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Feb 02 04:55:09 <deckarde> /?
Feb 02 06:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> ??
Feb 02 06:35:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather EDDN 
Feb 02 06:35:09 <infobot> Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.02.02 0620 UTC; Dew Point: -4 F (-20 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.27 in. Hg (1025 hPa); Relative Humidity: 51%; Temperature: 10 F (-12 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (060 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT); Windchill: 0 F (-18 C)
Feb 02 06:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> BRRRRRRR
Feb 02 06:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: mgedmin: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2012/02/01/4
Feb 02 06:46:58 <DocScrutinizer> (xchat)
Feb 02 06:47:11 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
Feb 02 08:53:27 <edheldil> DocScrutinizer:  look at LKPR :)
Feb 02 10:47:24 <kerio> cool, i didn't know the Spark ran Mer
Feb 02 11:14:07 <Gear_> hey
Feb 02 11:14:34 <Gear_> is this channel still primarily n900 related?
Feb 02 11:18:02 <Gear__> hello
Feb 02 11:18:53 <Gear__> how can I find a list of supported HID devices by H-E-N
Feb 02 11:19:59 <Gear__> n900 usb host mode
Feb 02 11:23:10 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/02/windows_phone_get_going/
Feb 02 11:30:20 <DocScrutinizer51> edheldil: what's (on) LKPR?
Feb 02 11:33:16 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/02/02/concept_bamboo_smartphone_adzero_in_production/ <-- hmm
Feb 02 12:24:57 <Wizzup> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatprima toch
Feb 02 12:25:00 <Wizzup> er
Feb 02 12:25:01 <Wizzup> lag.
Feb 02 12:25:07 * Wizzup runs
Feb 02 12:33:33 <merlin1991> Wizzup: wtf was that?
Feb 02 12:34:44 <Wizzup> merlin1991: Well, lag. I obviously wanted to send it to another channel
Feb 02 12:35:15 <Wizzup> I think I was pressing super + a instead of alt + a
Feb 02 12:35:27 <Wizzup> I was in XOFF mode, so I didn't see what I was typing due to extremely slow connection
Feb 02 12:35:38 <merlin1991> ah irssi :D
Feb 02 12:35:41 <Wizzup> When I used XON again, I saw I had send it to the wrong channel
Feb 02 12:35:41 <Wizzup> yes
Feb 02 12:36:30 <merlin1991> quassel ftw ;)
Feb 02 12:36:55 <Wizzup> Well, I'm on windows atm due to uni machines only having windows in this room
Feb 02 12:36:58 <Wizzup> so putty works
Feb 02 12:40:54 <merlin1991> quassel works on win too ;)
Feb 02 12:41:28 <edheldil> DocScrutinizer:  even more degrees below zero than EDDN. But never mind
Feb 02 15:19:22 <staz> is the ssh server down? why I tried to upload via scp I get a Connect to host drop.maemo.org port 22 : Connection timed out
Feb 02 15:22:09 <staz> and I get a  click in the contact view, 
Feb 02 15:22:17 <staz> erm
Feb 02 15:22:43 <staz> I get a "scp returned a nonzero exit code" almost immediatly when I use dput
Feb 02 15:23:12 <staz> it's my first upload so maybe I did something wrong
Feb 02 16:37:19 <vi___> Hello
Feb 02 16:37:34 <vi___> is it possible to connect 2 bluetooth headsets to the n900 at once?
Feb 02 16:37:44 <vi___> Then route audio from one headset to the other?
Feb 02 16:39:42 <kerio> well, there's definetely enough bandwidth to do so, for one way
Feb 02 16:39:46 <kerio> not sure about two-way though
Feb 02 17:09:20 <timeless> kerio: can the n900 do a2dp? (as the client not host)
Feb 02 17:09:52 <kerio> timeless: well, it has bluetooth :)
Feb 02 17:10:55 <timeless> yeah..
