**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 29 02:59:57 2011 Dec 29 04:28:10 ok so conky on its own wont mess with FM Player but conky with the theme switcher will Dec 29 04:28:13 good to know Dec 29 04:56:57 Holy moly!...there's still people in here!? Dec 29 04:57:23 :3 Dec 29 04:57:54 ...did you just call me a troll...hahaha Dec 29 04:57:56 nice. Dec 29 04:58:29 Not trolling, I'm actually happy that people are still here, i haven't been here since..........shit 07? Dec 29 05:01:58 heh, well I still use the n900 as my main phone. Dec 29 05:03:09 Nice, I wish I had GSM... Dec 29 05:03:47 I'm actually thinking of picking up a N810 Wimax and see if I could clone it to my Evo's Wimax certs... Dec 29 05:03:52 THAT would be awesome... Dec 29 05:04:02 Can you guys help with this one Dec 29 05:04:35 I'm following http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=77695 , however i can't remove gstreamer Dec 29 05:05:09 apt-get is saying osso-wlan depends on it Dec 29 05:05:34 actually i can't make out what the hell its saying Dec 29 05:05:47 I still love the 770. Dec 29 05:06:58 any thoughts would be helpful im stumped. I need dsp codecs and osso to live in the same setup Dec 29 05:09:17 this chan seems to turn into tmo once again Dec 29 05:10:02 over 300 people in here, are like half of you all clones or bots lol Dec 29 05:10:18 are you a troll? Dec 29 05:10:45 Im sorry I don't understand you. Dec 29 05:17:43 this is the oddest and most cryptic error message ive ever seen by apt Dec 29 05:18:06 0. upgraded 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded Dec 29 05:31:50 I tried to install the released dsp codecs on top of the power kernel and every time i get a boot loop. I'll keep trying i guess. Dec 29 13:05:55 Hi, could someone give me a link where I can read about volume control on maemo with hardware keys Dec 29 14:28:08 hmm Dec 29 14:28:30 meh, he's gone anyway Dec 29 14:28:56 drive-by askers >:-( Dec 29 15:07:06 NIN101: Using run-standalone.sh, the dbus-send command you pointed me to works from the cli. Dec 29 15:07:30 Is there a nice way to add an icon for that command to the desktop? Dec 29 15:10:44 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon Dec 29 15:12:24 guly: Is there a doc for tying it all together? Dec 29 15:29:30 zsw: take a look at the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon and then create your own for your command. And then you can add it to desktop as usual. Dec 29 15:36:12 NIN101: yes. Thank you again. Dec 29 16:08:57 hi. I recently became the proud owner of an n900. I've only just started to set it up, but it seems something went wrong. I just rebooted my phone and now there seems to be some problems with the screen repainting. Is there any way this can be related to the drop-bear package? The problems started when I installed drop-bear, and now that I've uninstalled it (and rebooted) the phone seems fine again. To me it would seem strange that an ssh package Dec 29 16:08:57 could cause issues with screen repaint... Dec 29 16:09:30 Seems unlikely Dec 29 16:09:36 What sort of issues? Dec 29 16:10:06 the phone seemed really sluggish and unresponsive, and sometimes only parts of the screen repaint Dec 29 16:10:42 rebooting didn't fix it (tried a few times), but the first reboot after uninstalling dropbear everything is now back to normal Dec 29 16:11:05 well, that *might* be related Dec 29 16:11:17 I'd suggest openssh Dec 29 16:12:48 my choice for dropbear was based on it being considered small/lean&mean, so if possible I'd try that one. You mentioned that it might be related, can yoiu please explain how? Dec 29 