**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 15 02:59:57 2012 Jan 15 03:18:42 Estel_: How did you repartition? Jan 15 03:44:19 SpeedEvil, thanks for clarification Jan 15 03:45:17 AndrewX192, Preferrably, I just connect device in backupmenu's read&write mass storage mode to linuxbox (may be even liveCD/LiveUSB/livewhatever) and repartition from GUI tool Jan 15 03:45:43 hate to do repartition therough terminal, too much error prone Jan 15 03:46:11 especially, that we're working on ones containing data that we like to preserve Jan 15 03:46:23 kde partition manager was working well for me Jan 15 03:49:21 Estel_: Okay, I was going to do the same, but what layout did you do? Jan 15 03:49:30 Is a fat32 MyDocs still a requirement? Jan 15 04:03:19 no, MyDocs, as we talked before, is purely Your choice Jan 15 04:03:37 as for layout I use strange but effective one ;) Jan 15 04:03:47 I use mass storage sometimes, so Jan 15 04:04:22 mmcblk0p1 vfat, p2 ext4(home), p4 is 3GB EasyDebian... Jan 15 04:04:40 p3 is extended partition containing p5 and p6 (truecrypt) Jan 15 04:04:51 and p7 is 200 mb fallback swap Jan 15 04:05:02 normally I use swap on microSD Jan 15 04:05:55 p5 truecrypt is general purpose one, that is mounted all the time - for photos, contacts, and whatever non life-saving thing, that yet I would not like to see in hands of any thief Jan 15 04:06:12 I use it normally, with regular unencrypted swap on microSD enabled Jan 15 04:06:47 p6 is supercool top-secret etc ;) partiton for things like are-51 livestock content Jan 15 04:07:01 seriously though, for really important things Jan 15 04:07:21 I always mount it manually and unmount just after using (no sitting in pocket mounted) Jan 15 04:07:33 hm Jan 15 04:07:53 also, before mounting it I enable *encrypted* emmc swap (this 200mb falback one) Jan 15 04:07:58 disable regular one Jan 15 04:08:11 and, after unmounting, I enable regular and disable encrypted Jan 15 04:08:19 of course all done via script Jan 15 04:08:39 I keep easydebian on my MicroSD card Jan 15 04:08:41 (32GB) Jan 15 04:08:56 so one script encrypting 200mb swap, enabling it, disabling regular one, and mounting p6 (prompting me for password and keyfiles) Jan 15 04:09:04 and another one doing reverse Jan 15 04:09:23 hm, for EasyDebian You use dedicated partition, *not* image file I hope? Jan 15 04:09:38 Yeah Jan 15 04:09:40 a ext2 one Jan 15 04:09:51 It corrupts on a regular basis though Jan 15 04:09:53 well, IMO it's better to have ED on eMMC and swap on microSD to avod I/O conflicts Jan 15 04:10:02 as we dont have wnd uSD Jan 15 04:10:11 I have two swap files with both set at -p0 Jan 15 04:10:38 well, mine *never* corrupts, and I mount ED upon boot via etc/event.d script, so it's enabled all the time from boot to shutdown Jan 15 04:10:47 My N900 deadlocks Jan 15 04:10:57 two swap files is as useless as flash based RAID 0 :P Jan 15 04:10:57 So I have to pull the battery and then it corrupts Jan 15 04:11:27 trust me, I/O conflicts on eMMC is major cause of performance decrease when swapping Jan 15 04:11:42 I use swap on microSD for a long time... Jan 15 04:12:18 one day, after repartition for truecrypt, my internal swap was no longer pblk0pe but now blk0p7, so my script to unmount it wasn't working Jan 15 04:12:50 I started my usual combo of applications - Chromium via ED, terminal to continue tinkering with truecrypt, + something else Jan 15 04:12:56 and 4th program Jan 15 04:13:24 then, device almost stopped responding, returning back to input once every 15 or 30seconds Jan 15 04:13:45 My N900 lags when I play audio :| Jan 15 04:13:46 after first WTF I realized that eMMC swap is enabled together with microSD swap :P Jan 15 04:13:50 PA fail Jan 15 04:14:00 disabling eMMC swap fixed it instantly Jan 15 04:14:14 So what do you keep on microsd? Jan 15 04:14:57 