**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 13 02:59:57 2012 Jan 13 03:14:16 Microsoft has wasted no time in revising its Windows Hardware Certification Requirements to effectively ban most alternative operating systems on ARM-based devices that ship with Windows 8.https://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ Jan 13 03:15:08 :/ Jan 13 03:19:21 Frigging hell Jan 13 03:19:24 * robbiethe1st hates MS Jan 13 03:19:58 If for no other reason than they took over Nokia. But for many other reasons as well Jan 13 03:37:32 robbiethe1st: quite well agreed Jan 13 03:45:28 Q: can anyone offer any guidance on how to modify the status string Jan 13 03:45:42 that fremantle uses in rt-comm-presence-ui? Jan 13 03:46:17 i see the file in ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui stores a record of it under the [General] heading Jan 13 03:46:48 but i cannot find source in rt-comm for the '-presence-ui' component Jan 13 03:53:45 maybe /usr/share/locale somewhere, or /usr/lib/ocale Jan 13 04:03:20 when i disconnect all accounts in the statusmenu-presence-ui on n900, update the 'statusmessage' item in ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui.cfg, then go to return from 'offline' to 'busy' in statusmenu-presence-ui Jan 13 04:03:35 the statusmenu app does not seem to re-read the file Jan 13 04:19:49 even after a reboot? Jan 13 04:22:22 if i go offline, Jan 13 04:22:29 then kill hildon-status-menu Jan 13 04:22:34 and wait for watchdog to restart it Jan 13 04:22:55 then_ it will reread the rt-comm config file Jan 13 04:23:39 ..not very clean process, though... Jan 13 04:25:47 hm.. user yoush got to exactly this point on 02-06-2010 , 09:13 AM Jan 13 04:25:59 .. t_t http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43509&highlight=profile+status Jan 13 04:27:18 i deleted all locale files exccept en_US and index stuff Jan 13 04:27:32 but Locale CP is ste to finland, and if i choose EN it reboots entirely, losing the change Jan 13 04:27:44 and, every string on the system is lk_this_yesno Jan 13 04:27:48 even after upgrading to CSSU Jan 13 04:28:01 apt-cache search locale shows all sorts of crap, but im not about to stab in the dark and figure out what is what Jan 13 04:28:12 ive found short symbols are readable after a while Jan 13 04:33:21 so you deleted locales, and you no longer have locales? I'd call that a success Jan 13 04:35:33 en in control panel is probably en_GB Jan 13 04:39:33 CP>Lang&Region>"Device language" does specify #1 as English(United Kingdom) and #2 as English (United States of America) Jan 13 04:39:45 but then again, I have not deleted all my locales.. Jan 13 04:40:56 for rt-comm-presence-ui... i feel like it's unlikely there's going to be anything in gconf Jan 13 04:41:22 since rt-comm is going out of its way to use some .conf file Jan 13 04:42:02 and if there was anything useful to be found from introspecting dbus objects.. i feel like someone out there would have already documented Jan 13 04:42:28 how to set nokia presence UI account 'status message' Jan 13 04:43:30 : \ there has got to be a better way then updating ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui.cfg then restarting _all of hildon-status-menu Jan 13 04:44:22 hopefully something short of decompiling statusmenu presence-ui to learn it's secrets Jan 13 04:44:52 and ptracing to change status Jan 13 04:46:52 well, why should it crash/reboot the entire OS when i pick a locale in the controlpanel Jan 13 04:46:55 sounds like a bug :P Jan 13 04:47:11 im too lazy to find what file theGUI edits Jan 13 04:47:23 dpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt work, cuz dokg-reconfigure doesnt exist Jan 13 04:49:02 ~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg is rewrittenon boot or something? Jan 13 04:49:03 okay, poro Jan 13 04:49:19 infobot: forget ~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg Jan 13 04:49:19 poro: i didn't have anything called '~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg' to forget Jan 13 04:49:32 infobot: forget /.