**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 13 02:59:57 2011
Dec 13 05:27:21 <slonopotamus> anyone still maintains community patches to diablo kernel?
Dec 13 06:33:25 <mintux> what is last version of maemo ?
Dec 13 06:39:40 <luke-jr> #Harmatta
Dec 13 06:39:41 <luke-jr> #Harmattan
Dec 13 06:40:24 <mintux> is it meego?
Dec 13 06:40:51 <mintux> im in this page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
Dec 13 06:44:24 <dm8tbr> mintux: it's maemo, marketing calls it meego
Dec 13 06:44:45 <mintux> hmm means all tools on maemo is active ?
Dec 13 06:44:52 <mintux> where can I download it?
Dec 13 06:45:18 <luke-jr> mintux: it's not available for N900, and you need to prove you own N9 to download
Dec 13 06:45:46 <mintux> hmm so what last version of meamo for n900
Dec 13 06:45:48 <mintux> ?
Dec 13 06:45:59 <dm8tbr> pr1.3
Dec 13 06:46:14 <mintux> in wikipedia is 21.2011.38-1
Dec 13 06:46:33 <mintux> but in download page http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php we have PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2
Dec 13 06:47:24 <mintux> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo
Dec 13 06:47:56 <dm8tbr> that is CSSU what they mention on WP
Dec 13 06:48:08 <dm8tbr> at least I guess it is
Dec 13 06:48:12 <dm8tbr> no idea
Dec 13 06:49:29 <mintux> means is it good to install or not?
Dec 13 06:50:52 <mintux> is it for test and under develop ?
Dec 13 06:53:10 <luke-jr> mintux: Nokia has left N900 out to die, unfinished
Dec 13 06:54:27 <mintux> it's awful 
Dec 13 06:56:37 <mintux> where can I find that image ?
Dec 13 07:04:42 <villager> dm8tbr: no, it's not cssu... pr1.3.1 was released by nokia, but only really contained a security fix, not much else
Dec 13 07:05:52 <hiemanshu> security fix = removing the compromised certificate which CSSU already did
Dec 13 07:06:28 <villager> yes that fix was also integrated into cssu
Dec 13 07:07:19 <villager> a few days later I think
Dec 13 07:10:28 <villager> or was it just the compatibility with pr1.3.1 that was fixed a few days later? hmm
Dec 13 07:12:26 <Sicelo> mintux: 21.2011.38-1 is not a flashable image. u flash 20.2010.36.2, the update to the former. it just update 3 or 4 packages
Dec 13 07:12:42 <mintux> hmm
Dec 13 07:13:23 <luke-jr> oh wow
Dec 13 07:13:37 <luke-jr> so it looks like Maemo's udev *does* work without SYSFS_DEPRECATED after all(!)
Dec 13 07:13:49 <mintux> how about nitroid on n900 is it good ?
Dec 13 07:13:54 <luke-jr> mintux: LOL
Dec 13 07:14:00 <mintux> ans stable ?
Dec 13 07:15:36 <Sicelo> not recommended, at least here. highly likely to result in a need to reflash. well, others use it
Dec 13 07:16:02 <mintux> can we have both of them together ?
Dec 13 07:16:45 <Sicelo> u boot one or the other. nitdroid is not chroot like easy debian
Dec 13 07:17:13 <Sicelo> btw, anyone knows how i can check which dns servers my N900 uses?
Dec 13 07:19:02 <Sicelo>  /etc/resolv.conf remains 127.0.0.1. iirc that's because of avahi. 
Dec 13 07:23:04 <villager> Sicelo: it's using dnsmasq I think... which forwards to the active interface's resolv.conf in /var/run
Dec 13 07:23:07 <Sicelo> dnsmasq rather
Dec 13 07:23:13 <Sicelo> ah, yes :)
Dec 13 07:24:17 <Sicelo> thanks villager. got it
Dec 13 07:46:27 <SpeedEvil> Wacky.
Dec 13 07:46:36 <SpeedEvil> Youtube is sending me incorrect checksums on video
Dec 13 11:12:42 <vdv> hi all
Dec 13 11:13:02 <andre__> yo.
Dec 13 11:13:09 <vdv> is there any app to create groups in application menu? or can be that done without any additional app?