well, now I use modified rcS-late instead of custom script, so my swap is set to microSD initially, instead of being set on eMMC, + enabled on microSD + disabled on eMMC Jan 15 04:15:08 as it was with custom script as proposed in wiki Jan 15 04:15:41 I just replaced swapon -a in rcS-late with swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2 Jan 15 04:15:51 microSD, I got class 2 8GB Jan 15 04:16:08 768 MB swap and wnd partition vfat for backupmenu backups Jan 15 04:16:19 man, even with class 2 device fly with swap set there Jan 15 04:16:46 + some custom seting re swap (*not* recommended swapollube values, they're outdated) Jan 15 04:17:41 class 4 sandisk or another good company is best re swap on uSD (class 6 and 10 got higher bulk speed, but worse random) Jan 15 04:17:50 Yeah, I have a class 10 Jan 15 04:18:14 http://grabup.andrewx192.com/1326601058 Jan 15 04:18:19 well, whatever You have device will feel better with swqp on it Jan 15 04:18:19 Proposed new layout Jan 15 04:18:43 Reformat the fat32 with truecrypt though Jan 15 04:19:03 I see. Well, allocate those 64 MB, why to waste it Jan 15 04:19:15 That was the default Jan 15 04:20:07 I know Jan 15 04:20:13 whp said default is best ;) Jan 15 04:20:29 where is Your home? at extended partition? Jan 15 04:20:35 If it isn't broken don't fix it Jan 15 04:20:50 while it should work without problem and *should* not decrease performance Jan 15 04:20:56 esdf2 Jan 15 04:21:07 just to be on safe side, I would... Jan 15 04:21:09 ah yes Jan 15 04:21:15 only 2GB? 0_0 Jan 15 04:21:25 MyDocs on the 20GB Jan 15 04:22:04 Normally, people tend to increase optfs to have more room for installed things Jan 15 04:22:07 hm Jan 15 04:22:20 They share /home/ and /opt though Jan 15 04:22:26 I can symlink stuff Jan 15 04:22:35 if You don't want to rewrite every refference to /dev/mmcblk0p1 as MyDocs Jan 15 04:22:42 true Jan 15 04:23:20 I thyink You could resize MyDocs to 20GB and ext4 it, while putting this 2GB to extended Jan 15 04:23:46 otherwise, You will always find something that need changing mmcblk0p1 :P Jan 15 04:24:45 so if You're planning to use MyDocs as drop-in ext4 MyDocs replacement, leave it as partition 1, just resize and change filesystem (backup data first, no change from vfat to ext4 without scratch on content) Jan 15 06:07:42 hi guys Jan 15 06:09:00 anyone can help me on web runtime on N900? Jan 15 06:11:25 is the maemo web runtime being updated? Jan 15 06:23:09 anyone knows how to do reverse IP lookup in linux Jan 15 06:55:49 yolin: host(1) Jan 15 06:56:05 thanks Jan 15 07:00:22 AndrewX192, am trying to find html and js files using 'find', am using this -> find . -regex '.*(js|html)' -type f, but its not working, do you know why? Jan 15 07:08:01 yolin: use find . -regex '.*[js|html]' -type f instead? Jan 15 10:25:21 AndrewX192, great it worked, thanks Jan 15 13:39:12 hm, my N900 really has begun to fail Jan 15 13:39:24 in terms hardware Jan 15 13:39:58 sometimes it thinks the keyboard isn't out while it is, and now it thimks it is USB connected Jan 15 13:44:53 :-( Jan 15 14:04:12 heh Jan 15 14:04:14 that is odd Jan 15 14:04:32 the usb port is probably hanging on edge Jan 15 14:04:45 and swinging all over the place scraping across electronic components :) Jan 15 14:05:30 FIQ: don't feel too bad i am on n900 #2 Jan 15 14:05:53 now with a battery charger and 3 batteries so i never have to unnecessarily touch the usb port after my last trauma Jan 15 14:09:47 FIQ: first of all check if slider magnet came loose. It will cause erratic slider states and may cause shorts on other random places it falls to Jan 15 14:10:50 hitting device "hard" while holding it so magnet would fall out might help - I.E slide open, hold upright possibly top-down Jan 15 14:11:01 then shake Jan 15 14:11:20 see if loose "debris" causes sound or falls