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg Jan 13 04:49:33 poro: i forgot /.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg Jan 13 04:51:16 It wouldn't work anyway, since locales get mostly relocated on first boot Jan 13 04:53:23 ye olde optification Jan 13 04:53:57 re updating status mesasage, does new status from status area menu's availability do anything? Jan 13 05:00:24 poro; it tends to do random things after you delete or modify random things :-) Jan 13 05:04:32 also before you try it, apt-get upgrade will do bad things Jan 13 05:11:11 bit of a touchy subject - is there a way to spoof the imei of an N900 Jan 13 05:11:32 i want to try to get my girlfriend's tracfone sim to work on it, and i hear they lock them to a specific imei Jan 13 05:14:38 you need some kind of flasher box to do this Jan 13 05:15:04 and not the flashing jig kind, the "unlock phone" kind Jan 13 05:15:49 also depends on certain special cmt software and cmt mode to do it, and doing it wrong results in a brick (or a MALF) Jan 13 05:16:07 haven't seen it done on a BB5 generation phone though Jan 13 05:16:14 yeah I haven't either Jan 13 05:16:22 wondering if there may have been a software implementation Jan 13 05:16:27 at least for the N900 :/ Jan 13 05:19:11 nope Jan 13 05:19:30 maemo's communication with mobile stack is very separated Jan 13 05:22:36 oh well Jan 13 05:22:54 guess she's stuck with her crap phone then Jan 13 05:24:46 it's a bit like having a usb modem connected to a laptop Jan 13 05:24:59 except in n900 it's ssi not usb Jan 13 05:25:17 and the modem is inside, not outside :P Jan 13 05:28:18 if she needs a nicer phone, there are many chinadroids with changeable IMEI Jan 13 05:28:31 ...and are pretty unbrickable due to u-boot in rom Jan 13 05:29:37 Hurrian, yes but I have an N900 that isn't in use Jan 13 05:30:19 ah. Jan 13 05:30:47 hmm, i don't see why a carrier would lock SIM cards to certain phones Jan 13 05:30:52 its tracfone Jan 13 05:30:57 its government supported wireless Jan 13 05:31:31 I think Jan 13 05:31:38 so i'm assuming they lock it to shitty phones so that their network which is shittier than at&t's won't keel over? Jan 13 05:31:43 its basically a super basic prepaid service Jan 13 05:31:59 i think they use at&t's network Jan 13 05:32:09 or rather, whatever network has the closest tower that they have deals with Jan 13 05:32:38 she's fine with her tracfone, but she keeps it on silent because she gets a bunch of junk calls a day Jan 13 05:32:55 i wanted to give her the N900 so she could make a whitelist of numbers that ring Jan 13 05:34:43 in the end I may just put her on my plan Jan 13 05:34:49 but I have a special deal going with tmobile Jan 13 05:34:59 N900 is high up on the unbrickable scale :) Jan 13 05:35:20 I have their $60/month unlimited plan Jan 13 05:35:24 that they cancelled after one day Jan 13 05:35:46 ShadowJK: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mtd1 Jan 13 05:36:30 it's not quite clear what the above does, just that it's unsafe Jan 13 05:37:03 doesnt the n900 have a jtag interface? Jan 13 05:37:21 also has a boot rom Jan 13 05:37:55 yeah I dont think there's a way to overwrite that from software Jan 13 05:38:42 You can overwrite nolo though Jan 13 05:38:57 can