**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 29 02:59:58 2012
Jan 29 08:53:23 <dhbiker> mornin
Jan 29 13:19:38 <[DarkGUNMAN]> PhoneME Advanced test build available for Maemo/MeeGo - talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1157338#post1157338
Jan 29 13:19:55 <[DarkGUNMAN]> sorry if this a repost, had connection problem
Jan 29 14:56:41 <fredddd> Robot101, I badly need your help for quite a while now regarding that package you made me install. =/
Jan 29 14:57:40 <Robot101> fredddd: just download the original from http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/loudmouth/1.4.1-0osso10+0m5/ and install - actually apt-get install --reinstall might work too
Jan 29 14:59:39 <fredddd> Thank you.
Jan 29 15:01:11 <fredddd> Robot101, armel or i386?
Jan 29 15:04:36 <Robot101> armel
Jan 29 15:13:11 <MohammadAG> frals: Ping
Jan 29 15:52:13 <fredddd> Robot101, this is weird, upon doing apt-get instal --reinstall package-name-auto-completed-with-tab.deb it says it can not find the package.
Jan 29 15:52:19 <fredddd> Yet it is there in the folder. =/
Jan 29 15:52:44 <fredddd> It even auto completes the name upon pressing tab
Jan 29 15:53:57 <fw190> DocScrutinizer: ping
Jan 29 15:54:10 <Wizzup> fredddd: dpkg -i
Jan 29 15:54:10 <DocScrutinizer> pong
Jan 29 15:54:16 <fw190> hello
Jan 29 15:54:19 <DocScrutinizer> wazzup?
Jan 29 15:54:24 <fw190> have you seen the new N900
Jan 29 15:54:29 <fw190> I've send yesterday?
Jan 29 15:54:31 <Robot101> fredddd: yeah, dpkg -i installs a .deb file, apt-get downloads it from the server 
Jan 29 15:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> errWUT?
Jan 29 15:54:45 <fw190> you were looking where to buy new N900
Jan 29 15:54:58 <fw190> I've send you a link here
Jan 29 15:55:05 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, the polish website, yes thanks, but alas I can't find my way around it
Jan 29 15:55:15 <fw190> hmmm
Jan 29 15:55:18 <fw190> I could help
Jan 29 15:55:25 <fw190> and ask if they send abroad
Jan 29 15:55:36 <fw190> if the proce is Ok for you
Jan 29 15:55:38 <DocScrutinizer> sure thing, thanks a lot for that
Jan 29 15:55:55 <fw190> this is something like mediaMarkt so a relaianle one
Jan 29 15:56:10 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Jan 29 15:56:26 <fw190> I will send them an email and ask it they send abroad
Jan 29 15:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> so they don't have a "English" button on their page? ;-D
Jan 29 15:56:38 <DocScrutinizer> even "German"?
Jan 29 15:57:03 * DocScrutinizer wonders if google-translate might help
Jan 29 15:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> they're supposed to send abroad inside EU
Jan 29 15:57:59 <DocScrutinizer> just I'm supposed to understand what I "sign" on their website
Jan 29 15:58:07 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
Jan 29 15:58:38 <fw190> I just gave the a call
Jan 29 15:58:39 <DocScrutinizer> even worse: understand what I'm supposed to do for payment, order, whatnot
Jan 29 15:58:46 <fw190> they only send inside Poland
Jan 29 15:58:49 <fw190> damn
Jan 29 15:58:53 <fw190> this is strange
Jan 29 15:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> WTF? sue them!!! :-P
Jan 29 15:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> isn't Poland EU member?
Jan 29 15:59:46 <DocScrutinizer> AFAIK they are obliged to deliver to arbitrary EU locations
Jan 29 16:00:45 <fw190> I do not know what the state of the law is
Jan 29 16:00:54 <fw190> maybe it;s their inside regulation
Jan 29 16:02:04 <fw190> it seems that the only way would be to buy it here and send it but this might not be safe
Jan 29 16:02:22 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, maybe safe enough
Jan 29 16:03:00 <DocScrutinizer> where are they located?
