**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 04 02:59:58 2011 Dec 04 03:00:13 ShadowJK: WUT? google rejects N900? Dec 04 03:00:22 WTF?! Dec 04 03:00:23 well,, on second try it did work Dec 04 03:00:48 DocScrutinizer, dunno i just vaguely remember people switching back to supl.nokia because google didnt work anymore Dec 04 03:01:02 and now I'm getting data Dec 04 03:01:09 I don't like the idea of using google though Dec 04 03:01:20 hmm, I guess google just occasionally got load issues Dec 04 03:01:24 does anyone know what data I'm sending to google? Dec 04 03:01:44 basically your location Dec 04 03:02:11 :/ I think I'd perfer a broken connection to nokia Dec 04 03:02:24 plus maybe info about your device, your visible neighbour WLANs and your GSM carrier Dec 04 03:02:56 and the latest sites you visited? ;) Dec 04 03:04:56 no way Dec 04 03:05:21 DocScrutinizer: as a matter of curiosity - can their system see where a sim card is if it is connected on roaming services from another continent? Dec 04 03:05:45 * DocScrutinizer waits for >>Dear Nokia customer, this week it's been our supl servers that got rooted. But we promise there's been no *sensitive* data on them<< Dec 04 03:06:49 err, though I'm not exactly sure about your question, the answer is probably "No" Dec 04 03:06:55 I think it would take a network sniff to figure it out, I would hope that it would send something like a set of tower id's and be returned a set of gps coordinates which the phone then uses to triangulate it's position Dec 04 03:07:30 not exactly Dec 04 03:08:22 you can always dump packets when data is being sent to and from the supl server and device Dec 04 03:08:48 supl is a) well defined, and b) probably not sending back cords of cell towers, rather it sends back the estimated coords of *you* plus the related almanach and ephemeris data Dec 04 03:09:17 [21:50:53] But, operators are known to block supl servers, nokia's supl servers are known to break, and google's supl server allegedly now rejects n900 <-- it does? :/ Dec 04 03:09:22 i just found an interessting project if you want to investigate that thing a little bit more: http://www.tajuma.com/supl/index.html Dec 04 03:09:22 and c) as psycho_oreos says it only needs tcpdump to be sure Dec 04 03:09:45 where do these SUPL servers get their data? Dec 04 03:09:47 can I run my own? Dec 04 03:10:00 sure Dec 04 03:10:56 or would I need another GPS to download the data for it? Dec 04 03:11:44 depends, there are internet borne services for supl data ;-D Dec 04 03:12:41 here is some data on it, looks like there are 2 different protocols on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS Dec 04 03:13:33 and I guess even the NOAA or whatever the ETLA for that organization running american GPS will probably also provide some way to get alm and ephem Dec 04 03:14:13 ooh you want some link? good link? Dec 04 03:14:45 here you are: http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html Dec 04 03:15:01 That is not a GPS in a box. Dec 04 03:15:06 a server you can run Dec 04 03:15:13 I think this is the meat of it: http://www.openmobilealliance.org%2Ftechnical%2Frelease_program%2Fsupl_v2_0.aspx Dec 04 03:17:05 * luke-jr wonders what newbie007 did to make that URI somehow "improperly formatted" O.o Dec 04 03:17:50 anyway the last really god data doesn't come via sat, you need real receivers to calculate atmospheric correction factors based on skew between two RF bands sent Dec 04 03:19:16 there is a pdf on that site that has the structs it seems to can specifiy the number of satelites you want, accuracy level - looks complicated Dec 04 03:20:06 luke-jrthe first / being escaped probably trips warning flags, as that's a common malware idea Dec 04 03:20:38 thanks for the help everyone! Dec 04 03:20:46 yw Dec 04 03:22:41 SpeedEvil: tbh I still don't get it - on GTA02 I used to adjust my HW-clock time by cranking up GPS, after swapping battery Dec 04 03:23:07 never took longer than 60s, even