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Dec 21 05:56:18 <infobot> Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions
Dec 21 05:57:40 * RST38h yawns
Dec 21 06:08:13 * DocScrutinizer yawns too
Dec 21 06:09:03 <Macer_> blah
Dec 21 06:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> (apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/) I'm going to patent breathing while shitting/f*cking/reading/walking/talking
Dec 21 06:11:29 <DocScrutinizer> let's face it: apple got patents on the flat surface now, on multitasking, I wonder what's next
Dec 21 06:11:40 <DocScrutinizer> those turds
Dec 21 06:15:41 <DocScrutinizer> I'm quite happy I got my patents on user defined cell functions in spreadsheets in like 2001
Dec 21 06:31:16 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: heh
Dec 21 06:31:31 <Macer> patents using apps during calls?
Dec 21 06:31:35 <Macer> is that even possible?
Dec 21 06:31:56 <Macer> that sure sounds like something that would be rejected
Dec 21 06:55:25 <merlin1991> Macer: that is something that just got approved
Dec 21 06:55:40 <merlin1991> but as far as I understand it the n9 does not infringe it
Dec 21 06:55:52 <merlin1991> because the patent describes an on screen button
Dec 21 06:56:00 <merlin1991> yay for swipe :)
Dec 21 06:56:44 <luke-jr> merlin1991: bogus patent is bogus
Dec 21 06:57:36 <merlin1991> luke-jr: though I do not want to be on the recieving end of the first lawsuit
Dec 21 06:57:37 <SpeedEvil> I vaguely remember using apps while calling on the neo1973
Dec 21 06:57:56 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: I remember clearly doing it long before smartphones
Dec 21 06:57:57 <merlin1991> SpeedEvil: they used their aswesome "mobile computer with touchscreen" line
Dec 21 06:58:25 <luke-jr> back when FreeWorldDialup or whatever had VoIP that could dial 800 #s free
Dec 21 06:58:26 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: Hmm
Dec 21 06:58:32 * merlin1991 darkly remembers some other apple vs x case where the patent was "valid" because no prior art involved a touchscreen
Dec 21 06:58:34 <luke-jr> I used to make all my phone calls using calling cards
Dec 21 06:58:46 <SpeedEvil> merlin1991: It's fucking insane.
Dec 21 06:58:55 <merlin1991> I completely agree
Dec 21 06:58:59 <SpeedEvil> The definition of 'obvious' needs to be _really_ tightened up.
Dec 21 06:59:03 <Macer> hahaha
Dec 21 06:59:19 <Macer> apple is going to win its battle by locking everything down
Dec 21 06:59:25 <Macer> :) have to give them an A for effort
Dec 21 06:59:26 <SpeedEvil> You should not get to patent 'painting a flying car made of metal to reduce corrosion and/or change appearance.
Dec 21 06:59:40 <SpeedEvil> Just because you've invented a flying car
Dec 21 06:59:40 <merlin1991> :D
Dec 21 06:59:47 <SpeedEvil> (or imagined a flying car)
Dec 21 06:59:51 <Macer> they didn't invent a touch screen tho :)
Dec 21 07:00:05 * merlin1991 is waiting for the final result of apple vs motorola in germany
Dec 21 07:00:17 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: rather, patents and copyrights need to be merged
Dec 21 07:00:20 <merlin1991> if that goes through it's going to be funky for apple
Dec 21 07:00:27 <Macer> apple is fking up... sooner or later they're all goin to gang up on apple
Dec 21 07:00:36 <Macer> and come up with a patent sharing system with everybody except apple
Dec 21 07:00:38 <Macer> lol
Dec 21 07:00:46 <luke-jr> eg, you get copyright-like monopoly for 3 years provided the government gets the full source code to publish at that time
Dec 21 07:01:06 <luke-jr> ideally, require customers to get source code for those 3 years too
Dec 21 07:01:17 <Macer> fk no that will never happen
Dec 21 07:01:19 <Macer> hahahaa
Dec 21 07:01:56 <merlin1991> luke-jr: imo the patent system in its current form is simply outdated, it worked great as long as development wasnt that fast, but now a 20 year hold on somy silly on screen button, srly?
Dec 21 07:02:05 <Macer> i'll give you submitting code for copyright... but there is no way in hell they would go with a system where customers get all src
Dec 21 07:02:13 <luke-jr> Macer: why not?
