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Jan 24 03:09:54 <barrio> i found a 53 page thread on xda-dev just getting libc going right on android
Jan 24 03:09:56 <barrio> that wasnt too promising
Jan 24 03:10:22 <barrio> google significantly forked vanila kernel, way more than throwing a few proprietary drivers in. then they ditched libc, and every bit of linux's userspace ever
Jan 24 03:10:26 <barrio> replaced it with some quasi-java VM
Jan 24 03:10:49 <barrio> its very mucht he mindset of late 90s early 00s JavaME phones, imo
Jan 24 03:12:40 <barrio> maybe if you can chroot and debootstrap you can just use a normal libc on their  kernel, no idea
Jan 24 03:12:57 <barrio> id never buy something so blatantly fubared in a NIMBY way like that
Jan 24 03:13:22 <barrio> even iOS you can jailbreak and compile stuff no more difficult than you could on OSX, with saurik's apt/dpkg/repos 
Jan 24 03:13:32 <barrio> since it is just OSX with some newer UI libs for touch
Jan 24 03:14:15 <ds3> it is all userland
Jan 24 03:14:16 <barrio> theres no X server, or GTK/QT libs, and compiline on OSX is harder than linux/freebsd, but if you are mainly doing daemons/screen/mutt/irssi and HTML5 or terminal UIs
Jan 24 03:14:42 <ds3> and iOS is irrelevant
Jan 24 03:16:22 <barrio> irrelevant to what?
Jan 24 03:16:35 <barrio> once i jb'd, and installed cydia, most the utils i wanted were as simple to install as N900
Jan 24 03:16:45 <barrio> and the hardware is available in the form of ipod touch for 1/4th the price of a N9
Jan 24 03:17:11 <barrio> its not how i'd spend my money, i'd go out of my way to get someting Mer-compatible
Jan 24 03:17:15 <barrio> but it is not that bad
Jan 24 03:26:54 * retro|cz is away: Byl jsem tady. Příjdu zas. Polib mi prdel, Fantomas!
Jan 24 04:37:40 <jase21> Hi guys!!
Jan 24 04:39:21 <jase21> Could you please point me to some docs on using c++ to program for Maemo (n900)? Can Qt get access to phone specific functions? Or should I download the maemo SDK?
Jan 24 04:42:41 <jase21> But maemo sdk uses GTK and C. Can I use C++ on top of it? But it doesn't seem to be the right approach. What is the preferred way?
Jan 24 05:01:02 <internetishard> one of my conversations became titled "<SelfHandle>" randomly - any ideas?
Jan 24 05:01:18 <internetishard> looks like a bug
Jan 24 05:07:42 <DocScrutinizer> yoh
Jan 24 06:41:44 <dangergrrl> heya dockane 
Jan 24 06:41:50 <dangergrrl> er DocScrutinizer :)
Jan 24 07:41:27 <RST38x> *yawn*
Jan 24 07:46:25 <RST38x> .црщшы КЫЕ38ч
Jan 24 08:00:21 <merlin1991> wut?
Jan 24 08:33:14 <mihu> Hi. I have successfully compiled and flashed a new kernel into my N900. Now I have done some experimental changes and want to just boot the device with the new kernel, but without flashing it. How do I do that with the flasher? I cannot find it out. I tried "flasher-3.5 -k zImage -b" but this does not do the trick. I does not seem to upload the kernel or boot it. Any ideas?
Jan 24 08:33:35 <mihu> I must be missing something really obvious...
Jan 24 08:34:22 <merlin1991> mihu: yes
Jan 24 08:34:25 <merlin1991> you miss the -l flash
Jan 24 08:34:27 <merlin1991> *flag*
Jan 24 08:34:44 <merlin1991> so it's flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l -b
Jan 24 08:36:38 <mihu> merlin1991: Ah, ok. So it was merely booting the existing kernel before, without loading the new one actually. Got it. Yes, now it works. Thanks!
Jan 24 10:15:12 <yolin> how can I check bluetooth signal strength of a device with known mac address?
Jan 24 10:22:42 <edheldil> yolin:  hcitool rssi, possibly
Jan 24 10:23:06 <yolin> edheldil, I tried that, but it says "Not connected"
Jan 24 10:23:20 <edheldil> you have to connect first
Jan 24 10:23:35 <yolin> can you please tell me the option for that?