Jan 29 16:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> I even might ponder having a nice weekend trip
Jan 29 16:03:42 <fw190> well you could order it to a shop which is nearest to the border
Jan 29 16:03:54 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Jan 29 16:03:59 <fw190> and pic it up tere it costs 1 euro for delivery to a shop
Jan 29 16:04:13 <fw190> I will chceck where that could be
Jan 29 16:04:34 <fw190> you prefer northern part or southern of the western border?
Jan 29 16:04:44 <DocScrutinizer> southern
Jan 29 16:05:55 <fw190> this ok? http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=jelenia+g%C3%B3ra&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470ede3bb9f54cd9:0xc158d47122acfbc,Jelenia+G%C3%B3ra&gl=pl&ei=UW4lT_rROMyq-gb4-_XuBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ8gEwAg
Jan 29 16:07:17 <fw190> here is a shop withe easier road http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=legnica&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470f1285124037c1:0x438e15212088e6a2,Legnica&gl=pl&ei=hW4lT7-ZE4yq-gbcku3kAg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CGMQ8gEwBA
Jan 29 16:08:47 <fw190> I could order it for you, send you the order number. If you dont pick it up they will put no costs, you also dont pay for it untill you pick it up
Jan 29 16:09:19 <DocScrutinizer> http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=jelenia+góra&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470ede3bb9f54cd9:0xc158d47122acfbc,Jelenia+Góra&gl=pl&ei=UW4lT_rROMyq-gb4-_XuBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ8gEwAg a bit lengthy for a weekend trip still
Jan 29 16:10:36 <fw190> bolesławiec is closer ;)
Jan 29 16:12:07 <DocScrutinizer> I have to find another way to get it
Jan 29 16:12:16 <fw190> this is as close as it gets http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=boles%C5%82awiec&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470f343b0d3038af:0x8dfc0e8cd07478a2,Boles%C5%82awiec&gl=pl&ei=rG8lT4zVGMnn-gbH3KS4CA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CFwQ8gEwBA
Jan 29 16:12:43 <fw190> ok If I could help PM me on TMO ro send ma na email
Jan 29 16:14:46 <DocScrutinizer> thanks a lot :-)
Jan 29 16:17:11 <fw190> I still can not belive that the do not send abroad
Jan 29 16:17:55 * DocScrutinizer neither, but I can't even read their page to learn if they do or not ;)
Jan 29 16:28:02 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is up with my Konversation client?
Jan 29 16:28:52 <DocScrutinizer> DocScrutinizer51: test
Jan 29 16:40:18 <blueslee> how can i surpass teh following issue 
Jan 29 16:40:33 <blueslee> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6) but 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6 is to be installed
Jan 29 16:44:15 <blueslee> i mean the devel package is from here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libx/libxml2/
Jan 29 16:45:10 <blueslee> refers to maemo4? and does not match the version of libxml2 which has maemo5 in the package name
Jan 29 16:45:39 <blueslee> and evertyhing on harmattan=maemo6?!
Jan 29 16:51:55 <Sicelo> hmm, getting this now when inserting sd card: mmc0: host does not support reading read-only switch. assuming write-enable.
Jan 29 16:52:43 <SpeedEvil> Normal
Jan 29 16:52:49 <SpeedEvil> microSD does notr have r/w
Jan 29 16:53:11 <Sicelo> all cards tested do this, but work on every other phone/pc i tried. and it's not a case of magnetic case or what 
Jan 29 16:53:43 <Sicelo> SpeedEvil: the card can't be mounted, automatically or manually :(
Jan 29 16:53:43 <SpeedEvil> MicroSD cards simply do not have a r/w switch
Jan 29 16:53:55 <SpeedEvil> you're misreading it
Jan 29 16:54:14 <SpeedEvil> That line is just saying it's assuming that it's read/write
Jan 29 16:54:20 <SpeedEvil> it's nothing to do with mounting
Jan 29 16:54:26 <Sicelo> here's lines..
Jan 29 16:55:02 <Sicelo> immediately after that one..
Jan 29 16:55:12 <Sicelo> mmc0: new high speed SD card at address 0002
Jan 29 16:55:13 <Sicelo> [35558.107574] mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 00000 1.86 GiB 
Jan 29 16:55:26 <Sicelo> [35558.107879]  mmcblk1:
Jan 29 16:56:52 <Sicelo> any idea?
