**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 05 02:59:58 2011
Dec 05 03:05:39 <LaoLang_cool> hm, I'm meeting the issue "internal error, application 'e-mail' closed"
Dec 05 03:06:15 <LaoLang_cool> It's here even I reflash emms and rom of n900
Dec 05 03:06:27 <LaoLang_cool> I have no any clue
Dec 05 05:53:14 <kwtm2> infobot
Dec 05 06:44:22 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Dec 05 06:49:06 <chem|st> o/
Dec 05 07:38:06 <jonwil> ~seen mohammadag
Dec 05 07:38:10 <infobot> mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists'.
Dec 05 08:14:06 * pabs3 wonders if any Meltemi info got released yet
Dec 05 08:17:37 <ruskie> pabs3, assuming it actually exists
Dec 05 08:19:59 <eichi> i did a cssu update and kernel update. now screen is black. dont know if I can reboot or have to wait more
Dec 05 08:20:32 <eichi> okay. key aboth reacts. seems that the wm is crashed
Dec 05 10:38:50 <freemangordon> ~seen pali
Dec 05 10:38:59 <infobot> pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 10m 45s ago, saying: '~seen X-Fade'.
Dec 05 12:19:58 <jonwil> ~seen mohammadag
Dec 05 12:20:05 <infobot> mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists'.
Dec 05 12:21:36 <tramp> what's up jonwil
Dec 05 12:22:18 <jonwil> not much
Dec 05 12:22:50 <tramp> What is your current project for maemo?
Dec 05 12:22:53 <jonwil> I think operator-name-cbs-widget is as done as it can get at this point, the next step is inclusion in cssu-t
Dec 05 12:23:47 <jonwil> icd-wlan-priority is still ongoing but I just cant seem to come up with a design for it that makes sense
Dec 05 12:23:48 <tramp> Goodie
Dec 05 12:24:06 <jonwil> especially a UI design for the control panel widget icd-wlan-priority is going to require
Dec 05 12:24:10 <tramp> What does it do?
Dec 05 12:24:28 <jonwil> the intent is to let you assign priorities to different wireless networks
Dec 05 12:24:30 <tramp> beyond the obvoius
Dec 05 12:24:33 <jonwil> and the phone will connect to the one with the higher priority
Dec 05 12:24:56 <tramp> interesting, you've run into that problem?
Dec 05 12:25:43 <tramp> I'm rarely in an area where two of my networks overlap
Dec 05 12:26:07 <jonwil> no I haven't had that problem but others have and want the feature
Dec 05 12:26:34 <jonwil> my virtualkeyboard work is also not going anywhere for various reasons
Dec 05 12:26:56 <tramp> :/
Dec 05 12:27:44 <tramp> i mean, what are you doing with the vkbd?
Dec 05 12:28:21 <jonwil> mostly trying to clone some bits of it to make messing with it easier
Dec 05 12:28:36 <jonwil> I already came up with a nice set of stuff to edit the keyboard layout files :)
Dec 05 12:29:05 <tramp> where is my maemo package idea list...
Dec 05 12:29:29 <tramp> a keyboard layout frontend?
Dec 05 12:29:41 <tramp> keyboard remapper, rather
Dec 05 12:30:15 <tramp> that's neat
Dec 05 12:30:26 <tramp> and a good idea
Dec 05 12:30:58 <jonwil> Basically it lets you edit the virtual keyboard layout files
Dec 05 12:31:18 <jonwil> Its not a GUI tool, it just lets you convert a keyboard layout file to XML
Dec 05 12:31:24 <jonwil> and from XML back to a layout file
Dec 05 12:31:26 <tramp> oh it's just for the vkbd? i thought it was for the physical kbd
Dec 05 12:31:32 <jonwil> yes vkbd
Dec 05 12:31:37 <jonwil> physical keyboard is set by other files
Dec 05 12:31:40 <jonwil> that you can already edit
Dec 05 12:32:03 <tramp> yes, by hand, i thought you made a FE
Dec 05 12:32:10 <jonwil> nope
Dec 05 12:32:22 <jonwil> GUI programming is not my strong suit
Dec 05 12:32:29 <jonwil> at least not GTK
Dec 05 12:32:43 <jonwil> and Hildon
Dec 05 12:32:46 <jonwil> and etc
Dec 05 12:32:52 <tramp> i almost never use the onscreen keyboard. I just map the phys keyboard to handle all common chars
Dec 05 12:33:58 <tramp> that's ok, who needs a gui when you have a perfectly good terminal
Dec 05 12:33:59 <tramp> ;)
Dec 05 12:34:56 <tramp> would you like to see my maemo package todo list?
