**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 22 02:59:57 2011
Dec 22 06:00:04 <infobot> Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions
Dec 22 06:01:12 * DocScrutinizer is going to ban estel off the global IRC now :-/
Dec 22 06:27:26 <kwtm2> Any francophones who can help me with a natural-sounding way to translate French?  I want to say "I want to set my thoughts on paper."  "Mettre au papier"?  Ca se dit en francais>?
Dec 22 07:14:09 <swiftkick> does anyone recommend upgrading an n900 to mamemo6/meego?
Dec 22 07:14:34 <swiftkick> or wait
Dec 22 07:14:36 <swiftkick> is that moblin
Dec 22 07:17:24 <swiftkick> i have a relatively virgin n900 and basic familiarity with linux. checked out the apps available on the default repository, not bad. what can i do with it besides run aircrack-ng?
Dec 22 07:18:14 <swiftkick> besides the basic clock, calendar, email, internet, is there anything fun that people have found to do with the n900 or maemo
Dec 22 07:25:33 <swiftkick> like how can i activate the face-facing webcam
Dec 22 07:31:45 <Sicelo> ~flashing
Dec 22 07:31:45 <infobot> i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Dec 22 07:32:25 <Sicelo> swiftkick: maemo6 won't work on N900. u can use Meego though.
Dec 22 07:36:52 <Sicelo> front camera is switched on automatically for video calls via voip/sip. u can install Mirror if u want to use it at any time. u can also use mplayer/gstreamer to stream video from it. see the wiki
Dec 22 07:39:09 <swiftkick> Sicelo: thanks! is there any reason to try meego
Dec 22 10:15:53 <savidavi> Ciao!
Dec 22 11:08:04 <BCMM> is there a flashblock package that works with the current maemo browser?
Dec 22 11:08:23 <BCMM> i'm getting "not compatible with MicroB 3.5"
Dec 22 12:13:12 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 22 12:13:20 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 22 12:13:25 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (56m 31s) #harmattan (56m 31s) #meego (56m 31s), last said: 'The surface is different yes.'.
Dec 22 14:22:39 <lardman> has anyone used Snuggle?
Dec 22 14:23:14 <gggs> is it conceivable possible for the N900 to generate morse audio when it receives an SMS, depending on contact? ie "FR" for fred, "BI" for bill etc
Dec 22 14:23:30 <lardman> I imagine so
Dec 22 14:24:22 <gggs> lardman: I've found an application allowing custom ringtones, nothing for custom sms let alone morse tone generation
Dec 22 14:24:52 <lardman> what's the application for custom ringtones?
Dec 22 14:26:18 <lardman> btw I didn't say there's one extant, just that I imagine it's readily possible to create your own
Dec 22 14:30:43 <gggs> it was called "Custom Ringtones", never tried it however ymmv
Dec 22 14:31:06 <lardman> I was just wondering how it worked as afair it wasn't possible to override the default one that the dialer generates
Dec 22 15:39:02 <iluminator101> how do i find out my public ip from n900 the last time i was online using wifi?
Dec 22 15:39:45 <iluminator101> also how do you view microB browsing history
Dec 22 15:41:33 <ShadowJK> swipe right-left, tap comlete history
Dec 22 15:41:39 <ShadowJK> doesn't work in bookmarks view
Dec 22 15:53:58 <iluminator101> shadowJK that worked but i am trying to get ip from the last time i was online?
Dec 22 15:54:47 <iluminator101> shadowJK that worked but i am trying to get ip from the last time i was online from offline mode
Dec 22 16:00:58 <iluminator101> where would the saved browsing history be saved at?
Dec 22 17:58:32 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 22 17:58:39 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 22 17:58:47 <infobot> x-fade <~xfade@d5152FFD8.static.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 6h 11m 9s ago, saying: 'The surface is different yes.'.
Dec 22 18:04:02 <luke-jr> anyone have any idea if the N900's phonet GPS protocol works with other phonet devices?
Dec 22 19:24:16 <BCMM_> Heh, using Gnumeric on the n900. the save icon is a hard drive, not a floppy disk
Dec 22 19:24:34 <BCMM_> that icon has to remain one technological step behind the device it runs on
Dec 22 19:35:07 <Macer> lol!