still be cold flashed though iirc Jan 13 05:39:02 ya Jan 13 05:39:18 the point was, mtd1 can't be remade Jan 13 05:39:29 containts quite a lot of apparently boot critical information Jan 13 05:39:40 Biggest issues generally seem to be beating PC's usb stacks into submission Jan 13 05:39:43 but, if you have a backup, you can probably load a kernel to dd it back Jan 13 05:40:05 but yeah, even if you could completely hose the boot rom, the jtag ports are easily accessable from under the battery Jan 13 05:40:09 and iirc, n900 doesn't have jtag - it's USB Jan 13 05:40:25 I thought it had 2 usb and a serial Jan 13 05:40:38 serial is not necessarily jtag Jan 13 05:40:51 my router has uart, but it's not jtag Jan 13 05:41:15 n900 has 2 usb - the one that breaks easily, and the flasher port Jan 13 05:41:40 there are 3 or 4 ports under the battery Jan 13 05:41:58 the serial port is the one that enables super battery draining, according to flasher-3.5 Jan 13 05:43:05 it may be 3 ports, because two are separated and one isn't Jan 13 05:43:22 there's two 7 pin ports at the bottom and one 14 pin port Jan 13 05:43:51 http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout Jan 13 05:44:27 okay so the 8 pin is USB, makes sense Jan 13 05:44:32 what are the oter 3 ports? Jan 13 05:44:35 *other Jan 13 05:45:08 those are just groups of pins, not ports... Jan 13 05:45:28 8 pins is far too many for one USB port Jan 13 05:46:25 yeah, the 4 ports on the 8 pin are for USB Jan 13 05:46:27 my bad Jan 13 05:48:43 so what are those two groups of pins at the bottom connected to Jan 13 05:56:34 to anything that could be useful. serial ports, reference voltages, usb, sdio, ... and that is only looking at the OMAP3 Jan 13 05:57:15 there could be also other chips that get some of their ports routed there. e.g. the TWL/TPS Jan 13 05:57:55 didn't the schematics leak at some point? you should be able to read it from those Jan 13 09:51:43 Hello i have problem to install as root the fcam-drivers Jan 13 09:52:21 i used command apt-get install fcam-drivers but not working Jan 13 09:53:30 it says that it cannot find files from reposity.maemo.org ? any ide how to solve this? Jan 13 09:58:01 soryy my mistake my wlan connection was not working now i got it! Jan 13 11:20:31 DocScrutinizer, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1147574&postcount=392 Jan 13 11:22:06 Pali: no further info available, all found out by mere deduction. You need RE or in-detail investigations to find out Jan 13 11:24:50 ok Jan 13 11:29:26 Pali: obviously there are several ways to implement that. Rootfs aka lockcode-query-process just has to check if some hash for MyDocs is still matching the actual filesystem. OTOH it's probably advisable to store the actual query=[yes|no] flag on MyDocs or /home as well, as otherwise lockcode got engaged whenever you reflash rootfs, no matter if it been active before rootfs-reflash or not. Then again, we actually seen reports that were like Jan 13 11:29:27 that ("...*started* to ask for lockcode after rootfs reflash...") Jan 13 11:32:08 I gather this "started to ask" will maybe happen when you set a lockcode, then disable it again, *then* reflash rootfs. While default/virgin CAL lockcode HASH "12345" will always cause no query on boot, but obviously no way to restore *that* hash Jan 13 11:33:01 setting lock code is possible only in control panel? Jan 13 11:33:33 if yes, only this cp library can do any change: /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/libcpdevicelock.so Jan 13 11:35:48 no, there is also library /usr/lib/libcodelockui.so.1 Jan 13 11:36:04 which calling program /bin/devlocktool Jan 13 11:38:35 