**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 08 02:59:57 2011 Dec 08 06:25:49 how can I use GPT for the sdcard on the N900? Dec 08 06:26:02 kernel-power 49 doesn't want to cooperate Dec 08 06:27:11 gpt? Dec 08 06:28:53 yeah Dec 08 06:29:26 i tried once, maemo didn't see my p3 swap partition and it said "memory card format not supported" Dec 08 06:29:41 under k-p so it should've had gpt support Dec 08 06:30:09 define gpt Dec 08 06:30:27 guid partition table Dec 08 06:35:41 Why do you want to use GPT? Dec 08 06:36:13 moar partitions Dec 08 06:37:08 seriously, i want to have p1 as regular fat32, p2 as easy-debian, p3 as swap, p4 as meego, and p5 as android Dec 08 06:37:34 internal p4 will probably house maemo-on-emmc Dec 08 06:38:28 Why? Dec 08 06:38:29 I figured, wait. Dec 08 06:38:34 Just use swap as a file Dec 08 06:38:45 Or extended partitions Dec 08 06:40:46 Why not use LVM? Dec 08 06:41:23 LVM is better supported. Dec 08 06:41:53 And, better. Dec 08 06:42:26 can i boot OSes off lvm? or do i still need dm-setup or whatever it's called Dec 08 06:43:12 You can still boot OSes off lvm. Dec 08 06:43:38 You can choose to encrypt if you want. Dec 08 06:44:09 oh, that's nice, and it looks a lot better than extended partitions. i can probably shove meego and android on a lvm'd p4 Dec 08 06:44:47 next question, how can i boot maemo off a partition on the N900? Dec 08 06:45:10 it simply sputters and dies, using the M32GBPR12 scripts Dec 08 06:45:38 i used the copy script, and simply wrote my own multiboot item file Dec 08 06:46:19 i assume i should be using ext3 (which is also supposedly builtin to k-p) instead of ext4? Dec 08 06:46:44 I haven't tried it. I believe I've heard of troubles doing so. Why would you want to? Dec 08 06:47:50 GPT vs. LVM: http://insan-it.blogspot.com/2010/09/gpt-versus-lvm.html Dec 08 06:48:24 it's said that i can lower CPU usage a slight bit by not using ubifs as root Dec 08 06:50:51 Create Multi-Boot USB: http://comptb.cects.com/67-multi-boot-usb-with-syslinux-and-grub4dos Dec 08 06:51:50 wut Dec 08 06:52:29 i'm talking about booting maemo off a emmc partition Dec 08 06:53:17 Hurrian: the rootfs is much faster than the other storage devices Dec 08 06:54:12 I'm not sure if you will save cpu, but you may slow down the whole system. Dec 08 06:55:32 reads on emmc and ubifs are same speed Dec 08 06:55:52 writes would be faster on ubifs if it wasn't compressed Dec 08 06:56:27 What tool did you use to take these measurements? Dec 08 06:56:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744130&postcount=91 Dec 08 07:10:52 Oh, well then, good luck on the project. You may find a better answer in the thread where everyone else on the project is. If you gain any noticeable performance (without err), please document it in the wiki. Dec 08 07:11:35 ~seen Hurrian Dec 08 07:11:38 hurrian <~yuki@121.54.2.104> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14m 56s ago, saying: 'http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744130&postcount=91'. Dec 08 07:31:51 hulloooii! Dec 08 07:32:03 mesa be backsa! Dec 08 07:36:34 Oh shoot, we were going to throw you a surprise party. Dec 08 07:39:34 But, I told them they couldn't. Dec 08 07:58:24 well. moorning. Dec 08 07:59:04 woo Dec 08 07:59:10 moo Dec 08 08:00:09 o Dec 08 08:00:10 o Dec 08 08:00:13 ΞΎ Dec 08 09:02:17 Do you know what one of my pet pieves is? Dec 08 09:02:56 When someone says 'by definition' to support their argument when they obviously don't know what it means. For example, "programming is, by definition, tedious," or "youtube is, by definition, entertaining," or "people are, by definition, stupid." Dec 08 09:03:43 They are subjective statements, and have nothing to do with the definitions of those terms! Programming can be fun, youtube is a traitorous web service, and regardless of whether or not people are stupid, Webster hasn't declared it definitive. Dec 08 09:05:18 jazedal: is english your 1st language? Dec 08 09:06:38 jazedal: if you listen to people speak you will hear a constant stream of garbage. Dec 08 09:06:47 Not just the content. Dec 08 09:06:57 I mean the structure. Dec 