**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 03 02:59:57 2012 Jan 03 11:27:27 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/03/raspberry_pi_auction/ Jan 03 11:28:53 Crazy people Jan 03 11:30:04 And the funny thing is, it is not even Cortex-based. Runs on a cheapo ARM11 Jan 03 11:34:05 arm cortex has no mmu Jan 03 11:34:11 or at least not one capable of linux Jan 03 11:37:16 which cortex? M3? Jan 03 11:37:54 Speed: OMAP3 andOMAP4 are both cortex based and have MMUs that satisfy Linux well enough Jan 03 11:38:47 * SpeedEvil thought otherwise. Jan 03 11:38:48 Meh. Jan 03 11:39:30 May have thought of some different cortex, like M3 for example Jan 03 11:40:05 possibly Jan 03 11:40:15 Arm are very silly with versioning. Jan 03 11:40:42 Well, there is ISA generation and then there is part generation Jan 03 11:40:54 Cortexes are ARMv7 ISA Jan 03 11:41:10 I mean the v7 / ARM9 marketing Jan 03 11:41:11 forex Jan 03 11:41:29 ARM11 is ARMv6 ISA Jan 03 11:41:36 ARM9 is ARMv5 ISA Jan 03 11:41:39 yeah Jan 03 11:41:41 exactly Jan 03 11:41:43 ARM7 is ARMv4 ISA Jan 03 11:42:46 If you see ARM this is a pre-Cortex part number and the first digits mean its generation (ARM7xx, ARM9xx, ARM11xx), the remaining digits map to onboard features Jan 03 11:43:07 And the letters that come afterwards map to ISA features (such as J for Jazelle, T for Thumb, etc) Jan 03 12:40:48 does bootmenu have a -v flag or so? white-screen "booting off mmcblk0p1..." hang is uninformative Jan 03 12:42:39 i had this prob once before, and forget how i fixed it Jan 03 12:42:48 might have been as trivial as toggling rd-mode status Jan 03 12:43:06 or is U-boot the way to go now. it looks more maintained Jan 03 12:46:50 had to modprobe ext3 before maemo would mount my debian, so i half-wonder if its a catch22 with not having ext3 module due to unmount but i thought it would just mount journal-les was ext2 but without ay sort of verbose boot i have no clue whats going on Jan 03 12:47:28 apt-get install bootmenu-n900 fails before even the fetch stage, and who knows if bootmenu package even has thr gith stuff. tried grabbing the former and dpkg -i'ing it, and it appears to be some empty shim/stub package anyways Jan 03 12:48:03 maybe i'm making something too difficult but booting into proper Illume/E17 on Debian on N900 seemed ridiculously easy a year ago. didnt have any issues Jan 03 12:48:38 only thing i changed was mkfs.ext3 using maemo's own tools a giant 32gb partition instead of the 2gb ext2 + 30gb vfat Jan 03 12:48:54 anyone wanna trade for an iPhone ? Jan 03 12:49:11 ive been messing around with linux since slackwar installs on floppy in 1994, but damn if i am not getting tired of it Jan 03 12:54:50 plate: i just migrate from vfat to ext2 (i feel unsafe using ext3 here) plain straight.. Jan 03 12:55:30 my main issue is , genfstab.awk hacks unsuccessful so /opt is on / filling up 256mb already and no app or ~/ storage space Jan 03 12:55:34 and, my debian isnt booting Jan 03 12:55:50 i probaly should have mkfs.ext2'd rather than ext3 also Jan 03 12:55:55 i didnot modified genfstab Jan 03 12:56:17 let me see Jan 03 12:56:50 theres bind-mount /home/opt stuff in in genfstab but it doesnt end up in the autogenerated /etc/fstab, not sure why Jan 03 12:57:25 i think that "if $1 and type 83" is proably gettin thrown, i should check cfdisk and maybe ext2 is diff than ext3, 82 vs 83 or something (or maybe thats swap vs linux-primary) Jan 03 12:57:32 seriously a VGA console so i could tell wtf is wrong would heop a lot :) Jan 03 12:57:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 Jan 03 12:57:50 i vaguely recall getting a full scrolly-verbose-boot somehow once Jan 03 12:58:16 word Jan 03 13:00:33 about verbose boot IIRC there is some issue with framebuffer Jan 03 13:01:37 sed -i 's/\(| 1e\)/\1 |43|83/' /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh <- llz Jan 03 13:01:51 "just sed a shellscript" seems to be the running theme, same w/ genfstab.awk Jan 03 13:01:56 whatever happened to vi /etc/fstab Jan 03 13:02:33 * plate smacks maemo devs, probably long since rehired @ Intel to work on TizenMeegoMoblin V 37 Jan 03 13:04:41 g++ and even large C files (auto parser-generators, scripting-lang-bindings) fill up 256mb of ram and end up thrashhing nicely Jan 03 13:04:54 * plate investigates Archos 4" tablets with Ubuntu out of the box and 1gb of ram Jan 03 13:09:30 expr.c in groonga compiled for 24 hours and never finished, so i finally broke down and setup a cross-compiler just so i can search my emails. Yay yak-shaving Jan 03 13:17:43 what's the correct AGPS server now? supl.google.com? Jan 03 13:19:04 yes Jan 03 13:38:49 Sicelo: thanks Jan 03 14:46:49 ah, rewrote most of /etc/event.d/rcS-late to solve my mounting probs. gotta love a hackable semistandard OS Jan 03 15:56:43 http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/03/asus_asked_to_unlock_eee_pad_transformer_prime_bootloader/ Jan 03 15:57:40 asus_farts_loudly_when_asked_to_unlock_eee_pad_transformer_prime_bootloader Jan 03 16:25:39 ~seen X-Fade Jan 03 16:25:50 x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 20h 39m 8s) #harmattan (2d 20h 39m 8s) #meego (2d 20h 39m 8s), last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. Jan 03 16:51:49 ping baerli Jan 03 17:30:47 ping onion Jan 03 17:34:51 u-boot mmc init = "no mmc found", eMMC (builtin 32gb) is mmcblk0p1 when kernel's loaded, hmm Jan 03 17:35:28 i see a bug about NOLO not having kernel options, or something Jan 03 17:35:36 if i could send root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 i'd be in business Jan 03 17:35:53 /sbin/preinit seems like another hack, to chroot into it and bypass normal hildon-crap from starting up Jan 03 17:36:02 would like to use vanila linux tho eventually Jan 03 17:36:26 http://pkg-n900.alioth.debian.org/kernel/3.1-custom/ Jan 03 17:37:08 but im using a u-boot with pancake patches with a sept 2010 version number Jan 03 17:37:15 Pali: which git repo should i try for a newer u-boot, with your patches? Jan 03 17:37:44 i see about 3-4 diff ml posts and repos and wondering what is what Jan 03 17:38:11 burt: repo http://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot branch pali Jan 03 17:38:17 aye Jan 03 17:38:25 some info is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot.txt Jan 03 17:38:43 would like to use vanila linux tho eventually <-- hmm, have fun and good luck :-). Jan 03 17:38:47 i have a real simpl setup Jan 03 17:39:02 debian on 32g internal flash / Jan 03 17:39:14 ive previously used it with 2.6.28-maemo w/o probs Jan 03 17:39:24 bootmenu decided to break and still fiddling with u-boot Jan 03 17:39:30 doesn't matter, vanila linux kernel won't boot on the N900 I think, at least there is no config for rx51 anymore. Jan 03 17:39:39 looks like basically eveything but GPS is in vanilla now Jan 03 17:39:43 and gps is some userspace serial thing Jan 03 17:40:07 eg, that 3.1 on alioth probably supports most eveyrthing, in theory. i have yet ot try it tho Jan 03 17:40:20 see this: http://elinux.org/N900 Jan 03 17:40:31 state of upstreaming n900 drivers Jan 03 17:41:35 looks promising Jan 03 18:18:24 Pali: is * eMMC (working only when commit 02f3029f1810b99869254d0cf0a71946a008a728 is reverted) accurate? Jan 03 18:18:30 im wondering to try commit before that, or HEAD Jan 03 18:19:37 burt: HEAD should be working Jan 03 18:19:42 ok Jan 03 18:19:57 similar commit is in master now Jan 03 18:21:38 burt, eMMC is fixed in commit afd5932b2c27c750ba7dbe39125916a45d2e1c13 Jan 03 18:22:25 good to hear Jan 03 18:22:40 cloning taking a