**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 22 02:59:57 2012
Jan 22 04:57:46 <iluminator101> how to display your own phone number in n900
Jan 22 08:43:16 * merlin1991 wonders what's the point of pulseaudio on maemo
Jan 22 08:45:56 <robbiethe1st> Because.
Jan 22 08:45:58 <virtuald> it routes the audio
Jan 22 08:46:10 <merlin1991> but from where to where?
Jan 22 08:46:24 <virtuald> from apps to speaker or whatever you connect
Jan 22 08:46:34 <virtuald> and mics to aps
Jan 22 08:46:37 <robbiethe1st> Well, it does switch between the internal speakers and earphones and radio...
Jan 22 08:46:55 <robbiethe1st> and sources from any apps, internal sounds, and radio in
Jan 22 12:02:59 <DocScrutinizer> all that is not realy an argument for PA
Jan 22 12:03:22 <DocScrutinizer> alsamixer and alsa devices can do that as well
Jan 22 12:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> what alsa can't do in a consistent simple way is on-the-fly switching to a just attached BT-headset
Jan 22 13:24:13 <Hurrian> the only magic of pulse is audio over network
Jan 22 13:24:55 <Hurrian> alsa has caught up a long time ago wrt other features
Jan 22 13:40:08 <luke-jr> [07:03:53] <DocScrutinizer> what alsa can't do in a consistent simple way is on-the-fly switching to a just attached BT-headset
Jan 22 13:40:12 <luke-jr> bet it could with a module
Jan 22 13:40:52 <DocScrutinizer> consistent and simple were terms I picked for a reason there
Jan 22 13:41:34 <DocScrutinizer> also I heard alsa has audio over network too
Jan 22 13:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> not that we'd need or even want that for an embedded device
Jan 22 13:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> the main problem with alsa is the missing comprehensive howto
Jan 22 13:42:48 <DocScrutinizer> or at least I haven't found it yet
Jan 22 13:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> another annoyance is in the design: each and every plugin has two independent pathes, one for "up" and one for "down", and you can't easily e.g. redirect a "down" stream, that's meant to terminate on a ADC for output, to any "up" stream so you could treat it like an input from e.g. a mic
Jan 22 13:48:41 <DocScrutinizer> eventually I found plugins like loopback and split
Jan 22 13:50:18 <DocScrutinizer> but things tend to get complex beyond manageability when you try to use those plugins to handle alsa plugin stacks like you would do with e.g. gstreamer
Jan 22 13:51:45 <DocScrutinizer> funny enough there's a *significant* exception to the 2-paths_up&down rule: dmix and dsnoop
Jan 22 13:52:36 <DocScrutinizer> where dmix only supports down streams, while dsnoop only supports up streams
Jan 22 13:53:02 <RST38h> Doc: Framework that needs HOWTOs, rather than a simple reference, is evil
Jan 22 13:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jan 22 13:53:23 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart qt
Jan 22 13:53:24 * infobot urinates on qt
Jan 22 13:53:31 <merlin1991> :D
Jan 22 13:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Jan 22 13:53:53 <RST38h> What is wrong with Qt? I do not need HOWTOs to use Qt
Jan 22 13:54:09 <RST38h> Or do you mean QtM/QML/etc?
Jan 22 13:54:29 <DocScrutinizer> first let's talk about your definition of "howto"
Jan 22 13:55:03 <RST38h> My definition of HOWTO is a documnt that says "copy this example into your code if you want it to do X"
Jan 22 13:55:11 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Jan 22 13:55:24 <DocScrutinizer> s/howto/whitepaper/
Jan 22 13:55:25 <RST38h> That is what most ALSA HOWTOs do
Jan 22 13:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> or any other random term you prefer
Jan 22 13:57:24 <DocScrutinizer> a "booklet" describing design rationale and operation principles of ALSA at large, listing all available plugins and tools and what they are meant for and how you typically (or not so typically) use them
Jan 22 13:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> that's a howto I meant
Jan 22 13:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> ideally delivered as a set of manpages plus supplementary doc
Jan 22 14:00:00 <DocScrutinizer> for ALSA I haven't even found any hint that suggests NOT to hardcode "default" as audiodevice in your app
Jan 22 14:00:38 <RST38h> Doc: Do you want technical rationale or clinical rationale?