Dec 05 12:35:12 <jonwil> yeah :)
Dec 05 12:35:32 <jonwil> The main problem I have is being inspired to work on things
Dec 05 12:35:32 <tramp> i better explain them actually..
Dec 05 12:35:53 <tramp> a core optifier
Dec 05 12:36:42 <tramp> it optifies the core applications on the phone, so you don't have to play with the sketchy optify script everytime you flash
Dec 05 12:37:09 <jonwil> interesting
Dec 05 12:37:11 <tramp> i thought of it when i ran out of root space
Dec 05 12:37:12 <jonwil> what else?
Dec 05 12:37:36 <tramp> something to fix the paths of programs, forexample...
Dec 05 12:38:23 <tramp> the locate program wont work until you install gnufindutils and move /usr/bin/gfind to /usr/bin/find
Dec 05 12:38:39 <tramp> there are similar problems with other programs too
Dec 05 12:39:00 <tramp> they require switches only the gnu versions provide
Dec 05 12:39:26 <tramp> and some expect them to be in /usr/bin
Dec 05 12:39:50 <jonwil> ok, and what else?
Dec 05 12:40:42 <tramp> a notify-send equivalent, to control notifications from the terminal or scripts, and then...
Dec 05 12:41:08 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 05 12:41:19 <tramp> an irssi notifier plugin (very easy, i already made it. it just needs to be packaged after someone does the following...)
Dec 05 12:41:49 <tramp> rebuild irssi with perl-support and repackage
Dec 05 12:42:15 <tramp> the rest are just repackages
Dec 05 12:42:30 <tramp> of debian applications
Dec 05 12:43:03 <tramp> e.g. fio, KeePass2
Dec 05 12:44:52 <tramp> i've already built fio, and irssi (--with-perl) for maemo before, i just haven't packaged them yet
Dec 05 12:45:17 <tramp> and KeePass2
Dec 05 12:45:30 <tramp> What do you think?
Dec 05 12:46:49 <jonwil> interesting
Dec 05 12:46:52 <jonwil> :P]
Dec 05 12:49:41 <tramp> you can be honest
Dec 05 12:50:19 <tramp> I'm not interesting in making anything unnecessary
Dec 05 12:52:05 <tramp> jonwil: You're also, of course, free to do them for me ^^
Dec 05 12:52:17 <jonwil> not interesting any of those myself
Dec 05 12:52:39 <tramp> I'm surprised no one else has had problems with those
Dec 05 12:53:31 <tramp> that is, the program path problem
Dec 05 12:53:56 <tramp> and irssi, being the lightest, most useable irc client on the phone
Dec 05 12:54:17 * Sicelo likes irssi on N900 :)
Dec 05 12:55:03 <tramp> Sicelo: What do you think about it notifying you when someone says your name?
Dec 05 12:56:03 <tramp> lol, like just then
Dec 05 12:56:10 <Sicelo> well, mostly i use it remotely, via ssh, but i have it installed on N900 too. so, such a feature would be very welcome :)
Dec 05 12:57:08 <tramp> right, you can't get notifications when over ssh :/
Dec 05 13:00:07 <tramp> jonwil said: "Interesting, I'm not interested."
Dec 05 13:01:38 <Sicelo> tramp: not sure i get u.. i'd like that irssi
Dec 05 13:02:47 <tramp> Sicelo: I said you can't get notifications when you use irssi over ssh.
Dec 05 13:03:10 <tramp> Sicelo: I'll make it though, thanks for letting me know
Dec 05 13:03:17 <Sicelo> :)
Dec 05 13:04:08 <tramp> What about the path problem, is that not a problem for anyone?
Dec 05 13:05:12 * jonwil just cant get inspired to work on things
Dec 05 13:05:25 <jonwil> mostly because no-one seems to care about the stuff I do
Dec 05 13:05:36 <jonwil> and because I cant seem to make any useful progress...
Dec 05 13:05:48 <tramp> It really became a problem when I tried to develop packages directly from the phone. I had enough errors to work through to track some of them back to a problem of unusual paths.
Dec 05 13:06:33 <tramp> well, then...just do something people care about X_X
Dec 05 13:07:40 <freemangordon> vkb for example :p
Dec 05 13:07:57 <SpeedEvil> Bouncing boobies!
Dec 05 13:08:00 <tramp> if people care about it, then dont fret, jonwil
Dec 05 13:08:10 <Corsac> boobs!
Dec 05 13:08:30 <jonwil> problem with vkb stuff is that I cant seem to make any progress on it
Dec 05 13:08:50 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: I find the CBS work interesting. I admit, I'd find it more interesting if my provider did anything with CBS.
