**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 09 02:59:58 2011 Dec 09 03:41:14 When I try to save something in Notes it defaultly goes to /n900/Documents Dec 09 03:41:29 when I browse to /home/user/MyDocs/Documents the directory doesn't exist! Dec 09 03:41:32 what's the deal? Dec 09 03:46:02 internetishard, it's actually /home/user/MyDocs/.documents Dec 09 03:46:09 wow, wtf Dec 09 03:46:23 See: Nokia Weirdness Dec 09 03:46:35 sweet. I looked into it because notes stopped saving files to there Dec 09 03:46:41 It says read only everytime Dec 09 03:47:19 why is .documents read only, but the subdirs arent? Dec 09 03:47:23 This happened out of nowhere Dec 09 03:48:00 Dunno Dec 09 03:48:05 Check permissions. Dec 09 03:48:20 i.e. ls -al *path* Dec 09 03:48:52 everything is -rw-r--r-- Dec 09 03:49:05 Who's the owner? Dec 09 03:49:21 and . is drwxrwxrwx Dec 09 03:49:22 root Dec 09 03:49:29 And the folders inside? Dec 09 03:49:39 But I tried to touch a file as root Dec 09 03:49:56 Also, type 'mount' and check to make sure there is an entry for /home/user/MyDocs Dec 09 03:50:42 same Dec 09 03:51:17 See last comment Dec 09 03:52:07 ah, that's mounted? Dec 09 03:52:35 MyDocs is a different partition than the rest Dec 09 03:52:55 It's the 28GB or so fat32 partition that you see when you hook up to usb Dec 09 03:53:11 /home/user, on the other hand, is on a 2GB ext3 partition Dec 09 03:53:35 ah it says /dev/mmblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat Dec 09 03:53:37 If, for some reason, the MyDocs partition wasn't mounted, your files would disappear Dec 09 03:53:46 Ok, then it *is* mounted. Dec 09 03:53:55 yeah, MyDocs is fine Dec 09 03:54:01 the weirdness starts at .documents Dec 09 03:54:47 Odd Dec 09 03:54:59 def. Dec 09 03:54:59 Try unmounting it and running fsck Dec 09 03:55:04 google for instructions Dec 09 03:55:43 umount /media/home/user/MyDocs && fsck /dev/whatever, eh? Dec 09 03:55:54 More or less Dec 09 03:57:13 why do they need such long/complex volume names? Dec 09 03:57:16 use sda!? Dec 09 03:57:44 nice, it found an error Dec 09 03:57:52 I'm guessing I can blindly select "fix it"? Dec 09 03:58:36 Hopefully Dec 09 04:00:01 this all might have happened when I dropped it in the toilet Dec 09 04:00:07 there are a lot of these Dec 09 04:00:13 how can I select 1 for all? Dec 09 04:01:20 No clu Dec 09 04:02:51 there are shit loads of long garbled file names that its reporting Dec 09 04:03:01 I'm selecting 3: truncate checksum Dec 09 04:03:07 and 1: fix, for the rest Dec 09 04:11:28 wholy christ there are thousands. I just use the -a so it'd auto doing it..... still going Dec 09 04:11:47 It's on the 6,000th one Dec 09 04:15:01 Evidently, things are corrupt. And may be made worse Dec 09 04:15:08 Hopefully you have backups Dec 09 04:15:18 10k... Dec 09 04:15:30 I hope the backup app covers all of these files Dec 09 04:15:35 That's what I've used for my backups so far Dec 09 04:16:02 I did all 4 checkboxes... But it didn't specifically list the dirs where I save stuf Dec 09 07:00:16 moo, and bbl Dec 09 08:59:05 any of you guys tried JP regdom? Dec 09 09:07:08 anybody remember old good OS2008? Dec 09 09:08:20 On my n810 wimax editin I cannot get small onscreen keyboard, only the bii one shows up Dec 09 09:14:21 mm I don't have N810 but could it be because you installed international input (such as SCIM for instance) may have broken the vkbd? Dec 09 09:15:10 hmmm. will check, but I did't Dec 09 09:16:03 if not then try tracing back what you did last before you broke it.. I do know installing for instance mscim/qimsys on N900 breaks the vkbd.. so does portrait keyboard such as T9 for instance Dec 09 09:16:22 cause from the beginning when I used N810 only small keyboard were coming, and with N810W snly the big one shows up Dec 09 09:17:12 Which is a right way to invoke one or other keyboard? Dec 09 09:17:52 that I wouldn't know personally :| have you tried tmo? Dec 09 09:18:44 not yet Dec 09 09:19:25 I'd give that a shot as maybe more N8x0 owners may lurk on there more than here :).. it also seems to be a quiet time of the day too (for IRC) Dec 09 09:19:28 I think I just dont know the right ay to change keyboard size Dec 09 09:20:14 *shrug* never use vkbd on my n810 Dec 09 09:54:08 arnet; iirc it's in settings Dec 09 09:54:42 the defaults are stylus keyboard if you tap with stylus, and finger keyboard (big) if you tap with thumb. Dec 09 09:54:58 the detection stylus/finger only worked first day for me though Dec 09 09:56:06 Jartza; what was wrong with your N900? Dec 09 09:58:04 * ruskie is still happy to say he never saw the on screen keyboard on the N900 Dec 09 10:01:18 heh with N9 you have no choice but to use vkbd :D Dec 09 10:01:41 which is why i will never have a n9 :) Dec 09 10:04:46 I've been trying to convince myself that I'll never will