**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 27 02:59:58 2012 Jan 27 07:12:26 *sigh* Jan 27 07:19:56 morning DocScrutinizer :) Jan 27 07:20:06 moo Jan 27 07:20:21 moorning all Jan 27 07:20:39 hey RST38h - what's new over there? Jan 27 07:21:09 Putin forbid smoking on the street meanwhile? Jan 27 07:23:02 Doc: too trivial Jan 27 07:23:34 indeed, but I'm not fully awake, so bear with me lacking my usual high spirited sarcasm Jan 27 07:23:45 Doc: that is the problem with people who do not live here - whatever macabre idea of local news they can imagine is going to be too trivial Jan 27 07:24:13 The reality is so freaking weird that you have to take drugs to approximate it Jan 27 07:25:38 Like Russian bloggers flashmobbing President Medvedev by associating his name with the tag #pitiful on Twitter and forcing him off the Net for a month Jan 27 07:26:08 What I want to know is how Russia got so screwed up in the first place Jan 27 07:26:26 looong practice Jan 27 07:26:30 :-P Jan 27 07:26:39 jonwil: Which point in time do you want to use as "the first place"? Jan 27 07:26:51 I mean the fall of commuism Jan 27 07:26:52 hehe, exactly Jan 27 07:27:05 i.e. how did the fledgling democracy fail so badly Jan 27 07:27:08 jonwil: You really think that was the first place? Jan 27 07:27:09 and turn into the mess that it is now Jan 27 07:27:09 as if communism was any better Jan 27 07:27:21 never been a democracy Jan 27 07:27:45 oligarchy, yes Jan 27 07:27:56 cleptocracy, definitely Jan 27 07:29:03 seems to me Russia been a dictatorship since hundreds of years now, only camouflaged by communism (slow epic fail) and a short excursion to pretended democracy (quick messy fail) Jan 27 07:29:25 Besides, it is not necessary "bad", .RU is way better off than some other European countries. But it is weird and getting weirder by the week Jan 27 07:30:06 yeah, heard Belarus is even worse ;-) Jan 27 07:30:13 Doc: Well, it is a bit more complicated than tha Jan 27 07:30:24 Doc: For real shit, try Moldova or Georgia Jan 27 07:30:47 Doc: Outside CIS (but still in Europe), try Albania, Romania Jan 27 07:30:53 Hungary closing up lately Jan 27 07:31:11 Doc: Been to Hungary ~7 years ago, was kinda poor but decent Jan 27 07:31:26 now they go all backwards Jan 27 07:31:52 Doc: And if we include Asia, any of the eastern CIS members will do Jan 27 07:32:07 Doc: Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan Jan 27 07:32:14 sure Jan 27 07:32:38 those are less scary to us Europeans though :-) Jan 27 07:33:41 Doc: That is only because you are conditioned by 70+ years of your own propaganda Jan 27 07:34:03 actually even more, as russophobia is pretty old European habit Jan 27 07:34:07 probably, and by the new gas pipeline thru the sea Jan 27 07:36:03 Doc: Pipeline or no pipeline, but you visit .RU and it looks more or less familiar, European even (which is not exactly true but anyway) Jan 27 07:36:05 The biggest problem I have with Russia is the lack of people in Russia who have the power (and the will) to go after those responsible for the massive amount of computer crimes carried out from Russia Jan 27 07:36:17 Doc: I am not even suggesting that you visit tajikistan Jan 27 07:36:26 like the distribution of viruses and malware Jan 27 07:36:28 and the sending of spa Jan 27 07:36:30 spam Jan 27 07:36:48 jonwil: May I ask why *you* are having this problem? Does it affect *you* personally in some way? Jan 27 07:37:16 well, there are other countries like e.g. China which are worse that Russia wrt that Jan 27 07:37:20 It affects me because I end up on the receiving end of the SPAM email, the SCAM emails and the attempted malware attacks Jan 27 07:37:30 Doc: wrt what? Environment? Jan 27 07:37:41 spam, viri... Jan 27 07:37:47 Doc: ah, that Jan 27 07:38:04 