when time been extremely off (like 1970) Dec 04 03:23:17 indeed Dec 04 03:23:25 It shouldn't do this, if cold-started. Dec 04 03:23:38 Only if it's trying to warm-start, and doing it WRONG Dec 04 03:23:47 yep Dec 04 03:23:57 For example, using the ephemerides or almanac data for a time-period before they are valid. Dec 04 03:24:11 it *thinks* it got time while it doesn't - disabling AGPS might actually help Dec 04 03:25:44 so maybe time off by an hour is worse than time ff by years? Dec 04 03:27:27 after all time off by years *should* invalidate both stored alm/eph as well as supl requests which btw should also return proper time for your TZ Dec 04 03:28:42 seems somebody at Nokia didn't really get the catch of (A)GPS Dec 04 03:29:49 and since quite some time Dec 04 03:54:47 * luke-jr wonders why ntpd refuses to fix the clock when it's totally out of wack Dec 04 03:59:20 It did eventually for me Dec 04 03:59:26 it took a little bit though Dec 04 03:59:46 on debian I had to set the clock myself, because ntpd couldn't set it anymore Dec 04 04:00:00 syslog was full of time adjust difference is too big crap Dec 04 04:00:19 luke-jr: because it refuses to do so, unles you give option -foo Dec 04 04:00:41 DocScrutinizer: I couldn't find this documented. Any details? Dec 04 04:00:46 I.E. it's a feature, not a bug Dec 04 04:00:58 RTFManpage Dec 04 04:01:02 I did. Dec 04 04:01:06 o.O Dec 04 04:02:03 looking again, I see it Dec 04 04:02:19 maybe I was looking on another system with older ntpd :/ Dec 04 04:02:41 * luke-jr ponders the best way to get at his N810 Dec 04 04:02:45 >>... or for some reason its time is more than 1000s from the server time, ntpd assumes something must be terribly wrong and the only reliable action is for the operator to intervene and set the clock by hand. This causes ntpd to exit...<< Dec 04 04:05:15 Odd Dec 04 04:05:20 I seemed to recall it working Dec 04 04:05:25 Maybe I did set the clock Dec 04 04:07:54 --panicgate :P Dec 04 04:13:07 * luke-jr downloads his last 2 months of kismet logs while he's in there Dec 04 04:15:14 yay, ok, so here's the other half, for your convenience: >> The -g option overrides this check and the clock will be set to the server time regardless of the chip time. However, and to protect against broken hardware, such as when the CMOS battery fails or the clock counter becomes defective, once the clock has been set, an error greater than 1000s will cause ntpd to exit anyway. Dec 04 04:18:00 ntpd -qg&&hwclock --systohc; in ifup should usually do Dec 04 04:22:49 DocScrutinizer: my N810 has no network. Dec 04 04:23:00 I configured ntpd to get the time from gpsd :p Dec 04 04:23:21 anyhow, -g is just the short form of the --panicgate I mentioned Dec 04 04:25:35 >>> Emerging (58 of 73) kde-base/kdnssd-4.6.5 Dec 04 04:29:58 hmm Dec 04 04:30:07 it looks like maybe I *didn't* destroy my N810's battery after all? Dec 04 04:30:21 :) Dec 04 04:30:22 I left it running Maemo4 out in the car, and it hasn't shutdown yet… Dec 04 04:30:28 so BME hates Gentoo? :/ Dec 04 04:30:46 any way to check BME's battery status from Maemo4 CLI? Dec 04 04:38:44 luke-jr: wait... you say you're using GPS on a N810 without internet connectivity and thus without AGPS, to set your systime which is off more than 1000s? Dec 04 04:39:01 DocScrutinizer: yes, why? Dec 04 04:39:23 I think I never got a fix or just time from GPS on N810, without working AGPS Dec 04 04:39:50 even with AGPS it often seemed more broken than working Dec 04 04:40:05 yeah, I think it needs a fix to give me the time. :/ Dec 04 04:40:14 and it takes 5-10 mins at least to get the fix Dec 04 04:40:22 and it needs time to get a fix :-P Dec 04 04:40:27 no, it doesn't… Dec 04 04:40:34 aah, ok, that might work, yeah Dec 04 04:41:08 I have it plugged into my car, and it just runs kismet in the background by default Dec 04 04:41:11 10 minutes, plain sky view, not moving device... Dec 04 04:41:22 (which is why I need to sit down in the car, and turn it