**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 03 02:59:57 2011 Dec 03 05:27:04 w00t kdelibs finished Dec 03 05:48:25 I just installed awesome on ubuntu and it's not showing the wallpaper. Dec 03 05:48:42 sorry wrong channel Dec 03 08:17:17 In KP48 my N900 reboots if usb networking is heavily used. I thought that bug was fixed long time ago. Dec 03 08:18:19 Another gripe with KP is that bluetooth headset Nokia BH-214 doesnt work properly Dec 03 08:19:27 DocScrutinizer, you are still on old kp version? Dec 03 10:28:25 :) Dec 03 10:59:34 yes Dec 03 11:01:33 godtrunks' ?-key is defect!!!!!!!!! Dec 03 11:02:26 ?-key? Dec 03 11:02:34 his question mark? :) Dec 03 11:02:39 yes Dec 03 11:03:05 well.. there is always the option of copying and pasting it heh Dec 03 11:03:31 like this ng??? Dec 03 11:04:03 * dm8tbr fwaps around presently active people with large and heavy punctuation marks Dec 03 11:04:46 [2011-12-03 03:09:59] How i see if my slide sensor is working??? Dec 03 11:04:48 [2011-12-03 03:10:37] What command line i use??? Dec 03 11:05:57 fitpc is amd fuion? Dec 03 11:06:12 kind thought they were using arms Dec 03 11:06:15 frubl is mmmbl glaap Dec 03 11:06:27 are you drunk? Dec 03 11:06:33 are you? Dec 03 11:07:19 his first days as corporate slave already made him an alcoholic *gasp* Dec 03 11:09:47 ~spell fitpc Dec 03 11:09:49 possible spellings for fitpc: FTC ftp ftps FDIC nitpick ftper Dec 03 11:10:00 ~dict amd Dec 03 11:10:03 Dictionary 'amd' (1 of 3): 1. {Advanced Micro Devices}. 2. According to Don Olivier , his system manager came in to work one morningn to find his IBM system down with a message on the console that said "AMD failure". After he and the service rep had puzzled over documentation for an hour or so they called headquarters and eventually learned that it the failure was in the cooling system: an AMD is an "air ... Dec 03 11:10:09 ahaaa Dec 03 11:10:28 ~spell fuion Dec 03 11:10:29 possible spellings for fuion: Fiona fusion Fin fin fun Finn fain furn futon feign Fionna Faun Fina faun fine Faina Fiann finny funny ion quoin Fan fan fen Flin Dec 03 11:10:48 morning doc Dec 03 11:10:55 morning ZogG_laptop Dec 03 11:11:03 ~dict cloud Dec 03 11:11:05 Dictionary 'cloud' (2 of 19): \Cloud\, v. i. To grow cloudy; to become obscure with clouds; -- often used with up. [1913 Webster] Worthies, away! The scene begins to cloud. --Shak. [1913 Webster] ;; suspicion affecting your reputation; "after that mistake he was under a cloud". Dec 03 11:11:35 ~dict morsel Dec 03 11:11:37 Dictionary 'morsel' (1 of 4): \Mor"sel\, n. [OF. morsel, F. morceau, LL. morsellus, a dim. fr. L. morsus a biting, bite, fr. mordere to bite; prob. akin to E. smart. See {Smart}, and cf. {Morceau}, {Mordant}, {Muse}, v., {Muzzle}, n.] 1. A little bite or bit of food. --Chaucer. [1913 Webster] Every morsel to a satisfied hunger is only a new labor to a tired digestion. --South. [1913 Webster] 2. A small quantity; a little piece; a ... Dec 03 11:14:25 ~dict smegma Dec 03 11:14:27 Dictionary 'smegma' (1 of 2): \Smeg"ma\, n. [NL., fr. Gr. ???? soap, fr. ????? to wash off.] (Physiol.) The matter secreted by any of the sebaceous glands. Specifically: (a) The soapy substance covering the skin of newborn infants. (b) The cheesy, sebaceous matter which collects between the glans penis and the foreskin. [1913 Webster]. Dec 03 11:15:26 dm8tbr: I got a ClearCase crash course lesson mental defect Dec 03 11:16:23 while ClearCase is the only tool they are using that I at least heard about, rest is proprietary