osso-applet-devicelock (1.4.10) unstable; urgency=low Jan 13 11:38:35 * Fixes: NB#153115 - Flashing disables locking Jan 13 11:42:50 :-D Jan 13 11:43:21 now if we could get the patch/source as well... :-) Jan 13 11:45:17 Pali: against which PR was this NB# patch checked in? Jan 13 11:45:35 IOW which PR bersion brought the fix to us? Jan 13 11:45:48 PR1.3? Jan 13 11:46:09 1.4.10 is last version Jan 13 11:46:15 so PR1.3 Jan 13 11:46:42 this is in chanelog file in /usr/share/doc/osso-applet-devicelock/changelog.gz Jan 13 11:50:09 Pali: 2 commands starting with devlock* Jan 13 11:50:16 tool and -blocker Jan 13 11:52:27 ok, I will see on it later. now I'm prepairing for exam (goldberg, dinic algorithm, ...) Jan 13 11:53:12 * DocScrutinizer wishes we could get rid of this docpurge abomination, maybe in CSSU Jan 13 11:54:06 ~ # cat /usr/share/doc/README Jan 13 11:54:07 Purged by docpurge Jan 13 11:54:30 download it from downloads.maemo.nokia.com Jan 13 11:54:39 download what? Jan 13 11:54:44 deb package Jan 13 11:54:54 which one? Jan 13 11:55:05 osso-applet-devicelock Jan 13 11:55:11 nah Jan 13 11:55:21 (which has that changelog) Jan 13 11:55:25 I wanna get rid of docpurge Jan 13 11:55:39 really? not possible Jan 13 11:55:46 you need to create new FW Jan 13 11:55:48 and get all the fine manpages and /usr/share/doc Jan 13 11:55:54 fiasco image Jan 13 11:56:42 anyway, have to run for work, to show I'm showing up despite feeling sick Jan 13 11:56:53 ttyl Jan 13 11:57:32 libdevlock (1.0.9) unstable; urgency=low Jan 13 11:57:32 * Fixes: NB#153115 - Flashing disables locking Jan 13 11:57:38 also PR1.3 Jan 13 12:19:58 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how to change buildserver so docpurge would rum on target (or not, if users decides to disable that) rather than on buildserver Jan 13 12:21:06 hmm, rum Jan 13 12:22:35 freud-typo - I could use some tea with rum for my flu Jan 13 12:22:52 DocScrutinizer51: maybe they could beer it on the target too ;) Jan 13 12:23:43 use sauna and wodka Jan 13 12:23:46 fixes any cold Jan 13 12:23:56 vodka* Jan 13 12:24:05 wodka in dutch Jan 13 12:25:15 i think if you cannot fix a disease with sauna, tar and Vodka, the disease is fatal Jan 13 12:25:57 hi Jan 13 12:40:24 has anybody tried debian based on HURD? Jan 13 12:40:34 or any other hurd based distro? Jan 13 12:40:40 i am curious as to how well it works Jan 13 12:43:50 hi guys! did the Jan 12 meeting push through? where can i find the minutes? Jan 13 12:48:47 DocScrutinizer, doesn't docpurge run on target already? Jan 13 13:29:24 Does anyone know i there are .deb packages anywhere for a uboot that has ext2 patches built into it for maemo? Jan 13 15:29:37 anyone notice microb isn't as stable in cssu? Jan 13 15:41:13 badcloud: nope Jan 13 15:41:53 we had pretty random claims about pretty muc hevery single thing in maemo that "suddenly is worse after cssu" but microb wasn't one of them Jan 13 15:45:54 http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/13/nokia_joins_hands_with_ea_in_major_winpho_game_launch/ Jan 13 15:46:11 and? Jan 13 15:46:21 merlin1991: I see Jan 13 15:47:02 modest has been crashing the $%^& out since and since I found a bug report linking it to cssu, I figured microb might be affected as well Jan 13 15:48:32 Meanwhile: Marines in urination video interviewed! Jan 13 15:50:03 RST38h: glad we cleared that up Jan 13 15:56:38 what, no followup scatology joke? Jan 13 16:06:21 good afternoon, #maemo Jan 13 16:13:08 I am Fatimah Mahamat, a Muslim.I have picked your email address for an Jan 13 16:13:09 inheritance of ¸18.2million Pounds.Please contact me for more details via Jan 13 16:13:09 email