off to access over SSH) Dec 04 04:41:28 no, it's moving :P Dec 04 04:41:42 moving always helped me get a fix faster actually Dec 04 05:45:17 hmm Dec 04 05:45:29 i didn't think about that, fail :( Dec 04 05:46:00 i was gonna try to use the n900 as a reference clock after i buy a real wifi adapter Dec 04 05:46:08 but it probably won't get a fix inside Dec 04 05:46:22 >_< Dec 04 05:46:30 dangergrrl: depends on the building, actually Dec 04 05:46:36 my last house, I always got a fix Dec 04 05:46:54 oh, maybe it will work then Dec 04 05:47:25 i suppose *any* usb wifi adapter will be higher power than n900? Dec 04 05:48:04 not really Dec 04 05:48:32 you have specialised ones such as alfa whom makes high powered USB wifi adapter Dec 04 05:48:34 was looking at some that claim 2000mw with 9dbi antennas Dec 04 05:48:34 i get about 50% packet loss most of the time using the n900 as a usb<->wifi router Dec 04 05:48:35 not really? Dec 04 05:48:46 that was an alfa Dec 04 05:49:38 AWUS036NHR Dec 04 05:49:48 remember that N900 goes up to 100mW, which is at least the equivalent of a PCI/PCIe based wireless card. iinm USB wireless dongles goes up to 30mW (and generally el-cheapo ones) Dec 04 05:50:13 but i have never noticed me being able to get wifi on the n900 when someone next to me with a laptop could not Dec 04 05:50:32 usually if i have nets and they don't, i have gsm Dec 04 05:51:11 well their laptop may have issues Dec 04 05:52:18 the alfa AWUS036NHR is like $43 from amazon but it claims 2000mw Dec 04 05:52:51 most of the time i am getting about 50% packet loss on the n900 Dec 04 05:54:28 packet loss could be caused by various factors Dec 04 05:55:25 plus.. the N900's antenna is similar to that found in laptops.. i.e. directional. Most USB wireless dongles with detachable antenna are usually omnidirectional and so therefore may have better coverage if the AP is actually nearby Dec 04 05:59:48 it is directional? Dec 04 06:00:01 does google know which way it points? :) Dec 04 06:00:10 is what directional? Dec 04 06:00:17 the n900 wifi antenna Dec 04 06:00:29 google doesn't care which way the device is pointing Dec 04 06:00:42 no, but it might have a picture Dec 04 06:00:47 have a look at the schematics and study wireless Dec 04 06:00:48 so i know what way to point it Dec 04 06:03:05 if you want google to care so much about you, you should have gotten an android device.. heck leave the stock ROM on it and enjoy carrierIQ Dec 04 06:05:24 DocScrutinizer: Droid or DejaVu fonts works okay even with arabic or japanese fonts Dec 04 06:05:30 hi! Dec 04 06:13:32 \i don't care what google thinks of me as long as it finds me a picture or diagram so i can figure which direction to point towards the WAP Dec 04 06:17:00 what O_o Dec 04 06:35:09 if it is directional, the users guide nor the service/disassembly manual really help, it's above the camera but ... Dec 04 06:35:17 i have it where i don't really need to see the screen i can just turn it different directions and count packet loss... Dec 04 07:01:02 no it actually does help to know where the antenna is and probably even the test points Dec 04 07:20:44 ~seen mohammadag Dec 04 07:20:46 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (5d 12h 58m 52s) #harmattan (5d 12h 58m 52s) #meego (5d 12h 58m 52s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 3d 14h 5m 38s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'. Dec 04 09:48:43 massoud: I have touched the oauth code in Khweeteur, however, I think it is just using the standard python oauth2 modules. Dec 04 09:49:11 massoud: I'd suggest looking at what it is doing. If you can figure it out, that would be great. Dec 04 09:50:03 massoud: BTW, if you mean you can't get the internal browser window to submit, you just need to click on the submit button a few times and it will eventually work. Dec 04 09:50:25 massoud: It's a bit annoying, but I've noticed that other programs have the same problem. Dec 04 10:05:25 merlin_1991, jonwil: You can get cell tower information by listening for the com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.cell_info_change signal on the system bus. Dec 04 10:05:41 I know exactly that Dec 04 10:06:02 I know all about com.nokia.phone.net Dec 04 10:06:12 merlin_1991, jonwil: The default n900 doesn't enable getting neighbor cells, however, there is n900 code in ofono for getting cell ids. Dec 04 10:06:20 +neighbor Dec 04 10:06:43 ok Dec 04 10:09:02 merlin_1991, jonwil: Unfortunately, the ofono code is rather difficult to follow due to the use of continuations (and C's lack of elegant support for them) and the Linux phonet API lacks documentation. Dec 04 10:10:35 If someone can find which cellmo calls its making, that could allow you to figure out how it works Dec 04 10:11:12 merlin_1991, jonwil: Here is the relevant patch: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.ofono/9238 Dec 04 10:11:33 (the one that adds support ofr cell neighbors to ofono's isimodem driver) Dec 04 10:20:59 I have no idea how to do anything with that on the N900 Dec 04 10:23:57 aha, I said "ok, it appears that the N900 does not have the right PN_NETWORK resource version to support NET_NEIGHBOUR_CELLS" in the past Dec 04 10:24:35 The patch may be for other isi/phonet modems e.g. n9[50] Dec 04 10:25:02 all I know is that I said that the N900 doesn't support it Dec 04 10:25:07 and I wouldn't have said it without a reason Dec 04 10:30:23 Hello. Dec 04 10:37:47 Does anyone know if N900 calender entries are converted to utc when you enter them, or if they're stored in localtime? Dec 04 10:46:15 I'd appreciate it if people could check my packages so they can enter testing Dec 04 10:46:22 grrr. modest not showing folders Dec 04 10:46:26 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/murmeltier/0.4~20111203 Dec 04 10:46:46 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~20111203 Dec 04 10:46:56 ^ jonwil Dec 04 10:46:58 thanks. Dec 04 10:49:52 oh, something has subscfribed to one folder so now modest doesn't show the other folders Dec 04 11:15:19 ShadowJK: Test the calendar yourself. Create an entry set to alert you very soon. Then, change your timezone, but reset the time back to your current time, and see if the calendar still alerts you. If it does, then it stores them in localtime. If it does not alert you, then it stores times in UTC. Dec 04 11:16:06 * ShadowJK thinks Dec 04 11:16:20 Actually, be sure to set the time back first, then set the timezone forward Dec 04 11:16:27 "reset time back to current time", you mean set incorrect time? Dec 04 11:16:46 incorrect for the new timezone, but correct for your current time Dec 04 11:17:44 it's not correct if I set clock to 1313UTC when the time is 1313 EET? :/ Dec 04 11:18:11 It doesn't really have to be correct time, so long as the timezone has changed, and the actual time has also changed. Dec 04 11:18:59 The reason I asked is because I was entering travel plans into calendar, and will be going from EST to CET and back Dec 04 11:19:10 For example, suppose the time is 0800 CST. Set the time to 0700 CST. Then, change the timezone to EST. Dec 04 11:19:27 The time will then read 0800, but it will be in a different timezone. Dec 04 11:20:13 This test should tell you. Dec 04 11:20:30 * ShadowJK thinks Dec 04 11:21:06 I assume you (or the phone) will be changing the phones timezone when you travel. Just simulate the event. Dec 04 11:21:35 ...as described above. Dec 04 11:21:42 :) Dec 04 11:22:53 Let me know the results. Dec 04 11:25:43 ok, changed from gmt+2 to gmt+1. Time is now 12:21. I'll set calendar event for 13.25, switch back to gmt+2. If event is stored as gmt, I'll get alarm in an hour. If not, alarm in a few minutes? Dec 04 11:26:47 ping X-Fade Dec 04 11:26:55 Heh, the event jumped to 14:25 in calendar Dec 04 11:26:57 excellent Dec 04 11:28:06 ~seen X-Fade Dec 04 11:28:07 x-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 20h 48m 1s) #harmattan (4d 20h 48m 1s) #meego (4d 20h 48m 1s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 1d 20h 25m 16s, last said: 'Some backup/restore iteration, I guess.'