Dec 03 11:16:39 clearcase is fine ;) Dec 03 11:17:14 figure somebody explains you in 2h how linux kernel works and how it's build under ClearCase Dec 03 11:17:36 you can use clearcase always as excuse ;) Dec 03 11:18:29 nah, I guess CC is fine, just the source managed in it is way too mighty and with **weird** naming rules Dec 03 11:19:43 but ClearCase is not exactly what we got there, there's a proprietary wrapper around it, so you can *somehow* cope with this naming Dec 03 11:20:44 oh well, git versions are worse Dec 03 11:29:07 Air Moving Device? Dec 03 11:29:19 aka fan? Dec 03 11:29:37 sounds much like IBM slang, I guess Dec 03 11:30:23 ah a nice new variation of one of my sayings just happened: digestion product encountered air moving device Dec 03 11:30:40 also possible s/product/result/ Dec 03 11:31:53 ... and eventually learned that it the failure was in the cooling system: an AMD is an "air movement device", IBM for "fan". ... Dec 03 11:32:29 hail google Dec 03 11:34:23 dm8tbr: result! DRAMD has potential, DPAMD not so much Dec 03 11:34:46 DRHAMD actually Dec 03 11:35:12 or DREAMD Dec 03 11:36:09 ~DREAMD is Digestion Result Encountered Air Moving Device Dec 03 11:36:10 DocScrutinizer: okay Dec 03 11:36:38 another meme created Dec 03 11:42:19 Doc: So, is it eating a fan, or being eaten by one? Dec 03 12:24:12 depends on your PoV, as it depends on luck whether or not I notice "Doc:" as an addr to me Dec 03 12:28:16 other ambiguous TLA (three letter abbreviations) you shouldn't use; che: cho: cor: jev: ... Dec 03 12:29:07 jon: Dec 03 12:29:53 lar: Dec 03 12:30:27 mas: Dec 03 12:31:30 I suggest you put your irc client's tab to purpose for nick completion Dec 03 12:32:14 "doc" instead of "doc:" might yield way better results Dec 03 14:07:04 Hi there ! Dec 03 14:08:27 Is there anyone here using Archlinux, Qt, and that developps for N900 ? The packages are quite not very explicit on what I should use/install to get a QtCreator up and running... Dec 03 14:16:07 Tofe, http://qt.nokia.com/downloads -> download the Qt SDK for your architecture, select custom install and place a checkmark to the Maemo toolchain Dec 03 14:41:49 Venemo: Does the Harmattan option in the SDK installer also include Freemantle, or is it useless for N900 development ? Dec 03 14:42:10 Tofe, Harmattan is not Fremantle Dec 03 14:42:48 Tofe, you will need the "Maemo toolchain" to develop for Fremantle. Of course if you run Harmattan on your N900, then the Harmattan toolchain is good too Dec 03 14:44:27 rumour has it harmattan toolchain messes up fremantle toolchan when installing them on same scratchbox Dec 03 14:44:49 see modest thumb issue of CSSU Dec 03 14:44:54 DocScrutinizer, maybe, but Tofe and I aren't talking about Scratchbox Dec 03 14:45:17 Venemo: Thanks ! I'll disable the Harmattan development for now, I didn't install (yet :) ) Meego CE on my N900 Dec 03 14:45:20 ok, never mind then Dec 03 14:45:51 Tofe, I don't think the Harmattan toolchain would be of any use on MeeGo CE Dec 03 14:46:35 Oh. But, I would have thought there was some kind of compatibility between the two of them Dec 03 14:46:36 HARM Ain't Real Meego Dec 03 14:46:58 Tofe, yes, they are (for the most part) even binary compatible Dec 03 14:47:44 But then, how would I develop with Qt for Meego CE, if I try in the future ? It's just not possible right now ? Dec 03 14:48:34 (I'll have to read some docs, at least :p ) Dec 03 14:52:26 Venemo: anyway make sure your whatever-SDK doesn't suddenly build fremantle binaries for thumb Dec 