Dec 13 11:13:59 <andre__> Catorise
Dec 13 11:14:09 <andre__> or read http://wiki.maemo.org/Application_menu :)
Dec 13 11:16:31 <vdv> ahh, good
Dec 13 11:16:35 <vdv> andre__, thanks :)
Dec 13 11:17:49 <andre__> np
Dec 13 11:23:41 <vdv> is catorise better than apmefo?
Dec 13 11:36:43 <vi__> vdv: they are both shit.
Dec 13 11:37:04 <vi__> Just create folders using the native xml menu layout thing.
Dec 13 11:37:43 <godtrunks> Hy, i have a problem with my n900
Dec 13 11:38:03 <godtrunks> I cannot install or uninstall a program
Dec 13 11:38:11 <godtrunks> What should i do?
Dec 13 11:38:11 <vdv> vi__, ok, thanks :)
Dec 13 11:39:24 <godtrunks> And i have also this error
Dec 13 11:39:27 <godtrunks> /home/user # apt-get remove firefox
Dec 13 11:39:27 <godtrunks> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. 
Dec 13 11:39:40 <godtrunks> What should i do?
Dec 13 11:40:38 <godtrunks> And on that command
Dec 13 11:40:44 <godtrunks> I have this error
Dec 13 11:40:46 <godtrunks> dpkg: unable to open/create status database lockfile: No space left on device
Dec 13 11:41:04 <godtrunks> Can anyone help me?
Dec 13 11:42:00 <neal> apt-cache clean
Dec 13 11:42:10 <neal> if that fails, you can try: rm -rf /
Dec 13 11:42:19 <ekze> :D
Dec 13 11:42:56 <godtrunks> Not working
Dec 13 11:42:58 <godtrunks> /home/user # apt-cache clean
Dec 13 11:42:58 <godtrunks> E: Invalid operation clean
Dec 13 11:43:48 <neal> I meant apt-get clean
Dec 13 11:43:50 <neal> sorry
Dec 13 12:20:51 <vdv> after editing hildon.menu how can refresh application menu, so that i saw changes?
Dec 13 12:25:12 <vi__> restart hildon-desktop
Dec 13 12:25:15 <vi__> or somthing
Dec 13 12:25:20 <vi__> lol, i dunno
Dec 13 12:25:22 <vi__> reboot
Dec 13 12:46:56 <drj_cro> hi. i have problem with omweather. it doesn't update anymore from weather.com 
Dec 13 13:12:24 <ruskie> drj_cro, that would be due to weather.com changing things recently
Dec 13 13:12:35 <ruskie> and basically breaking anyone using them as the datasource on any system really
Dec 13 13:12:39 <ruskie> xbmc had the same issue
Dec 13 13:14:58 <drj_cro> ruskie: thnx
Dec 13 13:15:23 <ruskie> and from what I gathered they changed the terms of use as well
Dec 13 14:22:07 <DocScrutinizer51> dang, gfx core fsckd up? dialer randomly created black rows and cols of keys on pressing a key
Dec 13 14:22:36 <DocScrutinizer51> rewboot fixed it, but it's annoying anyway, first time I seen this
Dec 13 16:38:51 <luke-jr> whee, Gentoo booting successful with udev 164 :D
Dec 13 16:52:05 <FireFly> Am I missing something, or is it impossible to have top bar with hildon-status-menu etc visible while MicroB is in portrait mode?
Dec 13 17:00:47 <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: could I somehow deactivate the global X-closechan button lower left in xchat?
Dec 13 17:01:08 <DocScrutinizer51> it's a friggin annoyance
Dec 13 18:05:46 <Pali> Open source tool for cold-flashing RX51 is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840
Dec 13 18:08:16 <luke-jr> Pali: replied
Dec 13 18:09:10 <slonopotamus> nice
Dec 13 18:09:54 <Pali> luke-jr: answer on TMO
Dec 13 18:10:29 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: you don't boot Gentoo N900 yet, right?
Dec 13 18:11:23 <Pali> see my post on TMO: my program has one problem: flasher send 8bytes which is different for other NOLO versions
Dec 13 18:11:36 <Pali> and I do not know how to genreate that 8bytes
Dec 13 18:12:32 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: no plans to
Dec 13 18:12:45 <Pali> ping DocScrutinizer
Dec 13 18:13:24 <Pali> see ^^^^^
Dec 13 18:16:51 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: we've got one more follower (Domikik Komzik) though i dunno who is it
Dec 13 18:16:56 <slonopotamus> *Dominik
Dec 13 18:25:28 <luke-jr> w00t, KDE 4.6 running
Dec 13 18:27:07 <slonopotamus> wanna test my arm assembly patch that deals with armv6 cpu cache? :P
Dec 13 18:27:40 <luke-jr> eh?