Dec 05 13:08:52 <jonwil> vkb code is too complex (like many parts of the N900)
Dec 05 13:09:07 <SpeedEvil> :(
Dec 05 13:09:13 <tramp> i just told you my method or workaround, and only to save you time if everyone adopts my method instead
Dec 05 13:12:26 <jonwil> more to the point, I gotta stop procrastinating and get all the things I need to do this week done so I am ready to go on holidays next week
Dec 05 13:12:57 <tramp> how long have you been programming?
Dec 05 13:13:33 <tramp> ignore that question
Dec 05 13:16:19 <jonwil> The best part about my holiday is that I will pass through even more cell towers and get more logs
Dec 05 13:16:32 <tramp> logs for what
Dec 05 13:17:07 <jonwil> logs of the towers I pass through
Dec 05 13:17:13 <jonwil> from my cbs widget
Dec 05 13:17:37 <tramp> for what, wifi geo location
Dec 05 13:17:59 <jonwil> no, just for interest
Dec 05 13:18:08 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 05 13:18:18 <tramp> :)
Dec 05 13:20:13 <tramp> *rolls eyes*
Dec 05 13:21:15 * RST38h wonders if anyone will be geeky enough to buy jonwil a little programmable cell tower for Christmas
Dec 05 13:21:26 <RST38h> hand-sized
Dec 05 13:23:05 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 05 13:23:16 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 05 13:23:20 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 2h 51m 52s, last said: 'But will be fixed more permanently in a future version :)'.
Dec 05 13:26:26 <tramp> seriously, though, what do you need a virtual keyboard for, when you can remap the physical one with every key you need?
Dec 05 13:27:20 <SpeedEvil> The virtual one is more damp-proof
Dec 05 13:27:24 <SpeedEvil> Amongst other things
Dec 05 13:28:36 <tramp> damp-proof?
Dec 05 13:28:43 <tramp> explain
Dec 05 13:31:57 <jonwil> I dont need a tower, what I REALLY want for Xmas is source code for connui*, icd* and hildon-input-method-*
Dec 05 13:32:16 <jonwil> That and an apartment that doesn't feel like a furnace when the temperature goes up
Dec 05 13:32:20 <jonwil> :P
Dec 05 13:33:20 * SpeedEvil looks at the thermometer in single digits inside.
Dec 05 13:34:27 * hiemanshu looks at the perfect weather outside
Dec 05 13:34:49 * RST38h at the furnace, throws a few more X11 manuals
Dec 05 13:36:34 <neal> If anyone has a few minutes, I'd appreciate testing of my packages:
Dec 05 13:36:46 <neal> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/murmeltier/0.4~20111203
Dec 05 13:36:57 <neal> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~20111203
Dec 05 13:37:22 <SpeedEvil> When I get back from the post box, posting randoms books and stuff.
Dec 05 13:37:31 <neal> thanks!
Dec 05 14:38:51 * jonwil doubts he will ever have source code for icd2, libicd-network-wlan, hildon-input-method-widgets, hildon-input-method-plugins, libimlayouts, connui-cellular or connui-common :(
Dec 05 14:43:20 * SpeedEvil installs neal's stuff.
Dec 05 14:58:11 <jonwil> 'in the relm of things that are at least theoretically possible to obtain, I still wish I could get hold of hexrays for ARM, it would be so useful for all sorts of things IMO :P
Dec 05 15:12:57 <tramp> Hexrays should be able to decompile ARM instructions. It's built on IDA, and I know IDA decompiles ARM.
Dec 05 15:14:42 <jacekowski> hexrays is not builtin into ida
Dec 05 15:15:13 <tramp> *glare*
Dec 05 15:15:25 <jacekowski> it's just a plugin
Dec 05 15:15:28 <jacekowski> expensive plugin
Dec 05 15:16:01 <tramp> I did not say it was built into IDA.
Dec 05 15:16:25 <jacekowski> and there are two separate plugins one for x86 and one for arm
Dec 05 15:17:52 <tramp> Are you supporting my theory, or disagreeing with it mysteriously.
Dec 05 15:29:59 <freemangordon> jonwil, isn't IDA with AMR hexrays available somehow (torrents, emule,...)?