16:13:28 nothing special, maybe dropbear hugs CPU Dec 29 16:14:07 top didn't show anything special though Dec 29 16:14:32 anyway dropbear is known to miss some nice features that openssh has, and actually size of the package isn't that much of an issue on N900, at least that sort of size Dec 29 16:15:11 DocScrutinizer: ok, I'll try openssh. I didn't mean installation size but rather memory requirements :) Dec 29 16:17:00 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if xinetd is of any use on N900 Dec 29 16:43:04 this is very strange indeed, dropbear doesn't even seem to be running Dec 29 16:44:41 anyone looked into the new WPA/2 WPS brute forcing ? Dec 29 16:44:46 could be a nice addition ;P Dec 29 16:45:07 http://www.tacnetsol.com/products/ Dec 29 16:55:15 I'm going slightly mad trying to add files/dirs to mp3blaster Dec 29 16:55:42 seems to print 'W' Dec 29 16:56:10 does ctrl-j or ctrl-m work better? Dec 29 16:56:23 ShadowJK: sec, trying Dec 29 16:57:24 ctrl-m worked :) Dec 29 16:57:27 thankss Dec 29 16:57:43 :)) Dec 29 17:21:54 ok, tried dropbear again, same issue. I can't see why, cpu usage seems normal and the package doesn't seem to install any strange files. The only odd issue is that it also doesn't seem to automatically start at boot. I've now installed openssh which seems to work fine, Setting up keybased login was a bit of a hassle but that works now too. Thanks :) Dec 29 17:25:09 yw Dec 29 17:26:43 badcloud ahould get that NK-enter bugfix, or simply switch to CSSU :-) Dec 29 17:42:43 DocScrutinizer: was that a response to me? Because I've already installed the cssu :) Dec 29 17:45:43 badcloud Dec 29 17:51:47 to badcloud Dec 29 17:52:52 How can I lock my phone to landscape mode when using cssu? I don't want portrait mode anywhere, if possible. Dec 29 17:53:48 mhh wait. just realized I habe orientation lock in my status area Dec 29 17:54:04 good thing it exists, portrait mode is a nusance. Dec 29 17:54:13 s/nu/nui/ Dec 29 17:54:13 Shapeshifter meant: good thing it exists, portrait mode is a nuisance. Dec 29 18:06:47 is it possible to have the option to select which kernel to boot when starting the phone? I'm thinking of installing kernel-power, but I'd like to be able to fall-back to the stock kernel if possible. I've been googling a bit but I mostly see stuff about dual booting meego (which I'm not interested in atm) Dec 29 18:12:19 uBoot is what you want, but honestly for powerkernel you won't want it Dec 29 18:12:48 powerkernel is stable enough and feature-complete regarding stock kernel Dec 29 18:13:07 I'd say Dec 29 18:13:49 anyway, if you really want a dualboot setup, then uBoot is for you, just you have to set it up for your special needs Dec 29 18:15:39 of course there's also multiboot, but that's absolutely deprecated, and may and occasionally *will* brick your device, so you might even need to do a full reflash to recover from multiboot doing exactly what the name says ;-D : boot infinite number of times in a loop Dec 29 18:19:30 multiboot works by basically flashing a new kernel and moving around kernel modules, from userland, then rebooting into the wanted kernel (AFAIK). The problem with that concept is that space on rootfs gets sparse when keeping two kernel module sets there, so you need to copy from eMMC, and you need to flash new matching kernel, and there's a rather large window of time where device won'T boot due to kernel/modules mismatch, when you for Dec 29 18:19:31 some reason shutdown during all that copying&flashing process Dec 29 18:21:22 result: deadlock. not boting, so no way to recover from half-installed kernel modules Dec 29 18:21:52 --> reflash, hard, with PC and flasher Dec 29 18:22:44 just on a sidenote: kernel gets flashed to NAND, and that has a limited number of write cycles until it is worn and your device definitely bricked forever Dec 29 18:23:14 so multiboot is *deprecated* Dec 29 18:23:36 ~maemo-multiboot Dec 29 18:23:37 maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Dec 29 18:28:52 N90 did NOT have native VPN client, I am right? Dec 29 18:28:55 *N900 Dec 29 18:29:05 I mean, stock. Dec 29 18:34:29 DocScrutinizer: wow, thanks for the detailed explanation! One additional question: I see that the 'stable' kernel-power version is 42, wheares the latest version is 49. Which one do you recommend for best results? Dec 29 18:34:54 I'm assuming 49, but I'm a bit weary since it's in extras-devel only? Dec 29 18:35:32 :nod: IIRC 49 should be stable again, after 47, 48 had some "minor issues" Dec 29 18:35:59 Ok, thank you, I'm going to try 49 then :) Dec 29 18:36:35 if any problems arise, you pike pali here in this chan, he'smaintainer of PK ;-D Dec 29 18:36:42 poke* Dec 29 18:36:47 got it Dec 29 18:38:16 I'm not aware of users recently encountering major issues with PK frequently. Usually it should "just work" Dec 29 18:40:30 javispedro: nope, never heard of native VPN on N900 Dec 29 18:46:37 hmm, what happened to the guy who tried to move /home/ and MyDocs to microsd? Dec 29 18:46:56 iirc he suceeded Dec 29 18:47:13 he's sitting in front of a laptop, reading your comment, and wondering why he didn't do it yet Dec 29 18:47:20 ;-D Dec 29 18:47:23 huh? Dec 29 18:47:45 ah yeah it's on your todo list :P Dec 29 18:47:58 ohwell, I just pondered, not tried Dec 29 18:48:25 wasn't there someone both of u helped? Dec 29 18:49:06 ooh, moment. Nah I pondered to move ALL to uSD and basicaly clone fremantle so I could dualboot into two rootfs Dec 29 18:49:46 yes, there's been somebody, quite some time ago Dec 29 18:49:54 nfc what became of him Dec 29 18:49:55 yeah I mean that user, starting with "u" Dec 29 18:50:17 user__ ? ;-P Dec 29 18:50:34 :-) Dec 29 18:50:39 i think he made it. if i remember he tried to write something on t.m.o as well :/ Dec 29 18:51:08 rrright Dec 29 18:51:24 chanlog *might* help Dec 29 18:51:37 though missing any decent grep string Dec 29 18:51:49 yeah. i'm just on slooow gprs right now :P Dec 29 18:52:05 * NIN101 starts to track him down. Dec 29 18:52:54 given the low number of users starting with u, you could grep for "u* joined" Dec 29 18:53:40 "UberNeo" Dec 29 18:53:45 AAAH Dec 29 18:53:47 right Dec 29 18:54:18 but, do I reacall him killing his N900? Dec 29 18:54:33 maybe I'm wrong Dec 29 18:55:37 ~seen uberneo Dec 29 18:55:42 uberneo <2e07f840@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.7.248.64> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 19h 25m 34s ago, saying: 'whenever i start QMLReddit'. Dec 29 18:56:46 ah yeah his dbus gone crazy. Dec 29 18:56:53 meh Dec 29 18:57:09 as long as his USB didn't fall out Dec 29 18:58:07 it wasnt that one. are u sure his nick wasn't f* Dec 29 18:58:31 or had f somewhere in the middle Dec 29 18:59:06 after the mmc<>microsd swap some stock programs stopped to work and dbus consumed lots of CPU Dec 29 18:59:17 dbus scripting turned into a forkbomb when once I "accidentally" placed a plain shell script into the /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ dir Dec 29 19:00:14 rright, there was this user who got a dead eMMC Dec 29 19:00:20 was this uberneo? Dec 29 19:00:24 yes Dec 29 19:01:00 so I was right his device was zombie state anyway Dec 29 19:01:08 hmmm :P Dec 29 19:01:14 I wouldn't blame dbus Dec 29 19:01:49 though it