out Jan 15 15:18:56 FIQ: taking it apat is no big deal if you are ompetent with small screwdrivers Jan 15 15:19:26 I bough a couple of "broken" N900's for spares, but ended up being able to get them all working again Jan 15 15:20:36 FIQ: and don't underestimate the power of re-flashing -- some apparent hardware hiccups ahve been fixed by this -- like the virtual kbd not appearing Jan 15 15:38:08 FIQ: don't feel too bad i am on n900 #2 Jan 15 15:38:11 i am too :D Jan 15 15:38:29 My first one got rid of its' microUSB port Jan 15 15:38:46 I got a new one on warranty, but I think the warranty is gone now Jan 15 15:38:57 as it was almost 2 years ago i got it Jan 15 15:39:51 now with a battery charger and 3 batteries so i never have to unnecessarily touch the usb port after my last trauma Jan 15 15:40:18 Hm, I guess that's a decent idea (getting a battery charger) Jan 15 16:13:20 http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=18564 - latest prediction of reeentry for phobos-grunt spacecraft. Along the southeast coast of south-america all the way up, grazing africa, over the Med, crossing into russia, over china, and then touching the northeast coast of australia. - for anyone in those parts of the world. Jan 15 16:13:28 (in an hour or sos time) Jan 15 16:16:02 SpeedEvil: In other words, it is not a prediciton, as it predicts this thing falling anywhere? Jan 15 16:16:33 wasn't it spotted on fire two days ago? Jan 15 16:16:54 RST38h: Along that line. Jan 15 16:17:03 RST38h: So ~99% of the earth is not at risk Jan 15 16:17:28 ah Jan 15 16:17:29 looks like it's narrowed down to an orbit and a half? Jan 15 16:17:35 pretty much Jan 15 16:18:05 There is almost no orbit you can imagine that is over land more. Jan 15 16:19:34 so if yesterday (or friday?) someone snapped a picture of it burning, it must be shedding mass, and this would reduce the drag, but on the other hand slow it down before mass is lost... Jan 15 16:19:45 it's amazing these things can be predicted at all Jan 15 16:19:56 I think the 'burning' photo was radar Jan 15 16:20:07 So it's false colour, and not flames Jan 15 16:20:13 oh :/ Jan 15 16:20:57 you don't get flames or significant heating till about the orbit before it goes in. Jan 15 16:21:13 (as in stuff may get hot, but not red hot) Jan 15 16:21:13 ShadowJK: So, do you want it to burn in the atmosphere and save the earthlings, or fall to the ground with lulz and kill some earthlings? Jan 15 16:21:58 RST38h; the thing that pisses me off, is that if they'd crash it in my backyard I wouldn't be allowed to keep the pieces Jan 15 16:22:09 i think it'd be a fair trade Jan 15 16:22:30 won't be much left, although you may be able to find a propellant tank or two Jan 15 16:23:05 BURNING? WTF? Jan 15 16:23:15 The funniest part is, this thing has been in development for 10+ years and malfunctioned because they saved on some components and QA Jan 15 16:23:25 aah Jan 15 16:23:39 RST38h; also it was fixed-price contract and unmovable deadline Jan 15 16:23:52 ShadowJK: That I do not know about Jan 15 16:24:15 ShadowJK: Given 10+ years development cycle, I would say there were many contracts and no strict deadlines to speak about Jan 15 16:24:18 and financial penalties for missing deadline Jan 15 16:24:52 ShadowJK: Probably some Soviet era retirees working on it to go off with a bang Jan 15 16:25:23 ShadowJK: + whatever bottom percentile of college graduates they could hire for $500/mo Jan 15 16:27:07 Areva is building a nuclear reactor in finand at fixed-price contract too. Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for the world), there's a competent watchdog monitoring their work. Jan 15 16:28:55 probably depends more on the chosen technology than who is building it Jan 15 16:29:57 They were caught using a polish contractor for welding. The welders had no training for the work they were doing. Jan 15 16:31:14 think of how many they have not been caught for... ;) Jan 15 16:31:41 :) Jan 15 17:11:22 * MohammadAG moos Jan 15 18:16:04 MohammadAG: you shocked everybody :-D Jan 15 18:16:11 WB! Jan 15 18:16:29 long time no see :-) Jan 15 18:16:37 DocScrutinizer, thanks :) Jan 15 18:16:43 I had an exam on Thursday Jan 15 18:16:49 and I lost my license today Jan 15 18:16:57 hope it worked well for you Jan 15 18:17:08 lost your licence? :-o Jan 15 18:17:21 driver's license Jan 15 18:17:27 what F*ing licence? and what means "lost"? Jan 15 18:17:41 like they caught you speeding? Jan 15 18:17:45 drinking? Jan 15 18:18:01 speeding Jan 15 18:18:03 or just 'lost it somewhere'? Jan 15 18:18:10 there was a highway where you can drive 200kmph Jan 15 18:18:10 ouch Jan 15 18:18:14 so I was doing 160 Jan 15 18:18:20 there was a speed trap at the end of it Jan 15 18:18:47 oh well, that's life, when shit hits the fan Jan 15 18:18:53 where the speed limit gets to 90 Jan 15 18:19:07 actually I was doing 142 when he caught me Jan 15 18:19:08 you will get it back eventually? Jan 15 18:19:23 a month after tuesday, then I go to court in May and probably have it revoked for a year Jan 15 18:19:40 ouch!!! Jan 15 18:38:11 hi all :) Quick question (with hopefully quick answer): can anyone please tell me the rgb-subpixel order for the N900 display? I'd like to enable subpixel rendering in freetype, but I'm seeing a lot of color fringing which leads me to believe I may be using the wrong subpixel order Jan 15 18:38:25 try magnifying glass? Jan 15 18:38:37 I have none at hand :/ Jan 15 18:38:44 also, would I be able to tell? Jan 15 18:38:56 they're really tiny pixels Jan 15 18:41:46 looks more like bgr to me Jan 15 18:42:06 ||| shaped Jan 15 18:42:51 (when in landscape) Jan 15 18:44:05 oh wait, everything is mirrored in this thing, so rgb? Jan 15 18:44:12 thanks, I found a site with a test image (png), but I'm not sure how to get it to display at 100% Jan 15 18:45:37 link? Jan 15 18:45:59 http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php or http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/img/subpixel.png Jan 15 18:48:38 I think rgb, too Jan 15 18:48:43 * SpeedEvil ponders getting out of bed. Jan 15 18:48:44 it's so hard to tell Jan 15 18:49:20 * SpeedEvil gets out of bed and gets his microscope. Jan 15 18:49:30 Well, the top v-rgb lines has a miscolouration of the horizontal line, the right hand bgr pattern has miscolouration on vertical line, the bottom v-bgr has micolouration on horizontal line Jan 15 18:49:55 "so by process of elimination" :p Jan 15 18:51:07 red green blue Jan 15 18:51:11 red-left Jan 15 18:52:12 thanks everyone :) but in that case I'm not sure where the discolorations are coming from. Maybe fontconfig is not compiled with BCI or something? Jan 15 18:52:18 The pixels look wierd Jan 15 18:52:32 weird in what sense? Jan 15 18:52:36 they have o|o in black in the middle Jan 15 18:52:39 (at right angles) Jan 15 18:52:43 0 Jan 15 18:52:46 _ Jan 15 18:52:46 O Jan 15 18:52:57 where the O's are solid black Jan 15 18:53:02 Inside a coloured rectangle Jan 15 18:53:05 DocScrutinizer, ping? Jan 15 18:53:11 hi there Maemo Jan 15 18:53:27 black dots? Jan 15 18:53:41 Estel_: wazzup? Jan 15 18:54:00 I was seeing the dots and lines in the pixels looking at them under magnification now, and also wondering how dim the blue looks Jan 15 18:55:17 hey Doc. I just realized, that for 4 days I wask asking You small question, - even via the infamous /onjoin - without getting answer ;) Jan 15 18:56:01 so, considering current situation, if, for some reason, mirroring our infrastructure @ Debian fails, is Your proposition of 'sponsoring' server for few months actual? Jan 15 18:56:30 huh, it looks almost like the green is nearest the surface of screen, followed