want a N9.. truth be told that no matter how hard I try to ignore the N9, its still there in the brochures mocking me psychologically Dec 09 10:11:16 hum gps not working :( someone got some problem ? Dec 09 10:11:53 it was working yesterday for me Dec 09 10:12:17 N900 ? Dec 09 10:13:16 change your SUPL server to google instead of nokia Dec 09 10:14:35 so supl.google.com ? Dec 09 10:15:10 psycho_oreos: will you attend the barcamp tomorrow? Dec 09 10:15:22 lol Dec 09 10:15:25 soz... Dec 09 10:15:30 i got wrong person Dec 09 10:16:01 Chiku, yes Dec 09 10:18:21 thank psycho_oreos Dec 09 10:18:31 do you use ovi maps ? Dec 09 10:18:50 hum I don't see the red dot on ovi maps Dec 09 10:19:30 Chiku, every now and then, my ovi maps setup is screwed up right now however Dec 09 10:20:16 what happened to supl.nokia.com ? Dec 09 10:21:39 its not reliable, period Dec 09 10:22:20 and this isn't official nokia support, if you want official nokia support you might want to try their own forums... something like nokia forums or whatever Dec 09 10:25:07 it was working without supl, at all, yesterday for me Dec 09 10:26:29 Chiku: you are better off with something like mappero Dec 09 10:27:51 ShadowJK: back when all where complaining I had to say WFM, it did get a fix within minutes without network and in seconds with... Dec 09 10:28:19 Chiku: change the supl if it need be Dec 09 10:28:57 ok let's try it Dec 09 10:29:32 without gps hardware ? how does it work? Dec 09 10:29:43 it has its own internal GPS Dec 09 10:30:39 I can tell you without internal GPS being used to get the initial lock, there's almost zero chance of getting a lock under a roof of a solid house with no wifi, GSM or bluetooth connectivity Dec 09 10:31:08 now it probably wouldn't even matter if you changed the SUPL server back to nokia after getting the initial lock with google Dec 09 10:33:06 psycho_oreos: it doesn't matter Dec 09 10:33:40 once you got a fix you got the right caches Dec 09 10:34:00 chem|st, *sigh* and my point was? Dec 09 10:34:29 problem here on 3G is, the antenna is 300km away in supl.nokia.com^^ Dec 09 10:34:37 now it probably wouldn't even matter if you changed the SUPL server back to nokia after getting the initial lock with google Dec 09 10:35:33 psycho_oreos: read again ;) "probably wouldn't even matter" and "doesn't matter" Dec 09 10:36:13 I was confirming your idea Dec 09 10:36:14 chem|st, more like you were initially disagreeing but whatever Dec 09 10:36:43 I shoudl have written a proper sentence sry Dec 09 10:38:33 the drivers from madde do not work for usbnet in win7 :( Dec 09 10:38:48 (for me) Dec 09 10:38:53 ... so use linux under vm.. win! Dec 09 10:39:58 i'll have a "real" usb wifi in a couple of days Dec 09 10:40:42 but needless to say, in the meantime linux is much more fun than win since my nets work Dec 09 10:40:50 ShadowJK: the usb plug came out, the usual :) Dec 09 10:41:15 ua there a remedy for worn out usb plug on n900? Dec 09 10:41:22 is Dec 09 10:41:56 i have to wrap the usb cable around it to get contact Dec 09 10:43:00 yeah, get it re-soldered before it actually falls out Dec 09 10:43:02 I am not really gentle with my device and have no problems... what are you guys doing with your usb cords while plugged in? Dec 09 10:43:20 hunt down cattle? Dec 09 10:43:48 i am using my n900 as a router Dec 09 10:44:09 lol chem|st :P Dec 09 10:44:11 so it is laying untouched somewhere? Dec 09 10:44:26 hardly Dec 09 10:44:33 elab. Dec 09 10:44:57 i have to poke on it pretty often to check if the wifi came up, crappy motel wifi Dec 09 10:45:35 dangergrrl: how? using usb hotspot the application? Dec 09 10:45:38 dangergrrl: you use it as wifi router? Dec 09 10:45:41 so what? my device is hanging off my desk while charging... Dec 09 10:45:43 or just use it over usb? Dec 09 10:46:00 use it as usb<->wifi router Dec 09 10:46:04 I usually connect it to my laptop over usb and route 3g like that :P Dec 09 10:46:05 it works Dec 09 10:46:06 kinda Dec 09 10:46:27 no gsm signal where i live Dec 09 10:46:30 dangergrrl: usb - wifi? are you seriouse?! Dec 09 10:46:38 chem|st: yeah Dec 09 10:46:39 you live in the middle of nowhere :P Dec 09 10:46:43 chem|st: why not? :/ Dec 09 10:46:51 chem|st: people do that, but I never success Dec 09 10:47:04 my site is upgrading to a T1 in a couple of weeks Dec 09 10:47:09 did it too like I said: connect to 3G with my n900 and connect it as network device over usb to my laptop Dec 09 10:47:15 I suspect the usb detaches sooner if you always unplug/plug it at an angle, or move it left/right or up/down when unplugging instead of straight out and in Dec 09 10:47:19 setup ip forwarding and done :) Dec 09 10:47:19 Gh0sty: all devices I hav which need internet have wifi or are that heavy that I do not take them with me in a motel Dec 09 10:47:44 i think we are stuck with