should've worked, I thought Dec 29 19:03:20 NIN101: right, I recall now we swapped the whole eMMC against uSD, system wide Dec 29 19:03:38 yep. Dec 29 19:03:57 not just moving /home to uSD Dec 29 19:04:15 raher moving uSD phy to eMMC Dec 29 19:04:44 would've been nice if it panned out Dec 29 19:05:24 I guess he gave up and got himself a cryPhone Dec 29 19:06:36 hahaha, likely :-). Dec 29 19:17:45 interesting to see a guy posting a thread with questions he asked yesterday here on IRC and which have been answered. Dec 29 19:19:57 NIN101: of course. Why would he trust anonymous users on IRC over anonymous users on a web forum? ;) Dec 29 19:21:00 NIN101: answered by the same guys on IRC? :D Dec 29 19:27:13 NIN101: his nick? Dec 29 19:28:38 javispedro: now, yes :P. ; DocScrutinizer51: he was "user___" on IRC here and "justanuser" on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1143213 Dec 29 19:29:07 haha Dec 29 19:30:24 lol. i remember him Dec 29 19:32:14 * RST38h moos, wonders what is new and exciting Dec 29 19:44:55 there's never anything new under the sun Dec 29 19:47:46 this Old Abe desperate for brand new N900 on tmo looks more like a troll than anything else :/ Dec 29 19:49:46 ~tmo Dec 29 19:49:46 i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes Dec 29 19:50:18 even though I am a member, the definition is funny :D Dec 29 19:57:34 lol Dec 29 19:57:47 i always read it as troll.maemo.org Dec 29 22:29:41 i have a Nokia N900. the 'Memory for installable applications' reads '247.5 MB available'. is this considered alot? how do i free up some space? Dec 29 22:30:57 mine says 1.05 gb Dec 29 22:31:01 so I guess its not alot Dec 29 22:31:47 do you have a lot of applications installed JakDaRippa ? Dec 29 22:32:32 i haven't installed very much at all...fmms, transmission, angry birds, hermes, irssi, rdesktop, recorder, smplayer and symfonie Dec 29 22:34:36 guys help help help got problem flashing my device Dec 29 22:34:58 getting rid of angry birds, rdesktop, smplayer and symfonie. i'll see what's available then Dec 29 22:35:14 ~flashing Dec 29 22:35:15 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 29 22:35:23 i saw already thi Dec 29 22:35:24 this Dec 29 22:35:26 Angry birds is not reinstallable Dec 29 22:35:28 but i have problem Dec 29 22:35:34 don't know from what Dec 29 22:35:35 As the download site went away Dec 29 22:35:50 IIRC symphonie is quite large Dec 29 22:35:52 SpeedEvil, ovi for maemo is dead? Dec 29 22:35:59 or just angrybirds for maemo Dec 29 22:36:24 I think ovi died closing on a year ago Dec 29 22:36:24 when i press the u and connect the usb.. it connect.. in the flahser it start to do the kb count then stop within seconds and .. wtf ? Dec 29 22:37:05 ok, so i'll leave angry birds Dec 29 22:37:12 well not that I really used it but damn Dec 29 22:37:32 please help :S Dec 29 22:38:09 Guest29093: 'kb count' ? Dec 29 22:38:23 yeah in flasher on the pc .. Dec 29 22:38:37 percentage Dec 29 22:38:45 Ah Dec 29 22:38:57 within seconds it stops Dec 29 22:38:58 Does it say it's completed? Dec 29 22:39:02 Or what's the error? Dec 29 22:39:02 no Dec 29 22:39:13 the window close fast Dec 29 22:39:17 paste the whole thing Guest29093 Dec 29 22:39:30 flasher-3.5.exe -F EMMC_By.MiDO.FaYad.8.giga.bin -f Dec 29 22:39:31 how come? are you using Windows? Dec 29 22:39:34 this you mean ? Dec 29 22:39:37 openm a CMD.ee first Dec 29 22:39:38 yeah windows Dec 29 22:39:39 cmd.exe Dec 29 22:39:49 and type the command there, it should not close Dec 29 22:39:59 percentage about 20% then stops and close the window Dec 29 22:40:14 flashing EMMC only? Dec 29 22:40:19 I think that