while, i'll try it out Jan 03 18:26:07 pali pushed 628 commits to u-boot-shr/u-boot:master <- hardcore Jan 03 18:26:41 burt, that repo is also mirror of u-boot master repository (master branch) Jan 03 18:27:33 so when I rebasing patches on u-boot master, I need to push also u-boot master Jan 03 18:28:25 must be busy w/ all ARM devices coming lately Jan 03 19:10:31 Hm, I just installed u-boot and my n900 won't properly boot anymore Jan 03 19:10:39 Even staying in u-boot, it will quickly shut down Jan 03 19:10:43 cool Jan 03 19:10:46 watchdog i think Jan 03 19:10:58 you can disable hw-watchdog with flasher Jan 03 19:11:09 right, so watchdag after all Jan 03 19:11:10 OK Jan 03 19:11:54 i used instructions at https://elektranox.org/n900/kernel/uboot.html to 'mux' together a legcy maemo kernel Jan 03 19:11:57 dog* Jan 03 19:12:00 that part worked, it falls back Jan 03 19:15:56 bru, in my u-boot branch is watchdog problem fixed Jan 03 19:19:16 i think i needed https://elektranox.org/n900/files/uboot/patches/0004-Nokia-RX-51-aka-N900-support.patch still? Jan 03 19:19:20 unless its hiding under a diff name Jan 03 19:23:30 well that patch is broken Jan 03 19:23:42 board.c:270:18: error: 'CONFIG_SYS_INIT_SP_ADDR' undeclared (first use in this function) Jan 03 19:23:53 can i just pass root= to a NOLO/whatever kernel somehow Jan 03 19:24:02 im cool w/ using 2.6.28-maemo on debian for now Jan 03 19:24:13 yes Jan 03 19:25:10 flasher-3.5 -l -k yourkernel -b"[kerneloptions]" Jan 03 19:25:56 heh Jan 03 19:26:04 yeah, but can i put it onto the device Jan 03 19:26:07 oh, maybe that does Jan 03 19:32:58 bru, all rx51 patches are in that repo on gitorious Jan 03 19:33:10 no external patches are needed Jan 03 20:07:51 Well, after disabling the watchdog, at least u-boot isn't turned off, but it won't even boot to maemo Jan 03 20:08:34 It just says ``Starting kernel'', and then just stops Jan 03 20:12:48 hm, I think it boots with no arguments Jan 03 20:40:19 maybe i'm just dumb, but this is way too difficult Jan 03 20:41:02 noloboot is somehow failing/rebooting 10s in, immcboot is throwin what looks like shell script errors Jan 03 20:41:20 maybe i'll dist-upgrade to that CSSU stuff and see if any of the hildon-home memleaks and VOIP bugs are gone Jan 03 20:41:34 after reflashing for the 1207th time Jan 03 20:42:48 at least this PAli u-boot has a grub-esque shell, so its easier to mess w Jan 03 20:43:34 maybe if i made a tiny vfat partition the boot.scr would work, saw theres fatload and ext2load, not sure if ext3 poses a problem or not, but most of the binaries seemed hardcoded to fatload boot.scr Jan 03 20:44:25 bru, that script error I fixed but maybe did not pushed into repo Jan 03 20:44:32 oh, im using your binary from Nov 11 Jan 03 20:44:37 so its proably quite old Jan 03 20:44:51 will try compiling once i can boot back into the thing ;) Jan 03 20:44:51 bru, noloboot - did you created combinated u-boot binary Jan 03 20:45:15 ah, ok script error I fixed in december Jan 03 20:52:39 bru: voip bugs as in not working sip? Jan 03 20:53:46 green dot goes away after 30 mins, tried every keepalive option Jan 03 20:54:00 error is "invalid user/pass" or something. but then edit/save config w/o changes and green-dot reappearas Jan 03 20:54:13 oh that's odd Jan 03 20:54:45 i use ekiga w/ the same provider, voip.ms w/o probs Jan 03 20:54:46 in relation to cssu I only know the bug where you get no sip at all anymore because for some fsckd reson apt believes it has to remove rtcom-voip-support upon installing cssu Jan 03 20:55:03 so im just trying to boot Debian/E17/Illume/Chromium/Ekiga which i already have tweaked out by chrooting into it from maemo Jan 03 20:55:28 so in over my head w/ FIASCO images atm Jan 03 20:57:19 well depending on what you break you can always flash only