Dec 13 18:28:09 <slonopotamus> glibc >= 2.12 makes oops on diablo kernel
Dec 13 18:28:37 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: this is N900/fremantle-power
Dec 13 18:28:43 <slonopotamus> meh
Dec 13 18:28:47 <slonopotamus> this is #maemo
Dec 13 18:30:11 <luke-jr> …
Dec 13 18:30:17 <luke-jr> Fremantle is Maemo
Dec 13 18:30:20 <luke-jr> :p
Dec 13 18:31:08 <slonopotamus> maemo is dead. fremantle isn't 100% dead. whence, fremantle isn't maemo.
Dec 13 18:32:13 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: i managed to get banned on #mer :)
Dec 13 18:32:17 <luke-jr> O.o
Dec 13 18:32:59 <jaska> would mer development environment be called merde?
Dec 13 18:34:04 <luke-jr> … why does KDE netbook mode only allow 1 app at a time
Dec 13 18:34:13 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: stskeeps was very nervous when someone discussed ugliness of obs.
Dec 13 18:43:36 <kerio> luke-jr: because why would you need more? /s
Dec 13 18:43:48 <kerio> users don't know how to manage apps!
Dec 13 20:38:22 <Sicelo> hmm, i've asked here a number of times how to use the blue keys for Easy Debian.. such as the numbers
Dec 13 20:39:02 <Sicelo> just now i notice that if i run the applications via `debbie', i have no issues at all
Dec 13 21:13:48 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: hmm, charger script doesn't want to stop at 100%… any ideas? XD
Dec 13 21:35:06 <DocScrutinizer51> luke-jr: what does it do? charge to 120%?
Dec 13 21:37:37 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer51: no, just keeps "CHARGING" at 100% and says not full :/
Dec 13 21:37:55 <luke-jr> IIRC, keeping these batteries at 100% constantly damages them
Dec 13 21:38:28 <DocScrutinizer51> well, that's exactly what bme does though
Dec 13 21:38:39 <DocScrutinizer51> not though the script
Dec 13 21:38:53 <DocScrutinizer51> it will eventually finish
Dec 13 21:39:36 <luke-jr> hmm, it's been a few hours already…
Dec 13 21:39:39 <DocScrutinizer51> unless you constantly consume a lot of power for system
Dec 13 21:40:27 <luke-jr> it's basically idle for now
Dec 13 21:40:57 <pfavr> Is it possible to suppress notification messages (e.g. receiving SMSes)?
Dec 13 21:41:31 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, no screen, no wlan, no constant GSM data xfer? no heavy CPU load
Dec 13 21:43:59 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer51: of course wlan is active :P
Dec 13 21:44:25 * luke-jr pulls the USB cable <.<
Dec 13 21:48:31 <luke-jr> hmm, I'm assuming it's as efficient as BME… is that wrong?