Dec 21 07:02:17 <Macer> but then again i suppose you might be able to get it with the freedom of information act
Dec 21 07:02:26 <Macer> because it is IP :)
Dec 21 07:02:36 <Macer> the chinese will use it for knock offs
Dec 21 07:02:36 <merlin1991> Macer: that would only count in the us though
Dec 21 07:02:39 <luke-jr> Macer: in exchange, they get government protection for their monopoly for 3 years
Dec 21 07:02:45 <luke-jr> Macer: if they don't comply, they get NOTHING
Dec 21 07:03:07 <Macer> but then they would spend 10x in govt red tape
Dec 21 07:03:14 <Macer> as if that isn't bad enough? :)
Dec 21 07:03:18 <merlin1991> now try to get that passed by the same people who would like to pass sopa :D
Dec 21 07:03:20 <Macer> not to mention the china factor again
Dec 21 07:03:31 <luke-jr> hehhee
Dec 21 07:03:43 <Macer> the chinese will tell a US court to go fk themselves
Dec 21 07:03:58 <luke-jr> Eurasia needs to collapse so we can get a bunch of new countries with their own unique laws <.<
Dec 21 07:03:59 <Macer> and make knockoffs based on "customer code" al day long :)
Dec 21 07:04:13 <luke-jr> Macer: people would stop exporting to China ;)
Dec 21 07:04:22 <luke-jr> Macer: and wouldn't trust China to produce their products
Dec 21 07:04:26 <Macer> luke-jr: china doesn't care about imports :-P
Dec 21 07:04:27 <luke-jr> Macer: overall, a good thing
Dec 21 07:04:31 <Macer> only exports
Dec 21 07:04:35 <merlin1991> come on why get rid of europe?
Dec 21 07:04:39 <Macer> and doesn't matter.. someone in asia will do it regardless heh
Dec 21 07:04:44 <luke-jr> merlin1991: worst continent right now?
Dec 21 07:04:46 <Macer> if not them... the russians
Dec 21 07:04:54 <merlin1991> luke-jr: I'm pretty happy here in austria
Dec 21 07:04:55 <luke-jr> Russia is part of Eurasia :P
Dec 21 07:05:03 <merlin1991> what's your reasoning for worst?
Dec 21 07:05:04 <Macer> i think eurasia needs to have 1 govt
Dec 21 07:05:05 <luke-jr> merlin1991: only cuz you don't know better :P
Dec 21 07:05:10 <Macer> but that'll never happen :)
Dec 21 07:05:18 <luke-jr> merlin1991: rampant liberalism gone beyond insane
Dec 21 07:05:25 <merlin1991> :D
Dec 21 07:05:38 <luke-jr> also, SI
Dec 21 07:05:46 <Macer> hahahah! SI??
Dec 21 07:05:47 <Macer> :)
Dec 21 07:05:57 <Macer> seriously?
Dec 21 07:06:08 <luke-jr> SI sucks, but it's probably the worst of Eurasia's problems :P
Dec 21 07:06:11 <luke-jr> err
Dec 21 07:06:13 <luke-jr> least bad*
Dec 21 07:06:16 <merlin1991> on the other hand we don't have the us way of spying on everyone, no military operations, and health care :D
Dec 21 07:06:35 <merlin1991> (talking about austria not whole of europe here)
Dec 21 07:06:36 <luke-jr> merlin1991: instead you have legalized murder and kidnapping as "rights"
Dec 21 07:06:53 <merlin1991> luke-jr: I must have missed that, when did we do that?
Dec 21 07:07:11 <Macer> luke-jr: that was in the hitler days :-P
Dec 21 07:07:14 <luke-jr> merlin1991: well, legalized murder is basically international now, so long as the victim isn't born yet
Dec 21 07:07:25 <merlin1991> isn't here
Dec 21 07:07:27 <luke-jr> merlin1991: legalized kidnapping was whenever Austria ratified the CRC
Dec 21 07:07:45 <merlin1991> CRC stands for what?