doesn't work Dec 29 22:40:34 eemc means the device memory right ? Dec 29 22:41:02 yes Dec 29 22:41:03 embedded memory controller, internal memory yes, but not the operative system memory Dec 29 22:41:20 ohh lool then the problem with the file ? Dec 29 22:41:27 embedded MultiMediaCard Dec 29 22:41:32 :3 Dec 29 22:41:43 I always get it wrong Dec 29 22:41:48 please re-download your file first Dec 29 22:42:10 should i download the offical one ?! Dec 29 22:42:11 that doesn't look like an official firmware you could brick your device Dec 29 22:42:17 definitvely Dec 29 22:42:17 and please store it under original name Dec 29 22:42:37 this file from maemo website Dec 29 22:42:45 in nitdroid page Dec 29 22:42:53 it says flash custom 8gb apps Dec 29 22:42:55 beford: flashing eMMC hardly bricks the device - actually N900 is (almost) unbrickable Dec 29 22:43:10 I said could :3 Dec 29 22:43:11 EEEEK Dec 29 22:43:11 :P Dec 29 22:43:29 stay away from nitdroid Dec 29 22:43:31 ! Dec 29 22:43:37 whyy ?! Dec 29 22:43:54 becuase it gets you where you are now ;-P Dec 29 22:44:12 :S Dec 29 22:44:45 you can't flash random crap to eMMC Dec 29 22:44:55 (you MUST flash rootfs as well, when flashing eMMC (because of /opt deletion) Dec 29 22:45:04 you need to flash latest official Nokia EMMC image Dec 29 22:45:26 the you *need* to flash COMBINED, after flashing EMMC Dec 29 22:45:35 then* Dec 29 22:45:40 see: Dec 29 22:45:44 ~flash Dec 29 22:45:45 well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 29 22:45:53 i got a headache guys Dec 29 22:45:59 didn't get anything Dec 29 22:46:10 stupid me :S Dec 29 22:46:11 read that link! read ALL OF IT Dec 29 22:46:26 flash original NOKIA stuff Dec 29 22:46:30 I suppose the phone is not starting now, does it? Dec 29 22:46:44 as adviced on that page I gave the link above Dec 29 22:46:49 is there a link ? my Product ID not valid Dec 29 22:47:00 WUT? Dec 29 22:47:01 no it doesn't start anymore Dec 29 22:47:29 product id to get the firmware? its the wlan mac if I remember correctly, get it from your phone Dec 29 22:47:38 IMEI Dec 29 22:47:48 :" Dec 29 22:47:54 i know here it is not working lool Dec 29 22:47:58 I have not flashed in a while Dec 29 22:48:01 where* Dec 29 22:48:37 Guest29093: sorry, please be more elaborate and specific on your questions/problem-descriptions/etc Dec 29 22:48:46 make sure you are not trying to download n8x0 firmware with you n900 imei .. Dec 29 22:49:06 it's all on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 29 22:49:20 incl right URL to get flasher tool and firmware images Dec 29 22:49:22 oh oh stupid me i wrote the code with slashes "/" lol Dec 29 22:49:47 which firmware image should i download ? Dec 29 22:49:55 *latest* Dec 29 22:50:04 see right col Dec 29 22:50:12 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 29 22:50:52 and the COMBINED, also latest Dec 29 22:51:23 preferably international version, unless you definitely need a localized version Dec 29 22:52:15 so 2 files ? Dec 29 22:52:19 yes Dec 29 22:52:59 got rid of rdesktop, smplayer and symfonie. now i have 258.2 MB available. not much difference. Dec 29 22:53:05 usually you don't want nor need to reflash VANILLA, but since you already did, you now have to finish that job Dec 29 22:53:16 something else is filling Dec 29 22:53:25 try df -h from xterminal Dec 29 22:53:48 DocScrutinizer: is there another way to make more memory available for installable applications? Dec 29 22:54:05 Why do you think you need more? Dec 29 22:54:06 thats what i was trying to do Dec 29 22:54:06 first find out about true free space Dec 29 22:54:17 cuz of nitdroid Dec 29 22:54:39 Guest29093: yes, and that'S absolutely correct Dec 29 22:55:20 the device has 2.70GB available Dec 29 22:55:41 JakDaRippa: nope Dec 29 22:55:42 just thought i was running low. device seems a little slow these days Dec 29 22:55:52 there's no such thing as "the device" Dec 29 22:56:19 there's /, /home, MyDocs Dec 29 22:56:24 my nokia n900 is running slower these days (or so it seems) Dec 29 22:56:40 ah, oki Dec 29 22:57:11 after i download the 2 files and put'em in the file.. what command should i use ? Dec 29 22:57:50 JakDaRippa: df -h /home Dec 29 22:57:57 JakDaRippa: df -h / Dec 29 22:57:59 both Dec 29 22:58:06 with -R or without ? Dec 29 22:58:22 paste the 2 result lines here (not the headers please) Dec 29 22:59:17 Guest29093: please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting Dec 29 22:59:34 saw this i've got a monkey brain i don't understand Dec 29 22:59:40 7th bullit there Dec 29 22:59:40 need someone to tell me everything lol Dec 29 22:59:53 which line am i looking for to paste? there's alot of info here Dec 29 23:00:06 how can i use the modded 8gb emmc image ? Dec 29 23:00:08 JakDaRippa: df -h / Dec 29 23:00:16 gives you like 3 lines output Dec 29 23:00:34 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2,0G 743M 1,2G 39% /home Dec 29 23:00:43 jsut did that. gave me about 15 lines of info Dec 29 23:00:46 ok Dec 29 23:00:55 actually 2 per cmd Dec 29 23:01:09 you paste the 2nd for each of / and /home Dec 29 23:01:19 bbiam Dec 29 23:03:13 ./devmmcblk0p1 27.2G 24.5G 2.7G 90% /home/user/MyDocs Dec 29 23:04:11 hmm, means your MyDocsw is full with (probably) media Dec 29 23:04:21 not relevant here though Dec 29 23:04:40 please do df -h / Dec 29 23:04:45 with a / Dec 29 23:05:05 then do df -h /home Dec 29 23:05:39 none of both gives you more than 2 lines output Dec 29 23:06:28 rootfs 227.8M 133.2M 90.3M 60% / Dec 29 23:06:43 that's pretty good Dec 29 23:06:47 ohhhh i understand now :D Dec 29 23:07:05 \o/ Dec 29 23:07:33 dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 1.7G 169.9M 91% /home Dec 29 23:07:56 crowded but not yet crirical Dec 29 23:08:22 i will download vanilla and emmc then use the command without -R cuz i will flash the emmc that i download, right guys ? Dec 29 23:08:37 right Dec 29 23:08:41 almost Dec 29 23:08:53 horray my brain start working Dec 29 23:09:05 you never use -R when using the method at end of page Dec 29 23:09:22 it also states this Dec 29 23:09:34 i have p90x and p90x2 on here, so that's all the media data you see Dec 29 23:09:49 btw vanilla and emmc are other names for same thing Dec 29 23:10:14 how the flasher gonna recognize the emmc file ? Dec 29 23:11:08 by the command you give it the name of the vanilla aka emmc .bin file Dec 29 23:11:52 the command gives it only the COMBINED file Dec 29 23:12:11 flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 29 23:12:30 no, you first give command with VANILLA, then do same procedure again with COMBINED Dec 29 23:12:50 i have to do it twice ? Dec 29 23:13:00 please refer to URL I gave you Dec 29 23:13:06 yes Dec 29 23:13:19 for eMMC and rootfs Dec 29 23:13:19 man i read everything in the link 100 times Dec 29 23:13:30 thank you guys Dec 29 23:13:31 english is not my native lang Dec 29 23:13:46 have a safe and happy holiday Dec 29 23:14:00 DocScrutinizer51 Dec 29 23:18:32 just last qustion Dec 29 23:18:51 The flash will take a minute or so. Switch off device by shortly removing battery Dec 29 23:19:02 how can i switch it off ? it won't work using the power button Dec 29 23:20:21 loool by shortly removing battery okk xD **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 30 02:59:57 2011