Jan 29 16:59:22 <Sicelo> i don't use sd cards that much, but last i time they worked. 
Jan 29 17:00:01 <SpeedEvil> Again, not an error
Jan 29 17:03:21 <Sicelo> well, what would u suggest i do/check?
Jan 29 17:03:37 <SpeedEvil> What filesystem is it?
Jan 29 17:03:43 <Sicelo> FAT
Jan 29 17:04:13 <Sicelo> linux, nokia s40 phones can all access the card withot ny issue
Jan 29 17:04:24 <SpeedEvil> Try mount /dev/mmcblk1 /home/user/MyDocs/ 
Jan 29 17:04:24 <Sicelo> *any
Jan 29 17:04:30 <SpeedEvil> and see if it thros an error
Jan 29 17:05:54 <Sicelo> mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: No such file or directory
Jan 29 17:06:20 <SpeedEvil> Okay - does MyDocs exist?
Jan 29 17:06:23 <SpeedEvil> the dir
Jan 29 17:06:36 <Sicelo> of course :)
Jan 29 17:06:55 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - mostly asleep - not helping much
Jan 29 17:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> EEEK you don't mount uSD on MyDocs!!
Jan 29 17:07:09 <SpeedEvil> err
Jan 29 17:07:12 <SpeedEvil> that, yes
Jan 29 17:07:13 <SpeedEvil> oops
Jan 29 17:07:14 <Sicelo> yeah, lol
Jan 29 17:07:52 <Sicelo> i triead a different dir before.. same error
Jan 29 17:08:08 <DocScrutinizer> ls .l /dev/mmc*
Jan 29 17:08:13 <Sicelo> what's missing SpeedEvil is /dev/mmcblk1
Jan 29 17:08:15 <DocScrutinizer> err ls -l
Jan 29 17:08:36 <Sicelo> yeah DocScrutinizer, only mmcblk0*
Jan 29 17:08:44 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Jan 29 17:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> your card might be corrupt
Jan 29 17:10:01 <Sicelo> nope. i tried 4 cards now. all known to be working, tested with 3 phones and card reader on linux
Jan 29 17:10:24 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I have no way to test right now what should show up when you hotplug a uSD on fremantle
Jan 29 17:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> in syslog
Jan 29 17:11:01 <Sicelo> it should be mmcblk0p0 iirc
Jan 29 17:11:17 <Sicelo> *1p0, i mean
Jan 29 17:11:34 <DocScrutinizer> Jan 18 22:49:04 IroN900 kernel: [   12.107543] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB
Jan 29 17:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> Jan 18 22:49:04 IroN900 kernel: [   12.107910]  mmcblk1: p1 p2 p3
Jan 29 17:11:46 <Sicelo> i've used sd card successfully before.. dunno wth is wrong now
Jan 29 17:11:57 <DocScrutinizer> this card has 3 partitions
Jan 29 17:12:08 <Sicelo> yeah.. yours is happy :(
Jan 29 17:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> maybe yours got none, I.E superfloppy
Jan 29 17:12:33 <DocScrutinizer> superfloppy not supported by fremantle afaik
Jan 29 17:12:52 <Sicelo> i tested on linux.. partition is there 
Jan 29 17:13:06 <DocScrutinizer> is it actually a partition?
Jan 29 17:13:06 <Sicelo> will confirm again in 30 minutes
Jan 29 17:13:37 <DocScrutinizer> use cfdisk on a desktop linux
Jan 29 17:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> other devices and also windoof love to format uSD as superfloppy
Jan 29 17:14:47 <DocScrutinizer> I.E no partition table
Jan 29 17:14:59 <DocScrutinizer> first block is first data chunk
Jan 29 17:15:15 <Sicelo> ok. i know about superfloppy, but didn't think 'basic' devices do that. (i dumped windows a year ago :P)
Jan 29 17:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> a lot of devices do that
Jan 29 17:16:11 <DocScrutinizer> your quoted syslog suggests there are no partitions, yet you should see /dev/mmcblk1
Jan 29 17:16:35 <Sicelo> that's not there.