03 14:55:24 or hardfp Dec 03 14:55:26 :P Dec 03 14:56:13 that however usually doesn't matter, for programs that don't use any var real Dec 03 14:56:56 at least a lot of N900 cmdline progs run fine on HARM Dec 03 14:57:39 thumb however will explode into your face at arbitrary point in time Dec 03 15:01:33 yeah, hardfp only matters when your code uses functions from libs which use floats. Dec 03 15:38:03 seen mohammadag Dec 03 15:38:39 ~seen mohammadag Dec 03 15:38:46 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (4d 21h 16m 57s) #harmattan (4d 21h 16m 57s) #meego (4d 21h 16m 57s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 2d 22h 23m 43s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'. Dec 03 15:43:15 hello I have an incomplete install of CSSU as I was attempting to remove an application I was sure the name of. Is there someway to reinstall CSSU? Dec 03 15:43:32 s/was/&n't/ Dec 03 15:43:32 happymonkey meant: hello I have an incomplete install of CSSU as I &n't attempting to remove an application I was sure the name of. Is there someway to reinstall CSSU? Dec 03 15:43:49 owell almost clever Dec 03 15:44:13 not exactly a sed actualizer Dec 03 15:44:37 hello test Dec 03 15:44:46 heh Dec 03 15:45:01 s/$test$/\1\1 Dec 03 15:45:09 lol Dec 03 15:45:41 wouldn't mind a full sed -e implementation, that would be neat Dec 03 15:45:43 I guess there must be a metapackage for cssu, check what it depends on and if any of that is missing, or indeed, if that metapackage is missing Dec 03 15:45:49 your N900 is still working? Dec 03 15:45:59 both mine are Dec 03 15:46:19 ShadowJK <-- the resourceful one Dec 03 15:46:33 Got himself two, knowing there ain'tany coming! Dec 03 15:46:46 They're actually number 2 and 3, number 1 died Dec 03 15:47:18 ShadowJK: yes n900 is working, ah yes I see community-ssu-enabler Dec 03 15:47:20 * RST38h hopes his does not die for a while longer Dec 03 15:47:43 Yeah doesn't look like there's any sort of replacement device from any manufacturer coming for a loooooooooong time Dec 03 15:47:56 ShadowJK: handled Galaxy Note in a store a few days ago Dec 03 15:48:25 ShadowJK: Got the right screen, but absolutely no "special" factor. Felt pretty much like choosing a new fridge for the house. Dec 03 15:48:55 ShadowJK: In fact, other than size, the thing is no different from a dozen other Android devices on display =( Dec 03 15:48:58 RST38h: ya the price tag in America is rough ~$700 Dec 03 15:49:08 RST38h: the stylus Dec 03 15:49:17 RST38h: it's the right size for me Dec 03 15:49:24 happymonkey: it is RUR34000 here ($1114) Dec 03 15:49:41 Did not get a chance to use the stylus. Dec 03 15:50:08 But, again, did not feel like anything at all. Dec 03 15:50:12 RST38h: I've heard, because there is no physical store in America that actually sells it, that the stylus is great Dec 03 15:50:22 RST38h: Android is a big turn off Dec 03 15:50:33 Pretty much any Nokia phone, even low end Symbian ones, makes you feel *something* Dec 03 15:51:26 RST38h; yeah Note looked vaguely interestng to me too Dec 03 15:51:30 I can't say that anymore, Maemo was my only interest Dec 03 15:52:02 the Note is the only thing that partially interests me. It has the right size for handwritten notes Dec 03 15:52:16 and tools to allow that to happen Dec 03 15:52:21 Well, it does what it says - has got a huge screen Dec 03 15:52:25 RST38h; hah, handled a Nokia 700 the other day, it made me want to throw it against thew wall Dec 03 15:52:32 ShadowJK: See? :) Dec 03 15:52:52 nice hw, but so