GPS Dec 01 02:53:47 cell ID isn't very useful for that by itself Dec 01 02:53:47 53 Miles west o Venus - WOW Dec 01 02:53:58 GPS is the only way to get a usable location Dec 01 02:54:06 isn't it unique? Dec 01 02:54:13 not unique enough Dec 01 02:54:28 I can be a mile away from my tower Dec 01 02:54:32 I mean for a broad statement as in I'm at home cell id could be sufficient? Dec 01 02:54:34 and it'd think I'd be there Dec 01 02:54:47 or let's say I'm in my home area Dec 01 02:55:05 jonwil: remove worked fine too Dec 01 02:55:09 ok, great Dec 01 02:55:40 I guess I need yet another reboot to load the old libsms into mem? Dec 01 02:55:45 yeah Dec 01 02:55:48 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=53+miles+west+of+venus&oq=53+miles&aq=5&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=5391l8673l0l11312l8l8l0l4l4l0l313l1077l2-3.1l4l0 excuse me for being totally OT today Dec 01 02:56:08 Given that my phone will switch towers even when its plugged in and charging and not moving, using cell tower ID for any kind of location information is totally pointless Dec 01 02:56:18 jonwil: It's not. Dec 01 02:56:38 jonwil: It is pointless if you require location finer than the tower range. Dec 01 02:56:55 cellid would be enough, IF we could see more than one ;) Dec 01 02:56:58 eh? Dec 01 02:57:12 and signal strength of each Dec 01 02:57:25 (ok, you'd need 3 visible) Dec 01 02:57:31 jonwil: do you know any way to get cellid without starting at the log your system produces? Dec 01 02:57:35 Signal strenght doesn't really work at all. Dec 01 02:57:52 SpeedEvil: neither do we have access to multiple towers, Afaik Dec 01 02:57:55 no I dont know how to get cell ID easily Dec 01 02:58:03 and no we dont have any access to information from multiple towers Dec 01 02:58:10 the cellmo doesnt expose that info Dec 01 02:58:36 in any case I only use the cell ID to determine that we are in a new cell and therefore need a new cell tower name and I dont care about using cell tower info for location Dec 01 02:58:38 jonwil: cellid is easy Dec 01 02:58:54 n900 has a GPS chip, if you want location, use it :) Dec 01 02:59:34 what if the GPS sats are wiped out? Dec 01 02:59:36 <.< **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 01 02:59:58 2011