carrier pigeons until then Dec 09 10:48:44 this device is quite heavy Dec 09 10:48:54 if the N900 was dropped onto a relatively hard surface whilst the USB plug is plugged in and it happens to hit on the connector bit, it can either break or weaken the connectors Dec 09 10:48:58 full tower pc Dec 09 10:49:00 "this device"? Dec 09 10:49:02 i live in the motel Dec 09 10:49:19 woow living in a motel :o Dec 09 10:49:20 ah Dec 09 10:49:28 that explains Dec 09 10:49:46 how about a $5 usb wifi? Dec 09 10:49:57 $750/mo pays all bills Dec 09 10:50:21 i ordered the $40 alfa 2000mw one Dec 09 10:50:30 be here by wednesday Dec 09 10:50:51 * ShadowJK used to rent a singleroom(+bath) for $250 a month, electricity,heat,water included Dec 09 10:50:52 9dbi antenna Dec 09 10:51:01 2000mw?! with that power I could support wifi to ahlf of my city.... Dec 09 10:51:16 ShadowJK, not in boulder county coloradp :P Dec 09 10:51:23 that's the theoretical maximum TX power Dec 09 10:51:24 chem|st; only if you could hear the distant stations Dec 09 10:51:26 -p+o Dec 09 10:51:55 ShadowJK: well would use the highest building and put it on top... Dec 09 10:52:00 alfa devices are not fitted with preamp RX, only for TX are they fitted with a preamp Dec 09 10:52:03 it is really pretty here Dec 09 10:52:49 http://stonemountainlodge.com/ Dec 09 10:53:22 but it's a tiny place in the edge of the mountains Dec 09 10:54:03 psycho_oreos, has to have more power than i am getting with the n900 Dec 09 10:54:49 i have to check for sunspot activity before i go online now Dec 09 10:55:00 dangergrrl, in theory it probably would but its not like you can make full use of the TX power if your windows has those stupid regulatory settings enforcd Dec 09 10:55:06 s/enforcd/enforced/ Dec 09 10:55:07 psycho_oreos meant: dangergrrl, in theory it probably would but its not like you can make full use of the TX power if your windows has those stupid regulatory settings enforced Dec 09 10:55:55 and again you can't really compare a directional wireless setup with an omni directional antenna setup.. it really varies A LOT Dec 09 10:57:29 so, could i run gentoo on my n900? :P Dec 09 10:57:48 luke does it Dec 09 10:57:54 it is a lark btw Dec 09 10:58:17 there's another bloke that runs gentoo on N900 as well, I can't quite remember his handle, definitely starts with s Dec 09 10:58:39 slonopotamus or something Dec 09 10:59:11 anyhow getting some connectivity in windows will be a plus, uninterrupted nets in linux would be win Dec 09 11:01:17 for the latter part, it might be theoretically possible with some scripts being placed on crontab Dec 09 11:01:38 woow $750 or $250 is cheap Dec 09 11:01:40 why not...just why the Raspberry Pi run everything, 1080P... want to make netbook on it. Dec 09 11:01:44 I pay 700 eur! :( Dec 09 11:02:34 Even Gamemaker is porting their platform for Raspberry Pi... Dec 09 11:04:47 Gh0sty, i just have a small room in the colorado foothills Dec 09 11:05:25 closest town is 2 miles, population 2000 including me Dec 09 11:07:04 Hi. I'm playing around with a spare N900. I am logged in via ssh and sometimes when I shut down system services etc. it happens that the device reboots. Where is that watchdog functionality implemented and how can I keep the N900 from resetting? Dec 09 11:07:18 dsme Dec 09 11:07:29 * Gh0sty google maps colorado foothills Dec 09 11:07:44 there's also a hardware watchdog, which hard resets device if software stops poking it Dec 09 11:08:11 ShadowJK: That means if I disable the service via dsmetool then it should be safe and no reboot should happen, right? Which software is poking the hardware watchdog? Dec 09 11:08:50 Gh0sty, i am on the funtoo usermap Dec 09 11:08:54 in Diablo it was called kicker Dec 09 11:08:59 not sure about fremantle Dec 09 11:09:09 i think within like 50ft Dec 09 11:09:37 ShadowJK: Ideally, I want to shutdown the whole graphical user interface. Dec 09 11:09:43 you know the n900 reboots at random when used as a router :( Dec 09 11:10:55 * ShadowJK vaguely remembers mobile hotspot people encountered a few kernel oops Dec 09 11:11:25 its not a true wifi hotspot mode, its more like adhoc Dec 09 11:11:37 sure Dec 09 11:12:08 cool between the mountains :) Dec 09 11:12:45 looking with google streetview I see here a sign "Stone mountain" Dec 09 11:18:04 it's amazingly beautiful when there is snow in the morning Dec 09 11:18:59 ShadowJK: That means if I disable the service via dsmetool then it should be safe and no reboot should happen, right? Which software is poking the hardware watchdog? Dec 09 11:19:00 yes Dec 09 11:19:09 dsmetool requests the reboot Dec 09 11:20:19 dangergrrl: is it possible to ski there? :p Dec 09 11:20:30 not a big fan of snow though :) Dec 09 11:20:36 to look at ... yes Dec 09 11:20:42 to go to work through it ... no :P Dec 09 11:20:58 MohammadAG: Thanks. Is there a way to disable dsmetool or the daemon in the background completely? Dec 09 11:20:59 right here? probably not, a few hundred feet up, yes Dec 09 11:21:36 we don't get much snow, ot is high plains desert Dec 09 11:21:38 R&D mode Dec 09 11:22:04 flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset Dec 09 11:22:06 whats temperatures there like right now? Dec 09 11:22:13 (i have no idea about climate in the US) Dec 09 11:22:59 the deep snow is in oregon and washington Dec 09 11:23:24 yeah heard about that Dec 09 11:23:39 probably have to go for work in the surroundings of washington in jan / feb Dec 09 11:23:43 that'll be fun ... :p Dec 09 11:24:27 redmond is cool and damp then Dec 09 11:24:37 like 5C and rain Dec 09 11:24:47 only been once to the us ... NY and boston end of may Dec 09 11:25:02 was pretty nice, not too hot Dec 09 11:25:29 MohammadAG: Thanks. I found http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode which explains this nicely as well. Ultimately, I want to hook some custom hardware the uSD slot of the N900. For development purposes, I want to unmount /home. Otherwise I cannot enable MMC debugging in the kernel because every access to /home will flood my debug output. Do you think this is achievable? Dec 09 11:26:13 I'm not sure if you can do that Dec 09 11:26:32 /opt lives under /home Dec 09 11:26:37 that has system themes/fonts etc Dec 09 11:27:28 you can probably edit the rootfs.jffs2 image to remove the script that moves items from / to /opt on first boot Dec 09 11:27:44 then reflash that image Dec 09 11:27:51 and then you can probably unmount /home Dec 09 11:27:58 can you lock things in RAM and guarantee hard real time? Dec 09 11:28:13 or just force umount and hope for the best Dec 09 11:28:29 I forced a unmount of / once Dec 09 11:28:39 system worked well till I closed an app Dec 09 11:28:48 MohammadAG: With "first boot" do you mean reboot or really the first boot of a fresh system? Dec 09 11:28:56 latter Dec 09 11:29:25 from PR1.2 onwards, there's a script that moves and symlinks system files Dec 09 11:30:12 optification? Dec 09 11:30:41 maemo-optify-runounce is the name I think Dec 09 11:30:41 lemme check Dec 09 11:31:12 Or can I just move back /home/opt/ to / now? Dec 09 11:31:34 well, yeah, you can probably do tha Dec 09 11:31:55 sec Dec 09 11:32:53 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/501fbd29545a41d9e89e7728474c8e19994db4ed/maemo-optify-runonce.sh Dec 09 11:32:55 that's the script Dec 09 11:37:21 MohammadAG: Hm, these Qt libraries in /opt/lib are huge. Dec 09 11:38:22 ask yourself Dec 09 11:38:22 do you need Qt libraries while debugging? Dec 09 11:39:12 MohammadAG: Will a stock PR1.3 system come up without them? Dec 09 11:39:20 any of you guys played with JP regdom? Dec 09 11:43:54 MohammadAG: Perhaps it's easier if I just compile in g_ether into the kernel and then let the device boot from a NFS root. Dec 09 11:48:43 mihu, yes, it should Dec 09 11:48:43 Qt libraries aren't used in the main UI framework or during boot up Dec 09 11:49:40 no. not them.. works Dec 09 11:50:03 hmm, wrong window. apologies Dec 09 11:54:46 MohammadAG: I don't want to change the system too much, because after initial bring-up, I want to go back to it. So I will try rootfs via NFS first. Dec 09 11:57:34 psycho_oreos: it is not real JP REG DOM...no channel 14. Dec 09 12:01:36 vi_, and heh it seems to make my N900 reboot when associated to my AP for a few moments Dec 09 12:09:53 psycho_oreos: just set it to europran reg dom. It is the same. Dec 09 12:10:01 ^european Dec 09 12:11:10 vi_, yeah its set to EU by default Dec 09 12:11:24 I was merely testing JP for curious purposes Dec 09 12:13:17 on most AP it allows use of channel 14. JP being the only country in the world to allow it. Dec 09 12:14:04 The benefit of 14 is it is a whole 2 channel widths away from 13 (instead of the usual 1) meaning there is less interferance from neighbouring channels. Dec 09 12:14:09 you meant they forbade the use of channel 14 :) Dec 09 12:14:42 well JP does allow the use of channel 14, which is true, but yes I was tinkering around with regdom following knownokia.ca site Dec 09 12:14:57 also people outside JP generally dont have it in use meaning you have a whole channel to yourself with no side interferance. Dec 09 12:15:09 ah, hawaii's blog Dec 09 12:15:19 there is some good shit on there. Dec 09 12:16:00 yup :) Dec 09 12:16:19 hawaii's blog? I didn't know that belonged to him Dec 09 12:16:43 i thought even in jp, only 11b was allowed on 14 Dec 09 12:17:02 ShadowJK: perhaps. Dec 09 12:17:29 ShadowJK: perhaps that is why only upto 13 is available on n900 with jp reg dom. Dec 09 12:17:41 as it is in mixed mode by default. Dec 09 12:17:57 we need somone to investigate... Dec 09 12:18:02 psycho_oreos: I choose you! Dec 09 12:20:15 