parts of the FIASCO image Jan 03 20:57:30 Is anyone here using u-boot to boot maemo? Jan 03 20:57:39 Wizzup: I did some time ago Jan 03 20:57:49 But not anymore? Jan 03 20:58:02 currently have a stock kernel on the flash Jan 03 20:58:11 but what is your problem? Jan 03 20:58:28 I installed u-boot from extras-devel via HAM, reboot brings up uboot Jan 03 20:58:40 that's expected Jan 03 20:58:42 But it doesn't really do anything beside write ``Starting kernel ...'' Jan 03 20:58:49 (I can't boot to maemo) Jan 03 20:59:04 did you try to type "run noloboot" in the uboot terminal? Jan 03 20:59:10 yeah Jan 03 20:59:33 It finds the kernel image, loads it, but stops after ``Starting kernel ...'' Jan 03 20:59:57 I had the right power kernel installed when I installed u-boot as well, so I am not sure what's up Jan 03 21:00:04 Googling doesn't show any similar problems Jan 03 21:00:13 well which power kernel did you have and which uboot did you install? Jan 03 21:00:47 46, and uhm. The only one from HAM. It is u-boot 2010.06 Jan 03 21:01:48 At this point I'd be happy just to somehow remove u-boot again, if I can just boot back to my maemo ;) Jan 03 21:01:57 Wizzup: that's easy Jan 03 21:02:11 but just to make this clear, there are 2 packages for u-boot in the repo Jan 03 21:02:23 uboot-pr13 which only works with stock kernel Jan 03 21:02:30 and uboot-power wich works with 46 Jan 03 21:02:39 Mine said it was specifically for 46 Jan 03 21:03:38 Wizzup: do you have flasher somewhere? Jan 03 21:03:41 yep Jan 03 21:03:57 you can simply flash the kp46 onto the n900 to boot back to maemo Jan 03 21:04:06 Where do I find the image? Jan 03 21:04:23 Sorry for being such a noob Jan 03 21:05:29 hm I wonder how you installed kernel power Jan 03 21:05:33 it's missing in the repos Jan 03 21:06:04 I think from extras-testing Jan 03 21:06:32 there only is 42 49 34 37 40 and 42 Jan 03 21:06:35 but no 46 Jan 03 21:06:43 do you have any idea which kernel you installed? Jan 03 21:06:56 because we need the exact same one :/ Jan 03 21:07:10 I Jan 03 21:07:15 'm pretty sure it is 46 Jan 03 21:07:39 u-boot also shows that it is loading 46 Jan 03 21:07:46 or, trying to load anyway. Jan 03 21:08:09 Why would I need the exact version, btw? Jan 03 21:08:23 because there are symlinks to the current installed kernel for kernel modules Jan 03 21:08:34 and that fucks you up if you use the wrong kernel Jan 03 21:08:36 And those are required to boot? Jan 03 21:08:41 yes Jan 03 21:09:15 the problem is that the "run noloboot" kernel is included in the uboot package and it appears the power kernel in the repo is not avaiable anymore Jan 03 21:09:21 how did you install the kernel? Jan 03 21:09:23 apt-get or ham? Jan 03 21:09:36 I did that over a year ago, I really don't recall how Jan 03 21:11:15 Couldn't I just try several methods? Jan 03 21:12:50 well ofc you can just flash kernel after kernel untill it boots :D Jan 03 21:13:16 yeah. I'll try that ;) Jan 03 21:13:53 So how exactly do I flash the kernel? Jan 03 21:13:54 though I gess the best idea would be to write nemo to an mircosd, load the nemo kernel, mount the maemo rootfs and inspect the dpkg status files Jan 03 21:14:14 and then just flash the appropriate kernel Jan 03 21:14:23 I tried loading nemo Jan 03 21:14:34 I suppose I could try again Jan 03 21:14:37 It didn't pick up the mmc card Jan 03 21:17:09 I suggest you redo writing the sd with dd Jan 03 21:18:36 can nemo actually mount the maemo rootfs? Jan 03 21:18:41 Most likely Jan 03 21:18:57 last time I checked it was named "meego-ce", and it couldn't Jan 03 21:19:15 NIN101: meego-ce could too Jan 03 21:19:23 * merlin1991 needs to go digging for the right commands Jan 03 21:19:34 I know the commands Jan 03 21:20:57 well it could maybe, IIRC only read only Jan 03 21:21:25 I remember