Dec 22 19:35:16 <Macer> i don't think people would understand a nand chip icon ;)
Dec 22 19:46:06 <luke-jr> IMO, "Save" is an obsolete function
Dec 22 19:46:18 <luke-jr> too bad the replacement hasn't really been implemented yet
Dec 22 19:46:45 <luke-jr> every file should keep a full history of changes, and "Save" should be replaced with "Tag this revision" :P
Dec 22 20:00:24 <DocScrutinizer> first I thought you start trolling again, but yur comment is actually a very sound one
Dec 22 20:05:04 <luke-jr> :p
Dec 22 20:05:58 <luke-jr> it'd be even better if it integrated with git nicely ;)
Dec 22 20:06:00 <ZogG_laptop> sup
Dec 22 20:06:04 <ZogG_laptop> BCMM_: hey
Dec 22 20:06:18 <BCMM_> good day
Dec 22 20:06:29 <BCMM_> i'm afraid i am literally just about to go and cook
Dec 22 20:09:18 <ZogG_laptop> BCMM_: missing you, come to #harmattan =)
Dec 22 20:09:29 <ZogG_laptop> good day and happy hanuka
Dec 22 20:10:06 <ZogG_laptop> sup guys
Dec 22 20:11:35 <badcloud> arrrrg nokia + ext2/3
Dec 22 20:11:42 <badcloud> want... kill
Dec 22 20:12:06 <ZogG_laptop> anyone here can help with garage and building for it?
Dec 22 20:14:50 <ZogG_laptop> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/waze_0.0.4/
Dec 22 20:36:38 <badcloud> what other os's can be booted off of the n900?
Dec 22 20:38:31 <badcloud> other than android and meego I mean
Dec 22 20:40:14 <badcloud> anyone?
Dec 22 20:40:40 <NIN101> distris? debian, gentoo, whatever. 
Dec 22 20:42:28 <badcloud> NIN101: thanks
Dec 22 20:42:43 <badcloud> didn't know gentoo could be booted off it
Dec 22 20:42:51 <luke-jr> badcloud: Gentoo
Dec 22 20:43:06 <luke-jr> badcloud: if you want to work on it with me, ping me :P
Dec 22 20:43:48 <badcloud> luke-jr: well, ultimately, I'd like arch
Dec 22 20:43:54 <badcloud> but thanks for the offer
Dec 22 20:43:55 <luke-jr> bah
Dec 22 20:44:21 <badcloud> luke-jr: isn't there a crap-ton of compiling involved in gentoo?
Dec 22 20:44:27 <ZogG_laptop> arch is overrated
Dec 22 20:44:38 <luke-jr> badcloud: sometimes.
Dec 22 20:44:43 <badcloud> ZogG_laptop: maybe, but I've had no complaints so far
Dec 22 20:44:57 <badcloud> I'm just getting very cross with my n900 lately
Dec 22 20:45:20 <badcloud> many MANY functions missing/not working as they should
Dec 22 20:45:57 <Sicelo> luke-jr: would u help us with voice calls on these alternative distros? i read that u have had success with gentoo, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-20.log.html#t2011-12-20T08:58:254
Dec 22 20:46:26 <luke-jr> Sicelo: maybe.
Dec 22 20:46:58 <luke-jr> Sicelo: what alternative distros?
Dec 22 20:47:05 <Sicelo> :) kewl
Dec 22 20:47:25 <Sicelo> i'd try anything, although i'm more inclined towards debian
Dec 22 20:47:30 <luke-jr> pfft
Dec 22 20:47:34 <Sicelo> heh
Dec 22 20:47:35 <luke-jr> if anything, use Gentoo
Dec 22 20:48:23 <Sicelo> if i partition my MyDocs, i can use your gentoo? or i really need a memory card?
Dec 22 20:48:32 <luke-jr> I partitioned eMMC
Dec 22 20:48:52 <badcloud> luke-jr: is there a function chart for gentoo functionality on n900?
Dec 22 20:48:59 <luke-jr> badcloud: a what?
Dec 22 20:49:03 <Sicelo> sounds good.
Dec 22 20:49:06 <badcloud> luke-jr: sorry, I'm tired
Dec 22 20:49:17 <badcloud> some chart which displays what works, what doesn't, etc
Dec 22 20:49:22 <badcloud> like sms, calls
Dec 22 20:49:42 <luke-jr> badcloud: I have a txt file locally :P
Dec 22 20:50:06 <badcloud> luke-jr: lay it on me
Dec 22 20:50:13 <luke-jr> http://pastebin.com/hvk2PU7t
Dec 22 20:50:27 <luke-jr> this isn't hardware so much as my goals
Dec 22 20:50:28 <ZogG_laptop> luke-jr: you used ofono to call?
Dec 22 20:50:33 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: yes
Dec 22 20:50:44 <ZogG_laptop> luke-jr: nice and what app?
Dec 22 20:50:50 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: no app
Dec 22 20:50:58 <luke-jr> just the ofono example tools
Dec 22 20:51:06 <luke-jr> and the libcmtspeechdata example
Dec 22 20:51:17 <luke-jr> working on an ALSA plugin for libcmtspeechdata tho
Dec 22 20:51:52 <ZogG_laptop> but do you have any app?
Dec 22 20:52:02 <ZogG_laptop> btw any screenshots?
Dec 22 20:52:04 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: no
Dec 22 20:52:09 <ZogG_laptop> and how you get incoming calls?