jonwil: Well, how come it does not affect me? Jan 27 07:38:25 you send it out? ;-P Jan 27 07:38:32 Really though a lot of what I read suggests that the Mafia has the REAL power in Russia Jan 27 07:38:33 Doc: nope! Jan 27 07:38:46 jonwil: Of course! Jan 27 07:38:55 just like big corporations have the REAL power in the USA Jan 27 07:39:29 sounds about right Jan 27 07:40:19 jonwil <-- skipped about 10 years of RU history where the Mafia people accumulated all the property and became the corporate heads Jan 27 07:40:31 hehe Jan 27 07:40:53 and putin their boss, applying same principles to government at large Jan 27 07:40:59 "Mafia people" have been gone for a very long time Jan 27 07:41:21 They are all either big business or government members now Jan 27 07:41:38 Doc: again, probably more complicated than that Jan 27 07:41:55 sure, I'm simplifying Jan 27 07:42:05 Doc: they are "ok" with Putin, there is a consensus, but he is hardly their boss Jan 27 07:42:28 Doc: Just like american corporates are "ok" with Obama or Romney Jan 27 07:42:51 Doc: But in US, it is way more refined, US had 100+ years to build and refine its system Jan 27 07:42:54 USA is definitely worse for all I can say Jan 27 07:43:06 yep Jan 27 07:43:12 Doc: In RU it is raw and cynical, which usually puts off the Westerners Jan 27 07:43:29 indeed Jan 27 07:43:48 Doc: They either do not understand or ignore the sad fact that their own countries are in fact governed by very similar structures Jan 27 07:44:06 I bet its the same in Russia as it is in USA, its all about the money and how big the bribes accompanying the requests from the big corporations are Jan 27 07:44:14 CokaCola took over world governance some 10 to 20 years ago Jan 27 07:44:24 Well it is not the same, but it is definitely about the same things Jan 27 07:44:25 (again simplified) Jan 27 07:44:47 jonwil: those attempted malware attacks are done via other infected computers Jan 27 07:44:50 Doc: Nobody governs the world, it is bullshit Jan 27 07:44:53 jonwil: not coming from russia in most cases Jan 27 07:45:10 Doc: There are interests though Jan 27 07:45:27 Doc: And these interests have nothing to do with your or my well being Jan 27 07:45:29 RST38h: big business governs the world, almost completely Jan 27 07:45:35 More or less, yes Jan 27 07:45:52 while governments became puppets with a hand up their back Jan 27 07:46:06 recent ACTA stuff is a proof of that Jan 27 07:46:16 Governments and big business are often the same people Jan 27 07:46:33 Either at the very same time (like in Russia) or swapping roles every now and then (like in the US) Jan 27 07:46:54 well, thing is, governments should be like run a big business, but their targets should be slightly different Jan 27 07:47:02 ...or in Germany (you know who helped building that pipeline) Jan 27 07:47:11 Doc: EU in general Jan 27 07:47:53 Doc: Which, ironically, makes Belarussia one of the last remaining corners where corporations still have no power Jan 27 07:48:05 and china Jan 27 07:48:23 jacekowski: the problem with states and gvmts is that there's no shareholder value Jan 27 07:48:28 and mostly arab countries where they have general anarchy Jan 27 07:48:29 Doc: Yes, it is basically a satrapy, and the satrap has been going nuts lately, but population does not complain much Jan 27 07:48:33 on the people Jan 27 07:54:02 * DocScrutinizer suddenly occurs he has set a very strange txt into /topic Jan 27 07:54:40 "sth is out" was not exactly what I meant to say :-D Jan 27 09:46:57 MohammadAG: ping Jan 27 09:48:58 i'd like to get the tsc2005.ko that u use for ubuntu on n900. the link in the thread isn't working Jan 27 09:51:08 i'm on pk49 if that helps .. and i'm trying to install debian+using bootmenu Jan 27 10:23:57 Arch on an n900 ^^ http://dismantle-it.blogspot.com/2011/12/install-arch-linux-on-nokia-n900.html Jan 27 10:47:20 DocScrutinizer, hi Jan 27 10:51:50 I published second RFC version of bq2415x_charger kernel driver, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156458#post1156458 Jan 27 11:08:28 kewl Shapeshifter :D:D Jan 27 11:08:36 Pali: \o/ Jan 27 11:13:36 Pali: Interesting. (not read) I'll have a skim when I wake up. Jan 27 11:18:39 i'm propably to stupid, to use google right. How do i setup c/c++ or python on my n900, to develop gui applications on the devie itself? Jan 27 11:19:15 i only find how to setup the dsdk on win/linux Jan 27 11:19:23 * sdk Jan 27 11:24:02 Pali: that driver looks great if everything works like in your lkml posst Jan 27 12:10:11 holy christ Jan 27 12:10:13 anyone Jan 27 12:10:15 ANYONE Jan 27 12:10:20 TITAN IS BACK. Jan 27 12:10:34 Yes, THAT Titan. Jan 27 12:10:50 Pali: Are you there bro? Jan 27 12:11:00 Pali: holy shit, are you there? Jan 27 12:11:22 I'm here Jan 27 12:11:40 Pali: The original creator of power kernel has just made a post on TMO. Jan 27 12:11:50 Pali: he is trying to sell some old n900 stuff. Jan 27 12:12:21 Pali: if you were not made maintainer of KP, then now is your chance, Jan 27 12:12:29 ^,/. Jan 27 12:12:54 Pali: to hassle him to make you the maintainer. Jan 27 12:13:08 vi__: I'm on list of kernel-power maintainers Jan 27 12:13:23 Pali: Oh well. Jan 27 12:13:37 I guesss it is somewhat less exciting then. Jan 27 12:21:28 -_- Jan 27 13:12:32 how do i disable sshd at startup? Jan 27 13:42:32 how to brows app menu with pages instead of the scrolling method? I'm sure I saw this on some YT vid Jan 27 13:42:38 browse* Jan 27 13:59:38 totalizator, there's an app for that Jan 27 13:59:56 totalizator, the app is catorise IIRC Jan 27 14:01:03 crashanddie: finally, thanks mate! Jan 27 14:12:34 Polish Politicians Don Anonymous Masks To Protest EU Counterfeiting Agreement Jan 27 14:21:42 hi Jan 27 14:21:47 is maemo dead? Jan 27 14:21:50 :) Jan 27 14:22:19 maemo is dead. long live maemo. Jan 27 14:22:28 supertramp: from Nokia, yes. they stopped developing it in 2009 when the N900 was released. Jan 27 14:22:58 supertramp: there's a community (here - maemo.org - etc) who keep it alive with apps, community updates and a very festive forum on talk.maemo.org :) Jan 27 14:24:22 nice - so you keep it up-to date and community is developing new packages? Jan 27 15:06:48 ~cssu Jan 27 15:06:48 rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jan 27 15:07:18 * plate procures microSD, proceeds to test NemoMobile Jan 27 15:07:37 seeing as i prefer apt and gtk to rpm and qt i'll praobly stick with maemo, but hey Jan 27 15:16:37 * Sicelo has been playing with debian as per elektranox website, using power kernel Jan 27 15:21:41 does meego even run properly on an n900? Jan 27 15:21:50 i'm sur there is SOMETHING That does not function Jan 27 15:21:52 there always is Jan 27 15:22:12 always Jan 27 15:22:21 afaik rescueOS uses meegos' kernel Jan 27 15:22:32 i haven't tried meego on my n900 in over a year Jan 27 15:22:41 and i am sure it is probably still in the same state it was a year ago :) Jan 27 15:22:54 with a changlog stating minor fixes which the end user wouldn't even notice Jan 27 15:23:29 afaik it can call, which matters to many Jan 27 15:26:01 mkay... that's fine if the phone app doesn't crash a thousand times or if the cams, audio, gps, slider, etc work Jan 27 15:26:07 heh Jan 27 15:26:11 gpu Jan 27 15:26:12 bme Jan 27 15:26:45 i am willing to bet the n900 version is totally screwed Jan 27 15:27:02 and probably abandoned by now... as is every other nxxx Jan 27 15:30:06 Pali: seen the mail Jan 27 15:30:19 will answer tonight Jan 27 15:30:31 ok Jan 27 15:30:34 Pali: :-D Jan 27 15:30:44 http://i.imgur.com/UHKHN.jpg <- The Poor man's