Dec 21 07:07:56 <Macer> legalized kidnapping! keep up! :)
Dec 21 07:07:57 <luke-jr> http://www.unicef.org/crc/
Dec 21 07:08:14 <luke-jr> merlin1991: Wikipedia says murdering unborn children legalized in Austria since 1974
Dec 21 07:09:01 <merlin1991> luke-jr: it is not legalized per se, there is a timeframe in which it is allowed, and in case of complications for the mother late abortion is legal
Dec 21 07:09:20 <merlin1991> and even the timeframe is not a proper law but stands in conflict with another one :D
Dec 21 07:09:39 <luke-jr> merlin1991: see, legalized murder
Dec 21 07:09:46 <merlin1991> murdering of unborn childen in austria is actually not a clear case law wise
Dec 21 07:09:56 <merlin1991> true though
Dec 21 07:10:04 <merlin1991> but luke-jr which country doesn't?
Dec 21 07:10:10 <luke-jr> the USA is the only country worldwide to not ratify the CDC, at least
Dec 21 07:10:22 <luke-jr> and the liberals here are trying to change that fast
Dec 21 07:10:37 <luke-jr> so hopefully some of Eurasia gets a fresh start first
Dec 21 07:12:37 <Macer> china is probing an explosion at an apple supplier factory
Dec 21 07:12:38 <Macer> :)
Dec 21 07:12:43 <Macer> google agents?
Dec 21 07:12:44 <Macer> lol
Dec 21 07:13:02 <Macer> company covert ops.. that would be awesome
Dec 21 07:13:29 <Macer> the great tech war of 2012
Dec 21 07:14:23 <niwakame> less Deus Ex, more cookies
Dec 21 09:41:15 <vi_> Macer: corporate espionage is a real threat for many companies.
Dec 21 11:04:38 <psycho_oreos> ugh *note to self: never get a custom/d-i-y screen protectors and fit it on N900... they are virtually impossible to take off without scratching the digitiser*
Dec 21 11:11:58 <ShadowJK> i've changed my vikuiti once
Dec 21 12:42:36 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 21 12:42:44 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 21 12:42:52 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 11h 28m 58s) #harmattan (2d 11h 28m 58s) #meego (2d 11h 28m 58s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 55m 23s, last said: 'The surface is different yes.'.
Dec 21 15:04:20 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 21 15:04:30 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 21 15:04:32 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 13h 50m 37s) #harmattan (2d 13h 50m 37s) #meego (2d 13h 50m 37s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 3h 17m 2s, last said: 'The surface is different yes.'.
Dec 21 16:21:19 <shanttu> are core-dumps on sd-card something that should be backed up?
Dec 21 16:24:31 <valdyn> shanttu: nope
Dec 21 16:24:42 <shanttu> valdyn, thanks.
Dec 21 16:58:37 <Macer> lol
Dec 21 18:11:10 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 21 18:11:23 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 16h 57m 27s) #harmattan (2d 16h 57m 27s) #meego (2d 16h 57m 27s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 6h 23m 52s, last said: 'The surface is different yes.'.
Dec 21 20:36:34 <freemangordon> Pali, AIUI (and as felipec pointed on 720p thread) videoframes captured by camera driver are memcpy'ed to framebuffer for previewing
Dec 21 20:36:55 <freemangordon> you can imagine the performance loss because of that
Dec 21 20:37:21 <Pali> yes this can be slow
Dec 21 20:37:25 <freemangordon> the solution is to use mmap'ed framebuffer and to pass the address to camera driver
Dec 21 20:37:49 <Pali> but I do not know why...
Dec 21 20:37:54 <freemangordon> so isp (camera driver) captures directly into framebuffer
Dec 21 20:38:31 <freemangordon> hardware-wise that is perfectly ok
Dec 21 20:40:28 <freemangordon> but isp and kernel does not support it. isp tries to get_user_pages on that address, and it fails.
Dec 21 20:40:39 <freemangordon> of course
Dec 21 20:40:58 <freemangordon> I've found a solution on inet, but another issue arose
Dec 21 20:42:41 <freemangordon> isp tries to do iommu_vmap on a DMA sg list containing only one entry , with lenght which is not PAGESIZE. And I am stuck there.
Dec 21 20:43:43 <freemangordon> That is why I nead some guru to help.
Dec 21 20:43:49 <freemangordon> *need
Dec 21 20:44:33 <Pali> maybe you could ask developers of framebuffer or better nokia developer who working on upstreaming camera kernel module...
