**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 31 02:59:58 2012 Jan 31 03:38:41 is anyway i can force a OTA update on my n900? Jan 31 03:39:27 What revision are you on? Jan 31 03:39:43 The latest was Nov? A trivial diginotar-- fix Jan 31 03:40:09 oldest. Jan 31 03:40:16 hmm Jan 31 03:40:41 First I'd try simply asking the app-manager to update Jan 31 03:41:09 wants me to connect to my pc, lost usb cabling so. Jan 31 03:41:26 Any mini-b cable will work Jan 31 03:41:31 and it wouldnt update via nokia updater on my pc anyways. Jan 31 03:42:03 Micro-b Jan 31 03:42:58 so there is no way to force a update? Jan 31 03:43:11 It's possibly an idea to ask 5-10 hours ago, when the channel is more active Jan 31 03:43:30 Or in another few, when more have woken up Jan 31 03:43:58 ok. Jan 31 03:44:27 i think one reason for it to ask for using pc is too little free space, so you could try uninstalling some bigger apps Jan 31 03:44:46 (if you installed any yet...) Jan 31 03:45:24 ok. Jan 31 03:47:04 games are often big-ish Jan 31 03:47:52 well im going through them now and its like maybe 60 mb combined of just widgets and a couple games. Jan 31 03:54:00 eh didnt work. Jan 31 04:04:33 :( Jan 31 04:04:33 check `details' Jan 31 04:04:34 on the updating error Jan 31 04:04:43 This APT has Super Cow Powers.n~ $ apt-get updatenE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)nE: Unable to lock the list directoryn~ $ apt-get install fremantle-generic-prnE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)nE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? Jan 31 04:04:53 maybe its something else than free space Jan 31 04:05:24 apt needs root, but id say you better let the packagemanager do it Jan 31 04:07:14 hmmm ill have a look around maemo.org there has got to be a way to force it. Jan 31 04:07:49 or maybe the combined updates since your old version just need too much free space... Jan 31 04:08:30 most likely but i can find my micro b cabling, sigh Jan 31 04:08:52 hm well they're not expensive... Jan 31 04:09:28 anyway, bbl Jan 31 04:09:38 cbf going in town, live 15 minutes out, and i know its around here somewhere. Jan 31 04:09:44 thanks for help though Jan 31 04:10:18 np Jan 31 04:28:50 any recommendation for application for N900 which could make POI's for the location? Jan 31 04:29:14 for some reason I could not find the functionality on the default Maps application Jan 31 04:38:56 There are a few geocaching apps Jan 31 04:39:01 search for gps apps Jan 31 04:42:21 I have the adcanced geocaching tool, I'll check it out Jan 31 04:42:51 I'm looking for the feature to record where I'll put a new cache Jan 31 04:43:40 now installing maemomapper (mappero) which at least on n910 could save the pois Jan 31 08:34:49 wow Jan 31 08:34:55 marble is pretty nice Jan 31 08:39:53 http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html Jan 31 08:50:10 macer: Yohoho! Jan 31 08:53:07 heh Jan 31 08:53:18 i just hope it isn't another AI Touchbook fiasco Jan 31 08:53:28 what a total piece of shit that thing was Jan 31 08:53:57 Macer: What? You have not ordered Pandora then? =) Jan 31 08:54:24 hahahaa Jan 31 08:54:24 hey... it might not be vaporware ;) Jan 31 08:54:28 i thought the touchbook was until it was released Jan 31 08:54:41 but then it came out and was a total let down Jan 31 08:55:00 omg that thing was awful Jan 31 08:55:14 the asus transformer was the a touchbook done right lol Jan 31 08:57:25 i wonder if i could put kde active on my transformer Jan 31 08:57:31 that would own Jan 31 10:36:09 nick kurtisgood Jan 31 10:36:51 can anyone help me with any of the qtlockscreen stuff having troubles importing other lockscreens Jan 31 10:48:43 hi, is it possible to read sim info via command line for N900? Jan 31 11:33:33 anyone here know anything about QT programming on the N900? Jan 31 11:43:42 hi there guzs Jan 31 11:43:51 guys* Jan 31 11:44:06 umm... i installed bash 4.x Jan 31 11:44:18 and now i'm wondering how to start it Jan 31 11:48:41 bash Jan 31 11:49:29 -sh: bash: not found Jan 31 12:01:05 * RST38h moos