Jan 29 17:17:26 <DocScrutinizer> then probably hw failure, uSD are known to work with one device and crap out with another. Protocol/clockspeed negotioation is kinky
Jan 29 17:18:08 <DocScrutinizer> there's been a linux-global fix for uSD driver some time ago
Jan 29 17:18:34 <DocScrutinizer> from intel iirc
Jan 29 17:19:08 <DocScrutinizer> I'd bet it's missing in stock fremantle kernel
Jan 29 17:19:33 <DocScrutinizer> allegedlya only needed for one particular brand of uSD (kingston?)
Jan 29 17:19:41 <DocScrutinizer> (transcend?)
Jan 29 17:20:19 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not aware if we already got it in powerkernel
Jan 29 17:20:53 <Sicelo_> meh.. bad internet 
Jan 29 17:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> I recently suggested to get it into CSSU (though kernel domain which is somewhat orthogonal to CSSU)
Jan 29 17:21:35 <Sicelo_> getting what into CSSU?
Jan 29 17:21:47 <DocScrutinizer> ooops you missed all my monolog? get chanlog! http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
Jan 29 17:22:17 <Sicelo_> sure.. i'll do that :)
Jan 29 17:46:48 <Sicelo> hmm, looks like i have hw issue :(
Jan 29 17:47:15 <Sicelo_> used cfdisk, and now dmesg shows
Jan 29 17:47:39 <Sicelo_>  mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 00000 1.86 GiB 
Jan 29 17:47:51 <Sicelo_> mmcblk1: p1
Jan 29 17:48:08 <Sicelo_> but no entry in /dev/
Jan 29 17:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> now that's weird
Jan 29 17:53:02 <ShadowJK> I wonder if the thing that creates the entry has died
Jan 29 17:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> that thing is called kernel :-D
Jan 29 17:53:32 <scoobertron> does anyone know if it is possible to change the font colour (or other properties) on the default lockscreen? (I know about qtlockscreen etc, just wondering what is possible with the default)
Jan 29 17:56:18 <Sicelo_> i don't want to blame PK49, but i have'nt used sd cards since i upgrades from kp47... but then, i'm sure others with KP49 don't have this issue
Jan 29 17:58:18 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, no it's not
Jan 29 17:58:26 <ShadowJK> it's in userspace
Jan 29 17:58:41 <DocScrutinizer> duh?
Jan 29 17:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> what in userspace would create a /dev/*
Jan 29 17:59:43 <DocScrutinizer> I know udev does the renaming
Jan 29 17:59:43 <NIN101> e. g. udev
Jan 29 18:00:02 * Sicelo had thought of udev
Jan 29 18:00:11 <Sicelo> how to reinstall it perhaps?
Jan 29 18:00:25 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I seem to stand corrected
Jan 29 18:00:53 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: try udevadm monitor
Jan 29 18:01:10 <DocScrutinizer> check /etc/udev/
Jan 29 18:01:17 <DocScrutinizer> or whatever it's been
Jan 29 18:01:42 <Sicelo> as it's now kinda clear that it's not h/w.. trying via h-e-n does the same thing
Jan 29 18:01:57 <DocScrutinizer> h-e-n is unrelated
Jan 29 18:03:44 <Sicelo_>  [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Jan 29 18:03:58 <Sicelo_> but there's no /dev/sdb*
Jan 29 18:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> I still think your uSD formatting/partitioning is the culprit
Jan 29 18:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> also dmesg seems suboptimal
Jan 29 18:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> use syslog
Jan 29 18:04:50 <trumee> freemangordon: ping
Jan 29 18:20:18 <freemangordon> trumee, pong
Jan 29 18:20:41 <trumee> freemangordon: did my report on videos not playing make sense?
Jan 29 18:20:57 <trumee> freemangordon: dsp errors on SD videos.
Jan 29 18:22:04 <freemangordon> do you have a example video, so I can test it here.
Jan 29 18:22:10 <freemangordon> *an
Jan 29 18:22:43 <freemangordon> BTW doy you have the same problem when using KP from repos?