that gary did mount rootfs to import contacts for example Jan 03 21:21:29 I used the meeo-ce kernel to create some supercool initrd, and had to recompile their kernel cause it couldn't really write to NAND Jan 03 21:21:31 and all we need here is read access :D Jan 03 21:21:40 :-) Jan 03 21:24:05 http://216.189.8.164/N900/rescueOS/ still, if one feels comfortable in tty, I think this is a more suiteable solution. Jan 03 21:24:28 I am comfortable in tty's, generally Jan 03 21:24:29 no need to write anything to sd etc. Jan 03 21:25:43 NIN101: so it basically is a kernel with a bit of stuff atached to access the rootfs? Jan 03 21:25:57 kernel, cramfs initrd. Jan 03 21:27:44 bash, busy eh messybox, wireless-tools, e2fsprogs etc. Jan 03 21:28:32 Wizzup: I suggest you load the thing and just check where /lib/modules/current on the rootfs points to Jan 03 21:28:54 then you can flash the appropriate kernel and be happy :) Jan 03 21:29:06 So boot rescueOS? Jan 03 21:29:19 yea Jan 03 21:29:55 if you have enough battery, because it doesn't charge it automatically. Jan 03 21:30:27 and if it drains, it didn't rescue but fscked you, hahaha :-). Jan 03 21:30:35 I have an another battery, and a friend who has a n900 Jan 03 21:30:44 Unless we're not talking n900 battery Jan 03 21:31:02 ok then no problem. Jan 03 21:31:20 I suggest you got the route of "botoing the initrd" as in the documention Jan 03 21:31:38 i have so amny $4 chinese devices that auto-charge on USB. its kindof insulting N900 doesnt Jan 03 21:33:17 Wizzup: did you try flasher -f -R -k u-boot+kp49.bin using http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot+kp49.bin Jan 03 21:33:33 i got it's PR1.3 bin going fairly easily Jan 03 21:33:40 not yet, but thanks for the option Jan 03 21:33:46 I will after I try re-dd'ing NEMO Jan 03 21:33:54 * bru googles nemo n900 Jan 03 21:34:05 though that would only help if you have kp49 installed on the rootfs Jan 03 21:34:12 Wizzup: jsut get the rescueos Jan 03 21:34:33 load the initrd in ram, and check where /lib/modules/current points to Jan 03 21:34:43 in a few minutes :-) Jan 03 21:34:45 after that you can either flash the kernel or the fitting uboot Jan 03 22:04:43 merlin1991: NEMO is booting :) Jan 03 22:04:48 nice one Jan 03 22:17:46 merlin1991: where can I find the rootfs? Jan 03 22:18:10 damn it nin101 is not with us anymore Jan 03 22:18:59 (in NEMO) Jan 03 22:19:00 Wizzup: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73751 might be of help Jan 03 22:19:42 though the guys over in #nemomobile for sure can help you Jan 03 22:39:17 *chuckle* I noticed there's a Battery Patch For Unstable Devices now in extras-devel. Jan 03 22:39:34 I'm thinking of the advertising world's meaning of "for" here. Jan 03 22:46:11 what is "for unstable devices" meant to mean in your sentence Raimu? Jan 03 22:49:21 Wizzup: any luck trying it yourself? Jan 03 22:54:08 merlin1991: As in "Dentaflush - for whiter teeth!" Jan 03 22:54:59 Causal chain instead of targeting. :P Jan 03 22:55:09 Just cracked a bad joke, sorry. Jan 03 23:14:04 merlin1991: atm in rescueOS Jan 03 23:15:24 merlin1991: It is 2.6.28.10-power46 Jan 03 23:15:31 sure? Jan 03 23:15:57 yes. Jan 03 23:16:01 or rather how did you check? Jan 03 23:16:08 ls -l /mnt/maemo/lib/modules/current Jan 03 23:16:26 okay Jan 03 23:16:32 So what's next :-) Jan 03 23:16:36 * Wizzup really appreciates the help Jan 03 23:16:40 check if you still have the .deb in apt-archives Jan 03 23:16:54 Where are these? Jan 03 23:17:12 I'm in a very limited shell Jan 03 23:17:29 /var/cache ? Jan 03 23:17:30 not on the rootfs but on the /opt partition Jan 03 23:17:40 originally in /var/cache/apt/archives Jan 03 23:17:44 but that is on opt Jan 03 23:18:18 so /dev/mmcb1k0p2 Jan 03 23:20:11 err sry /dev/mmcblk1p1 Jan 03 23:20:40 