lol why me? :þ I got enough projects as it is Dec 09 12:21:28 I was only choosing. like a blastoise. Dec 09 12:47:42 MohammadAG: Do you know what the sti-console flag does in R&D mode? I could not find an explanation. Dec 09 12:58:27 mihu, serial console Dec 09 12:59:20 MohammadAG: there is another flag called serial-console. Do you know the difference? Dec 09 12:59:38 MohammadAG: I want to connect to the serial port below the battery. Dec 09 13:00:22 hmm, no idea then Dec 09 13:00:23 ask jacekowski Dec 09 13:22:29 MohammadAG: Ok, thanks. Not so important now. Hm, my system keeps bind-mounting /home/opt/ to /opt. fstab is "autogenerated". Do you know how the bind-mounting is done on boot and where? I haven't found it yet. Dec 09 13:24:20 any reversing experts? Dec 09 13:24:22 mihu, check /etc/rcS* Dec 09 13:24:36 I have a wireshark capture Dec 09 13:24:48 of whatsapp logging in, not sure I can figure it all out Dec 09 13:25:48 I think it would be easier to reverse engineer the binary than to try and figure it out from the network protocol Dec 09 13:26:32 MohammadAG: Found it. It wasn't in /etc/rcS, but /usr/lib/genfstab.awk creates it. Dec 09 13:26:56 jonwil, want the binary? :P Dec 09 13:27:16 for which platform? I think the Android APK is the easiest to reverse engineer Dec 09 13:28:06 I have that Dec 09 13:28:19 but the .java files are compiled into dex(?) Dec 09 13:28:37 there are decompilers for that Dec 09 13:30:54 currently running the apk file from their website through http://www.apkdecompile.com/ Dec 09 13:30:59 see what comes out Dec 09 13:32:23 if only there was an easy way to figure out the encrypted osso-backup format... Dec 09 13:34:15 cool Dec 09 13:34:16 the only thing I know is usernames are phonenumber@whatsapp.com Dec 09 13:34:16 mine is 97254.......@whatsapp.com Dec 09 13:35:05 ok, its decompiled Dec 09 13:37:32 hmmm, its too obfusicated to be of help Dec 09 13:37:35 which is what I suspected Dec 09 13:40:10 are you guys trying to get msg to whatsapp from outside or implement a client for maemo? Dec 09 13:40:39 the license note keeps me telling people to not use it Dec 09 14:12:27 hey guys. anyone know where flash vids reside on rootfs when being played via MicroB? I looked in /tmp and 'ps aux|grep flash' ('/proc/#/fd/Flashxx' trick) and both came up empty Dec 09 14:22:02 jonwil, so? :P Dec 09 14:22:12 want the iOS binary? Dec 09 14:25:55 noper Dec 09 14:25:57 that wont help Dec 09 14:26:02 I know nothing about ios Dec 09 14:26:24 it's OBJ-C Dec 09 14:26:39 I know nothing about objective C either Dec 09 14:26:46 it's a superset of C Dec 09 14:27:06 None of the tools I have are any use at reverse engineering IOS binaries Dec 09 14:28:33 and I have no real interest in that WhatsApp crap anyway :P Dec 09 14:29:00 XMPP/AsyncSocket.m Dec 09 14:29:32 XMPP/XMPPConnection.m Dec 09 14:30:47 XMPP/XMPPDigestAuthentication.m Dec 09 14:36:21 I just need the password Dec 09 14:36:30 gonna try looking at the android config/data files Dec 09 14:36:43 Might have another crack at the osso-backup format Dec 09 14:36:43 okay odd situatuation, my sister claims her n900 suddenly started to ask for lock code, best way to recover? Dec 09 14:37:41 suddenly? Dec 09 14:38:07 like, when she's using it it asks for a lock code, or was the code request interval set to off and it still asked for a lock code? Dec 09 14:38:39 as in there never was a lockcode, she laid it aside and when unlocking the screen as usually it asked for one Dec 09 14:38:40 if it's the former, it's probably mce segfaulting/restarting for some reason Dec 09 14:38:40 ask her if the keyboard lights flicker right before it asks for the code Dec 09 14:38:51 12345? Dec 09 14:39:11 does it have ssh? if so, fire an unlock signal Dec 09 14:39:27 afaik it doesn't Dec 09 14:39:37 what would the unlock signal be? oO Dec 09 14:39:47 some dbus line Dec 09 14:39:48 sec Dec 09 14:40:43 dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_close string:'com.nokia.mce' string:'/com/nokia/mce/request' string:'com.nokia.mce.request' string:'devlock_callback' uint32:'0' Dec 09 14:40:55 the reason Aegis's mce::devLock cap is denied Dec 09 14:41:33 damn i want n900 myself Dec 09 14:41:43 well no ssh, and 12345 isn't working either Dec 09 14:42:07 string the mtd block? Dec 09 14:42:16 yep, but how? Dec 09 14:42:28 since it ofc asks for lock code on bootup Dec 09 14:42:29 MeeGo rescue initrd Dec 09 14:42:35 okay Dec 09 14:42:38 this is going to be fun :D Dec 09 14:42:45 just an FYI Dec 09 14:42:48 make sure there's no ssh Dec 09 14:42:58 since once you reboot, you're not going to have wifi Dec 09 14:43:09 don't have wifi anyway Dec 09 14:43:10 :D Dec 09 14:43:13 lol Dec 09 14:43:19 oh and another thing Dec 09 14:43:29 if you can get hildon-desktop to crash the lock code dialog won't be modal anymore Dec 09 14:43:49 