Jan 22 14:01:06 <DocScrutinizer> unless you study all the "specs" scattered all over the place that you may find for ALSA, you got no idea why hardcoding "default" is a *very* poor idea
Jan 22 14:02:41 <DocScrutinizer> evidence: even skype did a hardcoded "default" when they ported their crap to ALSA (after almost a year of development) - that's been the moment when I said "F U skype" and quit my betatester status
Jan 22 14:02:42 <RST38h> Doc: Technically, ALSA tries to provide a universal way to access every detail of your audio hardware, expressed through a bunch of concepts preferred by its authors
Jan 22 14:04:02 <RST38h> Doc: Clinically, ALSA is the result of untreated megalomaniacal tendencies in a bunch of autism sufferers, if autism cause any suffering of course
Jan 22 14:04:31 <SpeedEvil> It does.
Jan 22 14:05:08 <DocScrutinizer> constantly
Jan 22 14:05:33 <RST38h> Doc: One interesting detail you might want to keep in mind is that the ALSA framework is so wide and thorough that you are unlikely to find any hardware that supports it fully, without implementational discrepancies
Jan 22 14:05:59 <RST38h> Doc: *Especially* if we are talking about hardware not derived from the SoundBlaster
Jan 22 14:06:32 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, you *might* have a bit of a point there
Jan 22 14:08:51 <DocScrutinizer> ALSA assumes full control over the hw playback buffer, which is the reason why e.g. twinklephone that actually uses those control functions for achieving low latency is not working too nicely with e.g a BT headset where your buffers are in a remote hw linked to your "host" via RF and only loosely controllable
Jan 22 14:08:57 <RST38h> Meanwhile, fun: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?_r=1
Jan 22 14:12:58 <DocScrutinizer> while PA has a vastly simplified concept of filters with one input and one output, and each filter has its own clock and spinning freely, so you got no control whatsoever about what's happening at the ADC/hw-fifo at the other end, and PA tries to cope with that by backpropagating "delay estimations" up to source, AIUI
Jan 22 14:14:49 <DocScrutinizer> a frequent objection to ALSA thus is "t doesn't support those "delay esimations". Hell it doesn't need to, as you already know about delay by the stack of plugins you use and their properties
Jan 22 14:16:56 <DocScrutinizer> you still "see" the hw-fifo on your API end, so there's basically no delay unless some very special plugin introduces a (preferrably then exactly defined) delay, like maybe echo cancellation would do
Jan 22 14:18:20 <DocScrutinizer> of course that concept is highly inconvenient for DAC hw that has no such thing like a fifo buffer at all
Jan 22 14:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> but usually the card driver implements a sw fifo then, for you
Jan 22 14:20:40 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: could you do a lil maintenance fancy on xchat?
Jan 22 14:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: you're xchat maintainer for maemo, no?
Jan 22 14:22:06 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: http://lwsitu.com/xchat/replace_non-bmp.diff has a patch that looks simple enough, and should probably apply if only you kick out the useless #ifdef win32
Jan 22 14:33:22 <RST38h> Doc: If I manager to bring sb2 back to life and findabit of time. Bookmarking this diff though
Jan 22 14:33:28 <RST38h> s/manager/manage
Jan 22 14:34:17 <RST38h> what does it do, anyway?
Jan 22 14:42:37 <DocScrutinizer> filters 'rougue' utf-8
Jan 22 14:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> that makes GTK blow chunks
Jan 22 14:44:01 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: it's kinda stopgap fix until **eventually** the root cause in GTK should get fixed
Jan 22 14:44:17 <DocScrutinizer> AIUI
Jan 22 14:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T01:30:03
Jan 22 14:48:22 <RST38h> ah
Jan 22 14:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: https://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/issues/detail?id=132
Jan 22 14:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> so kinda urgency=high
Jan 22 14:49:59 <RST38h> Sweet
Jan 22 14:50:11 * RST38h copies the string, goes off to fish
Jan 22 14:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Jan 22 14:52:11 <DocScrutinizer> it's most likely only 2 or 3 chars in the whole crap
Jan 22 14:52:27 <Shapeshifter> Is there an easy way of cloning a maemo 5 installation to a new n900?