Jan 29 18:22:54 <freemangordon> trumee ^^^
Jan 29 18:24:08 <trumee> freemangordon: any mp4 video from here, http://feeds.feedburner.com/cnet/top5?format=xml
Jan 29 18:25:29 <trumee> freemangordon: no, i only tried with my own kp49 built (minus bt patch). However Sicelo, had a go with kp49 from the repo and reported the same error
Jan 29 18:25:46 <freemangordon> ok, will check
Jan 29 18:27:09 <trumee> freemangordon: cheers. kp48 (minus bt patch) plays the video fine here,
Jan 29 18:31:48 <DocScrutinizer> FWIW stock maemo with CSSU plays fine
Jan 29 18:37:03 <freemangordon> trumee, KP49 + maemo6 gst-dsp and DSP codecs plays the first video fine here, seems something in maemo5 gst-dsp is causing the problem. However, I don't have time now to look into the issue, will try to fix it next week.
Jan 29 18:37:57 <trumee> freemangordon: np, just wanted to bring to your notice.
Jan 29 18:38:09 <freemangordon> yeah, thanks
Jan 29 18:39:00 <trumee> freemangordon: would be happy to help with bt testing whenever you have that ready.
Jan 29 18:40:02 <freemangordon> trumee, I am trying to fix it right now, hopefully will be ready in a matter of 1-2 hours, will ping you when I am ready
Jan 29 18:40:13 <trumee> freemangordon: sure
Jan 29 18:52:36 <Macer> holy crap
Jan 29 18:53:40 <Macer> ovi maps
Jan 29 18:53:43 <Macer> is absolutely
Jan 29 18:53:44 <Macer> AWFUL
Jan 29 18:53:54 <Macer> i got lost 3 times trying to use it
Jan 29 18:54:11 <Macer> i wish there was google maps for maemo
Jan 29 18:54:23 <Macer> i bet if i took my android phone i'd have turn by turn instructions every 2 secs
Jan 29 18:54:28 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: klogd or sysklogd?
Jan 29 18:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> I guess both
Jan 29 18:55:06 <DocScrutinizer> one depends on the other
Jan 29 18:55:13 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Jan 29 18:56:02 <DocScrutinizer> so try sysklogd first, I guess it will pull klogd
Jan 29 18:56:25 <Sicelo> yeah.. they're getting installed atm :)
Jan 29 18:57:03 <Sicelo> btw, i remember reading somewhere that u run risk of filling up space :/
Jan 29 18:58:31 <DocScrutinizer> err, well, yeah, you eventually should rm /var/log/syslog
Jan 29 18:58:35 <DocScrutinizer> every now and then
Jan 29 18:58:48 <DocScrutinizer> I do it every 3 months or somesuch
Jan 29 18:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> or get logrotate pkg, if there's any
Jan 29 18:59:53 <Sicelo> ah, looks like there is logrotate
Jan 29 19:00:46 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to configure it to your preferences - dunno what defaults it ships with
Jan 29 19:01:36 <DocScrutinizer> I never bothered as for me it turned out syslog space consumption isn't really an issue
Jan 29 19:01:52 <DocScrutinizer> after all it needs some loglines to fill a MB of storage ;-)
Jan 29 19:02:37 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      3050728 Jan 29 20:00 /var/log/syslog
Jan 29 19:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> ~ # head /var/log/syslog
Jan 29 19:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> Jan 18 22:49:03 IroN900 syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5: restart.
Jan 29 19:03:10 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jan 29 19:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> quite a bit
Jan 29 19:03:36 <DocScrutinizer> 3MB in 11 days
Jan 29 19:04:02 <DocScrutinizer> well, I did quite some reboots lately, which usually I don't
Jan 29 19:09:01 <StyXman> Macer: have you tried marble+monav?
Jan 29 19:12:06 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: I think I'd get a bashscript with "cp /varlog/syslog /var/log/syslog.old && echo "reste by me" >/var/log/syslog", then every now and then hit the icon that starts that scriptie
Jan 29 19:12:53 <Sicelo> \o/
Jan 29 19:13:17 <Sicelo> btw, memory card read fine now after (a forced) reboot
Jan 29 19:13:32 <DocScrutinizer> I actually type those cmds every few months
Jan 29 19:13:43 <DocScrutinizer> duh!