so messy os Dec 03 15:52:56 #1 problem with Android is that all the phones with hwkb are crap Dec 03 15:53:15 and impossible vkbd, took me 5 minutes to type in a url Dec 03 15:53:28 ShadowJK: bought C7 a few week ago (as a gift), felt ok Dec 03 15:53:41 I got used to a virtual keyboard from using the n800 Dec 03 15:53:52 shadowJK: the OS is not exact a masterpiece, but it beats any android phone hands down when you just need to make a call Dec 03 15:54:06 Yeah I'm good on N800 vkbd, and N900 vkbd is also usable Dec 03 15:54:39 N9/N950 have actually got very nice vkbds, way better than anything before them (Nokia or not) Dec 03 15:55:25 N900 actually has Phone in menu, didn't find it on 700 except as a widget on one of the desktops Dec 03 15:55:27 I was going to purchase the Note today but instead I'm going to play with my N900 and get a cat to combat the rats that have decided to frequent my apartment Dec 03 15:55:57 rat vs cat isn't guaranteed win for cat :-) Dec 03 15:55:58 Don't get a cat, just lay a whole pile of traps or baits Dec 03 15:56:10 ShadowJK: right softkey Dec 03 15:56:21 Cats cost lots of money to own Dec 03 15:56:24 jonwil: I can't do it, they're so cute Dec 03 15:56:26 food, vet bills etc Dec 03 15:56:35 jonwil: I need a partner in crime Dec 03 15:56:39 whats cute? The cat or the rats? Dec 03 15:56:49 jonwil: it will do for the time being, the rats Dec 03 15:57:02 jonwil: if I didn't have to worry about them spreading disease Dec 03 15:57:11 jonwil: like the bubonic plague and what not Dec 03 15:57:25 in any event off topic Dec 03 15:57:30 heh Dec 03 15:57:39 RST38h; it has no softkeys? Dec 03 15:58:02 oh the... oh, the phone keys.. duh Dec 03 15:59:00 yay CSSU is now installed again Dec 03 15:59:39 ShadowJK:C7 has got two virtual softkeys Dec 03 15:59:50 The right one is phone. Took me a while to figure either. Dec 03 16:00:38 jonwil: So, whaddyawannado? Hire someone to kill your cat because you are out of money and can'tbring yourself to do it? =) Dec 03 16:00:56 * RST38h conjured the appropriate episode of Black Books Dec 03 16:01:05 * jonwil doesnt have a cat Dec 03 16:01:11 I just know how expensive they are Dec 03 16:01:13 I'm going to have one soon Dec 03 16:01:43 I can't bring myself to kill the rats and they've made me realize I some companionship Dec 03 16:01:55 s/I/I could use/ Dec 03 16:01:57 happymonkey meant: I could use can't bring myself to kill the rats and they've made me realize I some companionship Dec 03 16:02:11 that's a terrible sed interpreter Dec 03 16:02:14 terrible Dec 03 16:02:52 happymonkey: why not befriend the rats? Dec 03 16:03:09 RST38h: I have I feed them little scraps of food Dec 03 16:03:16 but they're disease vectors Dec 03 16:03:51 and I'm just not down with getting some gnarly disease because I was too nice to them Dec 03 16:04:04 they appear to really like kiwis Dec 03 16:04:17 initially it was apple, I couldn't believe it Dec 03 16:04:40 but then I gave them half a kiwi and jeez, that was crazy watching them go at it Dec 03 16:05:24 half-domestic cats are free Dec 03 16:05:45 it will stay in my apartment, have regular checkups, shots etc. Dec 03 16:05:51 jonwil CBS worked well until i changed the theme.Anyways will test again. Dec 03 16:05:53 plus I want a "free" animal Dec 03 16:06:29 btw, if you introduce kitten to your ratfeeding habbit it might just befriend them Dec 03 16:06:38 lol Dec 03 16:06:45 happymonkey: you can have my free rats. Dec 03 16:06:46 truly Dec 03 16:06:48 * SpeedEvil sighs. Dec 03 16:07:02 