router here sucks ass, so need to disable power save in order to have proper wireless Dec 09 14:44:03 so don't have it on autoconnect Dec 09 14:44:15 well I'll have to try the meego rescue initrd Dec 09 14:46:55 if that doesn't work meego will for sure Dec 09 14:46:55 just hope the cal parition isn't corrupt Dec 09 14:47:39 is there a fiasco for the latest n900 pr btw? Dec 09 14:49:05 does meego work on an n900 Dec 09 14:49:27 javispedro, yes, on navifirm Dec 09 14:49:33 hrmpf Dec 09 14:49:36 I'm not sure if X-Fade can add it under tablets-dev Dec 09 14:50:04 javispedro: why do you need a fiasco for the latest n900pr? Dec 09 14:50:09 it's 4 packages to update Dec 09 14:50:15 like 5 mb or something Dec 09 14:50:24 fiasco images are prelinked Dec 09 14:50:35 (or at least, that's what they told me...) Dec 09 14:50:47 "prelinked" ? Dec 09 14:50:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelink Dec 09 14:53:25 so you'll have the maemo certificates applet start faster, big whoop :p Dec 09 14:53:28 note that at most it will provide a subsecond enhacement on a very limited set of binaries, so it's not usually worth it, but since I'm reflashing Dec 09 14:53:49 MohammadAG: and the browser! =) Dec 09 14:54:13 why? Dec 09 14:54:46 it probably links with certman Dec 09 14:57:12 nah Dec 09 15:02:06 MohammadAG: Finally I was successful. I moved /home/opt to /opt2 and /home/user to /home2/user and mount-binded these together. After modifying usr/lib/genfstab.awk and especially /etc/event.d/rcS-late, all partitions from eMMC can be unmounted after boot. The MMC driver and subsystem can be unloaded. Thank you very much for your help. Dec 09 15:11:09 mihu, you're welcome :D Dec 09 15:11:21 jonwil, phonenumber@s.whatsapp.com Dec 09 15:22:41 hi merlin1991 Dec 09 15:31:19 timeless_xchat: I'll look into it today Dec 09 15:49:32 after update speedpatch and battery patch today i was unable to change clock of CPU locked on 500 mhz. Any fix Dec 09 15:49:36 please Dec 09 16:33:02 timeless_xchat: long time no see Dec 09 16:49:40 hey guys Dec 09 16:50:42 broken record here, anyone know where flash files are hidden on rootfs while being played by MicroB? Dec 09 16:51:31 funny, the n950 never showed the name of my carrier, but the n900 does Dec 09 16:51:39 (both showed the name of my old carrier) Dec 09 16:52:07 ah... so nice to use a resistive screen again Dec 09 17:02:37 cannot really believe that on the n900 ovi store the word "beta" still appears. Dec 09 17:16:30 poor javispedro Dec 09 17:16:54 Harmattan withdrawal symptoms, they caused me to buy an iDevice, or two Dec 09 18:02:27 Can I change the outline/border color of desktop command execution widgets? I have noticed that it changes as I change the theme, but I am not sure how to change it on its own. Dec 09 18:20:48 ([2011-12-09 16:45:11] after update speedpatch and battery patch today...) aren't that those considered-placebo-with-a-bit-of-toxic-shit voodoo-based N900 "improvement" packages? Dec 09 18:22:29 DocScrutinizer: :) Dec 09 18:23:23 placebo? nice definition Dec 09 18:23:55 well, I tried hard not to sound too offensive Dec 09 18:24:22 my private definition of those is using more harsh terms Dec 09 18:24:34 well this is new light on this issue Dec 09 18:26:25 A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. Dec 09 18:27:02 scoobertron: not sure about dcew, but in queenBeecon you can configure each single pixel, for each minute of the day ;-D Dec 09 19:35:14 is there an easy way to read out detailed call log? Dec 09 19:49:47 Seriously, Web OS is going to be Open Source Community project! http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html? Dec 09 20:34:18 hello everyone! greetings from brasil Dec 09 20:35:40 i'm new with my n900 but i saw a thousand good stuffs to do with it, so i´d like some help to start it from zero and help everyone who needs help and i can do tests for you guys cause i love to do it Dec 09 20:36:22 hey all Dec 09 20:36:53 welcome #raecarruth Dec 09 20:37:20 thanks Dec 09 20:37:42 i am new here and would like to join to this maemo testing Dec 09 20:38:03 you mean the repository? Dec 09 20:38:40 no sorry, i´d like to join in testing stuffs, apps and more you know;? Dec 09 20:38:50 ah Dec 09 20:39:01 iunno anything about that Dec 09 20:39:08 wh86: u may want to join #maemo-ssu, read up on the /topic , and choose your flavor :) Dec 09 20:39:08 to developers news, i can test it without fear Dec 09 20:39:28 Thanks #Sicelo Dec 09 20:40:08 even if i am new with linux and n900? Dec 09 20:41:12 well, linux would help, but that's not bad. u can learn as u go :) Dec 09 20:41:26 wh86: find your path to learn whatever you need, nothing tagged "have-to" if you want nothing. Dec 09 20:43:03 thanks again Sicelo, i'm gonna check it out and start to do tutorials for newbies is that fine? Dec 09 