Feb 02 17:15:57 <kerio> timeless: so... write a program to do so? :D
Feb 02 17:22:51 <kerio> timeless: not sure if you can do something with pulseaudio to do that automagically
Feb 02 17:22:52 <kerio> probably not
Feb 02 17:23:43 <kerio> is there enough bandwidth to transmit a2dp-like stereo *and* a mono mic through bluetooth?
Feb 02 17:29:15 <tank-man> kerio, i believe so, i can do it with my mw600, bluetooth headset
Feb 02 17:29:25 <tank-man> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mw600?lc=en&cc=gb
Feb 02 17:29:32 <kerio> is that a particular sony thing?
Feb 02 17:29:46 <kerio> i meant at the same time, mind you
Feb 02 17:29:46 <tank-man> no, it is bluetooth
Feb 02 17:30:52 <tank-man> like listening to music and talking at same time?
Feb 02 17:30:57 <kerio> yeah
Feb 02 17:31:21 <tank-man> my music app auto pauses when incomming call
Feb 02 17:31:34 <tank-man> dont know
Feb 02 17:31:44 <kerio> tank-man: well, that's not at the same time, is it
Feb 02 17:31:54 <kerio> it just switches from a2dp to hsp or hfp
Feb 02 17:32:37 <Gear_> hey there's a linux app for this keychain "photoframe" that turns it into an external display
Feb 02 17:33:03 <Gear_> I was wondering if it'd compile with the n900 kernel and work with usb
Feb 02 17:34:11 <dRbiG> hello... i've managed to rip off the usb socket along with traces, does anyone have any idea if there are any other points on the board where i can access usb traces?...
Feb 02 17:34:44 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Feb 02 17:35:05 <Gear_> to his question or mine
Feb 02 17:35:05 <SpeedEvil> There is a page on it - perhaps on the wiki - maybe TMO, with solderpoints
Feb 02 17:35:18 <Gear_> http://spritesmods.com/?art=picframe
Feb 02 17:35:20 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, I'm aFK at the moment
Feb 02 17:35:33 <tank-man> kerio, yea, i cant
Feb 02 17:35:34 <Gear_> any chance this could work?
Feb 02 17:35:39 <dRbiG> SpeedEvil: thank you, i'll google and try to find it
Feb 02 17:35:49 <kerio> tank-man: it's not possible with any consumer hardware, i think
Feb 02 17:35:55 <dRbiG> it so sad to have a perfectly working n900 without the ability to charge the battery...
Feb 02 17:36:03 <kerio> i was talking about the possibility to do so
Feb 02 17:36:14 <kerio> dRbiG: buy an external battery charger, in the meantime
Feb 02 17:36:22 <Gear_> dRbiG there are external... what he said
Feb 02 17:36:34 <Gear_> like 10 bucks max
Feb 02 17:36:46 <kerio> try not to use them for a long period though
Feb 02 17:37:05 <kerio> they're chinese crap, they'll seriously eat your battery
Feb 02 17:37:36 * kerio says, while looking at his crappy chinese battery charger he's been using for more than a year and a half now
Feb 02 17:37:41 <Gear_> mine doesn't quite charge the battery full but I got it as an emergency thing and it has USB ports
Feb 02 17:38:30 <Gear_> my 2nd n900 should come in the mail tomorrow
Feb 02 17:38:39 <Gear_> what's something cool to do with 2 of them
Feb 02 17:39:37 <Gear_> (apart from locking one in a moisture proof place for the possibility of the first one breaking badly)
Feb 02 17:39:53 <kerio> Gear_: you could send it to me!
Feb 02 17:40:09 <Gear_> I'd rather use them as video walkie talkies using gstreamer
Feb 02 17:40:32 <Gear_> or just dedicate one to an internet tablet and the new one as my actual phone
Feb 02 17:41:38 <Gear_> for something that's got pretty awesome hardware there is ONE "music production" app, and it's a port of milkytracker from the fricken amiga
Feb 02 17:42:34 <Gear_> unless there are some repositories I'm missing out on, I can't find anything audio/music related
Feb 02 17:42:52 <kerio> Gear_: PA sucks enough when you're just playing sound you already have
Feb 02 17:42:58 <kerio> and you want to actually *make* more?