Jan 24 10:25:03 <yolin> edheldil, I just want to determine proximity
Jan 24 10:25:07 <edheldil> hcitool cc? But consult your system's doc
Jan 24 10:25:43 <yolin> edheldil, thanks
Jan 24 10:50:40 <ruskie> http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
Jan 24 11:06:50 <edheldil> ruskie:  thank you :-D
Jan 24 11:27:43 <Pali> ping lxp
Jan 24 12:44:59 <Pali> ping onion
Jan 24 12:54:26 <RST38x> Australians deal with MyNokia Cherry in their own way: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/24/nokia-penalised-for-texting-tips-to-aussie-users-regrets-not-ad/
Jan 24 12:58:58 <DocScrutinizer51> harrharrharr
Jan 24 13:02:57 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Jan 24 13:18:02 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/24/watchdog_ofcom_says_nokia_and_channel_5_breached_sponsorship_rules/
Jan 24 13:20:58 <haltdef> pretend tv station
Jan 24 14:31:44 * retro|cz is back (gone 11:04:47)
Jan 24 15:01:20 <RST38x> OMG, Ubuntu continues destroying its own product
Jan 24 15:01:30 <RST38x> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus
Jan 24 15:30:18 <bindi> what is the tweak to enable hardware accelerated menus etc?
Jan 24 15:30:19 <bindi> i remember seeing it in the maemo wiki, can't find it anymore..
Jan 24 15:46:07 <netadmin> hello
Jan 24 15:46:12 <netadmin> hello
Jan 24 16:02:32 * ShadowJK only vaguely remembers a tool that lets you turn off menu transitions and such
Jan 24 16:40:46 <ruskie> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/01/24/apple_dutch_court_case/
Jan 24 17:30:54 <plate> transitions.ini ?
Jan 24 17:31:04 <plate> theres a GUI to config that
Jan 24 17:31:36 <bindi> I found it
Jan 24 17:31:48 <bindi>  /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini -> WSEGL_UseHWSync=1
Jan 24 17:32:06 <bindi> apparently very unstable, works fine for me
Jan 24 17:45:34 <ShadowJK> That's not acceleration
Jan 24 17:45:45 <ShadowJK> ACtually it decelerates somewhat :)
Jan 24 17:50:21 * DocScrutinizer feels reneaissance of good old registry-"optimizer" hacks
Jan 24 17:51:22 <DocScrutinizer> "UseHWSync... DUH, this *gotta* be faaaast!"
Jan 24 17:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> "man, it HAAADWARE
Jan 24 18:23:43 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: :-D
Jan 24 18:30:19 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I think they should pay another $58,000 to community and especially speedevil, for warning them about it and they ignoring us completely
Jan 24 18:30:33 <SpeedEvil> heh
Jan 24 18:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> and I still might consider suing them for refund plus compensation for my discomfort and expense in the effort to rectify the issue
Jan 24 18:33:29 <ShadowJK> what's this about?
Jan 24 18:33:40 <DocScrutinizer> cherry
Jan 24 18:34:08 <DocScrutinizer> see ~jrtools
Jan 24 18:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Jan 24 18:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> err bot died again?
Jan 24 18:37:21 <Raimu> :D
Jan 24 18:38:50 <ShadowJK> hm
Jan 24 18:39:02 <ShadowJK> iy has/had unsubscribe on n900, right?
Jan 24 18:39:23 <ShadowJK> and it's kinda funny/sad it had to go all the way through court
Jan 24 18:42:41 <ShadowJK> Vista/w7 backup utility is kinda funny. Apparently if your backup location is not the root directory of a device, and you reinstall windows or suffer hd failure, restoring backup fails
Jan 24 18:42:49 <DocScrutinizer> it had unsubscribe, but still inevitable subscribe on update/reflash, which been causing expenses for the possibly premium service SMS that got sent hidden
Jan 24 18:43:17 <DocScrutinizer> so possibly even worse than inbound SMS spamming
Jan 24 18:43:21 * ShadowJK booted live usb linux and wrote bash script to sort 200 zip files into right order and extract
Jan 24 18:44:19 <DocScrutinizer> ooomphh
Jan 24 18:45:48 <ShadowJK> The thing about acting like a Big Evil Corporation is that it only makes sense if you're all of: a) corporation, b) evil, c) big.
Jan 24 18:49:22 * RST38h moos
Jan 24 18:49:53 <rm_work> ~jrtools
Jan 24 18:49:55 <rm_work> ?