. Dec 04 11:28:48 ShadowJK: So the calendar stores times in UTC and is timezone aware. Great. Dec 04 11:29:03 it's not tz aware i think Dec 04 11:29:27 I'd suspect it stores as unix time ;p Dec 04 11:30:30 You changed the timezone, and the times of the entries changed as well. Dec 04 11:30:58 That means the times were stored independent of the timezone. Dec 04 11:31:08 yes Dec 04 11:31:23 It's harder to do it other way around I think Dec 04 11:31:45 But I was afraid some "designer" would've mandated it Dec 04 11:32:11 That is the ideal behavior, as the absolute time of the entry never changes, but I see how it makes it harder to plan. Dec 04 11:32:54 Are we on the same page? Dec 04 11:33:26 eh not harder, just I want to know which behaviour it has Dec 04 11:34:40 I wish I could get these wifi drivers working in Ubuntu, so I could be building packages. Dec 04 11:35:52 (not that I need the internet to build packages, but going without it is unthinkable) Dec 04 11:36:28 ndiswrapper is supposed to work with WUSB11v4, but wlan0 never appears in ifconfig. Dec 04 13:06:23 I notice gps doesn't work properly after install some apps, I can't know which app can make it be non-functional Dec 04 13:09:03 network-assisted, or on its own? Dec 04 13:09:30 for network assisted, better use supl.google.com in place of supl.nokia.com Dec 04 13:11:19 Sicelo: without network assisted Dec 04 13:12:21 gps is always try to search gps all the time without success Dec 04 13:14:19 btw, having a working sim card in device, even if u don't have assisted gps, will reduce time till fix Dec 04 13:17:11 yes, sim card is in device Dec 04 13:29:44 Sicelo: why is that? Dec 04 13:36:02 ~rrlp Dec 04 13:36:03 it has been said that rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Dec 04 13:36:09 pabs3: ^^ Dec 04 14:17:35 hm, is there a reason why that wouldn't work without a sim? Dec 04 14:23:03 i dunno. but, without sim, isn't gsm radio switched off? Dec 04 14:33:39 Sicelo: shouldn't be, it's still needed for emergency calls Dec 04 15:05:02 hi all Dec 04 15:06:34 is there an application for maemo like location2sms for meego? i can not find nothing (for maemo) to send my current position throught sms Dec 04 15:07:06 so you found something? ;) Dec 04 15:07:36 aholler_: yes but my n900 has maemo not meego :) Dec 04 15:08:41 i have also tried to install deb package in maemo but it doesn't work Dec 04 15:16:40 sanova: there is iirc some software which sends your location via sms Dec 04 15:16:56 i'll try to search it Dec 04 15:49:08 luke-jr: other than with SIM, on 911 cals the mobile equipment doesn't sign in to the carrier network Dec 04 15:49:33 SIMfree 911 calls are a tad different Dec 04 15:50:37 the whole GSM stack works in a special mode for SIMfree Dec 04 15:51:11 also some networks stopped accepting those Dec 04 15:52:10 even on BTS there are happening amazing things for SIMfree: the BTS allocates a whole channel with all its (8, 16?) timeslots exclusively to to the 911 call, possibly hard disconnecting other calls to do so Dec 04 15:53:33 they probably have to do this due to TA and general timing pace for timeslots not being established when mobile equipment not booked in to the BTS Dec 04 16:19:50 mikki-kun: thanks Dec 04 16:24:09 sanova: there seems to be panicbutton which sends your coords via sms to a certain person at the press of a button and then there might be smscon for that as well :) Dec 04 16:24:16 sorry, was a tad distracted ;) Dec 04 16:26:30 anyone with Easy Debian? how do i use the blue keys, eg, numbers? Dec 04 16:29:20 smscon does many other things.. i prefere something simplier. iirc is not in the repository. i'm looking for panicbutton Dec 04 16:43:10 i checked easy debain wiki, and searched tmo, but seems that's mostly about F1-F12 on pc keyboard, and using special keymaps. all i need is to