batmobile Jan 27 15:35:58 can someone please give me a clue on 2 things wrt bootmenu, (1) now it doesn't show the screen for selecting what to boot .. but it still responds to keypad, and boots selected choice. (2) how do i make BackupMenu co-exist with other items under /etc/bootmenu.d/*? Jan 27 15:37:36 also, (3) is there a way to make bootmenu boot a different kernel from the one used by device normally? Jan 27 15:37:58 without using u-boot Jan 27 15:38:49 * Sicelo hasn't reflashed his device since he bought it, and likes to keep it that way for now Jan 27 15:39:20 i asked that question before and the simple answer is no Jan 27 15:40:08 understood. :P Jan 27 15:40:08 just use u-boot Jan 27 15:40:19 the first two questions? Jan 27 15:40:40 is keyboard open? Jan 27 15:40:46 bootmenu only displays if it is afaik Jan 27 15:40:59 yes. Jan 27 15:41:24 try togglign devmode in flasher Jan 27 15:41:31 doesnt seem like the answr, worth a shot Jan 27 15:41:39 and i know it loads because i can do keypad down and press enter and os in second line boots Jan 27 15:41:50 :/ Jan 27 15:42:36 u-boot is grub, and pali has gotten it working pretty well Jan 27 15:42:59 er, is like grub, not IS gerub Jan 27 15:43:06 i'm aware plate.. but i'll gt there in time :) Jan 27 15:43:10 ok Jan 27 15:43:50 here's another issue .. maybe u can give direction Jan 27 15:43:52 you can merge u-boot and a clasic NOLO kernel boot or sommething Jan 27 15:43:57 so it falls back ot normal maemo Jan 27 15:44:51 i boot debian, can ssh fine.. gui (e17) starts fine as well, i can calibrate touch-screen via ssh.. but i can't click or type anything Jan 27 15:44:54 :/ Jan 27 15:44:59 any ideas? Jan 27 15:46:51 yeah Jan 27 15:47:02 boot into rescueOS or dont start X Jan 27 15:47:21 check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /dev/input Jan 27 15:47:22 i found all the numbersing changed around Jan 27 15:47:37 pancake's xorg.conf was wrong.. Jan 27 15:47:58 also grep WW Xorg.0.log and grep EE Jan 27 15:48:15 in case the xorg-omap-input or whatever module is missing entirely Jan 27 15:48:15 i'll check again. i'm not using pacake's tarball btw Jan 27 15:48:50 dmesg | grep input Jan 27 15:48:51 too Jan 27 15:48:57 i just find it weird that i can calibrate ts fine.. which shows it is correctly recognized and responsive :/ Jan 27 15:49:05 and.. you can cat /dev/input/input2 or whatever Jan 27 15:49:09 and mes with the stylus.. to figure out which is which if everything else fails Jan 27 15:49:31 yrp porblay a number off by one Jan 27 15:49:37 wow! good idea that :D Jan 27 15:49:43 also make sure the rx51 keymap si specified in xorg.onf Jan 27 15:49:47 or special keys will be wonky Jan 27 15:50:01 you could even try Jan 27 15:50:02 kbd doesn't work at all for now Jan 27 15:50:04 X -configure Jan 27 15:50:08 && x -config xorg.conf.new Jan 27 15:50:26 :( and i'm having to mknod eah node.. as udev doesn't work Jan 27 15:50:42 perhaps its smart enough to setup automagically ;) Jan 27 15:50:43 doubt it tho, being such an oddball setup Jan 27 15:50:52 wait what? sounds fubar Jan 27 15:50:54 i used pancake's tarball, an d after apt-gt upgrading, x no longer worked Jan 27 15:51:23 not exactly promising, trunk / sid may be broken someohw Jan 27 15:51:50 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdos.csail.mit.edu%2F6.824%2Fpapers%2Fcox-tra.pdf&ei=0cciT6-rOom1hAeYgrnkBA&usg=AFQjCNFr0TXXFqR0Q1Cth3WZVmMdKiRGKQ&sig2=x2EgcrO2ogQ0Dhmm6F0CFw < interesting ! Jan 27 15:51:52 yeah, me too.. that's why i just stopped using his tarball, and debootstrapped the whole thing afresh Jan 27 15:51:58 oups ... sorry .... wrong windows Jan 27 15:52:33 well, i want a vanilla 3.2 kernel too Jan 27 15:52:33 soon as i tried installing e17, i couldn't even chroot into the install, non-stop