Jan 22 14:52:38 <DocScrutinizer> backupmenu
Jan 22 14:52:50 <Shapeshifter> more than jsut backup. tweaked configs and whatnot
Jan 22 14:52:55 <DocScrutinizer> *might* work
Jan 22 14:53:07 <DocScrutinizer> mackupMENU
Jan 22 14:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> s/m/b/.
Jan 22 14:53:37 <Shapeshifter> is that a communitz application?
Jan 22 14:53:42 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 22 14:53:56 <DocScrutinizer> by awesome robbiethe1st
Jan 22 14:53:57 <Shapeshifter> I'll try it, thanks
Jan 22 14:54:16 <Shapeshifter> my 1st n900 is dying of old age
Jan 22 14:54:34 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, mine just ripes :-D
Jan 22 14:54:55 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless getting a third one next month
Jan 22 14:55:15 <Shapeshifter> ;) t's funny how the slider mechanism is super snappy on thenew one
Jan 22 14:55:16 <DocScrutinizer> just in case they become sparse resource (which actually happens already)
Jan 22 14:56:19 <Shapeshifter> I hope my second will last as long as the first, then it's probably time for a different device
Jan 22 14:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> iirc robbiethe1st actually prepared a fiasco img that has backupmenu preinstalled, so you go right from flashing to restore full system
Jan 22 14:57:05 <Shapeshifter> I now have this funky device called a umid se
Jan 22 14:57:25 <Shapeshifter> nice
Jan 22 14:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> well, my last nokia phone served me well for almost 10 years
Jan 22 14:57:59 <DocScrutinizer> I hope to get same from N900
Jan 22 14:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> next device might be due to technology changes introduced by carriers
Jan 22 14:58:57 <DocScrutinizer> aka LTE
Jan 22 14:59:00 <Shapeshifter> I think it's possible but mine is starting to suffer from internal rust
Jan 22 14:59:14 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Jan 22 14:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> you should drool less when working with it ;-D
Jan 22 15:03:09 <NIN101> hmm, putting backupmenu on my rescue initrd, or at least a (rootfs) backupmenu-backup-restorer - would kick ass I think. 
Jan 22 15:03:17 <Shapeshifter> sweaty hands, sweaty pants
Jan 22 15:03:26 <Shapeshifter> and some tropical climate inbetween
Jan 22 15:10:07 <RST38h> Mghm... 12000 US peacekeepers(?) disembarked in Libya
Jan 22 15:21:36 <kwtm> infobot seen me?
Jan 22 15:21:43 <infobot> me <~me@99-75-56-77.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 215d 20h 11m 18s ago, saying: 'you guys were teaching me'.
Jan 22 15:21:51 <kwtm> Oh good I'm audible.
Jan 22 15:35:46 <kwtm> infobot seen MohammadAG ?
Jan 22 15:35:50 <infobot> i haven't seen 'mohammadag ', kwtm
Jan 22 15:36:10 <kwtm> infobot seen DocScrutinizer ?
Jan 22 15:36:12 <infobot> i haven't seen 'docscrutinizer ', kwtm
Jan 22 15:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> ~*uptime
Jan 22 15:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~+uptime
Jan 22 15:51:03 <infobot> - Uptime for infobot -
Jan 22 15:51:04 <infobot> Now: 15h 39m 10s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Jan 22 15:51:04 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Jan 22 15:51:05 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Jan 22 15:51:05 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Jan 22 15:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen DocScrutinizer51 
Jan 22 15:51:27 <infobot> docscrutinizer51 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #openmoko #maemo-ssu #openmoko-cdevel, last said: '~dns talk.maemo.org'.
Jan 22 15:51:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen DocScrutinizer
Jan 22 15:51:33 <infobot> docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (7h 1m) #n9 (7h 1m) #harmattan (7h 1m) #meego (7h 1m) #openmoko (7h 1m) #maemo-ssu (7h 1m) #infobot (7h 1m) #openmoko-cdevel (7h 1m). Has said a total of 114 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen DocScrutinizer'.
Jan 22 15:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen docscrutinizer
Jan 22 15:51:54 <infobot> docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (7h 1m 21s) #n9 (7h 1m 21s) #harmattan (7h 1m 21s) #meego (7h 1m 21s) #openmoko (7h 1m 21s) #maemo-ssu (7h 1m 21s) #infobot (7h 1m 21s) #openmoko-cdevel (7h 1m 21s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen docscrutinizer'.