actually I'm starting to question myself Jan 03 23:20:42 nfc where Jan 03 23:20:59 Wizzup: let me check if I still have the pk binary on my old dev notebook Jan 03 23:21:00 I don't think it is there, on opt Jan 03 23:22:00 and shut down rescue os since it does not charge the battery Jan 03 23:22:17 * Wizzup did Jan 03 23:22:42 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/modules/2.6.28.10power46/ 500... Jan 03 23:23:04 It's empty on google cache Jan 03 23:23:11 gotta love 500s :D Jan 03 23:23:27 just give me a few mins so I can check Jan 03 23:23:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8Lc7-8Tbo < Cellular protocol stacks for Internet - GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSPA demystified [28C3] Jan 03 23:23:49 This talk is aimed to give an in-depth explanation how the lower layer protocols on the air and wired interfaces for packet data services in cellular networks are structured. Jan 03 23:23:49 For 2.5/2.75G, this includes RLC/MAC, NS, BSSGP, LLC, SNDCP, GTP For 3G/3.5G, this includes RRC, RLC, PDCP, NBAP, RANAP Jan 03 23:24:36 damn don't have the zimage anymore Jan 03 23:24:51 anybody with power kernel 46 in here? Jan 03 23:25:27 I could try to change the symlink Jan 03 23:26:12 although I don't believe there is another one Jan 03 23:26:22 Wizzup: you could try to adjust symlink and possible other symlinks and flash the stock kernel Jan 03 23:27:13 Pali ping Jan 03 23:27:25 will do this then, I suppose Jan 03 23:32:12 I have these: Jan 03 23:32:12 2.6.28-omap1 Jan 03 23:32:12 2.6.28.10maemo-omap1 Jan 03 23:32:12 2.6.28.10power46 Jan 03 23:32:24 Any of those have avail. archives? Jan 03 23:33:20 the first one Jan 03 23:33:30 (that's stock image) Jan 03 23:33:44 do you have sed vi or nano avaiable? Jan 03 23:33:50 vi Jan 03 23:34:33 what I saw from power kernel packaging it also edits /sbin/preinit Jan 03 23:34:41 and adjusts the modules path there Jan 03 23:35:08 no Jan 03 23:35:10 it uses uname -r Jan 03 23:35:37 so change symlink? Jan 03 23:35:42 hm Jan 03 23:35:47 the stock line is MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/current Jan 03 23:35:49 I don't think I need to change the symlink Jan 03 23:35:56 well, it's not now Jan 03 23:36:01 uname -r corresponds to kernel version Jan 03 23:36:04 I know Jan 03 23:36:06 so I think it will always pick proper kernel Jan 03 23:36:12 no need to change symlink even :) Jan 03 23:36:19 then get out of rescue os Jan 03 23:36:22 :D Jan 03 23:36:29 do you have a pr.13 image? Jan 03 23:36:35 (fiasco that is) Jan 03 23:36:43 I could probably get it Jan 03 23:36:51 it's quite big though Jan 03 23:37:10 just to use the kernel from it :D Jan 03 23:37:13 ok. Jan 03 23:37:40 still the best source though Jan 03 23:38:06 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jan 03 23:38:16 get the pr 1.3 image Jan 03 23:39:11 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jan 03 23:39:13 and flash it with "flasher-3.5 -F PATHTOIMAGE -f --flash-only=kernel Jan 03 23:39:43 Wizzup: that's the one Jan 03 23:40:59 or if you don't trust the --flash-only Jan 03 23:41:11 unpack it with flasher-3.5 -F PATHTOIMAGE -u Jan 03 23:41:32 and then flash the kernel with "flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f" Jan 03 23:41:49 and generally when flashing you can add -R so it automatically reboots and ties to boot .D Jan 03 23:41:53 I think the flash only Jan 03 23:41:56 The wiki recommends it Jan 03 23:43:42 well both ways are equivalent Jan 03 23:43:44 :D Jan 03 23:44:06 only that unpacking leaves a huge mess in your filesystem :P Jan 03 23:44:30 I've never thought I'd be happy to see the nokia hands Jan 03 23:44:55 You've been a terrific help Jan 03 23:45:04 If it matters, my name is also merlin, only I am born in 1990 ;) Jan 03 23:45:29 well merlin is