Jan 13 16:13:34 Candid, indeed Jan 13 16:15:25 She clearly is desirous of your body. Jan 13 16:16:10 even on her deathbed? cute. Jan 13 16:21:30 mooo javispedro Jan 13 16:21:45 mo. Jan 13 16:34:00 SpeedEvil, considering our hyphotetical knowledge about characteristic of eMMC blocks etc, what is best-performance wise - block and fragment size, while creating ext partition? Jan 13 16:34:27 black humour would tell 256k (joke, of course, due to space savings reasons) Jan 13 16:35:22 Estel_: It's hard to say. Jan 13 16:35:32 I would randomly guess at 8K. Jan 13 16:35:54 thx. Why so? purely /dev/random? Jan 13 16:36:07 on ext4 there's stripe-width btw Jan 13 16:36:12 Bery large blocks waste space. Jan 13 16:36:24 Too small blocks may cause excessive rewrites Jan 13 16:37:20 agreed. Although, it would be fun to see 256k block totally negatining flash erase-write fault, though. Not so funny when having there something else than continous, few-GB archives Jan 13 16:37:34 javispedro, wtf is stripe-width? Jan 13 16:38:33 Estel_: it's best if you google it up as my memory is haze Jan 13 16:38:46 but one of its uses was large erase block sizes Jan 13 16:39:03 true, thx Jan 13 16:39:04 hm Jan 13 16:39:09 hminteresting Jan 13 16:39:29 DocScrutinizer, docpurge is deb package which contains script which apt-get call after package is installed Jan 13 16:39:33 I'm using ext4 for home, easy debian, and g,low-priority truecrypt part Jan 13 16:40:00 DocScrutinizer, changes must be done on device, not on build server Jan 13 16:40:23 I'll google it up - I wonder if it's used by default, or special parametermust be given during mkfs Jan 13 16:41:15 Estel_: mkfs or afterwards via tune2fs Jan 13 16:44:03 I suppose tune2fs shold be used only on unmounted part ;) Goin to recovery console and trying, thanks a lot Jan 13 16:44:27 (due to /home/) Jan 13 17:00:01 Meanwhile: US military access cards cracked by Chinese hackers Jan 13 17:00:19 Pali: thanks Jan 13 17:01:04 lo javispedro Jan 13 17:01:22 DocScrutinizer51, I think that if you remove docpurge package on your n900, then all new installed packages (or reinstalled) will have proper /usr/share/doc//... files Jan 13 17:01:52 \o/ Jan 13 17:02:52 something to look forward to, when home from work Jan 13 17:03:22 Doc: What? =) Jan 13 17:03:31 (just fsckng deinstalled a wrong UBB driver for 3h) Jan 13 17:03:48 on XP Jan 13 17:04:01 basically since 2 days Jan 13 17:04:11 oh Jan 13 17:04:18 funfun Jan 13 17:04:26 2 boards with saame ID here Jan 13 17:05:16 device mgr brainfsckd! Jan 13 17:05:39 ~lart MS Jan 13 17:05:40 * infobot pushes the wall down onto MS whilst whistling innocently Jan 13 17:06:31 work is fun Jan 13 17:07:43 I feel the pain Jan 13 17:07:50 some years ago I was developing some el-cheapo usb headphones using a ezusb and xp as host Jan 13 17:08:36 it was horrible, you could consistently (and unconsistently) confuse xp into the weirdest states possible Jan 13 17:22:30 installing cygwin - thoroughly fed up with redmond bullsh*t Jan 13 17:22:36 any way to make a bluetooth modem sharing WiFi from the N810? Jan 13 17:22:43 cygwin has got its own warts Jan 13 17:33:05 DocScrutinizer, now working on automounting support in ke-recv for usb host mode Jan 13 17:33:42 seems that problem is that ke-recv checking if device is mmc, if not - it is not return error Jan 13 17:34:00 but on next lines there is checking for usb storage device... Jan 13 17:34:51 at least usb storage device in host mode is properly detected by HAL and ke-recv getting event about it Jan 13 17:40:25 also has anybody ever gotten Kismet to work on the N810 with a bluetooth GPS? Jan 13 18:06:01 DocScrutinizer, Nokia