Jan 22 15:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> infobot seen DocScrutinizer 
Jan 22 15:52:49 <infobot> docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (7h 2m 16s) #n9 (7h 2m 16s) #harmattan (7h 2m 16s) #meego (7h 2m 16s) #openmoko (7h 2m 16s) #maemo-ssu (7h 2m 16s) #infobot (7h 2m 16s) #openmoko-cdevel (7h 2m 16s). Has said a total of 116 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: 'infobot seen DocScrutinizer '.
Jan 22 15:53:23 <DocScrutinizer> infobot seen DocScrutinizer ?
Jan 22 15:53:24 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'docscrutinizer '
Jan 22 15:53:38 <ShadowJK> it used to reply with something sracastic if you did seen on yourself
Jan 22 15:54:21 <DocScrutinizer> no, that's dropegg bot on #qi-hw
Jan 22 15:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> but obviously the "?" is not helping
Jan 22 15:56:25 <DocScrutinizer> infobot seen DocScrutinizer?
Jan 22 15:56:26 <infobot> docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (7h 5m 53s) #n9 (7h 5m 53s) #harmattan (7h 5m 53s) #meego (7h 5m 53s) #openmoko (7h 5m 53s) #maemo-ssu (7h 5m 53s) #infobot (7h 5m 53s) #openmoko-cdevel (7h 5m 53s). Has said a total of 120 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: 'infobot seen DocScrutinizer?'.
Jan 22 15:57:16 <DocScrutinizer> you're not supposed to insert a whitespace between text and punctuation
Jan 22 15:57:56 <DocScrutinizer> seems to result in search string extended by that whitestring, so it doesn't match
Jan 22 15:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> whitespace*
Jan 22 16:04:57 <DocScrutinizer> I just wonder where kwtm went
Jan 22 16:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> and if kwtm is same as kW 
Jan 22 16:06:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen kwtm
Jan 22 16:06:29 <infobot> kwtm <~kwtm1@adsl-75-61-109-191.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 30m 17s ago, saying: 'infobot seen DocScrutinizer ?'.
Jan 22 17:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> before and after "default.namehint.extended on" in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf on maemo: http://paste.debian.net/153201/
Jan 22 17:01:01 <DocScrutinizer> (obviously topic ALSA ^^^)
Jan 22 17:23:44 <strangr> someone plz tell me how to fix digital zoom to a desired level using gdigicam api
Jan 22 17:24:30 <strangr> i tried using g_digicam_manager_set_zoom but it didnt work..
Jan 22 17:24:51 <strangr> GDigicamCamerabinZoomHelper *z_helper=g_slice_new(GDigicamCamerabinZoomHelper);
Jan 22 17:24:52 <strangr>     z_helper->value=6;
Jan 22 17:24:52 <strangr>     gboolean digital=1;
Jan 22 17:24:52 <strangr>     if(!g_digicam_manager_set_zoom(manager,z_helper->value,&digital,NULL,z_helper))
Jan 22 17:24:52 <strangr>         qDebug() << "Unable to set zoom level";
Jan 22 17:24:55 <strangr> plz help
Jan 22 18:15:12 <eeanm> is there a package of qml imports for the n900?
Jan 22 18:15:14 <eeanm> that I could just depend on?
Jan 22 18:15:19 <eeanm> I want to save some files, and it seems like a waste of time to write my own plugin
Jan 22 18:15:21 <eeanm> seems like someone must've done this already :)
Jan 22 18:36:44 <luke-jr> anyone else ever experience the cellular just stopping working until reboot?
Jan 22 18:37:01 <luke-jr> Maemo thinks it's still connected to GPRS forever, so doesn't switch to wifi
Jan 22 18:37:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jan 22 18:37:30 <SpeedEvil> Well - no
Jan 22 18:37:35 <SpeedEvil> When it happened to me it knew
Jan 22 18:40:27 <ShadowJK> I've never experienced it in that way
Jan 22 18:41:05 <ShadowJK> data not moving anymore over active gprs connection has happened to me, but disconnecting and reconnecting fixed it
Jan 22 18:42:20 <Sicelo> a ping fixes for me sometimes
Jan 22 19:20:32 <BCMM> can somebody check an env. variable on their device to see if mine is normal?