be able to use the basic blue characters Dec 04 16:43:51 s/debain/debian/ Dec 04 16:46:25 Since there really seems to be no way to get a N950, is there a way to add a keyboard to the N9? Dec 04 16:46:40 Something which can be connected, I mean? Dec 04 16:47:41 If there is a keyboard, which can be physically attached, the N9 would be quite equivalent to the N950, wouldn't it? Dec 04 16:48:41 Freak5: you can get a bluetooth kbd working Dec 04 16:49:03 Freak5: usb-hid would be harder as it would require custom cabling and a custom kernel Dec 04 16:49:45 Yeah, that seams to be the only way, but is there a better way than duct tape to attach it? Dec 04 16:51:14 I am not sure but I am thinking about a custum kernel sooner or later, but for the kbd bluetooth would probably be best due to space reasons Dec 04 16:53:55 get a su-8w or somesuch, has a stand for the device Dec 04 17:47:06 panicbutton semms to be great, but i'm not able to add a contact or digit the extent phone number. Which concats it uses? Dec 04 18:00:32 dm8tbr: I'm pretty sure it's illegal to refuse a 911 call Dec 04 18:04:39 hmmh Dec 04 18:04:49 is there something wrong in n900 Dec 04 18:04:59 ...n900's "type" command? Dec 04 18:05:17 $ type foo.txt Dec 04 18:05:28 foo.txt: Not found Dec 04 18:05:31 it's called cat in *nix Dec 04 18:05:42 same for every file Dec 04 18:06:04 even if I try "type *" it just lists all the files in the folder, saying "not found" Dec 04 18:06:20 ShadowJK: no it's not, if you're trying to find out file type :) Dec 04 18:06:32 * DocScrutinizer MEEOW Dec 04 18:07:04 have you tried $ file foo.txt Dec 04 18:07:54 Jartza: there is no standard *nix command 'type' Dec 04 18:08:04 ahhh... sorry, yes... messed that up :D Dec 04 18:08:06 type seems to be busybox, it's probably not compiled with it, or supposed to do something else Dec 04 18:08:19 actually Dec 04 18:08:26 'type' is a command, but not what you describe Dec 04 18:08:28 how on earth I thought "file" was "type" is unknown to me :D Dec 04 18:08:43 'type ' tells you what the command would do Dec 04 18:08:49 type tells about type of a function/alias Dec 04 18:08:54 $ type ls Dec 04 18:08:55 ls is aliased to `ls --color=auto' Dec 04 18:09:10 although there is no "file" in maemo, it seems Dec 04 18:09:28 it doesn't "type" (aka print) anything Dec 04 18:09:52 yes, I just somehow got those 2 mixed up. Dec 04 18:09:55 Jartza: there's maybe no file cmd in messybox Dec 04 18:10:02 seems so. Dec 04 18:10:48 IroN900:~# apt-cache policy file Dec 04 18:10:49 file: Dec 04 18:10:51 Installed: 4.12-1osso Dec 04 18:11:51 yeah, I'm just installing it Dec 04 18:18:01 luke-jr: actually that was govt regulation in at least one country IIRC Dec 04 18:28:58 dm8tbr: ? Dec 04 18:29:19 the dropped SIMless support? Dec 04 18:30:38 *nod* Dec 04 18:39:09 official german govt document http://www.bundesrat.de/cln_090/SharedDocs/Drucksachen/2008/0901-1000/967-08,templateId%3Draw,property%3DpublicationFile.pdf/967-08.pdf Dec 04 18:46:20 xkb, why the dickens does this not work? Dec 04 18:46:41 key { [ BackSpace, Escape, Backspace, F12 ] }; Dec 04 18:46:42 Backspace works Dec 04 18:46:51 Escape works (shift+BS) Dec 04 18:47:08 F12 works (blue+shift) Dec 04 18:47:18 2nd BS does not! Dec 04 18:47:31 it should be blue+BS Dec 04 18:48:54 however other sy,bols work. Dec 04 18:49:04 So if I make it: Dec 04 18:49:14 key { [ BackSpace, Escape, Escape, F12 ] }; Dec 04 18:49:19 it all works. Dec 04 18:49:28 blue+shift==escape Dec 04 18:49:46 so WTF does BS not work with blue????? Dec 04 18:53:20 lol wot Dec 04 18:53:26 it is BackSpace Dec 04 18:53:53 BackSpace!