08 09:08:18 It will be peppered with bullshit phrases and constructs that the offender does not really understand however feels should be used due to encountering a similar verbal position before. Dec 08 09:09:06 It is just the slack talking mong speak of the spackers around you. Deal woth it. Dec 08 09:09:14 ^with Dec 08 09:10:12 Worst offneders are people with art 'degrees'. Dec 08 09:10:21 offneders? wtf? Dec 08 09:12:40 I cannot deal with it. Dec 08 10:31:31 i think stupid is a good definition of people Dec 08 10:41:45 hello Dec 08 10:42:08 can I, somehow, redirect all user data to be on a sdcard? Dec 08 10:42:18 Macer: even a single person can be stupid Dec 08 10:42:25 "stupid" is not a valid characterisation of people Dec 08 10:42:46 on a n900 I mean. Dec 08 10:43:01 jave: sure, save there Dec 08 10:43:02 >:D Dec 08 10:46:20 kerio: people are cattle.. you only need to take a trip to your local walmart which, by definition, is nothing more than a human zoo Dec 08 10:46:24 * Macer grins Dec 08 10:46:26 also it would be nice if I could use encrytption for at least part of the data Dec 08 11:23:08 Macer: my local walmart is 938km away, and it's in germany Dec 08 11:29:00 jave: Sure, why not. Dec 08 11:29:13 ~database Dec 08 11:29:14 i heard database is how you store your dataAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Dec 08 11:29:18 ~databases Dec 08 11:29:42 Oh, infobot. Dec 08 11:29:51 does anyone remember the "10 misconceptions about databases" thing? Dec 08 11:30:04 link? Dec 08 11:30:17 What is confusing about databases? Dec 08 11:31:02 ill think ill build a gta04 Dec 08 11:31:06 jazedal: and that is why you are a social recluse who hangs out on irc. Dec 08 11:31:28 I don't understand. Dec 08 11:31:33 jazedal: nope, was stuff like 1. users have a realname Dec 08 11:31:49 < jazedal> I cannot deal with it. Dec 08 11:32:35 I can't, it's an abomination of language. The tool we use to communicate ideas. Dec 08 11:33:11 It reduces professional and academic terms to mere figures of speech. Dec 08 11:33:53 For someone who values 'real speech' so highly it is odd you would choose to eschew the convenience of speech for irc. Dec 08 11:36:39 It is not convenient for me. Dec 08 11:37:30 This computer does not have a microphone. Dec 08 11:38:23 is it possible to set up laptop/pc as bluetooth speaker/microphone and use it to receive call from n900? i mean something similar like hands-free system in a car when you use car radio but here i want to use laptop instead of the radio Dec 08 11:38:42 jave: You can store your files in MyDocs, encrypt the entire volume, or create an encrypted file in MyDocs and mount it separately. Dec 08 11:40:20 jazedal: thanks! Dec 08 11:40:32 You're welcome. Dec 08 11:43:22 vi_: Also, I consider it being safe and free of human contact. You can call it socially recluse if you must. Dec 08 13:23:18 Dec 08 13:25:50 Juozapas: yes Dec 08 13:27:27 chem|st: can u tell me more about it ? Dec 08 13:28:11 you need to setup your computer/laptop as bluetooth headset in general Dec 08 13:28:49 I did that years ago and as it automatically connected as mic and speaker from then on I killed it again Dec 08 13:29:03 it did do it for anything Dec 08 13:29:39 do u remember programs u used ? Dec 08 13:36:52 chem|st: ? Dec 08 13:55:30 Juozapas: no, or I did not use specific stuff more like I edited the bluetooth configs Dec 08 13:55:47 Juozapas: lmgtfy Dec 08 13:57:28 thx ;] Dec 08 13:57:28 iirc broadcom drivers call it Headset Gateway Dec 08 14:00:01 Juozapas: for you I'd guess bluez is a start Dec 08 14:01:08 Juozapas: unfortunately the system I did all that stuff at is offline and off (laking a PSU atm) Dec 08 14:06:36 http://nohands.sourceforge.net/config.html Dec 08 14:06:43 chem|st: i found something Dec 08 14:06:54 maybe u used it ? Dec 08 15:20:41 Juozapas: nope Dec 08 17:37:35 hello? Dec 08 17:38:17 hello? Dec 08 17:38:52 hello? Dec 08 17:39:21 ZOMG! Dec 08 17:40:43 trololo, trololo... Dec 08 17:44:01 hello bros Dec 08 17:44:37 I amtrying to make an IRC>espeak bridge. Dec 08 17:44:43 so far it sucks Dec 08 17:45:24 did it try to pronounce ZOMG