Jan 31 12:02:24 mmm beef <3 Jan 31 12:08:05 dhbiker, bash4 Jan 31 12:11:03 ty ecksun Jan 31 12:11:12 nps Jan 31 12:18:30 hi, is it possible to read sim info via command line for N900? Jan 31 12:21:34 what do you mean by "sim info"? Jan 31 12:21:55 https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_SIM_status ? Jan 31 14:03:20 hey I have a zany idea Jan 31 14:03:37 what about starting asterisk on your n900. Jan 31 14:03:51 dialing into your own server (on the n900) Jan 31 14:04:07 setting n900 as an access point Jan 31 14:04:28 allowing other people to dial into your asterisk server Jan 31 14:04:50 then a conferance call Jan 31 14:04:53 ?????? Jan 31 14:04:55 profit? Jan 31 14:16:06 hey I've been out of the look for a while - whats the latest maemo for n900? Jan 31 14:16:35 1.3.1 Jan 31 14:17:18 my phone reports - 21.2011.38-1.203.1 i'm guessing that is 1.2? Jan 31 14:18:26 not, it is 1.3.1 Jan 31 14:19:12 so i'm on the latest already? Jan 31 14:24:00 yup Jan 31 14:27:41 ok has there been any luck porting MeeGo/Harmattan to n900? Jan 31 14:28:34 or maybe has Mer been revived? Jan 31 14:29:46 Lantizia: mer is alive Jan 31 14:29:53 and has a ux for n900 (nemomobile) Jan 31 14:37:01 But it still sucks. Jan 31 14:42:17 moblin, maemo, mer, meego, tizen Jan 31 14:42:23 at least they stopped with the m's Jan 31 14:43:27 well i've no interest in a html5 only platform (tizen), no interest in anything using rpm's (tizen, _new_ mer, meego)... which leaves only maemo, _old_ mer and meego/harmattan Jan 31 14:43:54 if maemo/harmattan isn't 100% open source then i suppose i can't have that on my n900 (i thought meego _was_ supposed to be 100% open source however) Jan 31 14:44:21 in which case what happened with the rumour that nokia were open sourcing the rest of maemo! i like maemo just the way it is! Jan 31 14:54:19 THere was no rumor about nokia opening maemo Jan 31 15:13:32 vi__, ok then was there an effort to re-implement all the bits that are proprietary? Jan 31 15:14:59 * Lantizia installs cssu testing Jan 31 15:15:00 There still is. Jan 31 15:15:10 is that the cssu? Jan 31 15:15:57 But Nokia refuses to help. Jan 31 15:15:57 Yes Jan 31 15:15:57 Installing CSSU is HIGHLY recommended. Jan 31 15:22:34 hmm.. what the CSSU will bring? Jan 31 15:24:42 oilinki, so far... http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features Jan 31 15:25:38 Lantizia: I was just reading that. Jan 31 15:25:51 basically screen rotation? Jan 31 15:26:11 oilinki, no these too ..http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Jan 31 15:26:15 general fixes for all sorts Jan 31 15:26:35 ok. that sounds more important for me. Jan 31 15:27:04 I'll try with stable Jan 31 15:35:21 and thanks for the idea Jan 31 16:28:54 !seen wazd Jan 31 16:35:51 merlin1991, kernel-power-settings package is not fixed! http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-settings Jan 31 16:36:04 last version 0.13 is missing! Jan 31 16:36:28 was 0.13 in -devel? Jan 31 16:37:21 yes Jan 31 16:40:51 Pali, could you try to increase version number and put it in -devel again Jan 31 16:41:31 AIUI all the database was manually cleaned, maybe the man just missed to re-add tha latest version Jan 31 16:42:58 FYI, KP50 is making me an epic boner. Jan 31 16:43:37 vi__, well, it still has some edgesh to be polished Jan 31 16:43:42 *edges Jan 31 16:47:21 edges to be polished? Enough about my boner. Tell me about KP50. Jan 31 16:48:22 vi__, some users report broken video playback with some videos and stock DSP codecs. And there is one user report for kernel oops in WLAN driver :) Jan 31 16:49:13 freemangordon: the problem is the quality of the reports. Jan 31 16:49:15 both reports ar for KP49 aof course, but still not fixed in pre50 Jan 31 16:49:59 When only 1 user out of >500 have a problem, you can conlude they have in fact broken somthing on their own. Jan 31 16:50:08 well, I have video that is reported to crash DSP, not tested it though Jan 31 16:50:34 vi__, there is mtd oops for wlan driver, so there is something bad in kernel ;) Jan 31 16:50:46 