Jan 22 19:21:05 <Sicelo> hope mine is normal enough :P
Jan 22 19:21:13 <BCMM> is $INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT set? what about $MMC_MOUNTPOINT ?
Jan 22 19:21:21 <BCMM> Sicelo: are you on CSSU?
Jan 22 19:21:41 <Sicelo> yeah, but not Testing.. instead, Stable
Jan 22 19:21:56 <BCMM> OK
Jan 22 19:22:01 <BCMM> are those variable set?
Jan 22 19:22:45 <Sicelo> first one says /home/user/MyDocs/
Jan 22 19:22:56 <Sicelo> second one says /media/mmc1
Jan 22 19:23:02 <BCMM> cool, thanks
Jan 22 19:23:07 <Sicelo> yw
Jan 22 19:23:10 <BCMM> i haven't got the first one, which is a problem :)
Jan 22 19:23:19 <BCMM> on CSSU testing
Jan 22 19:24:10 <BCMM> i wonder if this is, at last, the promised ill consequences for changing my primary shell to bash instead of bb sh
Jan 22 19:25:20 <Sicelo> hmm, idk man.. heck, even for env. variable, i had to think a few seconds before i chose 'echo' :P
Jan 22 19:25:30 <BCMM> oh sorry, should have said
Jan 22 19:25:54 <BCMM> i mean that was like a year ago or something
Jan 22 19:26:06 <BCMM> but people did tell me that everything would break
Jan 22 19:49:13 <BCMM> does anybody know how af-defines.sh is supposed to work?
Jan 22 19:53:16 <BCMM> Sicelo: sorry to bother you again; would you mind checking another var for me?
Jan 22 19:53:37 <Sicelo> yeah, np
Jan 22 19:53:48 <BCMM> Sicelo: $OSSO_PRODUCT_HARDWARE
Jan 22 19:54:22 <Sicelo> RX-51
Jan 22 19:54:27 <BCMM> ah
Jan 22 19:54:33 <BCMM> i don't have that one either,
Jan 22 19:54:35 <BCMM> thanks a lot
Jan 22 19:54:49 <Sicelo> maybe it's now an N9 
Jan 22 19:54:50 <Sicelo> :P
Jan 22 19:57:52 <BCMM> no it just isn't set at all
Jan 22 19:58:39 <BCMM> camera-ui is broken because of the first var, some script isn't setting the first var because the second var isn't set, and i have no idea how the second var is supposed to get set
Jan 22 20:01:27 <BCMM> hah! got it.
Jan 22 20:01:45 <merlin1991> and what was it?
Jan 22 20:01:54 <BCMM> merlin1991: the camera-ui bug
Jan 22 20:02:20 <BCMM> merlin1991: surprisingly, it's caused by xbmc-potato on my system.
Jan 22 20:02:31 <BCMM> this is so so stupid.
Jan 22 20:03:19 <BCMM> installed a package from -devel out of curiosity; it created a /scratchbox directory on my n900
Jan 22 20:03:39 <BCMM> af-defines.sh doesn't bother checking what sort of hardware you're running if that dir exists
Jan 22 20:03:54 <merlin1991> lol
Jan 22 20:03:54 <BCMM> and therefore assumes you don't have an internal mmc
Jan 22 20:04:06 <BCMM> and doesn't set env variables camera-ui needs
Jan 22 20:04:27 <BCMM> i am aware that this is my fault for installing extras-devel stuff
Jan 22 20:26:17 <rly> Is there some super standard format for storing contacts that works across tons of platforms and that also works on the N900?
Jan 22 20:27:59 <NIN101> maybe vCard, but I have no clue actually.
Jan 22 20:28:00 <SpeedEvil> vcards?
Jan 22 20:45:16 <BCMM> rly: yeah, vcard works
Jan 22 20:45:42 <BCMM> rly: it does import and export in a compatible way
Jan 22 20:46:50 <BCMM> when i got mine i copied whole email addressbook from kmail then merged it with contacts read off the SIM card; worked fine
Jan 22 20:48:45 <BCMM> rly: it even has an option to import a folder of contacts
Jan 22 20:49:26 <BCMM> rly: in contacts, menu, get contacts. vcard is often stored with one contact per file
Jan 22 20:51:01 <rly> What does an iPhone use as its format?