disabled usb mounting for FREMANTLE in ke-recv, all code is #ifndef FREMANTLE_MODE Jan 13 18:15:42 :/ Jan 13 18:16:41 Pali: :-S Jan 13 18:17:01 otoh it's maybe nice Jan 13 18:19:08 * DocScrutinizer51 <3 cygwin Jan 13 18:25:47 DocScrutinizer, there is problem with hal Jan 13 18:26:04 hal still has usb host mode a_suspend Jan 13 18:26:13 lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc Jan 13 18:26:24 but cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode show a_host Jan 13 18:26:52 so problem is that maybe kernel does not inform hal about musb changes... Jan 13 18:33:11 Meanwhile: Ringtone causes New York Philharmonic mid-performance strike Jan 13 18:39:03 * RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/vnc# InstalL #PresenceVnc to SharE and ControL any #DeskToP on #HarmattaN #MeeGo or #MaemO #HandSet !n950club !n9 etc Jan 13 18:41:55 uhm Jan 13 18:42:17 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/13/build_star_trek_tricorder_please_ask_x_prize/ <-- hmm Jan 13 18:45:19 ruskie: wth... wow... Jan 13 18:45:37 * Macer installs the maemo tricorder app and goes to collect his xprize Jan 13 19:13:01 Pali, your n900 still on repair? Jan 13 19:13:13 no, I have it back Jan 13 19:13:38 now I'm working on automont in host mode with ke-recv Jan 13 19:14:10 Pali, I confir the bug report on TMO re garbage on screaan Jan 13 19:14:15 confirm* Jan 13 19:14:25 uboot? Jan 13 19:14:36 yeah Jan 13 19:14:40 ok Jan 13 19:15:08 the only time everything is ok is right after power-up Jan 13 19:15:22 didn't test it with boot menu though Jan 13 19:17:19 Meanwhile: Totally Drug-Resistant TB Emerges In India Jan 13 19:19:49 RST38h: we're dooooomed Jan 13 19:20:23 javispedro: notsufficiently doomed by TB Jan 13 19:20:42 javispedro: just rolled back to 1910s Jan 13 19:21:11 javispedro: Now, an air-transmittable strain of syphilis would probably do the job Jan 13 19:22:57 javispedro: Long incubation periods, asymptomatic initial stages, you know... By the time medics find out, there will be a major clusterfuck Jan 13 19:23:54 somehow at this moment I'd wish that deadly air-transmittable totally drug-resistant syphilis was my main problem :D Jan 13 19:24:53 javispedro: you wouldn't Jan 13 19:25:17 At least it'd take time to do its thang Jan 13 19:30:33 RST38h: btw, you saw that the tizen sdk seems to be sb2? Jan 13 19:35:29 javispedro: yeaah, goood mooove =) Jan 13 19:35:42 javispedro: Stskeeps apparently approves too :) Jan 13 19:45:06 DocScrutinizer, automounting in host mode is now working :-) Jan 13 19:46:10 Does anyone know i there are .deb packages anywhere for a uboot that has ext2 patches built into it for maemo? Jan 13 20:06:06 Pali: wow! Jan 13 20:07:34 Pali: how about automounting of e.g. DVD drive? Jan 13 20:07:52 no idea Jan 13 20:08:05 I cannot test it - I do not have any usb DVD drive Jan 13 20:08:35 maybe even auto-switching to proper cursor for mouse, and xkbd layout for kbd Jan 13 20:08:46 ke-recv only listen for hal events, but only mmc and usb events are checked by ke-recv Jan 13 20:09:14 this should be done in other daemon Jan 13 20:09:31 ke-recv can only mount/unmount usb and mmc Jan 13 20:10:14 how do i grep my texts? Jan 13 20:10:32 but CD/DVD will maybe work, usb check is only for storage name Jan 13 20:11:23 if hal send event that optical dist storage was found, ke-recv will try to use & mount it (but it will use default name 'USB device') Jan 13 20:11:59 if hal send correct filesystem, ke-recv will mount it Jan 13 20:12:24 does anyone know where they are stored on the mmc? Jan 13 20:14:12 with texts you mean SMS? Jan 13 20:14:20 NIN101: yes Jan 13 20:14:39 sqlite database