Dec 21 20:46:16 <freemangordon> I've passed trough a lot of patches, seems the whole driver structure is different. But this is still not fixed AIUI.
Dec 21 20:46:24 <Pali> https://gitorious.org/~sailus
Dec 21 20:47:54 <freemangordon> yeah, I was about to git clone it :D. 
Dec 21 20:48:11 <ShadowJK> I think it's generally hard (impossible) to get large amounts of physically continous ram from the kernel
Dec 21 20:48:42 <freemangordon> framebuffer is
Dec 21 20:48:43 <StyXman> nokia n900, I think
Dec 21 20:48:53 <StyXman> errr
Dec 21 20:49:02 <StyXman> nevermoind
Dec 21 20:50:39 <freemangordon> ShadowJK, framebuffer memory is continious physical RAM. And it is 8MB in last KP 
Dec 21 20:51:20 <freemangordon> Pretty enough for 3-4 v4l2 videobuffers even at 1280x720
Dec 21 20:53:29 <freemangordon> and doing DMA instead of memcpy leaves MPU free to do more important things in the process of video capure. If only I can do it :D
Dec 22 01:24:04 <pauly> hey i got a N900!
Dec 22 01:25:11 <luke-jr> Pauly007: I'm sorry.
Dec 22 01:25:40 <Pauly007> lol
Dec 22 01:26:04 <luke-jr> let me guess, you wanted a phone?
Dec 22 01:26:15 <Pauly007> bought it used anyone know how to make the icons in the menu the default order?
Dec 22 01:26:30 <luke-jr> reflash it
Dec 22 01:26:31 <Pauly007> there all different order
Dec 22 01:26:42 <luke-jr> but first make an image and search it for credit card numbers
Dec 22 01:27:16 <Pauly007> i did, just not the emmc
Dec 22 01:27:24 <luke-jr> you're not under the assumption that there's some sensible order to icons, are you?
Dec 22 01:27:49 <Pauly007> i don't understand?
Dec 22 01:28:00 <luke-jr> why does the 'default order' matter?
Dec 22 01:28:04 <luke-jr> I think it's pretty much random
Dec 22 01:28:12 <Pauly007> no its not
Dec 22 01:28:25 <luke-jr> deterministic random probably, but that's still random
Dec 22 01:28:57 <Pauly007> can't you do it by hitting the thing in settings?
Dec 22 01:29:03 <luke-jr> doubt it
Dec 22 01:29:16 <luke-jr> Pauly007: so what exactly were you hoping to use N900 for?
Dec 22 01:31:58 <luke-jr> pauly007_:  so what exactly were you hoping to use N900 for?
Dec 22 01:32:39 <pauly007_> somthing til i get galaxy note or n9
Dec 22 01:32:51 <luke-jr> …
Dec 22 01:32:53 <pauly007_> hey should i try restore factory settings?
Dec 22 01:32:58 <pauly007_> ??
Dec 22 01:33:03 <luke-jr> in other words, you wanted a phone
Dec 22 01:33:09 <pauly007_> ya
Dec 22 01:33:15 <pauly007_> i guess
Dec 22 01:33:16 <luke-jr> N900 isn't a phone :P
Dec 22 01:33:41 <pauly007_> i had like 3 of them so far
Dec 22 01:33:46 <pauly007_> cant find nothing better
Dec 22 01:34:00 <luke-jr> what makes you think N9 or Note are better?
Dec 22 01:34:15 <pauly007_> more hardware specs
Dec 22 01:34:22 <pauly007_> im gonna brb
Dec 22 01:34:28 <luke-jr> crappy touchscreens
Dec 22 01:40:18 <pauly007_> so no idea how to fix my icons
Dec 22 01:40:23 <pauly007_> ??
Dec 22 01:58:51 <luke-jr> pauly007_: they're not brokne
Dec 22 02:09:02 <pauly007_> ?
Dec 22 02:11:58 <auenf> pauly007_
Dec 22 02:11:59 <auenf> http://www.techans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Menu1.png
Dec 22 02:12:08 <auenf> http://www.techans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Menu6.png
Dec 22 02:12:44 <auenf> xterminal is the last of the preinstalled apps
Dec 22 02:13:17 <auenf> then after that is either alphabetical, or installed order depending on what mood the device is in
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