= Backspace|backspace Dec 04 18:53:58 FU XKB Dec 04 19:00:07 dm8tbr: I search for something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?s=b0b4d8ac3f6a6d0326e5bbba1262f05a&attachmentid=21242&stc=1&d=1310046248 Dec 04 19:00:14 But the other keyboard is cool, too. Dec 04 19:00:34 I haven't thought about the big solution, but it might be nice for bigger breaks. Dec 04 19:06:59 ping DocScrutinizer Dec 04 19:15:11 Pali: pong Dec 04 19:15:26 or a minute Dec 04 19:15:46 DocScrutinizer, I updated my work on bq2415x driver, see http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x/ Dec 04 19:16:11 ok, as soon as I find some spare time Dec 04 19:16:24 but it is still not complete Dec 04 19:18:48 code is devided into 2 two parts: bq2415x.ko (only export regulator, led, ioctl, sysfs interface + symbols) and bq2415x_charger.ko (power supply interface, where should be all other like auto watchdog, charging...) Dec 04 19:28:47 ping X-Fade Dec 04 19:32:08 ~seen X-Fade Dec 04 19:33:59 infobot is offline... Dec 04 19:35:29 ping lxp1 Dec 04 19:36:26 Pali: yo Dec 04 19:36:37 vi__: hi Dec 04 19:37:18 I am thoroughly enjoying the fruits of your work WRT kernel power. Cheers. Dec 04 19:55:21 Pali: I have to admit I got no clue about regulator, led, ioctl Dec 04 19:56:53 led is exported EN_STAT register Dec 04 19:57:22 in regulators will be exported voltage registers Dec 04 19:58:05 ooh, so I'm not an expert for this kinda stuff, completely different to what I thought it should look like Dec 04 19:58:18 and ioctl - driver export miscdevice /dev/bq2415x for raw register access via special ioctl (this is copied from bq27x00 and maybe I will remove it) Dec 04 19:59:47 regulator interface is in Documentation/power/regulator/regulator.txt Dec 04 20:00:08 I think this using this interface is better then clasis sysfs Dec 04 20:05:54 my idea is to have mfd (or regulator) driver - which only cover register access to exported functions (or some standard linux interfaces) and driver which will use this functions/interface Dec 04 20:19:38 go ahead, but why you're asking me about it? Dec 04 20:21:03 I have no clue about this stuff, and was rather puzzled when looking into the sources, to a degree where I thought "duh, what's that? better print it and read it while dinner" Dec 04 20:36:15 >> The intention is to allow systems to dynamically control regulator power output in order to save power and prolong battery life. This applies to both voltage regulators (where voltage output is controllable) and current sinks (where current limit is controllable).<< We don't exactly do "dynamic controlling" of any of that stuff, that's the whole point of bq24150 - it does the controlling for us Dec 04 20:37:34 ideally we set defaults in source or (beter) via kernel module parameters, and never ever need to touch any of those voltage registers Dec 04 20:38:52 I'll think about it during dinner, maybe the idea is catching on me when I'm not hungry anymore :-) Dec 04 22:41:46 who here knows about scratchbox? Dec 04 22:41:56 mehg scratchbox won't connect to the net! Dec 04 22:42:18 The host computer is connected Dec 04 22:42:27 I can ping stuff Dec 04 22:42:40 however after I /scratchbox/login Dec 04 22:42:55 I try and wget some source Dec 04 22:43:04 maybe it is a dns problem Dec 04 22:43:06 wget http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~brain/0verkill/release/0verkill.tgz --23:36:13-- http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/%7Ebrain/0verkill/release/0verkill.tgz => `0verkill.tgz' Resolving artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz... failed: Host not found. Dec 04 22:43:08 check your /etc/resolv.conf Dec 04 22:43:56 it may be different within scratchbox Dec 04 22:43:57 Yup, that's what it sounds like to me Dec 04 22:44:02 DNS problem Dec 04 22:49:28 so I have changed my /etc/resolv.conf to be the same as the resolv.conf however it still does nothing. Do I have to reload anything? Dec 04 22:51:04 That is the resolv.conf of the machine that scratchbox is installed on. Dec 04 22:51:11 It has internet just fine. Dec 04 22:51:50 still host not found! Dec 04 22:56:02 how can I diagnose this problem? Dec 04 22:56:18 what must I do? Dec 04 22:59:20 how do I make it resolv stuff? Dec 04 23:00:51 how? Dec 04 23:00:56 anyone? Dec 04 23:00:58 by spamming the channel some more Dec 