it is not only a report Jan 31 16:50:58 there is a backtrace Jan 31 16:51:06 well, good luck contacting lxp. He cares for maemo not anymore. Jan 31 16:51:16 really? Jan 31 16:51:19 :( Jan 31 16:51:25 ooh, backtrace is like DNA at a crime scene! Jan 31 16:51:45 I was hoping for some help from lxp. Jan 31 16:52:08 freemangordon: Well I do not know that for CERTAIN, however he only released the 'bleeding edge' driver to recoup the loss he made from programming it. Jan 31 16:52:28 He was to be payed by the original backtrack mobile people, Jan 31 16:52:35 and they failed him. Jan 31 16:52:43 yeah, I know the story Jan 31 16:52:55 I think he recovered most of his losses. Jan 31 16:53:13 So one can assume fixing some bug will be quite low on his list of priorities. Jan 31 16:53:24 damn, we need at least one more man involved in kernel-power Jan 31 16:53:38 but seems noone is interested Jan 31 16:53:48 freemangordon: People are interested. Jan 31 16:53:57 They just do not have the skills/time to help. Jan 31 16:54:03 yeah, but not in chasing bugs Jan 31 16:55:45 freemangordon: are you referring to a particular bug? Jan 31 16:56:01 yeah, the wlan bug. Jan 31 16:56:11 the kernel oops Jan 31 16:57:01 it shoulkd be relatively easy to be found, as it is a segfault in memcmp . null pointer or something Jan 31 16:58:16 and I really was hoping the author to help, as he is familiar with the subsystem. Anywa pali sent him a mail, lets see if he will respond. Jan 31 16:59:51 freemangordon: I hope so. Jan 31 17:02:50 pali, ping **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 31 17:23:32 2012 Jan 31 18:17:32 merlin1991, freemangordon: kernel-power-settings is in extras-testing! Jan 31 18:17:40 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.13/ Jan 31 18:18:17 I pushed version 0.13 and promoted to extras-testing without problem Jan 31 18:49:30 * DocScrutinizer moos frozen Jan 31 19:39:01 mgedmin: ping Jan 31 19:43:30 DocScrutinizer, pong? Jan 31 19:44:32 mgedmin: xchat maintainer? Jan 31 19:45:59 secalert@redhat.com and security@debian.com search for you Jan 31 19:46:36 I've no idea who maintains xchat Jan 31 19:46:57 errr Jan 31 19:48:03 http://maemo.org/packages/view/xchat/ Maintainers: Marius Gedminas, Marat Fayzullin Jan 31 19:48:54 yes, I just noticed Jan 31 19:49:12 what was I doing back then... ? Jan 31 19:49:19 nfc :-D Jan 31 19:49:38 call it NMU'ing :) Jan 31 19:50:00 2.8.4-diablo0mg2 is mine Jan 31 19:51:11 I think RST38h was the one who uploaded later versions? Jan 31 19:51:16 ping him ;) Jan 31 19:51:24 yes, prolly. Jan 31 19:54:19 hm, from http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras_free_armel/xchat/2.8.4-diablo0mg2/ HOW DO I GET TO THE SOURCE? Jan 31 19:54:54 repository.maemo.org/extras Jan 31 19:59:35 xchat is not present in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/x/ Jan 31 19:59:52 is maemo.org violating the GPL or what? Jan 31 20:00:55 how do I forcibly kill a process? Jan 31 20:00:59 kill -11 isn't workin Jan 31 20:01:27 kill -9 Jan 31 20:01:32 If that doesn't work, reboot. Jan 31 20:02:01 kill -SIGKILL Jan 31 20:02:08 is the genuine way Jan 31 20:02:36 though POSIX says SIGKIL *has to* be 9 Jan 31 20:03:05 so kill -9 is the short form Jan 31 20:03:13 uninterruptible sleep sucks Jan 31 20:03:43 a process that doesn't die on SIGKILL is probably a fake process instantiated by a rootkit Jan 31 20:04:21 or a zombie Jan 31 20:04:42 yeah, but zombie age passed wince some 5 years now Jan 31 20:05:06 actually you hardly ever see a zombie process nowadays Jan 31 20:05:23 thanks to improved kernel Jan 31 20:06:48 whAt? Jan 31 20:07:08 zombies are processes that died and their parent did not call wait() on them Jan 31 20:07:09 it's POSIX Jan 31 20:07:29 how can the kernel do something about that? Jan 31 20:07:41 still get zombies every now and then Jan 31 20:09:33 mgedmin: afaik kernel force-cleanout zombies after a while Jan 31 20:10:05 interesting Jan 31 20:10:10 [citation needed] ;) Jan 31 20:10:32 formerly when a zombie's parent died, the zombie 'lived on' forever, no? Jan 