Jan 29 19:14:25 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, you often need a reboot to make kernel recover from fsckdup partition table on a device
Jan 29 19:14:55 <Sicelo> battery fell out when i opened cover :-s
Jan 29 19:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> seems this part of kernel still isn't really made for removable media
Jan 29 19:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> cfdisk suggests reboot to read in new partition table anyway
Jan 29 19:16:03 <DocScrutinizer> so nothing entirely new and exciting
Jan 29 19:16:15 <DocScrutinizer> just new to learn it impacts uSD
Jan 29 19:18:22 <DocScrutinizer> well, on superfloppy there isn't *any* magic number to tell "hah, this is superfloppy now", so superfloppy is the fallback for any arbitrary crap and you even could have stored a MBR&parttbl in first sector of your superfloppy, as plain data part of a file
Jan 29 19:18:26 <Macer> StyXman: no?
Jan 29 19:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> I guess
Jan 29 19:18:34 <Macer> is that some sort of better gps nav app?
Jan 29 19:18:47 <DocScrutinizer> or some funny incidence that makes FAT look like MBR
Jan 29 19:18:51 <Macer> beacuse i would have been doing better with stellar navigation than ovi maps
Jan 29 19:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> so no sane way back from superfloppy once kernel decided it's one
Jan 29 19:19:57 <DocScrutinizer> get orrery then ;-P
Jan 29 19:20:16 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: ^^^
Jan 29 19:20:30 <Macer> ?
Jan 29 19:20:31 <Sicelo> lol.. orrery
Jan 29 19:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> or stellarium
Jan 29 19:23:16 <StyXman> Macer: I tried it a bit and it worked for me
Jan 29 19:23:48 <StyXman> actually I don't need much navigation, but you could try
Jan 29 19:23:49 <Sicelo> same here.. add in the voice navigation tweak and u are all set
Jan 29 19:24:08 <StyXman> Sicelo: I never found out how to do it
Jan 29 19:24:21 <StyXman> I never cared that much either :|
Jan 29 19:24:37 <StyXman> I use marble mostly for tracking and digital map
Jan 29 19:25:21 <Sicelo> works for me like a charm.. use the OMVoiceServer method.. nearly fool-proof (i'm quite noob with *nix.. but it worked for me first try)
Jan 29 19:27:17 <StyXman> Sicelo: ah, but you mean for ovinav...
Jan 29 19:27:24 <StyXman> not for marble...
Jan 29 19:27:52 <StyXman> Macer: disclaimer: I couldn't get it to have voice yet
Jan 29 19:28:09 <Macer> lol
Jan 29 19:29:46 <Sicelo> i was talking about ovi maps, yes :)
Jan 29 19:34:33 <StyXman> Macer: and again, I didn't try that much
Jan 29 19:34:40 <StyXman> very hard*
Jan 29 19:45:04 <StyXman> Macer: someone just told me how to enable it 
Jan 29 19:45:12 <StyXman> someone in #marble*
Jan 29 19:45:42 <StyXman> I'm really not used to pres-and-hold as a context menu
Jan 29 20:01:50 <Ikarus> I plan on giving it a shot this summer, porting Maemo (actual Maemo, Harmattan, etc are MEH to me) to another phone out of desperation, my N900 died, they can't get me a replacement and used ones are also pretty EOL.... and erm, tried other phones the last few months and the combination of Maemo + landscape hardware keyboard is hard to beat (sorry N9)
Jan 29 20:02:44 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: :)
Jan 29 20:02:48 <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
Jan 29 20:04:08 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: I'll need it I think
Jan 29 20:04:33 <Ikarus> Droid 2 (or Droid 3 if they managed to get the bootloader worked out by then) is the likely phone
Jan 29 20:05:31 <kerio> a droid 4 will probably be my next phone :(
Jan 29 20:05:36 <SpeedEvil> Here is where I wish there was a nice way to reward people for efforts.
Jan 29 20:05:54 <kerio> and it's going to suck because it's going to be locked down *hard*
Jan 29 20:05:57 <SpeedEvil> A systematic way, I mean.
Jan 29 20:05:58 <kerio> in the best motorola traditions
Jan 29 20:05:59 <Ikarus> kerio: hmhm
Jan 29 20:06:19 <kerio> SpeedEvil: some people achieve that through the exchange of something called money
Jan 29 20:06:28 <SpeedEvil> kerio: Sure.
Jan 29 20:06:43 <SpeedEvil> kerio: I mean a systematic way that would work for funding open-source projects.