only my nick Jan 03 23:45:32 Right Jan 03 23:45:35 I think you told me before. Jan 03 23:45:39 you can whois me for the real name :D Jan 03 23:45:40 but, like a year ago Jan 03 23:45:40 and yes :D Jan 03 23:46:00 well, I suppose I should reinstall a newer power kernel.. Jan 03 23:46:19 if you need to have all the fancy power kernel extras, yes :D Jan 03 23:46:46 I really like the mobile hotspot Jan 03 23:47:00 power kernel it is then :D Jan 03 23:47:10 I think the current power kernel in -devel is 49 Jan 03 23:47:39 though no uboot for that Jan 03 23:47:48 what did you want todo with uboot anyway? Jan 03 23:48:05 Try NEMO Jan 03 23:48:18 hehehe Jan 03 23:48:24 why didn't you just load the nemo kernel Jan 03 23:48:25 :D Jan 03 23:48:31 So I should switch to extras-devel, install pk and then remove extras-devel again Jan 03 23:48:45 flasher-3.5 -l -k nemoimage -b Jan 03 23:48:52 and nemo boots without touching your installed kernel :D Jan 03 23:49:19 yeah or leave -devel on and think twice when updating Jan 03 23:49:27 maybe :3 Jan 03 23:49:35 dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"QUESTION?" uint32:'''4''' string:"OK" Jan 03 23:49:39 :-D Jan 03 23:49:56 DocScrutinizer: that seems slightly random Jan 03 23:50:06 unless ofc you want to ask a question :D Jan 03 23:50:06 kudos peterleinchen Jan 03 23:50:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Phone_control&diff=0&oldid=46048 Jan 03 23:50:30 I thought loading the kernel stopped working since it got bigger Jan 03 23:50:41 beford: it still works for me Jan 03 23:51:10 I guess its smaller now (?) Jan 03 23:51:23 no idea Jan 03 23:51:38 all I know is, that I could load the latest nemo without any problems Jan 03 23:51:58 well I've certainly learned something today Jan 03 23:52:28 never ever touch the kernel before you got backups? :D Jan 03 23:52:39 well, no Jan 03 23:52:43 about maemo Jan 03 23:53:02 and I thought it was something of substance ;) Jan 03 23:53:11 I find it very useful Jan 03 23:53:22 and nemo was ... fun Jan 03 23:53:32 Didn't feel too mature yet, but it can certainly do something Jan 03 23:53:55 I think the phone is still in R&D mode Jan 03 23:53:58 The keyboard looks all fancy Jan 03 23:54:16 that could be R&D Jan 03 23:54:18 anyway you don't want to *remove* devel catalog, disabling it will suffice Jan 03 23:54:20 I should probably enable the watchdogs too Jan 03 23:54:34 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I just did s/testing/devel/ in HAM :) Jan 03 23:55:06 can I just ... reisntall the power kernel in HAM? Jan 03 23:55:10 wow, I'm typing blind Jan 03 23:55:13 I'm asking way too many questionss Jan 03 23:55:21 You should blank your keyboard Jan 03 23:55:31 It's amazing how easy it is to type blind Jan 03 23:55:45 yoi want to click on that link in Jan 03 23:56:00 what link? Jan 03 23:56:03 ~krtppös Jan 03 23:56:17 ~jrtools Jan 03 23:56:25 I see none Jan 03 23:56:27 dang Jan 03 23:56:40 DocScrutinizer: you really didn't post a link :D Jan 03 23:56:49 orly Jan 03 23:57:01 the latest power kernel is 49 Jan 03 23:57:02 Wizzup: just disable testing and add -devel Jan 03 23:57:07 * Wizzup updates Jan 03 23:57:13 and install your happy power kernel Jan 03 23:57:21 hehe Jan 03 23:57:24 it wants me to remove uboot first Jan 03 23:57:26 * Wizzup does Jan 03 23:57:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Jan 03 23:57:51 jsut watch out that uboot remove does not reflash yet another kernel Jan 03 23:58:13 I'll just not reboot Jan 03 23:58:14 :3 Jan 03 23:58:25 nah you should be fine Jan 03 23:58:46 DocScrutinizer: I still don't get it why you would add -testing and -devel unless you have some apt-pinning black magic Jan 03 23:58:57 otherwise I don't see the point of -testing Jan 03 23:59:10 hmm Jan 03 23:59:14 yeah Jan 03 23:59:32 probably