20:43:35 guys, is there a plugin or a means of creating one conversation stream per contact regardless of whether it's a cell number/gtalk/skype? Dec 09 20:44:15 yw. check out wiki.maemo.org .. good stuff for beginners, intermediate and more experienced users. Dec 09 20:44:34 wh86: i learned at lesat 80% of my linux right here :) Dec 09 20:46:12 wow , so i´ll make the video tutorials and then i put the links here if it is possible (sorry for my english, i am brazilian, not usually type in english, more conversation) Dec 09 20:46:50 nice. i'm african Dec 09 20:47:05 where in africa Sicelo? Dec 09 20:47:16 RaeCarruth: i dunno. none that i've heard of Dec 09 20:47:26 Swaziland :) Dec 09 20:47:31 nice Dec 09 20:47:55 good! so we could keep an easy talk Dec 09 20:47:55 u know it? (not many do, heh) Dec 09 20:48:13 surrounded by SA Dec 09 20:48:39 indeed, and Mozambique towards the east Dec 09 20:57:45 hello Dec 09 20:57:50 lol Dec 09 20:58:43 heh, what's up? Dec 09 20:59:29 hello Dec 09 20:59:43 lol? Dec 09 20:59:52 Yar Dec 09 21:00:05 I amwriting an espeak to irc Dec 09 21:00:06 heh Dec 09 21:00:19 haha Dec 09 21:00:21 irc to espeak actually Dec 09 21:00:28 *nod* Dec 09 21:00:45 it uses your user name to generate a unique voice. Dec 09 21:01:11 so the irc conversation is spoken in different, yet consistent voices Dec 09 21:01:25 heh i didnt even know it could do that... Dec 09 21:01:30 you sound like a woman. Dec 09 21:01:34 hahaha Dec 09 21:02:06 you can pipe any old shite from stdout to espeak. Dec 09 21:03:31 yeah and how do you change the voice? Dec 09 21:04:13 hello Dec 09 21:05:18 lol Dec 09 21:06:18 lol Dec 09 21:08:08 lol Dec 09 21:08:59 user___: Why do you use this channel to test? Dec 09 21:09:25 it's kinda annoying . Dec 09 21:09:58 sorry bro, i will stop interrupting your precious silence. Dec 09 21:12:10 user___: hey, fu Dec 09 21:36:07 lol Dec 09 21:36:10 If a particular program or Windows 7 experience requires a higher score than your base score, you can upgrade your hardware to meet the necessary base score. Dec 09 21:36:18 i wonder how much they paid MS for that one :) Dec 09 21:47:45 Macer: especially as I cannot get higher scores... my 8core 48GBram nvidia quadro6000 workstation with lowlatency HDD has the same score as my gaming pc... Dec 09 21:59:52 lol Dec 09 22:00:07 all my scores were about 6.9 .. but the hard drive is 5.6 Dec 09 22:00:15 so according to MS i can't play 3d games ;) Dec 09 22:00:34 A computer with a base score of 6.0 or 7.0 has a faster hard disk, and can support high-end, graphics-intensive experiences, such as multiplayer and 3.D gaming and recording and playback of HDTV content Dec 09 22:00:43 oh yeah. can't play high def videos either ;) Dec 09 22:01:28 does ms actually forbid doing these things then or is that score just `adivsory'? Dec 09 22:01:54 advisory ;) Dec 09 22:02:04 but i swear they need to fire whoever writes this stuff Dec 09 22:02:14 marketing.... Dec 09 22:02:26 oh of course Dec 09 22:02:38 but my 5.6 scored hard drive plays rage just fine ;) Dec 09 22:02:51 i think the nvidia gt 240 is probably a little more important than hard drive speed Dec 09 22:03:16 same silliness as why most notbooks come with glossy screens, marketing said `it looks better in the shops'... Dec 09 22:03:20 which really isn't that strong of a card anymore but can still hold its own.. especially with cuda Dec 09 22:03:27 for some reason that WEI picks up one of my storage drives instead of the vertex3 SSD to benchmark as harddrive... Dec 09 22:03:55 frals: then no 3D gaming for you! slow hard drive! :) Dec 09 22:04:08 nox-: it would be great if they really did forbid you from playing the game Dec 09 22:04:15 haha Dec 09 22:04:42 i guess windows does not allow the aero desktop if your gfx is 2 or less or something like that Dec 09 22:04:49 so in a way it forbids itself from doing stuff Dec 09 22:23:50 am i the only one who finds it sad ms uses flash for their media center instead of silverlight? Dec 09 22:24:05 :) Dec 09 23:06:17 webOS is being opensourced... chances of a merge? Dec 09 23:25:46 merge to what? Dec 10 01:32:33 hello, is it safe to remove app manager? Dec 10 01:32:41 I like to use apt-get instead Dec 10 01:32:57 good idea Dec 10 01:33:36 LaoLang_cool: nope Dec 10 01:33:41 LaoLang_cool: just use apt-get Dec 10 01:33:46 (no ideaif it's safe... i'd hope so, but...) Dec 10 01:33:49 LaoLang_cool: but leave ham there Dec 10 01:35:12 jacekowski: the reason I want to remove it is that it always tries to update the db when connect to the internet, thought I know there's a way to set the update interval to larger value Dec 10 01:35:36 jacekowski: why is it unsafe, any reason? Dec 10 01:36:30 yeah, dependencies Dec 10 01:36:34 i think he just means it's an unnecessary risk Dec 10 01:37:01 oh, got it Dec 10 01:37:02 thanks Dec 10 