Jan 24 18:49:59 <rm_work> no bot, so
Jan 24 18:52:04 <RST38h> "On the Net, there is no way to tell a difference between a really good bot and a moron." -- RST38h's 3rd rule of Internet
Jan 24 19:05:19 <MohammadAG> <ShadowJK> That's not acceleration
Jan 24 19:05:31 <MohammadAG> It makes frames use the same time
Jan 24 19:05:42 <MohammadAG> so it's actually slower if the frame takes time
Jan 24 19:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> well, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools. And for your convenience here's the link to be found there: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription
Jan 24 19:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> and infobot never been a really good bot, though she'll bitch on me for saying that
Jan 24 20:53:44 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: you want to block an IP on wiki
Jan 24 20:55:26 <andre__> DocScrutinizer, done. thanks for pinging.
Jan 24 20:55:37 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Jan 24 20:56:20 <andre__> DocScrutinizer, I think you should also have admin rights. Just no idea who to ping for that.
Jan 24 20:57:44 <DocScrutinizer> the maemo syndrome: who's the man with the hat on
Jan 24 20:58:21 <DocScrutinizer> that's why they called it harmattan, not manhattan
Jan 24 20:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Jan 24 21:02:29 <DocScrutinizer> what annoys me so no words can tell, is that fact that all that spam still stays in wiki, in the history. As there's no true rollback
Jan 24 21:03:58 <DocScrutinizer> I already would be interested in "what links here" of old wiki pages with spam. I suspect those get abused to push up hits in search engines with link farms linking to history pages
Jan 24 21:06:24 <DocScrutinizer> actually the double edits some of the spammers do strongly indicates they do exactly that
Jan 24 21:07:28 <DocScrutinizer> so no matter how fast you are to "undo" - they achieved full "mission accomplished"
Jan 24 21:08:29 <DocScrutinizer> not even clever enough to be anything but extremely annoying
Jan 24 21:09:36 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: why don't we get captchas on anonymous edits, or forbid them completely? and get captchas etc on registering to avoid registered spam bots
Jan 24 21:10:49 <andre__> I do see a "rollback" button. might be only for admins. never really thought about the difference to "undo" but realizing now
Jan 24 21:11:14 <andre__> DocScrutinizer, I asked on maemo-community@ ml two weeks ago, but not much answers except for "me too"
Jan 24 21:11:35 <DocScrutinizer> asked about what?
Jan 24 21:12:03 <DocScrutinizer> captchas?
Jan 24 21:12:10 <andre__> Captchas
Jan 24 21:12:50 <andre__> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-January/004998.html
Jan 24 21:17:24 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: thanks
Jan 24 21:17:50 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: well, gimme admin and rollback, and I'm fine with cleaning up every other day
Jan 24 21:18:53 * DocScrutinizer wishes he could say same about his own rocks
Jan 24 21:21:04 <DocScrutinizer> I just hope rollback also counts for my karma ;-P
Jan 24 21:22:48 <DocScrutinizer> I could bear with rollback ignored by karma algo, if we'd finally get that irc analyzer plugin   XD
Jan 24 21:25:52 <merlin1991> karma whore ;)
Jan 24 21:29:35 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jan 24 21:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jan 24 21:29:48 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Jan 24 22:21:41 <Raimu> Oh, so the spammers are the only people updating the wikis nowadays? ;(
Jan 24 22:22:48 <webmind> hmm, not sure if I'm in the right place, but I'm looking for people doing anything around supl
Jan 24 22:30:16 <SpeedEvil> Not a horribly out-of-place place
Jan 24 22:30:27 <SpeedEvil> But the number of people interedsted are probably limited
Jan 24 22:30:31 <SpeedEvil> I assume you mean GPS
Jan 24 22:37:28 <Pali> ping lxp1
Jan 24 22:44:38 <webmind> SpeedEvil, yes
Jan 24 22:44:45 <webmind> SpeedEvil, any idea why?
Jan 24 22:44:56 <webmind> it seems like a good way to get your agps info
Jan 24 22:45:12 <SpeedEvil> Because in general, the GPS servers included work for most
Jan 24 22:45:21 <SpeedEvil> and simply changing to google works for most of the rest
Jan 24 22:45:43 <webmind> ah, but that is a supl server isn't it?
Jan 24 22:46:52 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jan 24 22:46:55 <SpeedEvil> What do you mean?
Jan 24 22:48:21 <webmind> I'm wondering then how the client implementation was/is done
Jan 24 22:53:34 <SpeedEvil> It's closed.
Jan 24 23:46:07 <timeless> does anyone here use callblock.py?
Jan 25 02:08:53 <fredddd> Robot101, what do I need to do to uninstall the package you had me install a while ago?
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