happymonkey: I'll even pay you a fiver per rat to take it away. Dec 03 16:07:16 it's just the disease vector aspect that freaks me out Dec 03 16:07:47 city rats get exposed to all sorts of stuff that is totally out of my control, in any event off topic Dec 03 16:07:59 It's not off-topic. Dec 03 16:08:15 It's only off-topic of you're not making a device to electrocute rats. Dec 03 16:08:31 lol Dec 03 16:08:39 ucG, do you have logging enabled for my widget? Dec 03 16:08:52 yep.All the three Dec 03 16:09:12 ok, can you pastebin both logs> Dec 03 16:09:14 ? Dec 03 16:09:33 home/user/opername.log and home/user/cbsms.log Dec 03 16:09:49 oh.I am a noobest of the noobs man.By tomorrow i will try my level best. Dec 03 16:10:10 just grab the files from your phone Dec 03 16:10:12 SpeedEvil: using the Qt or Maemo SDK? Dec 03 16:10:17 ok Dec 03 16:10:17 happymonkey: either! Dec 03 16:10:28 and upload them somewhere Dec 03 16:10:31 or you can email them to me Dec 03 16:10:33 or something Dec 03 16:10:33 I have actually used my n900 to aid in catching rats. Dec 03 16:10:38 ok. Dec 03 16:10:41 whatever is easiest for you Dec 03 16:11:05 I will paste them in TMO Dec 03 16:11:06 A script to grab pics and move them over wifi. Dec 03 16:11:29 if you can get them for me, I can see if there is anything wrong with what my widget is doing... Dec 03 16:11:41 sure. Dec 03 16:12:06 SpeedEvil: if it wasn't for my benign nature I would be able to I'm sure use my n900 for a similar purpose as it is I'm a borderline ethical vegan Dec 03 16:13:20 who am I kidding I'm getting another animal to do my dirty work Dec 03 16:19:28 Yeppee, my QtCreator begins to work. I've got the QtSimulator working, now I'm installing madde. Dec 03 16:20:23 ucG, is what you posted the complete cbsms.log or what? Dec 03 16:20:40 jonwil i pasted it in TMO,since i dont know how to do it here.May be what i pasted there is what you nee IMHO Dec 03 16:20:46 yep Dec 03 16:20:54 complete. Dec 03 16:21:12 opened with Vi.copied. Dec 03 16:21:49 ok, the line network_reg_status clear cell name at the end says that something caused the network registration status of the phone to change. And no incoming cell broadcast has been sent by the tower since then., Dec 03 16:22:18 My plugin seems to be working as designed, its your operator (or the particulars of your exact location) that are causing the cell broadcasts to vanish Dec 03 16:22:31 ok Dec 03 16:22:57 I will reboot it again and report back. Dec 03 16:24:36 ok Dec 03 16:27:45 After reboot only operator name showed up.I unchecked all the three logs in the settings and checked back.Still not even operator name.I have full signal here. Dec 03 16:27:55 ok, wierd Dec 03 16:28:22 check all 3 options again Dec 03 16:28:25 and tell me what happens Dec 03 16:28:51 yeah already checked.No operator name at all Dec 03 16:29:05 after reinstalling CSSU succsessfully I'm still unable to load the Flashlight applet, error given "Unable to initialize flashlight. Camera in use by another application." I've read a few threads in TMorg but nothing other than just reflashing has lead to a recovery any suggestions to try before I do this? Dec 03 16:29:21 dmesg has no relevant info Dec 03 16:30:01 I will completely uninstall it will start from the scratch.But tomorrow.If you dont mind. Dec 03 16:30:54 ok Dec 03 16:31:10 TY for the widget bye. Dec 03 16:31:28 I dont see anything wrong with my plugin, I think most of the issues people are seeing are related to the workings, bugs and other things of code lower down