by red a bit deeper inside, and blue deeper still Jan 15 18:56:39 unless it's just optical side effect of magnificaiton Jan 15 18:56:54 We don't want to get merged with appsformeego, yep? ;) Jan 15 18:57:18 Estel_: I'm still not rejecting the idea Jan 15 18:57:29 which means?... Jan 15 18:58:16 merged with appsformeego? Jan 15 18:59:10 hmm, even if the screen is rgb in landscape mode, how does that translate to what the actual driver thinks ? E.g. maybe rgb means bottom-to-top r-g-b in landscape mode? Jan 15 19:00:01 But if the images above look best in "rgb"? Jan 15 19:00:19 ShadowJK, yea Jan 15 19:00:20 nn Jan 15 19:00:36 have You gone through logs from last council meeting with Nokia? Jan 15 19:00:41 ShadowJK: hmm good point Jan 15 19:01:08 Estel_, no Jan 15 19:01:09 They don't only show ignorance, arrogance, and that they (Nokia) dont have a clue of what they're saying... Jan 15 19:01:19 this is normal, so we're used to it ;) Jan 15 19:01:37 They're also planning to merge to-be-closed appsformeego with Maemo Jan 15 19:02:04 without even asking Council about opinion, not to mention asking if we want it or not Jan 15 19:02:52 when SD69 stated that he will open discussion about it amongst Community, they stated that it's not community buisness ;) Jan 15 19:03:16 + negating Council mandate to represent Community Jan 15 19:04:18 see: Jan 15 19:04:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150353&postcount=682 Jan 15 19:04:25 mm perhaps it is the bci: I found I guide to enable it (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=14550) , so presumably it is disabled by default Jan 15 19:04:27 Estel_: it means I might consier it as soon as we got a) some sysadmin who knows how to set up a proper repo on a server, and some maintainer willing to use that repo as a mirror of maemo.org repo Jan 15 19:04:43 DocScrutinizer, ok, understood Jan 15 19:04:54 but, could it be listed as possible solution Jan 15 19:05:00 yes Jan 15 19:05:02 or You're still unsure? Jan 15 19:05:04 thanks Jan 15 19:05:21 I'm willing to write some roadmap with possible alternatives listed in case of fail Jan 15 19:05:33 good Jan 15 19:05:42 You know, I don't wanted to quote You on that without confirming :P Jan 15 19:06:19 as for maintainers, CSSU would love to use mirrored repo aas soon as available AFAIK Jan 15 19:06:22 hey does qgil still work at nokia Jan 15 19:06:34 same for kp Jan 15 19:07:44 * ShadowJK hasn't been to tmo for months Jan 15 19:07:49 when did they add a harmattan/n9 section Jan 15 19:10:07 ... Jan 15 19:10:16 long time ago, aproximatelly few months Jan 15 19:10:37 this BS is spamming "active topics" list with useless crap Jan 15 19:10:51 but repos merge is bigger problem Jan 15 19:14:23 ShadowJK, basically there is consensus now, (if we don't count some bored trolls) that it's high time to say 'goodbye' to Nokia Jan 15 19:16:32 does anyone know a channel, where SD69 is easy to catch? Jan 15 19:16:50 * ShadowJK hasn't installed or updated anything in months and months Jan 15 19:19:41 You moved to other projects, eh? ;) Jan 15 19:21:17 no Jan 15 19:21:41 oh actually I did do something, made my charge script blink yellow and green Jan 15 19:22:02 DocScrutinizer: if it's just a matter of setup/mantain a repo, i offer myself as a sysadmin Jan 15 19:22:17 ok Jan 15 19:22:41 would you need full root permissions to install it? Jan 15 19:23:01 and to maintain Jan 15 19:23:41 guly: btw we should switch this convo to #maemo-ssu Jan 15 19:24:46 no IIRC unprivileged user is enough Jan 15 19:24:53 ok i'm joining Jan 15 23:36:04 hi, I'm trying to install the Maemo SDK with the Gui installer. I've gotten the sh script to work. Is there any reason to run the GUI now? The Gui always hangs while downloading some file. Is there anyone here that can help me with this? Jan 15 23:37:40 