and trololo? you should have recorded it! :) Dec 08 17:45:53 ? Dec 08 17:46:14 ? Dec 08 17:49:19 ? Dec 08 17:51:47 * javispedro idly wonders if this qwerty12 was the qwerty12 we knew. Dec 08 18:53:09 javispedro: Probably not Dec 08 18:53:11 In other news, im looking at a DHL package Dec 08 18:53:19 But feat it might be filled with explosives Dec 08 18:53:20 wohoo! Dec 08 18:53:24 Fear Dec 08 18:53:31 send it to me Dec 08 18:53:53 1 infinite loop right? Dec 08 18:54:18 right there Dec 08 18:54:58 Aha i knew it! Dec 08 18:55:02 c'mon, just get a stick and open it! Dec 08 18:55:07 long enough, of course Dec 08 18:55:29 javispedro: Going out in a bit, so ill open it in the car later :p Dec 08 18:55:45 exploding cars always make better headlines! Dec 08 18:56:18 Under the rain makes it more dramatic Dec 08 18:56:34 actually, what you should fear is whether the stones that will be inside will be Qt compatible or not Dec 08 18:56:56 lol Dec 08 18:57:09 javispedro: Theres another N950 still in customs Dec 08 18:57:23 The one nokia claimed, theyre not sending it back Dec 08 18:57:36 ... Dec 08 18:57:38 ~israel-sucks Dec 08 18:57:39 i guess israel-sucks is http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A Dec 08 18:57:39 Madness Dec 08 18:57:45 infobot: lol Dec 08 18:57:46 rumour has it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Dec 08 18:58:07 btw, still waiting for my asus rma Dec 08 18:58:11 two months for now Dec 08 18:58:22 nearly two months and a half.. Dec 08 18:58:26 javispedro: Read the line before the two clearance delays Dec 08 18:58:44 Ill give it two weeks Dec 08 18:59:00 Then ill ask for it and say they sent me an N950 without requiring a license Dec 08 18:59:16 Then ill ask if Nokia still want it Dec 08 18:59:24 If not, its a nice gift Dec 08 18:59:43 They'll turn up at you rdoor and demand the unlicncenced one Dec 08 18:59:47 what will happen is that they'll raid your house Dec 08 18:59:51 exactly =) Dec 08 18:59:55 Or i can port Windows Phone 7 to it Dec 08 19:00:03 SpeedEvil: They dont know my door Dec 08 19:00:16 I didnt ship to my house, im not that dumb :p Dec 08 19:00:17 they'll look for any unlicensed maemo mass communicating devices Dec 08 19:02:33 So i shouldnt use that plan then? Dec 08 19:02:38 In all seriousness that is Dec 08 19:03:44 the usual answer would be "ask a lawyer".. Dec 08 19:07:29 MohammadAG: you didn't open it yet?? Dec 08 19:07:29 javispedro: mooo :-D Dec 08 19:07:33 moo DocScrutinizer Dec 08 19:08:15 * DocScrutinizer <- windows idiot greeting Dec 08 19:08:24 :-S Dec 08 19:09:01 even office mail via OUTLOOK! unbearable Dec 08 19:09:28 the worst thing about paid work is the tools you have to use Dec 08 19:10:29 hey, I'm starting to find Excel usable Dec 08 19:10:47 excel always been relatively nice Dec 08 19:11:20 even back when it wasn't a M$ product Dec 08 19:12:15 excel Dec 08 19:12:17 jacekowski: Its still a virgin Dec 08 19:12:20 te most abused tool ever! Dec 08 19:12:24 the* Dec 08 19:12:34 My uni forces us to use it Dec 08 19:12:36 seen the most freaky things run on top of excel Dec 08 19:12:39 For physics Dec 08 19:12:53 from change and incident managment up to realtime market data calculations and publishing Dec 08 19:13:10 using Excel is actually changing me a bit. There's some manipulation work where I would previously have developed a script but nowadays I tend to use excel. At least only if the end result is a chart Dec 08 19:13:12 imagine 10 excel sheets which update with a clock ... :P Dec 08 19:13:13 DocScrutinizer: Thunderbird ftw Dec 08 19:13:47 Imagined, anything else? Dec 08 19:13:51 Hmm Dec 08 19:13:57 hah, a guy at Siemens, who knew all bout egg-sell but nuttin about anything else, once coded his own text editor in a set of excel sheets, each page a new sheet, ech char in his own cell. The friggin thing even did line-wrapping Dec 08 19:14:05 Would be fun if siri on ios turned into clippy on 1 april Dec 08 19:14:35 hahaha Dec 08 19:14:43 Oh and i feel like making a siri-like thing on harmattan Dec 08 19:14:49 MohammadAG: thanks, dude. Alas company policies don't even allow FF Dec 08 19:15:11 DocScrutinizer: so this means you found a job? :) Dec 08 19:15:11 Except itd use pocketsphinx and be offline Dec 08 19:15:37 Using predefined commands that will continue to be updated Dec 08 19:15:42 finished my first week today, with a first productive result on checking tickets against source Dec 08 19:15:46 MohammadAG: i'd love someone configuring pocketsphinx for me Dec 08 19:15:50 Even how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood Dec 08 19:15:59 MohammadAG: I couldn't get more than 0% accuracy Dec 08 19:16:11 Ill ask some ios devs to help Dec 08 19:16:29 Been ~seening one on #harmattan a lot lately Dec 08 19:17:19 DocScrutinizer: :) congrats Dec 08 19:17:28 thanks but :-S Dec 08 19:17:36 MohammadAG: is the DHL package STILL closed? Dec 08 19:17:56 Yes Dec 08 19:18:06 * javispedro remotely zaps MohammadAG Dec 08 19:18:52 For one im on the shitter Dec 08 19:18:59 Im not taking my precious n950 there Dec 08 19:19:07 Well, was Dec 08 19:19:19 Theres a perfectly good ipad for that Dec 08 19:22:06 MEH, I wasn't interested in details Dec 08 19:22:08 you also have an ipad? Dec 08 19:23:35 talking about ipads, more touchpads on the way: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/12/08/1545236/hp-reviving-the-99-touch-pad-on-december-11th Dec 08 19:23:58 javispedro: Twas a gift Dec 08 19:24:07 You may version me to check Dec 08 19:24:15 oh well Dec 08 19:24:25 Nokia service replaced my N900 to E7 Dec 08 19:39:51 Jartza, did you complain? Dec 08 19:59:58 Jartza: that's level one, and it's last level of settling issues when you don't complain Dec 08 20:01:07 no complaints == "the customer was pleased to finally get a *real* phone" Dec 08 21:32:38 hello world Dec 08 21:33:28 anyone here familiar w/ dial central? Dec 08 22:52:43 xfade. Dec 08 22:54:20 anyone here have a fremantle sdk handy? Dec 08 22:54:49 .oO(host is missing a PSU) nope sry Dec 08 22:55:38 timeless_xchat: yes I have :D Dec 08 22:55:51 though it is polluted with cssu packages :D Dec 08 22:58:02 could i get you to build a package for me? Dec 08 22:58:14 http://bluevandevelopment.com/blog/2011/02/03/xchat-sasl-and-gcc-on-the-n900/ Dec 08 22:59:33 one big change though Dec 08 22:59:39 where it says: nano cap_sasl.c Dec 08 22:59:41 don't Dec 08 22:59:49 just create a file next to that file Dec 08 23:00:47 mkdir xchat ; echo '#include ' > xchat/xchat-plugin.h Dec 08 23:01:05 not sure if that'll work, but it's worth trying Dec 08 23:01:10 if it doesn't, then: Dec 08 23:01:45 ln -s . xchat ; ln -s $(find /usr/include -name xchat-plugin.h) . Dec 08 23:02:14 ... the goal is to create a vaguely valid .deb package that we could submit to a builder Dec 08 23:02:26 but w/o me getting an sdk :) Dec 08 23:02:35 thanks in advance Dec 08 23:08:07 ShadowJK: yes, I did complain. Dec 08 23:08:16 I'm waiting for an answer still Dec 08 23:23:50 timeless_xchat: the xchat package in fremantle doesn't seem to provide xchat-plugin Dec 08 23:24:19 xchat-plugin.h Dec 08 23:27:54 timeless_xchat: will do Dec 08 23:43:11 hi ppl Dec 08 23:47:02 * valerius installed scratchbox and trying to compile a toolchain in it. configure has created a.out and tried to execute it. And it tries to load ld-linux.so.3 which is missing /lib is empty at all. From where I can install it? Dec 08 23:49:05 And strange, apt-get is present but /etc/apt is missing... Dec 09 00:26:59 hey guys. is there some way to open link in background window in the web browser? Dec 09 00:30:37 closest thing is open in new window Dec 09 00:30:42 then you have to manually switch back Dec 09 00:32:12 ShadowJK: nuts Dec 09 01:50:59 timeless_xchat: I just found a few mins to look into that stuff, so you suggest we create a source package where someone just has to throw the login line there compile and is all ready? Dec 09 02:00:51 ideally we create a source package Dec 09 02:01:00 send it to the builder Dec 09 02:01:07 people install package Dec 09 02:01:17 and they use the login line Dec 09 02:01:49 merlin1991: assuming i read things correctly Dec 09 02:49:24 damn. windows media center isn't too bad **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 09 02:59:58 2011