segfaults Jan 27 15:52:37 since, im sure sid doesnt quite work right on 2.6.28-maemo Jan 27 15:52:51 due to API changes, proprietary modules having diff ABI than vanilla drivers, etc Jan 27 15:52:59 and i couldnt get 3.2-vanilla booting right Jan 27 15:53:00 heh Jan 27 15:53:14 :( Jan 27 15:53:24 despite http://elinux.org/N900 looking positive Jan 27 15:54:43 check http://pkg-n900.alioth.debian.org/kernel/ Jan 27 15:54:48 i havent tried any of those yet Jan 27 15:54:51 once u-bot is working and i install SDHC i will Jan 27 15:54:55 which kernel you try? Jan 27 15:55:29 linux-image-3.1.0-1-omap_3.1.0-1~experimental.1.1_armhf.deb Jan 27 15:55:33 'experimental' Jan 27 15:55:37 no shit Jan 27 15:55:55 theres a 'debian experimental' repo for /etc/apt/sources.list iirc Jan 27 15:55:58 you proably want that Jan 27 15:56:01 pkg-n900 channel was basically empty Jan 27 15:56:17 i'm just using kp49.. i don't want to play with uboot yet... but i see i'll have to very soon Jan 27 15:57:38 #pkg-n900 is very quiet, lol, but sebastian is readily available via jabber .. and it's himm and Pali who are working on elinux.org/N900 Jan 27 16:04:22 uboot doesnt bite Jan 27 16:04:33 n900 is basically unbrickable Jan 27 16:04:41 just reflash back to Maemo if all else fails ;0 Jan 27 16:05:05 :P Jan 27 16:05:48 my issue is internet bandwidth. i want to avoid reflash as far as possible (yet_ Jan 27 16:16:16 because i don't want to re-download my installed packages.. although i suppose with BackupMenu i could be safe :/ Jan 27 16:18:09 u-boot is flashing into kernel area, so if something happends, you need to reflash only kernel image Jan 27 16:18:21 rootfs will not be touched Jan 27 16:19:27 hmmm that's better Jan 27 16:56:44 DocScrutinizer, new version of bq2415x_charger which support boost mode is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156614#post1156614 Jan 27 17:23:28 ok, thanks Jan 27 17:23:47 still at work, fixing some patch Jan 27 18:20:27 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/elop_on_salesmen/ Jan 27 18:33:38 elop lol Jan 27 18:33:57 has a post-mortem on nokia been written yet Jan 27 18:34:03 like how microsoft took over their board and appointed him Jan 27 18:35:20 i Jan 27 18:36:48 fake-n9 is updating! Jan 27 18:37:04 (and btw, Zune "software" sucks about the same as Ovi Suite Jan 27 18:37:36 fake chinese N9s that run meego/mer/debian?? Jan 27 18:37:52 fake-n9? Jan 27 18:38:37 he means a lumia I guess :P Jan 27 18:40:08 why is that a fake-n9, it's completely different? Jan 27 18:41:38 the one with the same industrial design? Jan 27 18:41:53 all phones look the same these days? Jan 27 18:42:04 Not *that* same. Jan 27 18:42:32 it's just a plastic shell :P Jan 27 18:42:33 ShadowJK: Looks the same, but is not Jan 27 18:43:26 That has actually been one of my annoyances with phones, why they have to change the outsidw all the time so you have to relearn new keyboards each time :/ Jan 27 18:43:35 and get new holders, cases, etc Jan 27 18:43:50 gimme N900 with new internals :( Jan 27 18:43:52 Zune Suite thingie has no "minimize" or "close" buttons. No titlebar to move it by either Jan 27 18:44:25 i bet it doesn't work in wine :P Jan 27 18:45:51 http://nokiainnovation.com/2011/09/fake-n9-aka-super-cottage-running-6-oss/ Jan 27 18:45:54 did you buy one of these? Jan 27 18:46:41 hah Jan 27 18:48:28 Theregister's comment about elop saying sales staff are idiots is kinda true. I remember when i went to hunt down a second N900 for self, all the stores had broken N900s on display :P Jan 27 18:48:28 ShadowJK: No idea, I am practical and have got Win7 here Jan 27 18:49:21 ShadowJK: Elop is the perfect example of http://abaldwin360.tumblr.com/post/11227349032/toocooltobehipster-when-top-level-guys-look Jan 27 18:49:23 broken=? Jan 27 