newbie007, You can use GUI but it's not required Jan 15 23:37:48 if it fails, just ommit it. Jan 15 23:38:12 so I've already installed everything then... ? Jan 16 01:27:45 mayday, mayday ;) I have accidentaly mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of blk0p7 (my internal fallback swap) Jan 16 01:28:04 yet, MyDocs seems to be working fine and my precious music collection is there working Jan 16 01:28:23 mkswap only touches the first block Jan 16 01:28:25 yet again, mkswap was succesful, showing 19GB as available swap space Jan 16 01:28:29 And the last block? Jan 16 01:28:36 did you swapon? Jan 16 01:28:39 nope Jan 16 01:28:44 fortunately Jan 16 01:28:52 now, any way to redo risk? Jan 16 01:29:18 You know, before that, if I accidentaly swapon /dev/mmcblk0p1, it would just say 'invalid argument' Jan 16 01:29:27 now it may be little catastrophic ;) Jan 16 01:29:41 I'm unsure if mydocs wil mount again Jan 16 01:29:44 I'd say the best thing to do is use rsync to copy everything off your mydocs before touching /anything else Jan 16 01:29:46 not so much as /dev/mmcblk0p2, but yet, would like to redo Jan 16 01:29:55 Have a SD card in there? Jan 16 01:30:13 Thought about that. Then, re-mkfs mmcblk0p1, yes? Jan 16 01:30:34 Something like that. If fsck can't fix it Jan 16 01:30:39 yes Jan 16 01:30:53 yea, but my mydocs content is bigger than sd card. Well, I think ssh'ing and backuping mydocs content would be ok? Jan 16 01:31:01 Exactly Jan 16 01:31:20 If you've got a nice linux machine with ssh, great. Jan 16 01:31:50 IIRC it won't mount without the first block Jan 16 01:32:03 a quick look at my first block reinforces that suggestion Jan 16 01:32:06 Otherwise, you'd have to use the sd method. Mind, you want to plug it in via usb but /not/ enable mass storage mode when doing so - the battery will drain extremely quickly when copying stuff via ssh Jan 16 01:32:10 thanks a lot. Going to get it fixed now. Thanks for tip about risk of no-next mount Jan 16 01:32:51 good luck Jan 16 01:33:01 Y'know, one other option would be to make a loopback image the same size on your desktop, format it fat32, then use dd to copy it's first and last blocks over the myDocs first and last blocks Jan 16 01:33:09 I'd try it /after/ backing up, of course Jan 16 01:33:14 yeah Jan 16 01:33:18 robbiethe1st, fortunately, I'm siting on recently charged 3000mAh battery and copying 11GB (from 19GB mydocs) barely scratches it Jan 16 01:33:23 hm, nice idea Jan 16 01:33:24 I'm unsure the first block doesn't have metainfo too Jan 16 01:33:58 well, I think the safest thing I can do is to just backup things and redo filesystem. Jan 16 01:34:07 Estel, I dunno... When my N900's USB broke, I backed up my MyDocs over ssh via wifi... it took like four fully charged batteries to do it Jan 16 01:34:20 it was vfat after all, so no symlinks etc - just stuff I would like to not re-encode again Jan 16 01:34:33 And those were what... 1250mah new batteries Jan 16 01:34:55 robbiethe1st, strange, I constantly drop and backup big files (backupmenu optfs backups) and it's fast and nice on battery Jan 16 01:35:27 Could have been due to lowish signal strength or something Jan 16 01:35:30 my optfs is 1.5GB and I'm usually backing up them to PC as a bulk of few, so it's 10GB or so Jan 16 01:35:59 it's possible. or are You using injection drivers for everyday usage? Jan 16 01:36:44 those have increased power drain due to things in osso-something. CSSU is going to fix that Jan 16 01:37:40 Nah, don't have those drivers at all Jan 16 01:37:56 I was experimenting with cryptsetup, and after lotta hell of enabling, disabing, encrypting, mkswap'ing, I finally made mistake. Fortunately, spoted it due to "correct" swap being encryed but unabled to swapon it... traced history down to see mkswap mmcblk0p1... Jan 16 01:37:59 I see Jan 16 01:38:19 BTW