Dec 03 16:32:50 time for breakfast e.g. pizza Dec 03 16:34:36 ah the camera doesn't work at all, hopefully that's not because of getting drunk and dropping the phone, I'll just assume I uninstalled something Dec 03 16:50:50 that funny backup application sometimes I think an rsync would be faster and more effective backup than the GUI Dec 03 16:58:25 happymonkey: for sure a backupmenu full tgz disk image was a better choice for a full backup, yes Dec 03 16:59:33 nevertheless I actually do a daily scheduled rsync of my / and /home partitions. see Dec 03 16:59:36 ~jrtools Dec 03 16:59:37 well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Dec 03 16:59:56 sounds good Dec 03 17:00:27 looks god Dec 03 17:00:30 good Dec 03 17:01:12 happymonkey: regarding yur flashlight issue - you used fcam and maybe another kernel prior to reflash? Dec 03 17:01:47 DocScrutinizer: yes, I install fcam-drivers fcam and a few other with, apt-get --reinstall install Dec 03 17:01:55 but maybe there's still more I can do Dec 03 17:02:12 IOW: installing any new kernel is known to cause issues with camera kernel drivers, which will cause symptoms like yours Dec 03 17:02:27 DocScrutinizer: I figured as much Dec 03 17:02:56 I just don't know how to debug/troubleshoot this issue Dec 03 17:03:21 general advice usually is to uninstall *all* camra and flashlight related stuff and reinstall it then Dec 03 17:03:31 makes sense Dec 03 17:03:44 I'll do this, my backup is almost complete Dec 03 17:04:00 first get backupmenu, it's AWESOME Dec 03 17:04:47 only thing you can't backup/restore with it (yet) is kernel Dec 03 17:05:19 very promising Dec 03 17:05:59 so prior to restoring a backup done on a system with ACMEkernel, you should make sure you installed ACMEkernel again Dec 03 17:06:14 right :) Dec 03 17:06:51 I get it but if it does work it does seem like a real time saver Dec 03 17:07:04 it is, go for it Dec 03 17:07:38 it's so basic a tool that you wonder how Nokia could dare to sell a device without it Dec 03 17:09:38 ooh I forgot you also can't backup / restore CAL with it (at least not easily), but probably you shouldn't bother if you don't know what's CAL Dec 03 17:09:59 nope no clue Dec 03 17:10:03 I probably should Dec 03 17:10:41 what's CAL? Dec 03 17:10:45 nah, CAL is /dev/mtd1 (iirc) - the config storage that has your device serial number and stuff Dec 03 17:11:00 you usually don't touch it Dec 03 17:11:17 DocScrutinizer: nice good to know about though Dec 03 17:11:51 yeah, but take care. Messing with CAL can brick your device for good Dec 03 17:12:42 jeez sounds like some delicate stuff, just something new to learn about :) Dec 03 17:13:38 you can flash a new kernel, even coldflash a new bootloader. You can't restore CAL though, as you won't get the data in there from anywhere Dec 03 17:14:48 DocScrutinizer: it's not a physical partition right? Dec 03 17:15:04 nope, just a logical partition on NAND Dec 03 17:15:50 cat /proc/mtd Dec 03 17:16:08 ah Dec 03 17:17:35 DocScrutinizer: so I'm going to sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l '*cam*' | grep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}'), unless I'm missing something Dec 03 17:18:19 also "What is CAL?" -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Dec 03 17:19:18 happymonkey: I dunno for sure, see powerkernel FAQ "why my camera stopped to work after installing powerkernel" Dec 03 17:22:06 just tested that happymonkey. u will also be removing camel-as-provider-0, camelisync Dec 03 17:22:59 ya I know it needs a few qualifiers Dec 03 17:24:04 dpkg -l '*cam*' | grep '^ii' | awk '!