in /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger or something Jan 13 20:20:12 NIN101: cool - thanks... Jan 13 20:21:21 anyone in here have any experience with sqlite from QML? Jan 13 21:18:38 hi. I have a (probably) stupid question, but I'll ask anyway. I'd like to set up email and calendar synchronisation on my N900 with gmail/google calendar. I've googled a bit and I've found a number of different applications and guides etc. However I have no idea which ones are the best. Can you please give me some recommendations on what applications to use? Also one thing that I'm wondering is wether or not this is going to cost much diskspace? I Jan 13 21:18:38 'd prefer for the phone not to cache my whole gmail folder or anything like that, just keep the last X days or connect to gmail on the fly? Jan 13 21:35:28 getmail/fetchmail/offflineimap ? Jan 13 21:36:37 use http://repo.or.cz/w/element.git in microb and http://notmuchmail.org/ in xterm myself Jan 13 21:36:53 havent tried the Mameo apps. are they good? Jan 13 21:46:41 I guess that is my question :P I was looking for something which integrates with the rest of the apps such as the mail and calender desktop widgets Jan 13 21:49:32 what exactly is 'element'? Jan 13 21:51:58 aha, found the readme Jan 13 21:52:06 semantic web eh Jan 13 21:54:00 it just turns emails into html, esentially Jan 13 21:54:13 to the extent N900 has a keyboard, mutt/notmuch work fine Jan 13 21:58:00 can you recommend anything not cli ? Jan 13 21:58:07 o.O Jan 13 21:58:09 'not cli' Jan 13 21:58:12 you crazy man Jan 13 22:07:23 there is a time and place for cli, but for me email is not it :) Jan 14 00:08:27 evening, maemo Jan 14 01:35:05 w00t, have You guy been through logs from latest Council meeting with Nokia? Jan 14 01:35:30 the latter peaked @ ignorance, sophism, and lack of respect for Community. Jan 14 01:42:26 nice Jan 14 01:42:35 i never expected much supprot from Nokia when buying n900 Jan 14 01:42:44 forums were filled with 'a770, 810, whatever abandoned comments Jan 14 01:43:18 could not agree with Your taionale Jan 14 01:43:22 the pre-n900 tablets were relatively well supported -- the n900 was pretty much dropped like a rock Jan 14 01:43:35 from N9 users perspective, forum are filled with N900 posts Jan 14 01:43:55 anyway, I don't want support from Nokia as corporation - they can GTFO for me. Jan 14 01:44:13 the n9 seems to be getting the same attention the n900 got -- pr1.1 within a few months. woo. Jan 14 01:44:21 we have much more in common with 770 users, than with usual harmattan kids Jan 14 01:44:26 n9 you know youre gettin an abandoned product Jan 14 01:44:35 @Estel_ : they can gtfo after they give us the source. Jan 14 01:44:37 n900 was being touted as "new strategy" for nokia on debian/gtk OS Jan 14 01:44:57 tbh, I see much *less* knowledge presented amongst N9 users, but, nevermid Jan 14 01:45:17 Hurrian, true, but they wouldn't give us a source, so they could gtfo already Jan 14 01:45:40 Reading about how they think they don't need to ask us if they want to merge us with appsforme pissed me off really. Jan 14 01:46:01 IMO, we should transfer infrastructure earlier, because one day Jan 14 01:46:13 oh god. if we merged with appsforme the repo shitstorm would be massive. Jan 14 01:46:22 we can awake with our infrastructure gone in favor of harmattanish, and next week, winsh|tphone Jan 14 01:46:28 whatever "Appsforme" it sounds more frightening than ovi Jan 14 01:46:41 read ask the council thread pls Jan 14 01:46:52 in latest post I linked to part of logs from meeting Jan 14 01:46:59 logs are relatively short Jan 14 01:47:01 i could care less im never