Robbie, Yoy've lost interest in developing backupmenu further? Jan 16 01:38:28 not demanging, asking out of curiosity Jan 16 01:39:21 (silence) :P seriously though, take Your time, I'll be back after fixing mydocs Jan 16 01:39:36 Somewhat, yeah. Mainly because I, A, managed to lose my harddisk and didn't have my stuff setup, and B, got a job which is having me work 9-10hr days Jan 16 01:40:14 Also, I sort of need to at least /try/ to make one for the N9/n950, but... again, lost files = hard time Jan 16 01:40:59 :/ Jan 16 01:41:43 ...And I'll have to figure out how to upload files again, get that all configured and such Jan 16 01:44:42 Note that since the... incident... I've got a 2TB Barracuda Green drive that I rsync to every week, need it or not. Jan 16 01:45:25 Also, Firefox Sync for keeping my tabs/history/cookies etc up to date on a hourly basis Jan 16 01:46:33 :/ Jan 16 01:49:26 robbiethe1st, no one from Debian forum traced down why it happened? Jan 16 01:49:50 Nah, I still haven't gotten a good reason for it. Jan 16 01:49:51 Of course I've been through whole story as soon as You posted it, still scratching my head about it Jan 16 01:50:25 The only thing I can come up with is that I'd mounted my drive to /tmp/Data... Perhaps something decided to wipe out /everything/ in /tmp/ for some odd reason Jan 16 01:50:41 However, I'd done that many times previous without issues, so... Jan 16 01:50:43 housecleaning after update ;) Jan 16 01:50:47 yea Jan 16 01:50:51 no idea, honestly Jan 16 01:51:15 pity that You actually were close to recover it if I recall correctly Jan 16 01:51:50 Well, I have a 1.2TB image of the disk; If I have a string in the file, I can find one or more copies of it usually... Jan 16 01:52:14 But there's a rediculous amount of data there, and no way to find a lot of things - like zip archives, for instance. Jan 16 01:53:17 Also, I -- fortunately -- have a good archive of my BM files on my N900's drive, and a year-old copy of everything else Jan 16 01:54:25 zip archives have a magic number at the start - and if contiguous Jan 16 01:54:43 also - if you have an image - why not mount it? Jan 16 01:55:34 SE: example of my problem: Take an EXT4 fs, do "rm /mount/ -rf" Jan 16 01:55:40 Now try to find your files. Jan 16 01:56:16 So there's a filesystem on there, but no records to where the files are. The data's on disk, but how to find it automatically is hard. Jan 16 01:56:45 If for no other reason than the huge number of false positives, old versions of files and... Jan 16 01:57:28 Did you actually rm? Jan 16 01:57:33 Or did you damage the fs? Jan 16 01:58:05 I'm pretty sure, from actually looking at the data structures in question, that it got rm -rf'd. I didn't run the command personally, though Jan 16 01:58:20 I say this because there's no inode tables around. Period. Jan 16 01:58:39 (well, stub tables, but nothing with my files in it) Jan 16 01:58:41 SpeedEvil, the strange part is that it happened during distro upgrade Jan 16 01:59:07 no one got idea why Jan 16 01:59:40 robbiethe1st: ah - you've been playing with debugfs and frineds tneh? Jan 16 02:00:15 I've tried a number of tools, but most of my information has come from looking at it with a hex editor Jan 16 02:00:22 :/ Jan 16 02:00:50 checking 1.2 TB image with a hex editor must be lotta hell of fun Jan 16 02:00:52 As well as grep and a custom tool to run grep on a gig of cached data Jan 16 02:01:19 Well, it's more like run program to find where some data structure is, look at that block with a hex editor Jan 16 02:01:43 I see, that's diferrent thing Jan 16 02:02:24 I also got funny day with filesystems today, although on much smaller scale Jan 16 02:02:49 for the very first time ever my device got strange lockout, during making call Jan 16 02:02:52 just frozen Jan 16 02:03:03 i got wifi enabled, so sshed