Jan 29 20:06:44 <Ikarus> thing with Motorola is that the hardware design is not too exotic and as the only one has a good HW keyboard
Jan 29 20:06:59 <Ikarus> I am sort of forced to go that route
Jan 29 20:07:05 <Ikarus> HTC might be a spare option
Jan 29 20:07:13 <Ikarus> but others are all believers in the way of the iPhone 
Jan 29 20:07:15 <kerio> HTC has no recent phone with a physical keyboard :(
Jan 29 20:07:39 <kerio> some days i just want to say "fuck it" and buy an openpandora
Jan 29 20:07:44 <kerio> but it costs waaaaaaaay too much
Jan 29 20:07:50 <kerio> and the specs are kinda meh
Jan 29 20:07:51 <Ikarus> while erm, my primary use of my N900 shows, I need a hardware keyboard 
Jan 29 20:08:03 <kerio> Ikarus: fuckin ditto
Jan 29 20:09:52 <Ikarus> kerio: anyway, Moto according to Android people uses the same interface to the GSM chip and powermanagment for all their phones
Jan 29 20:10:05 <Ikarus> so if I can get it working on Droid 2, porting it to the 3 and 4 would be easier 
Jan 29 20:10:45 <Ikarus> (Droid 2 is a interesting pick, it's unlocked, it's 2x as fast as the N900, while still being OMAP 3 and is only $200)
Jan 29 20:11:58 <SpeedEvil> And in principle, the platform is - sorta - irrelevant.
Jan 29 20:12:04 <SpeedEvil> As once you have the OS bits...
Jan 29 20:12:07 <SpeedEvil> open source
Jan 29 20:12:08 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: correct
Jan 29 20:12:38 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: the real nightmare is going to be implementing csd and the OMAP powermanagment drivers
Jan 29 20:12:46 <SpeedEvil> Joy!
Jan 29 20:12:49 <SpeedEvil> CSD=?
Jan 29 20:12:52 <Ikarus> Moto uses a custom IC for powermanagment of the OMAP
Jan 29 20:12:57 <SpeedEvil> oh dear.
Jan 29 20:13:05 * SpeedEvil hands Ikarus a bus analyser.
Jan 29 20:13:11 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: just the entire phone call backend 
Jan 29 20:13:33 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: I plan on taking apart the motorola binaries for it
Jan 29 20:14:46 <Ikarus> but in theory, if I can find some circuit diagrams and stick a analyser on it, that might help
Jan 29 20:15:09 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Jan 29 20:15:42 <Ikarus> but I hope to make do with just poking around the binaries
Jan 29 20:15:48 <Ikarus> oh and patching them to do some logging
Jan 29 20:16:06 * SpeedEvil is depressed with this pointless effort.
Jan 29 20:16:17 <SpeedEvil> I mean - of course it's in principle useful.
Jan 29 20:16:25 <SpeedEvil> But there are so many platforms.
Jan 29 20:16:56 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: agreed
Jan 29 20:16:56 * SpeedEvil just wants a few billion to develop a perfect phone.
Jan 29 20:17:06 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: but your perfect phone is not mine sadly
Jan 29 20:17:37 <SpeedEvil> My ideal phone would be pretty much a CPU core, that's trimmable with different shells.
Jan 29 20:17:47 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: ie, gumstix ?
Jan 29 20:17:50 <SpeedEvil> Maybe 2 or 3 CPU cores.
Jan 29 20:17:51 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jan 29 20:18:01 <SpeedEvil> I mean a IP design.
Jan 29 20:18:06 <SpeedEvil> And a way to source parts.
Jan 29 20:18:08 <Ikarus> aah, right
Jan 29 20:18:28 <SpeedEvil> So that it was plausible for people wanting to make 5K phones to get the 'hard part' done.