apt-get upgrading my maemo ever Jan 14 01:47:08 and part I'm reffering to is even shorter Jan 14 01:47:32 poro, not everyone is so supercool to not use repos ;) Jan 14 01:47:32 if the HW breaks, i'll buy tizen device if available. or reflash to PR1.3 Jan 14 01:47:41 tizen shitizen Jan 14 01:47:59 good luck with Big Bad Browser, erm, operating system Jan 14 01:48:07 ive got extras-devel extras-testing cssu in sources.list Jan 14 01:48:10 anyway, going back on topic Jan 14 01:48:17 got an interesting new set of quirks on CSSU but my VOIP bugs remain Jan 14 01:48:28 VOIP worksforme Jan 14 01:48:32 ;) Jan 14 01:51:42 @Estel_ ,is moving to appsforme the "solution" to tmo running out of money? Jan 14 01:51:59 does http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges contain wahtever link youre talking about Jan 14 01:52:06 im not seeing anything like "council logs" Jan 14 01:52:31 and maemo isnt exactly open, so i donno why to talk trash about tizen Jan 14 01:52:44 praoblty it will be the same crap, proprietary drivers and fence-drop kernel Jan 14 01:52:48 but at least with omdern hardware going forward Jan 14 01:53:12 and youd honestly have to be insane to write GTK apps for na "app store" and nokia realized that Jan 14 01:53:20 JS/WebOS/HTML5 makes a ton of sense Jan 14 01:53:33 and microb is horrendously out of date,and chromium is not even in any of hte maemo repos Jan 14 01:53:43 so hang onto the past all you want, i'll be happy to leave it Jan 14 01:53:50 cya Jan 14 01:53:57 poro, I'm using chromium as my everyday browser on Maemo Jan 14 01:54:10 ;) Jan 14 01:54:20 Hurrian, no, they just want to suck developers from Maemo Jan 14 01:54:24 to Harmatishit Jan 14 01:54:42 well, it's harder to suck them to winshit, due to framework incompatibility Jan 14 01:54:59 appsforshit is quite like a next step after N950 project Jan 14 01:55:23 the faster we kick out Nokia from Maemo - erm, I meant we move away from Nokia ;) the better Jan 14 01:57:39 @Estel_ , said action requires that we can build a full maemo system from open components Jan 14 01:57:54 still many maemothings that maemowants and are nokiaclosed. Jan 14 01:59:17 yea, but Nokias repos can work without us even linking to it Jan 14 01:59:28 it's just a part of support for device theyMve released Jan 14 01:59:37 if not, we can mirror it without problem Jan 14 01:59:59 if they won't allow us to mirror, well, last resort is P2p sharing of fool-proof local repo with data Jan 14 02:00:20 or repository hosted in some chineese hosting service ;) Jan 14 02:00:26 anyway Jan 14 02:00:44 hosting for community sized like us is 100-150 bucks Jan 14 02:01:09 we dont need many parts from original system. I can live without useless "news" feed from blogs Jan 14 02:01:26 forum is Reggie hosted, but database are ours, I mean forum content Jan 14 02:01:38 we can migrate whenever we want Jan 14 02:01:59 repository - despite cheap, hosting, sticking with Debian is also interesting idea Jan 14 02:02:11 as someone said, they would not even notice our transfer etc Jan 14 02:02:13 preferably, migrate to not vbforum Jan 14 02:02:17 yes Jan 14 02:02:20 some open thing Jan 14 02:02:21 e.g. phpbb Jan 14 02:02:32 if possible without much hassle from vbforum database Jan 14 02:02:44 or simpleforumachine or whatever Jan 14 02:03:11 the converters from vb <> phpbb work well, havent tried them on as large a DB as tmo though Jan 14 02:03:14 No, really, DocScrutinizer is right that we can start literally right now - funds needed are much lower than I expected Jan 14 02:03:25 fundriasing, foundation etc may be achieved later Jan 14 02:03:32 without any legal problems Jan 14 02:04:10