into it Jan 16 02:03:08 was able to ls etc Jan 16 02:03:12 Well, the only thing I can say in relation to my problem is: Backup, backup, backup. Get a hot-swap sata bay, run a backup script every week at least Jan 16 02:03:17 top wasn't showing anything unusual Jan 16 02:03:38 killall some things wasn't taking *any* effect Jan 16 02:03:47 so shell commands like ls were working Jan 16 02:03:55 but other didn'r result in anything Jan 16 02:04:15 shutdown or reboot resulted always in lockdown of terminal console from where i sshed Jan 16 02:04:28 I was able to re-connect immediately Jan 16 02:04:39 yet device was still frozen as is. strange. Jan 16 02:05:03 after some tricks to force reboot failed, I was forced to shutdown via powerbutton longpress Jan 16 02:05:46 ofcourse /home/ got corrupted, I fsck'ed it from backupmenu root terminal, but, like in story I've described sometimes ago, e2fs is screwed Jan 16 02:06:00 so, after fixing plentora of things e2fs just segfaulted Jan 16 02:06:59 fortunatelly, I've had backup from few days ago, and as I wasn't doing many things related to rootf/optfs correlation (yet, I've prepared important scripts for TrueCrypt on rootfs) I just restored optfs Jan 16 02:07:11 then, reinstalled everything that could be installed in between Jan 16 02:07:50 it's pity that while having such nice tool as backupmenu and root console (backupmenu or standalone), we're screwed due to outdated e2fs Jan 16 02:08:27 probably, connecting in read&write mass storage mode to linuxbox and fsck'ing from there would help, though Jan 16 02:09:00 and now, this little mess with MyDocs, caused by me. Of course, all after all, it's all happily solved thanks to backups or asking here ;) Jan 16 02:10:16 Seems like we ought to be able to upgrade the optfs to ext3 or 4, now that we have a root terminal to play with that doesn't require it Jan 16 02:10:30 As in, we can keep trying till it works Jan 16 02:11:07 hehe, I use ext4 for optfs for ages Jan 16 02:11:14 modified backupmenu to support it Jan 16 02:11:28 with help (well, most work is his) of ivygalez Jan 16 02:12:28 I also use ext4 for ED dedicated partition and everyday use truecrypt part Jan 16 02:18:02 Estel_: That new uboot menu isnt' working great for me Jan 16 02:18:51 All I really want to do is have the possibility to install Meego CE or Nitdroid on my device again Jan 16 02:19:11 But maybe I should stick with robbiethe1st's BackupMenu and call it a day Jan 16 02:20:06 The thing is, I will be dependent on kernel-power, so anything that moves me back to the stock kernel will break things big time Jan 16 02:20:32 I think I can re-install kernel-power via flasher tools on another machine, correct? Jan 16 02:20:54 AndrewX192, wait for bugs being hammered, then install, immediately create combined with kernel power, and flash it again Jan 16 02:21:21 then, any next thing You want to load will be only in memory, without flashing Jan 16 02:21:48 no, if You flash kp from flasher after ubooting, You will loose uboot Jan 16 02:22:14 but, preparing combined image of kp with buoot and flashing it (from device, as Pali explained) will be ok Jan 16 02:22:15 Estel_: I can't boot kernel-power from that version of u-boot Jan 16 02:22:37 so either find out what You're doing wrong, or, if it's really bug, wait for fix Jan 16 02:22:45 It just sits at "Booting from (mtdblock4 jffs2)" Jan 16 02:22:46 Pali is developing it very actively Jan 16 02:22:55 no idea havent tried it myself Jan 16 02:23:13 normally I test things eagerly, but as for uboot, I'm going to wait a little Jan 16 02:23:29 What bootloader are you using? Jan 16 02:23:46 can't affor to make my device unbootable by accident, I'm traveling much, often without access to flasher3.5-able machine Jan 16 02:24:04 I'm thinking about getting a spare N900 for testing Jan 16 02:24:07