18:50:21 SpeedEvil; boot looping, lock code activateds so all you ould see was phone asking for code Jan 27 18:50:37 ah Jan 27 18:54:14 RST38h; if it's anything like nokia/ovi suite, you'd want to image the hd first before using, and then restore after use Jan 27 18:54:30 fastest way to get pc performance back :) Jan 27 18:55:12 ShadowJK: I think this one is more insidious but also less intrusive Jan 27 18:55:23 ShadowJK: goes narrower, but deeper into the os Jan 27 21:04:36 so nemo install is painless, but wifi configuration stuff is borked, catch22 with anything further like pkg manager. doesnt appear to be gps/SIP/fm support in the calling UI or Maps (or maybe maps needs network for tiles) Jan 27 21:05:14 maep is the best. but i guess it's just a slight tweak of osm-gps-map or so. so thats hould be good once Debian is working.. Jan 27 21:05:40 hmm :) Jan 27 21:06:03 dmesg has weird errors failing to mount nemo's ext3 rootfs Jan 27 21:06:04 on maemo Jan 27 21:06:16 and it has mkfs.ext4 but no ext4 module, curious Jan 27 21:06:20 chroot? Jan 27 21:06:37 so im mkfs.ext3 with maemo's tools to debootstrap.. Jan 27 21:06:49 keeping nemo's kernel around, that should be useful, on FAT 3rd partition for u-boot Jan 27 21:07:51 the QT stuff does feel just a slight bit smoother than GTK/Hildon stuff on maemo.. (re http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing ) shame it got Elop'd Jan 27 21:08:05 nemo uses which kernel? Jan 27 21:08:24 vmlinuz-2.6.37-10.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N900-adaptation-n900 Jan 27 21:08:50 nice.. udev should work there, right? Jan 27 21:08:56 dont see why not Jan 27 21:09:03 nemo mostly worked its just if im going to spend time tweaking Jan 27 21:09:08 id proably rather make Arch Linux work nice Jan 27 21:09:21 or Debain.. or Gentoo. rather than yet another dsitribution Jan 27 21:09:54 wonder how hard haxxing nemo's .xinitrc to launch say, Illume+e17 would be , since its got a functional x server etc Jan 27 21:10:03 proably more modern than Maemo.. Jan 27 21:10:21 hop over into #mer and look into building the necessary packages and an image Jan 27 21:10:30 afaik nemo is mer, or something Jan 27 21:10:37 nemo uses mer, yes Jan 27 21:10:40 im confused by all the branding Jan 27 21:10:50 nemo, mer, meego. maemo.. tizen.. moblin Jan 27 21:10:53 so you can start with the N900 adaptation and changing the packages/post-install scripts Jan 27 21:11:26 nemo is 'mer + meegoUX handset UI' or something Jan 27 21:11:30 yes Jan 27 21:11:32 so i guess yeah, mer would support other stuff too Jan 27 21:11:34 or allow customization Jan 27 21:11:41 mer has no GUI Jan 27 21:11:56 it's entirely geared around adopters to bring their own GUI Jan 27 21:11:59 word Jan 27 21:12:39 so yeah, smoku does hildon+gtk3, vgrade does PA for a bunch of stuff, you could do Illume+e17 Jan 27 22:42:33 happy weekend, maemonians! Jan 27 22:42:48 same 2 you too :P Jan 27 22:43:21 where to buy fresh N900 in unopened original package? Jan 27 22:44:17 preferably in the EU, most preferably with qwerty keymat Jan 27 22:44:57 me too Jan 27 22:45:03 (n900 fresh) Jan 27 23:03:11 ShadowJK: seems I owe you one anyway? Will get 2 or 3 when I can find any, one for you :-D Jan 27 23:03:13 i got myself a 2 month old N900 Jan 27 23:03:22 with warranty and everything :))) Jan 27 23:03:40 :D Jan 27 23:04:29 You don't owe me anything, but if you can locate a source and obtain one I'd appreciate it and pay for it :P Jan 27 23:07:33 on my todo list Jan 27 23:08:35 dhbiker: nice, but you know, warranty is a joke, you'll not going to get a replacement Jan 27 23:08:51 (well replacement as in some other phone) Jan 27 23:09:27 DocScrutinizer: checked amazon? Jan 27 23:09:35 cehteh ? Jan 27 23:09:47 not yet Jan 27 23:10:21 dhbiker: nokia has no spares anymore .. since about a year or so Jan 27 23:10:28 aww snap Jan 27 23:10:29 -.