to jeep it enabled Jan 03 23:59:37 keep Jan 03 23:59:45 while disabling devel Jan 04 00:00:16 as with devel HAM becomes unbearable Jan 04 00:00:16 I bet disabling testing will speed up ham a lil when "updating" there :D Jan 04 00:00:29 devel does Jan 04 00:00:29 or the other way round ofc Jan 04 00:00:46 I have it set up that I have nokia ssu, cssu and -devel Jan 04 00:00:48 Why is it so slow? Jan 04 00:00:50 Just wondering Jan 04 00:00:57 Terrible coding? Jan 04 00:01:02 with devel: 5+ mintes Jan 04 00:01:10 for once it does check more dependencies than apt Jan 04 00:01:14 nah, a lot to do Jan 04 00:01:20 and it also could possibly terrible coding Jan 04 00:01:28 though I never actually looked at the code to blame Jan 04 00:01:48 well, just using apt it's ... fast. Jan 04 00:01:59 and risky Jan 04 00:02:13 I suppose Jan 04 00:02:16 it's building up a dependencies database across *all* packages Jan 04 00:02:29 sounds like my fav. package manager Jan 04 00:02:33 (portage/emerge) Jan 04 00:02:51 YAYX Jan 04 00:02:59 I wonder how far one could cache that database Jan 04 00:03:12 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Jan 04 00:03:14 infobot: welcome back! Jan 04 00:03:15 back!, Sup yo? Jan 04 00:03:44 http://pastebin.com/c5t0wxjJ bots at their best Jan 04 00:04:06 ~jrtools Jan 04 00:04:07 extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 04 00:04:16 for the record Jan 04 00:04:35 also Jan 04 00:04:39 ~poettering Jan 04 00:04:41 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' Jan 04 00:04:56 oops that's been for that other chan Jan 04 00:05:08 yeah, I've been wondering where it aplies Jan 04 00:05:39 Something wrong with lennart? Jan 04 00:07:04 pulse audio Jan 04 00:07:19 let the bashing begin ;) Jan 04 00:07:30 nah, just he's acting like a turd whenever I see that video of CCC, and he's responsible^W to blame for PA, avahi, systemd... probably some other crap too Jan 04 00:07:43 * Wizzup uses PA Jan 04 00:08:01 power kernel is updated Jan 04 00:08:03 let's reboot Jan 04 00:08:23 hope you also updated the modules, or - better - used HAM Jan 04 00:08:33 I used HAM Jan 04 00:08:37 good Jan 04 00:09:02 /lib/modules# ls -ld current Jan 04 00:09:02 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 1 17:05 current -> 2.6.28.10-power49 Jan 04 00:10:06 looks good Jan 04 00:10:16 nur mut zum boot Jan 04 00:11:00 (german hacker grannies' saying) Jan 04 00:11:22 I'll file that under famous last words Jan 04 00:11:28 hehe Jan 04 00:12:29 kinda like when I wanted to install archlinux and said, hey I don't have a cd at hand, but reformatting swap and putting the install disk content there and boot from the should be sufficient, right? Jan 04 00:12:43 I nearly did that once, but for gentoo Jan 04 00:12:50 on a remote server Jan 04 00:12:53 it failed miserably Jan 04 00:13:02 no :3 Jan 04 00:13:09 oh Jan 04 00:13:13 2 days later I got a cd Jan 04 00:13:23 Should've installed gentoo Jan 04 00:15:08 Thanks for the help, be back later Jan 04 02:18:09 hi I'm having trouble compiling scratchbox2 on a fedora14 box. My attempt is here: http://fpaste.org/r1S9/ Any ideas? (last line is luaif/luaif.c: In function ‘lua_sb_path_exists’:) Jan 04 02:24:04 lsls Jan 04 02:36:34 how do i copy links into my skype dialogue box? Jan 04 02:37:16 or paste them, rather Jan 04 02:39:00 typically Ctrl+V or tap-hold or a menu option Jan 04 02:40:28 i tried the ctrl v Jan 04 02:40:43 no menu option to speak of Jan 04 02:40:47 found it odd Jan 04 02:42:15 ok, seems to work now Jan 04 02:42:18 silly ne Jan 04 02:42:21 *me Jan 04 02:55:20 uhm Jan 04 02:55:30 you're supposed to be able to take screenshot out of the box with ctrl+shift+p? Jan 04 02:56:19 oh lol Jan 04 02:56:26 i used ctrl+fn **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 02:59:58 2012