Dec 13 21:49:18 <luke-jr> FWIW, off-USB, Intel powertop reports 0.2W (22 hours)
Dec 13 21:49:27 <luke-jr> ~100 wakeups per sec
Dec 13 21:49:39 <luke-jr> with KDE 4.6 running and wifi
Dec 13 21:49:53 <luke-jr> and Konversation for IRC
Dec 13 21:49:57 <luke-jr> with about 50 channels <.<
Dec 13 21:50:34 <StyXman> luke-jr: wow
Dec 13 21:51:03 <luke-jr> now if only Plasma worked sanely…
Dec 13 21:51:10 <luke-jr> … and ofono
Dec 13 21:51:40 <luke-jr> also need to figure out a touchscreen lock
Dec 13 21:51:51 <DocScrutinizer51> current drawn from charger chip has to stay under the charge-end threshold for some 15s
Dec 13 21:52:18 <DocScrutinizer51> themthreshold gets set in charger script and for all I know it's sane
Dec 13 21:52:29 <luke-jr> hmm, I guess I should upgrade to KDE 4.7
Dec 13 21:52:38 <DocScrutinizer51> unless you have power spikes every 3 s
Dec 13 21:52:41 <luke-jr> …  need an Alt key too
Dec 13 21:53:20 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway, after some 4h a timeout expire and charging ends no matter what
Dec 13 21:54:00 <luke-jr> 10 hours with screen on, and using it :o
Dec 13 21:54:14 <luke-jr> I didn't get that kind of runtime even with Maemo
Dec 13 21:54:20 <DocScrutinizer51> other than bme the charge script will resume charging when battery dropped to ~75%
Dec 13 21:55:11 * luke-jr sighs at X.org's evdev driver not having any form of right-click emulation…
Dec 13 21:55:13 <DocScrutinizer51> 10h runtime is way to much power consumption to let charge end get detected
Dec 13 21:55:56 <DocScrutinizer51> 10h = 130mA, charge-end thrhld is 50mA iirc
Dec 13 21:56:55 <luke-jr> without KDE running:
Dec 13 21:56:56 <luke-jr> Power usage (ACPI estimate): 0.3W (13.3 hours) (long term: 1.2W,/3.4h)
Dec 13 22:01:32 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer51: any idea why it only drops to 250 MHz rarely even when idle?
Dec 13 22:02:20 <DocScrutinizer51> cpufreq / governor / rules wrong?
Dec 13 22:03:10 <luke-jr> ondemand 125-600 MHz… :/
Dec 13 22:04:05 <trumee> is there irc client which works in portrait mode on N900?
Dec 13 22:05:22 * trumee found out why one handed use is so important after travelling in the tube.
Dec 13 22:06:01 <trumee> luke-jr, using konversation on N900?
Dec 13 22:06:28 <luke-jr> trumee: yes, but not portrait
Dec 13 22:06:38 <luke-jr> in fact, X.org doesn't even seem to SUPPORT portrait.. :o
Dec 13 22:07:12 <trumee> luke-jr, is gentoo running in chroot?
Dec 13 22:07:24 <luke-jr> trumee: fully booted now
Dec 13 22:07:48 <trumee> luke-jr, nice. how well is it performing?
Dec 13 22:07:59 <luke-jr> usable.
Dec 13 22:08:08 <luke-jr> KDE's netbook mode seems buggy though
Dec 13 22:08:13 <luke-jr> so I'm upgrading to 4.7 now
Dec 13 22:08:35 <trumee> luke-jr, cool. did you try kmail/kontact?
Dec 13 22:08:59 <luke-jr> trumee: no, I'm sticking to KMail 1 from KDE 4.4 :p
Dec 13 22:09:09 <luke-jr> until Trojita is mature
Dec 13 22:09:52 <trumee> luke-jr, well i am using whatever gentoo provides.
Dec 13 22:10:11 <luke-jr> KDE supports KMail from 4.4 still
Dec 13 22:10:20 <luke-jr> KMail 4.7 is insane buggy
Dec 13 22:10:37 <luke-jr> it requires MySQL running on the system
Dec 13 22:10:42 <trumee> luke-jr, seems kmail 4.7 cannot import old emails
Dec 13 22:11:09 <trumee> luke-jr, kmail might be too memory hungry on N900
Dec 13 22:12:02 <trumee> somebody was developing irc client for harmattan. not sure if it ever got ported to N900
Dec 13 22:36:25 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: when CPU runs at >250MHz all the time, you hardly will see charge-termination
Dec 14 00:28:53 <newbie007> greetings, I'm trying to convert a video using tablet-encode-2.30 the input file is 2+ hours the resulting avi is 12 minutes. It is possible to convert a longer video?
Dec 14 00:38:10 <timeless_xchat> help
Dec 14 00:40:14 <timeless_xchat> i need a way to tell Phone not to dial numbers that aren't +1
Dec 14 00:40:14 <timeless_xchat> my n900 likes pocket calling Finland 
Dec 14 00:40:14 <timeless_xchat> and the UI designers were so *clever*
Dec 14 00:40:15 <timeless_xchat> that they made it trivial for pants to add contacts to the desktop
Dec 14 00:40:15 <timeless_xchat> and then call them
Dec 14 00:40:16 <timeless_xchat> so i'm calling an Aapo
Dec 14 00:52:17 <timeless_xchat> hrm, callblocker.py seems to manage inboud calls
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