- Jan 27 23:11:00 so, be careful with yours :) Jan 27 23:11:09 so if anything goes worng i'll have to accept some other shitty symbian based phone ? Jan 27 23:11:15 wrong* Jan 27 23:12:14 maybe even worse .. windows phone :P Jan 27 23:12:20 omg -.- Jan 27 23:12:29 * dhbiker will try to be extra careful Jan 27 23:12:57 dunno what they offer for exchange currently Jan 27 23:13:10 i hope you can get the N9 with extra payment :P Jan 27 23:13:10 n9? Jan 27 23:13:19 well i dont want Jan 27 23:13:30 meego is just a toy Jan 27 23:13:31 xD Jan 27 23:14:59 too bad that N950 is not for sale Jan 27 23:15:00 bada will merge into tizen, surprise, ... i hope my n900 will keep going until samsung comes out with a cool new linux phone with all free software in a few years :) Jan 27 23:15:21 that now looks more promising than i hoped Jan 27 23:15:46 heh Jan 27 23:15:51 a fw years? Jan 27 23:15:53 and nokia gets what they deserved, sorry but their own fault Jan 27 23:15:59 true Jan 27 23:15:59 rumors are dvices this yr Jan 27 23:16:04 cool Jan 27 23:16:13 is that SNLP ? Jan 27 23:16:16 linux based samsung ? Jan 27 23:16:18 or did they call it slp Jan 27 23:16:38 dunno, i just read a short announcement but not the whole article Jan 27 23:16:47 SLP :P Jan 27 23:17:09 but samsung always had my highest hopes for the next *free* phone, of course thats to be proven still Jan 27 23:17:48 http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/02/samsung-is-backing-linux-slp.html Jan 27 23:18:17 samsung did already a lot linux stuff Jan 27 23:18:30 the raster phone :-D Jan 27 23:18:42 yep :) Jan 27 23:19:06 would be a good choice i think Jan 27 23:19:06 actually raster been rather quiet lately about "his" phone Jan 27 23:19:22 NDA .. he needs to have food on the table too Jan 27 23:19:37 the quieter he is the more is going on perhaps Jan 27 23:20:06 unfortunally samsung is not 100% buyed into this free software thingy Jan 27 23:20:18 nah, he used to drop by here or in #meego every other month, uttering a obscure "stay tuned!" Jan 27 23:20:26 yes Jan 27 23:20:41 well i was absent for some time from here :) Jan 27 23:20:43 not so the last ~5 moths Jan 27 23:21:14 months Jan 27 23:21:33 ~seen raster Jan 27 23:21:35 well doesnt matter as long as we get another N900 alternative :P Jan 27 23:21:38 * cehteh wonders how much samsung has to pay to apple when they cancel all contracts ... Jan 27 23:21:41 raster was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 17h 4m 44s ago, saying: 'who knows about next month'. Jan 27 23:21:43 he has talked a bunch in #tizen Jan 27 23:21:49 oooh Jan 27 23:22:04 i have a feeling samsung can afford to bankroll plans C-Z if google screws them over on Android somehow Jan 27 23:22:11 so who knows how big of a deal it is to them Jan 27 23:22:42 well without samsung there would be no iSomething at all Jan 27 23:22:59 heh Jan 27 23:24:20 if they kiss apple a goodbye, then they will loose a LOT of money, but maybe they get huge dent in the market too Jan 27 23:24:38 evil masterplan Jan 27 23:24:47 apple has bought so many SoC type companies Jan 27 23:24:56 perhaps they could just find someone new to fab their A4/A5 stuff.. Jan 27 23:25:35 there is a reasons that they didnt do that yet, no one can do it at least in that volume.. and there are other parts as well Jan 27 23:31:08 Samsung cpu maker is different from Samsung phone maker Jan 28 00:03:57 as rater used to put it: Samsung isn't one company, rather many companies that even compete with each other, and just share one brand name Jan 28 00:04:02 raster* Jan 28 01:39:17 DocScrutinizer: Happy weekend to you too :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 28 02:59:59 2012