Dec 22 20:52:11 <luke-jr> it just looks like any other KDE install right now :p
Dec 22 20:52:24 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: ofono-answer-calls
Dec 22 20:53:22 <ZogG_laptop> luke-jr: but how you see that someone is calling and how you do answer?
Dec 22 20:53:34 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: I don't yet.
Dec 22 20:53:42 <luke-jr> ofono-answer-calls answers
Dec 22 20:53:57 <ZogG_laptop> luke-jr: ofono is \
Dec 22 20:54:11 <badcloud> how's meego?
Dec 22 20:54:13 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: I have 100 minutes to test with each month :P
Dec 22 20:54:40 <luke-jr> minus whatever I use for actual calls
Dec 22 20:54:51 <ZogG_laptop> luke-jr: i'm interested if i can use my simcard slot in notebook with funtoo
Dec 22 20:55:05 <luke-jr> ZogG_laptop: ?
Dec 22 20:55:07 <ZogG_laptop> ofono is nokia specific driver?
Dec 22 20:55:17 <luke-jr> ofono has a n900 driver
Dec 22 20:56:15 <luke-jr> I know nothing about other ofono-compatible hardware
Dec 22 20:57:19 <luke-jr> Sicelo: FWIW, my eMMC is: p5 10 GB Gentoo rootfs, p6 16 GB extra storage, p2 Maemo /home, p3 Maemo MyDocs
Dec 22 20:57:23 <luke-jr> err
Dec 22 20:57:28 <luke-jr> no…
Dec 22 20:57:33 * luke-jr scratches his head
Dec 22 20:57:37 <Sicelo> ;)
Dec 22 20:57:54 <NIN101> luke-jr: any link to this libcmtspeechdata example?
Dec 22 20:58:01 <ZogG_laptop> 10 eMMC ?
Dec 22 20:58:02 <Sicelo> i can live with a 2GB MyDocs. 
Dec 22 20:58:05 <luke-jr> NIN101: it's in libcmtspeechdata's git tree
Dec 22 20:58:20 <Sicelo> then i can use ther rest for anything else
Dec 22 20:58:28 <luke-jr> Sicelo: FWIW, my eMMC is: p1 2 GB MyDocs, p5 10 GB Gentoo rootfs, p6 16 GB extra storage, p2 Maemo /home, p3 swap
Dec 22 20:59:06 <luke-jr> Sicelo: just be careful to keep p1-p3 the same as stock Maemo partitioning ;)
Dec 22 20:59:16 <luke-jr> NIN101: it's a loopback example
Dec 22 20:59:30 <luke-jr> NIN101: before I can test phone<->speaker, I need to get a safe speaker ;)
Dec 22 21:00:01 <NIN101> oh ok. 
Dec 22 21:01:52 <ZogG_laptop> or now i got you have it not on flash at all
Dec 22 21:01:58 <ZogG_laptop> luke-jr: do you have dualboot?
Dec 22 21:02:32 <luke-jr> for now
Dec 22 21:04:18 <Sicelo> luke-jr: once i'm ready with the partitions, where can i get gentoo?
Dec 22 21:04:57 <luke-jr> Sicelo: would you mind documenting the install process as we go through it together? :P
Dec 22 21:06:14 <luke-jr> grab a stage3 from http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a_hardfp/
Dec 22 21:07:53 <Sicelo> i could try, lol. hoping what i would write won't sound winded ;D
Dec 22 21:11:28 <luke-jr> let me know when you're ready :P
Dec 22 21:12:24 <Sicelo> sure
Dec 22 21:34:13 <ZogG_laptop> Sicelo: lol, gentoo is not easy to install for first time, but when u understand it it's easier than ubuntu
Dec 22 21:34:26 <ZogG_laptop> coz u decide what to do and how and u understadn what you do
Dec 22 21:34:39 * ZogG_laptop <3 gentoo and funtoo
Dec 22 21:36:10 * badcloud is downloading meego
Dec 22 21:57:16 <zanberdo> I have an N900 running 1.3 and am having some trouble installing applications and performing updates. I get an error message that says: Not enough space in application to install memory." I'm fairly certain I do have enough space but I need some pointers for what and where I should be looking to determine if in fact I have enough space.
Dec 22 22:04:50 <NIN101> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
Dec 22 22:05:48 <NIN101> but first, take a look how much space is used using the file manager...
Dec 22 22:12:46 <BCMM_> zanberdo: pastebin "df -h" ?
Dec 22 22:17:26 <zanberdo> BCMM, I was mistaken. It appears that /home is 97% used with only 55M free: /dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G      1.8G     55.0M  97% /home
Dec 22 22:17:32 <zanberdo> I'm deleting things now
Dec 22 22:34:34 <zanberdo> I use ncdu on my linux boxes to display files/directories by size from cli. is there something similar for maemo? 
Dec 22 23:03:38 <zanberdo> nm. just use sshfs to mount /home on lappy and using local utils
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