/camel/ {print $2}' ;p Dec 03 17:24:26 Sicelo: ty Dec 03 17:24:43 whew, if i could do that. nice happymonkey. i got lots to learn Dec 03 17:24:54 don't we all :) Dec 03 17:25:10 ;) Dec 03 17:25:30 or put it all in an awk expression: dpkg -l '*cam*' | awk '/ii/ && !/camel/ {print $2}' Dec 03 17:25:46 more greek to me, lol Dec 03 17:25:59 lol Dec 03 17:28:06 ok time to use it Dec 03 17:30:00 thank goodness there doesn't appear to be any dependencies on these files other than themselves so nothing else is being removed Dec 03 17:31:00 taking it down for a reboot Dec 03 17:34:20 nice got the continual reboot, it must have taken something, I suppose this might be it: mp-fremantle-community-pr Dec 03 17:34:39 owell reflashing isn't too bad but why must I do this Dec 03 17:40:54 wow, mad-admin is really not very verbose... Dec 03 17:41:17 "QEMU startup failed". Yes. Very useful :) Dec 03 17:42:00 wil I need to create a chroot to use the 32bit flasher on a 64bit OS? Dec 03 17:42:26 happymonkey: if your OS is 64-bit-only Dec 03 17:42:36 happymonkey: many "64-bit OS" are really hybrid 32/64-bit, which can run both Dec 03 17:43:22 luke-jr: I'm using Arch 64bit I'll try it Dec 03 17:43:32 DocScrutinizer: talking about cal, there are two CALs Dec 03 17:44:25 DocScrutinizer: one is in rapuyama, and only code to access it is in nolo, and there is cal with other stuff Dec 03 17:44:53 DocScrutinizer: that other cal is probably same ( - different mac addresses ) on all N900's Dec 03 17:45:54 less -f /dev/mtd1ro shows a lot of rather specific stuff though Dec 03 17:46:21 initial kbd layout, wlan policy, etc Dec 03 17:47:20 it's same on other N900's Dec 03 17:47:51 and iirc, it will use "default" wlan policy if there is nothing in cal ( i'm not sure what "default" is ) Dec 03 17:48:16 i mean, it's "same" as in it's country/continent specific Dec 03 17:50:02 only thing in that cal that is unique on each device are mac addresses for wlan Dec 03 17:50:09 and hmm Dec 03 17:50:12 let me check what else Dec 03 17:50:48 bt-mac Dec 03 17:51:00 hw rev Dec 03 17:52:18 hw rev is recoverable Dec 03 17:52:32 bt-mac not so much but it can be set to whatever you want Dec 03 17:52:49 aaah, IMEI Dec 03 17:53:09 recoverable Dec 03 17:53:14 sure Dec 03 17:53:17 and i have no idea what is it used for Dec 03 17:53:25 because imei is coming from rapuyama cal Dec 03 17:53:42 besides, can you just download http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/calvaria Dec 03 17:53:46 I'm not saying the abstract data isn't recoverable, bit you won't find an image to "flash" anywhere Dec 03 17:54:20 but* Dec 03 17:54:24 and that will dump all data in cal Dec 03 17:54:45 and talking about hw revision, i don't think that's used anywhere as well Dec 03 17:54:48 (uless *somebody* simply uploads his CAL dump somewhere ;-D ) Dec 03 17:55:24 indeed hw rev seems rather arbitrary and useless Dec 03 17:55:26 need to get a 32bit chroot, well this is certainly an interesting diversion to get my N900 working again Dec 03 17:55:59 got it ! mwahahaa Dec 03 17:56:09 libjpeg6 was missing... Dec 03 17:56:28 I guess they only made flasher-3.0 as amd64? Dec 03 17:57:48 there's a 64bit deb, lol, I should just unpack it Dec 03 17:57:56 didn't see it until it was too late Dec 03 17:58:40 ah that's 3.12.1 Dec 03 17:58:43 never mind Dec 03 17:59:26 4[12:50:05] besides, can you just download http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/calvaria <-- 404 Dec 03 