Jan 22 20:51:10 <rly> I.e., does Apple care about standards.
Jan 22 20:51:34 * Cor-Ai gets the chills
Jan 22 21:08:02 <BCMM> apple moved the ground pin on the AV connector.
Jan 22 21:16:20 <jacekowski> rly: apple created quite a few standards you are using today
Jan 22 21:16:31 <jacekowski> rly: or used to
Jan 22 21:16:36 <jacekowski> firewire for example
Jan 22 21:17:08 <jacekowski> ARM (it's in big part apple creation)
Jan 22 21:20:34 <SpeedEvil> Umm - Acorn risc machines != apple
Jan 22 21:21:11 <DocScrutinizer> no, they just bought it
Jan 22 21:32:48 <Arkenoi> Does anyone remember Archimedes?
Jan 22 21:33:30 <nox-> i do
Jan 22 21:33:35 <nox-> (tho i never used one)
Jan 22 21:36:01 <Arkenoi> Until re-created as Oolite, Acorn's version of Elite was the only "proper" one in existence
Jan 22 21:37:23 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh* Elite
Jan 22 21:37:55 <DocScrutinizer> Amiga version was not that bad
Jan 22 21:45:07 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, it still was not that good. Acorn version was the only one where you are *not* the center of the universe. I mean, you see ships fighting among themselves.
Jan 22 21:45:44 <Arkenoi> Now we have Oolite, so you do not need dedicated computer to play it anymore.
Jan 22 21:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> KI've never seen more than one ship unless they were after me, but that one ship quite easily just went by in remote distance
Jan 22 21:48:02 <DocScrutinizer> actually now I seem to remember more than one ship same time on my radar while still they didn't plan to attack me, but they were no fleet or something
Jan 22 21:48:53 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is Oolite?
Jan 22 21:49:01 <Arkenoi> trader ships with fighter escorts were quite common
Jan 22 21:49:11 <Arkenoi> wow! you mean you never seen it?
Jan 22 21:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> not on Amiga
Jan 22 21:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> I gave up on gaming with end of Elite :-D
Jan 22 21:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. after my pentium-II was too fast to run it
Jan 22 21:50:33 <Arkenoi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo5NTCa6OUY&feature=related
Jan 22 21:51:16 <DocScrutinizer> also there was linux then, and I never shut that down for DOS
Jan 22 21:51:21 <Arkenoi> or even better check this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7b-ifv4qe4&feature=related
Jan 22 21:52:03 <DocScrutinizer> WTF is wrong with audio on that clip??
Jan 22 21:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> HELL, again an echo after ~3s
Jan 22 21:54:57 <trumee> why my /etc/pmconfig not picked up on boot. I have enabled smartreflex in /etc/pmconfig but cat /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp is set to 0?
Jan 22 21:55:52 <trumee> isnt pmconfig read on bootup? or do i need to manually issue 'kernel-config load default ' manually on bootup.
Jan 22 21:56:22 <bindi> hmm
Jan 22 21:56:35 <bindi> any cpu intensive apps for n900?
Jan 22 21:56:48 <trumee> ~seen freemangordon
Jan 22 21:57:01 <infobot> freemangordon <freemangor@85.187.38.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 2h 39m 37s ago, saying: 'hi'.
Jan 22 21:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: fine, but what is that now
Jan 22 22:02:54 <Arkenoi> oolite.org
Jan 23 00:06:04 <bindi> argh
Jan 23 00:06:10 <bindi> how do i clear my installed apps space?
Jan 23 00:07:19 <bindi> flashed my device, says there's 96 MB free
Jan 23 00:07:21 <bindi> need more for CSSU
Jan 23 01:30:58 <Anthony> Can anyone help me? I want to use Anki Flash card study tool. I am considering purchase of Maemo tablet for that purpose but I have some questions about it.
Jan 23 01:36:58 <Anthony> How easy is it to upgrade n800 from os2008 to Diablo?
Jan 23 02:22:21 <bindi> what's that tweak for adding hw acceleration for menus?
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