04 23:01:04 that will help Dec 04 23:01:09 I can wget stuff if I use the IP Dec 04 23:01:33 -_- Dec 04 23:02:27 I just want to know why I cannot resolve any IPs Dec 04 23:02:38 because your dns setup is broken Dec 04 23:03:54 what must I do to diagnose it? Dec 04 23:04:36 check what nameserver should be used, and why it's either not used or can't be accessed... Dec 04 23:07:44 how do I know what nameserver should be used? Dec 04 23:07:50 is that my router? Dec 04 23:08:18 or a dns server like opendns? Dec 04 23:11:28 once I have re-written my my resolv.conf, do I have to restart anything? Dec 04 23:21:53 scratchbox Y U NO RESOLV??? Dec 04 23:22:22 hm Dec 04 23:22:34 find all resolv.conf files inside /scratchbox and ensure all of them are correct Dec 04 23:22:43 there might be more than one. Dec 04 23:31:51 javispedro: jesus christ. why so many copies of resolv.conf everywhere? Well at least I have learned somthing new. Dec 04 23:32:09 All I have to do now is learn how to upload this shit to autobuilder Dec 04 23:32:19 this tends to happen when you have lots of chroots.... which is what scratchbox is :P Dec 04 23:32:35 what is sgx_msr? 840 2 root RW 0 0.0 96.2 [sgx_misr] Dec 04 23:32:35 personally, I'd run a nameserver on localhost and call it a day. Dec 04 23:32:45 it's buttshafting my n900 Dec 04 23:32:51 jargon-: reboot time Dec 04 23:34:13 javispedro: that would be the 2nd reboot in 30mins. it seems,when i charge my phone while gpodder is downloading podcasts, my screen doesn't recover from black. can't switch the phone off,either, but it's still on, emails come in, notification bell and all. Dec 04 23:34:46 * jargon- reboots his n900....again Dec 04 23:38:21 it is GFX chip spazzing out like a mongo. Power off, pull the battery, restart. Dec 04 23:39:37 vi__: i ssh'd in and rebooted. battery's full now,incidentally Dec 04 23:40:18 sdl will act as a layer bewtween program and opengles? Dec 04 23:42:07 vi__: no, it will act as a layer between program and egl/x11 Dec 04 23:42:30 but it abstracts little if anything of opengl/opengles. Dec 04 23:44:59 forget it Dec 04 23:45:12 ? Dec 04 23:45:24 I am going to start on ripping flashlight applet off to create a new flashlight program. Dec 04 23:45:35 That doesnt suck balls Dec 04 23:45:53 trhankyou for all your assistance. Dec 04 23:56:52 Hi, I had a Nokia N900 and I am considering buying the Nokia N9. Is it worth it or I'll be damned with lack of support and indifference? Dec 04 23:58:08 ptl: no worse than the N900 - and more chance of commercial apps in the ovi store from people who target S60 + Harmattan. I have the N9 and I really do like it - it's a better phone & product - definitely not as hackable though Dec 04 23:58:58 not as hackable as the N900? why? Dec 05 00:00:45 ptl: it has this security framework called Aegis which means changing the OS in ways not expected/permitted by Nokia is prevented Dec 05 00:01:04 ~aegis Dec 05 00:01:15 but isn't it optional? or you can't use it in practice if you deactivate it? Dec 05 00:01:48 If it was easy to deactivated, that would defeat the purpose Dec 05 00:01:49 what about the OS? meego is discontinued again? is there a talk.maemo.org for the N9? Dec 05 00:02:15 Trcx: I mesan, the user could deactivate it, isn't it? Not the applications Dec 05 00:02:50 It's not really meego. Dec 05 00:02:53 Honestly I have no clue, I have no experience with the N9 Dec 05 00:03:15 sorry that I can't be of more help Dec 05 00:03:31 Harmattan is to meego what Planet of the Apes is to Gorillas in the Mist. Dec 05 00:03:43 so it's better? Dec 05 00:05:14 and btw, is there a specific channel for it? Dec 05 00:06:07 ptl: #harmattan Dec 05 00:07:01 this Meego != Harmattan pedantry is kinda irrelevant, the only MeeGo devices that shipped anywhere are MeeGo netbooks (nearly identical to Moblin) and STBs from Amino (the fact they are MeeGo is pretty much irrelevant to any owner/end user, if you're in the right part of Italy to have one) Dec 05 00:08:11