Dec 05 15:30:05 <freemangordon> *ARN
Dec 05 15:30:08 <freemangordon> ARM*
Dec 05 15:30:11 <freemangordon> damn
Dec 05 15:30:17 <jonwil> if it was, I would have found it by now
Dec 05 15:30:51 <jonwil> x86 yes, ARM now
Dec 05 15:30:53 <jonwil> no
Dec 05 15:31:14 <freemangordon> hmm, I will check local torrents this evening
Dec 05 15:32:01 <freemangordon> who knows, having in mind our local hackers :D
Dec 05 15:47:43 <jacekowski> freemangordon: nope, they don't sell it
Dec 05 15:47:52 <jacekowski> freemangordon: not yet at least
Dec 05 15:50:22 <freemangordon> There are several IDA versions on thepiratebay.org, have no idea about sells :D
Dec 05 15:51:03 <freemangordon> will check later if those contain hexrays for arm
Dec 05 15:52:01 <jonwil> they dont
Dec 05 15:52:10 <jonwil> unless its one I havent seen before but I doubt that
Dec 05 15:53:15 <freemangordon> The latest is from august this year. Anyway, I will try to find it in emule
Dec 05 15:54:13 <jonwil> good luck finding it
Dec 05 15:54:33 <freemangordon> 10x
Dec 05 15:54:43 <jonwil> I know places where guru level hackers hang out and even they dont know of a leak
Dec 05 15:55:31 <jonwil> The main use for it in the N900 case would be to understand function flow
Dec 05 16:57:44 <fosstux> Hi! I've tried several methods to reflash my n900 - in ubuntu it says flasher-3.5 command not found, from the gentoo live cd it cannot load libusb.so.0. In fedora I get device or class busy.
Dec 05 16:57:53 <fosstux> I simply can't reflash my n900
Dec 05 16:58:32 <fosstux> That's why I have the following question: Is itz possible to increase the vfat partition in size?
Dec 05 17:38:57 <fredddd> I am facing a little problem with my contact and calendar synchronisation.
Dec 05 17:39:16 <fredddd> I have set sync.expressionate.org to CNAME to m.google.com, which it does just fine, and pinging it from my N900 detects this.
Dec 05 17:39:35 <fredddd> When setting sync.expressionate.org as Exchange server in address, it spews out invalid exchange address, while m.google.com works.
Dec 05 17:40:03 <fredddd> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72558&page=2 seems to be a still active thread about it.
Dec 05 17:40:06 <fredddd> Is there anything I can do?
Dec 05 18:01:31 <jonne> anyone know what the proper way is to make ssh start on boot?
Dec 05 18:01:53 <jonne> i tried googling it but all the results seem to be about making sure it doesn't start on boot
Dec 05 18:03:46 <luke-jr> jonne: it does by default
Dec 05 18:04:18 <jonne> yeah, but i either disabled it and forgot how, or something isn't working right
Dec 05 18:04:33 <jonne> checking the init script now
Dec 05 18:04:56 <jonne> /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run doesn't exist, so that's not it
Dec 05 18:06:16 <jonne> does ssh status applet interfere with the init script?
Dec 05 18:11:00 <jonne> yeah, that appears to be the culprint :/
Dec 05 18:35:23 <ruskie> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Ainol-Ainovo-Novo7-/ <-- hmm
Dec 05 19:22:53 <fosstux> How can I enable syncing of calendars and contacts with google?
Dec 05 19:27:22 <Sicelo> http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google
Dec 05 19:27:31 <Sicelo> dunno how well that works though
Dec 05 19:53:33 <fosstux> How usable is meego or tizen on the n900?
Dec 05 19:55:41 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 05 19:56:49 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 05 19:57:00 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 9h 25m 30s, last said: 'But will be fixed more permanently in a future version :)'.
Dec 05 20:23:03 <jave> hello
Dec 05 20:23:06 <andre__> hi.
Dec 05 20:23:28 <jave> I managed to reflash my n900. thanks all for the help/
Dec 05 20:24:59 <Sicelo> ~seen merlin1991 
Dec 05 20:25:04 <infobot> merlin1991 is currently on #maemo (1h 44m 8s) #n9 (1h 44m 8s) #debian (1h 44m 8s) #harmattan (1h 44m 8s), last said: 'in my /etc there is also group-, passwd-, shadow-, gshadow- what's up with those files?'.
Dec 05 20:25:25 <merlin1991> ofc infobot is on #debian too
Dec 05 20:25:32 <merlin1991> and logs me asking newb questions :D
Dec 05 20:27:34 <Sicelo> :D
Dec 05 20:32:04 <merlin1991> ~seen arcean
Dec 05 20:32:07 <infobot> arcean <~Arcean@aadb225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 8h 47m 48s ago, saying: '~malf'.
Dec 05 21:52:49 <vi__> so are there any bored c haxors who want to look throughmsome code with me?
Dec 05 22:07:01 <Macer> hm
Dec 05 22:07:14 <Macer> i wonder if super street fighter iv will run in wine :)
Dec 05 22:07:23 <Macer> wine has gotten pretty good 
Dec 06 02:55:32 <jonwil> ~seen mohammadag
Dec 06 02:55:34 <infobot> mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 6h 22m 22s, last said: '~seen stroughtonsmith'.
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