17:59:46 chroot install is ~20 minutes at most and I can most likely use it in the future so no biggy Dec 03 17:59:52 happymonkey: I have a 64-bit flasher, but cannot legally share :? Dec 03 18:01:00 luke-jr: thanks for that? jk :) Dec 03 18:01:12 happymonkey: more to blame Nokia for :p Dec 03 18:01:38 luke-jr: doesn't really change much I already blame them for too much, like a drop in a bucket Dec 03 18:01:44 lol Dec 03 18:01:50 :D Dec 03 18:02:45 luke-jr: \o/ Dec 03 18:05:20 jacekowski: just in case you might need it (or anybody else) :-D -> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dd_if=mtd1ro.bin Dec 03 18:09:36 jacekowski: I never dared to do a mtd_debug erase /dev/mtd1 0 0x6000 && mtd_debug write /dev/mtd1 0 0x6000 myCALbackup.bin Dec 03 18:09:50 hello Dec 03 18:10:24 my n900 died for the second time. it wont boot properly. what can I do to unbrick it? Dec 03 18:10:53 find out why it doesn't boot, fix it Dec 03 18:10:58 start with offering a verbose error description Dec 03 18:11:01 cool Dec 03 18:11:13 honestly what kind of answer do you expact on that question? Dec 03 18:11:23 DocScrutinizer: reflash! Dec 03 18:11:23 i wasnt finished typing :) Dec 03 18:11:30 hehe Dec 03 18:12:18 aanyway. so. the "nokia" screen shows up on power on. then it powers off. thats it. Dec 03 18:12:20 where does it stop working? nokia-logo -> dots -> pin -> hands -> dots? Dec 03 18:12:28 ok Dec 03 18:12:29 no dots. Dec 03 18:12:36 oooh, so you deleted any proper hints on how we can help you, for writing "cool" ? Dec 03 18:12:39 charging problem Dec 03 18:12:41 only nokia logo. Dec 03 18:12:51 I'd guess Dec 03 18:13:00 what does it do off on a wallcharger? Dec 03 18:13:01 jave: reflash Dec 03 18:13:07 you messed up your kernel Dec 03 18:13:29 DocScrutinizer: okay. how do I do that? and I didnt do anything with the kernel Dec 03 18:13:32 would be the next question... any messing with multiboot uboot kernels Dec 03 18:13:44 no nothing. Dec 03 18:13:59 jave: you didn't install powerkernel, or nitdroid&multiboot? Dec 03 18:14:02 no Dec 03 18:14:09 or maemohotspot? Dec 03 18:14:15 no Dec 03 18:14:27 hmm, maybe your battery is the culprit Dec 03 18:14:32 what does it do on a wallcharger? Dec 03 18:14:32 new battery Dec 03 18:14:45 yeah, listen to chem|st Dec 03 18:14:49 same thing on wallcharger. Dec 03 18:15:33 what does it do when you hold "u" key while plugging in USB of wallcharger to powered-down device? Dec 03 18:15:48 hmm. let me check Dec 03 18:16:41 you need to make sure your battery is not dead, with another device or charging it with another device or get a new battery (they come precharged) Dec 03 18:17:04 to flash, yes Dec 03 18:17:14 did the device dry dead on battery and this is the first attempt to start it again Dec 03 18:17:16 we're about to check that, chem|st Dec 03 18:17:29 DocScrutinizer: yeah I am reading you ;) Dec 03 18:17:39 NOLO won't enter flash mode when bat low Dec 03 18:17:56 just dropping all thoughts and questions Dec 03 18:18:08 odds are his bat already is low by now, no matter why Dec 03 18:18:22 NOLO won't enter charge mode if the batt is below emergency state Dec 03 18:18:38 speaking literally Dec 03 18:18:45 external charger to the rescue, I'm so greatful for having one Dec 03 18:19:02 happymonkey: +1 Dec 03 18:19:11 NOLO won't even start below hw-threshold for booting Dec 03 18:19:46 which means emergency charging will kick in Dec 03 18:20:21 happymonkey: what was the result of holding "u"? Dec 03 18:21:01 the battery is dead now. Dec 03 18:21:08