Jan 29 20:18:53 <SpeedEvil> For example, provide a service to design the 3G modem part on the board, and supply the chips
Jan 29 20:21:08 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: but seriously, for me it's just a way to get a phone that works the way I want it, soon
Jan 29 20:21:14 <Ikarus> dreaming is nice, but meh
Jan 29 20:21:30 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Jan 29 20:21:34 <Ikarus> I'd love a N950 for example, it fit all my requirements, you just can't get them
Jan 29 20:21:46 <Ikarus> hence I'm picking something I can buy now, cheap and in bulk
Jan 29 20:21:52 <Ikarus> that has a proven hardware design
Jan 29 20:30:29 <Ikarus> SpeedEvil: oh, on getting paid for ideas like this
Jan 29 20:30:39 <Ikarus> I might be able to spin it into ETCS for my BSc :)
Jan 29 21:30:18 <SpeedEvil> Ikarus: :)
Jan 29 22:25:55 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: ping
Jan 29 22:27:38 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: pong
Jan 29 22:28:01 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: do you know if an internal hard disk can be exposed via usb?
Jan 29 22:28:18 <DocScrutinizer> mass storage mode?
Jan 29 22:28:32 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: My tv has a usb port and it can write to a usb disk
Jan 29 22:28:39 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: yes 
Jan 29 22:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> well, what's the question exactly?
Jan 29 22:29:28 <trumee> i was wondering if i can connect my computer usb to the tv's usb
Jan 29 22:29:40 <trumee> and use computers internal harddisk.
Jan 29 22:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> hardly, as your computer has a USB host, no peripheral
Jan 29 22:30:27 <trumee> right, that is what i wanted to know. so there is no way to go about this?
Jan 29 22:30:46 <DocScrutinizer> there are way, but you don't want to do this
Jan 29 22:30:58 <freemangordon> trumee, ping
Jan 29 22:31:04 <trumee> freemangordon: pong
Jan 29 22:31:44 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: does it involve hardware mod?
Jan 29 22:31:47 <freemangordon> I will need a couple of minutes to build a (hopefully) fixed kernel, is there any chance you to test it
Jan 29 22:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jan 29 22:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> or expensive kinky adapters
Jan 29 22:32:32 <trumee> freemangordon: ran out of time today, but can do it tomorrow.
Jan 29 22:32:46 <freemangordon> ok, will post a link on KP thread
Jan 29 22:33:17 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: any guide or links will be usefull
Jan 29 22:33:26 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: or even google search term
Jan 29 22:33:48 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: forget it, not worth the effort and expense
Jan 29 22:33:56 <dhbiker> DocScrutinizer: i'm already studying/reading all that stuff
Jan 29 22:33:56 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: ok
Jan 29 22:33:58 <dhbiker> :>
Jan 29 22:34:05 <DocScrutinizer> your best "adapter" is an external USB HDD
Jan 29 22:34:53 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: right.
Jan 29 22:35:44 <DocScrutinizer> there are USB host2host adapters, to link two PCs together, but they use expensive MCU driven mini peripheral-proxy inside, and need special drivers on both hosts
Jan 29 22:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> AFAIK there are some SATA adapters that allow firewire and USB semi-concurrently
Jan 29 22:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> there might also be automatic USB mux switches, that expose the peripheral to the USB host that first does some ENUM
Jan 29 22:39:25 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: thanks for the pointers
Jan 29 22:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> you will not be happy with any of those
Jan 29 22:39:53 <DocScrutinizer> get a el-cheapo USB HDD
Jan 29 22:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> and move it between PC and TV
Jan 29 22:40:55 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: well my mythtv box is setting next to the tv. it has lot of harddisk space, i was hoping to use some of it directly with the tv
Jan 29 22:41:47 <DocScrutinizer> well then you actually might consider getting a USB-peripheral adapter card for the mythtv
Jan 29 22:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> or do some hw hacking to mod a USB host card to periph
Jan 29 22:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> you still would need a transparent storage emulator, the thing we are somethimes missing on N900 so we can't access the eMMC internally while it's exposed to USB mass storage
Jan 29 22:45:05 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: cheers
Jan 29 22:45:34 <DocScrutinizer> even if you'd get such a magic driver, I still don't see how your mythtv would learn to flush disk buffers and reread the possibly changed HDD content via filesystem driver
Jan 29 22:46:37 <DocScrutinizer> each filesystem driver always assumes exclusive control over the storage medium
Jan 29 22:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> (except NFS of course)
Jan 29 22:47:02 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: i guess i will stick with an external usb  hdd :)
Jan 29 22:47:17 <DocScrutinizer> toldya you don't want to go that path
Jan 29 22:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
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