01:37:14 Some things can't be installed by apt-get too Dec 10 01:37:16 but most things can Dec 10 01:37:28 any xterm alternative? Dec 10 01:37:36 the startup time of xterm is a little slow Dec 10 01:37:48 want to find a faster one Dec 10 01:38:42 I always have two open, and screen in one of them Dec 10 01:39:31 rxvt is faster ;) Dec 10 01:39:49 port it... Dec 10 01:40:05 ShadowJK: always openning will waste system resource, so shorten the battery time Dec 10 01:40:46 LaoLang_cool: you ever came across the thought that the behaviour might be adjustable without removing HAM all tohether? Dec 10 01:40:57 It'll only eat into battery life if you have something running in them that does frequent (every 5s or so) updates Dec 10 01:41:35 an xterm with just a sh prompt will not have any impact on battery life Dec 10 01:41:47 DocScrutinizer: what do you mean? Dec 10 01:42:00 ShadowJK: ahh, got it Dec 10 01:43:07 DocScrutinizer, he did Dec 10 01:43:09 I mean you could easily find how to make HAM check for updates once every 27 years Dec 10 01:43:23 DocScrutinizer: yes, I know the way Dec 10 01:43:40 I don't like the way though.. Dec 10 01:50:43 well, maemo won't like your way ;-) Dec 10 01:52:00 DocScrutinizer: O_o, I think the logic way is to disable/enable, not to expand the interval time to check for update Dec 10 01:53:17 alas HAM has no such switch, but is a valid operand in programming logic Dec 10 01:53:52 uninstalling HAM otoh will most likely not result in a "logic" system config Dec 10 01:54:22 DocScrutinizer: remove it isn't logic too, yes... Dec 10 01:54:41 and - just as I haven't said it for at least 3 days - apt-get dist-upgrade is *deprecated* Dec 10 01:55:06 even apt-get upgrade is deprecated Dec 10 01:55:16 I haven't used it ever, I use apt-get upgrade Dec 10 01:55:18 oh! Dec 10 01:55:46 Which is the way? Dec 10 01:56:01 app manager? I like cli... Dec 10 02:03:03 well, when you like cli so much, then it will be mere fun for you to do by hand *all* that HAM does automatically for you, like hiding certain packages from upgrade, stopping certain system services (basically change runlevel), display changelogs, run notifications and requesters to inform you about cetain facts (like "you won't even be able to do 911 calls during that...") :-D Dec 10 02:09:41 “webOS is the only platform designed from the ground up to be mobile, cloud-connected and scalable,” Dec 10 02:09:44 lol Dec 10 02:10:16 Is webos now going open-source properly? Dec 10 02:10:20 I mussed the announg Dec 10 02:10:33 somebody send them a cake for open sourcing it, with a big maemo.org logo on it, with the caption "WE WERE HERE FIRST, BITCHES!" Dec 10 02:10:58 @SpeedEvil , apparently, they're going open the Maemo way Dec 10 02:11:24 community managment, community development, HP maybe making more devices, etc. Dec 10 02:11:58 haha Dec 10 02:13:53 tbh I don't care much about a cloud centric OS, no matter how opensourced it might be Dec 10 02:14:38 and the FSO guys sweared a lot about webOS IIRC Dec 10 02:14:44 Doc -- webos isn't that cloud-centric Dec 10 02:14:57 it's as integrated as Maemo 5 is Dec 10 02:15:02 when porting SHR Dec 10 02:15:20 only that they took a different approach to doing it -- it works like a phone Dec 10 02:15:32 cards, for example, instead of M5's window list Dec 10 02:16:05 yeah, a lot of nonsense Dec 10 02:16:26 then the fullscreen list views (see the settings app) compared to m5's windows (see maemo's settings) Dec 10 02:16:56 btw doc, apparently the GTA04 is going into mass production Dec 10 02:17:15 for whatever metrics of MP Dec 10 02:17:31 current batch is about 150 iirc Dec 10 02:18:19 I'm digging thru 20..30 mails of internal devel list every day Dec 10 02:18:33 the hardware doesn't suck hard anymore apparently, but it's still missing a hardware keyboard (it has a serial line though) Dec 10 02:18:57 well, if you want a WLAN powered egg cooker, it actually doesn't suck ;-D Dec 10 02:19:38 currently we're frying the wlan chip for 5m range Dec 10 02:20:08 :o Dec 10 02:20:13 after 1h it gets critical for the hw Dec 10 02:20:36 minor hw problems :-) Dec 10 02:21:10 audio section is an inferior copy of GTA02 ATM Dec 10 02:21:50 I'm already holding bets how loud the buzz will be Dec 10 02:22:34 holy crap, GTA04 board is 666GBP Dec 10 02:23:24 whoops, apparently euros Dec 10 02:23:31 SoCs are expensive when not bought in qty Dec 10 02:23:45 but still, that's expensive, considering my GTA02 was US$200 Dec 10 02:23:49 so is stoarge Dec 10 02:24:16 200US$ was kinda subsidized I'd say Dec 10 02:24:42 yeah, it was a second-hand one with a few scuff marks Dec 10 02:25:14 i have no idea what to do with it atm, all the OSes for it except debian suck Dec 10 02:26:19 might try to use the latest shr sometime **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 10 02:59:56 2011