31 20:11:21 now the zombie is inherited to process #1 and immediately vanishes - all AFAIK and Jan 31 20:13:00 no, it was always like that -- parent dies, children get reparented to init, init reaps all zombies Jan 31 20:13:24 hmm, NFC then, maybe I dreamt something ;-D Jan 31 20:15:24 anyway I've not seen any zombie for yeras now, except that one sucker always creared by HPLIP Jan 31 20:15:56 created* Jan 31 20:16:03 my collectd graphs show 2 zombies on one machine Jan 31 20:16:11 one day I'll find some time to investigate Jan 31 20:16:19 while they're not multiplying I'm not worried Jan 31 20:16:35 zombies hardly have sex Jan 31 20:16:40 now back in 1999 zombie fetchmail processes brought down my desktop Jan 31 20:16:46 CFEngine sometimes goes all zombie-infestation-mode sometimes. Jan 31 20:17:25 (process table full, couldn't start anything -- including /bin/ps) Jan 31 20:17:42 mgedmin: yeah, nasty Jan 31 20:18:05 * DocScrutinizer wonders if exec top in a shell would work Jan 31 20:18:32 it had X running, so I closed some xterms and could run one process in the other xterms ;) Jan 31 20:18:44 at least for 5 minutes, until the next cron-scheduled fetchmail run Jan 31 20:18:56 and kill is a shell builtin Jan 31 20:18:58 since posix threads are in fact processes for all that's relevant to process table, it got even worse I guess Jan 31 20:19:12 so is echo, and while Jan 31 20:19:31 DocScrutinizer: it does work Jan 31 20:19:59 which means you can echo /proc/* and get a poor-man's ps Jan 31 20:20:05 and poor man's cat Jan 31 20:20:06 indeed Jan 31 20:20:27 cat /proc/* Jan 31 20:21:02 echo proc/* is a bit useless, except for poor man's ls Jan 31 20:21:10 err Jan 31 20:21:11 ps you mean Jan 31 20:21:15 * DocScrutinizer hides Jan 31 20:21:51 jr@halley:~> echo /proc/* Jan 31 20:21:52 /proc/1 /proc/10 /proc/10430 /proc/10745 /proc/10746 /proc/10776 /proc/1093 /proc/11 /proc/11229 /proc/11301 /proc/1138 /proc/11608 /proc/11832 /proc/11924 /proc/12 /proc/1207 /proc/1212 /proc/1213 /proc/1217 /proc/1218 /proc/1226 /proc/1227 /proc/13 /proc/1304 /proc/1309 /proc/1318 /proc/1320 /proc/1328 /proc/1329 /proc/13604 /proc/1365 /proc/1367 /proc/13686 /proc/1369 /proc/1371 /proc/1396 /proc/14 /proc/1418 /proc/14920 /proc/1497 /proc/ Jan 31 20:21:54 1498 /proc/15 /proc/1561 /proc/1569 /proc/1572 /proc/1575 /proc/1599 /proc/16 /proc/1612 /proc/1625 /proc/1628 /proc/16551 /proc/16553 /proc/1667 /proc/17 /proc/17087 /proc/17149 /proc/17153 /proc/17211 /proc/1733 /proc/1771 /proc/18 /proc/1813 /proc/18686 /proc/1871 /proc/1881 /proc/19 /proc/19464 /proc Jan 31 20:22:20 oops, not complete, but still more than I planned to c&p Jan 31 20:22:22 (Or, to be fair to CFEngine, "did go"; they had some file-descriptor leak bug, and also another bug which would leave an un-wait()d child when it ran out of file descriptors, at a rate of one/15 minutes. Had over a thousand accumulate. Though the "zombie attack" comments admittedly made the issue tracker more lively.) Jan 31 20:23:12 jr@halley:~> echo /proc/*|wc Jan 31 20:23:13 1 273 3120 Jan 31 20:24:09 jr@halley:~> type cat Jan 31 20:24:11 cat is /bin/cat Jan 31 20:26:07 jr@halley:~> type -t echo cat ps Jan 31 20:26:08 builtin Jan 31 20:26:10 file Jan 31 20:26:11 file Jan 31 20:27:22 fizzie: slomo fork bomb Jan 31 20:29:21 I had a brilliant fork bomb on maemo, when I had the brillinat idea to keep simple shellscript in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* Jan 31 20:30:17 hildon and maemo still *somewhat* worked Jan 31 20:30:27 but sloooooooooow XP Jan 31 20:31:31 I guess OOM daemon kicked in, trying to keep system alive Jan 31 20:40:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders wtf he got THREE processes "/usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video1" Jan 31 20:42:05 nm, mixed up my htop settings for "show threads" Feb 01 01:48:35 so i'm trying to flash my n900, i installed flasher 3.5, and whne i try to run it i get bash: /usr/bin/flasher: No such file or directory **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 02:59:57 2012