Feb 02 17:43:21 <Gear_> yeah I'm very sure. I've been doing it on a nintendo DS so far
Feb 02 17:43:44 <Gear_> (another tracker program)
Feb 02 17:44:37 <Gear_> there's some live stuff and I've made some hardware for the ds but there's a goddamn appaling lack of anything audio related for the n900
Feb 02 17:44:43 <Gear_> something I thought people would be all over
Feb 02 17:46:13 <nicofs> Does anyone know something about issues using JoikuSpot and encrypted WLAN?
Feb 02 18:56:44 <staz> how do you modify who is the maintainer of a package?
Feb 02 18:58:37 <Robot101> in Debian, upload with a new Maintainer: field in debian/control
Feb 02 19:19:20 <Estel_> Hi there, Maemo.
Feb 02 19:20:16 <Estel_> Little question from developing noob - how to easily make .sh script reading certain values from config file (user-editable)
Feb 02 19:21:08 <Estel_> define some values as 'value=$cat config_file | grep blabla', or what?
Feb 02 19:22:14 <Estel_> the thing is, that I've prepared some scripts for next TrueCrypt release - automating "switching" to encrypted swap when needed, and going back to regular swap afterwards
Feb 02 19:23:03 <Estel_> Now, I would like to allow users define their swap and encrypted partitions locations via easy editable text file, instead of pointing them to edit sctipt itself
Feb 02 19:23:42 <Estel_> nooby question, I suppos, but any hints on 'proper' approach appreciated :)
Feb 02 19:24:25 <Estel_> BTW, SpeedEvil, some time ago You've told me about certain ext4 value, desined to help in case of flash device. wide-something, related to our block writing
Feb 02 19:24:40 <SpeedEvil> Don't think I did
Feb 02 19:24:41 <Estel_> I can't seem to find it, could You please tell me again how it was called?
Feb 02 19:24:59 <Estel_> oh, sorry, it seems that my memory fades :/
Feb 02 19:33:54 <RzR> hi
Feb 02 19:34:18 <RzR> is navicore still usable ? or they killed it ?
Feb 02 19:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: might have been ShadowJK
Feb 02 19:40:24 <Gear_> is there a way to find the devices supported by H-E-N ?
Feb 02 19:40:27 <NIN102> Estel_: hell-builtin "source" is what you are looking for I think.
Feb 02 19:40:38 <NIN102> s/hell-builtin/shell-builtin
Feb 02 19:46:02 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  thanks, will help in log searchs, or I'll just ask him in case of failure
Feb 02 19:46:13 <Estel_> NIN102,  thanks, will google about this function
Feb 02 19:48:36 <Estel_> NIN102,  source seems to load file and execute commands from it
Feb 02 19:48:49 <NIN102> and you can define your variables...
Feb 02 19:48:54 <Estel_> how could it also parse config-like files, and get variables from it?
Feb 02 19:49:19 <NIN102> foo=bar?
Feb 02 19:49:22 <Estel_> yea, but config file should be user friendly. Of course, I can put blabla=$blabla1 there
Feb 02 19:49:36 <DocScrutinizer> NIN102: nope
Feb 02 19:49:37 <Estel_> well, doesn't sound bad
Feb 02 19:49:37 <NIN102> and why not?
Feb 02 19:49:58 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  please continue?
Feb 02 19:50:19 <NIN102> DocScrutinizer: why "nope"?
Feb 02 19:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> IIRC it was sth along fs-driver parameters for ext4 on flash, like erasepage-width=2048
Feb 02 19:51:00 <NIN102> we were talking  about config variables for shellscripts
Feb 02 19:51:01 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  thanks. It's about diferrent topic, yet still thanks :)
Feb 02 19:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, I missed a topic jump
Feb 02 19:52:05 <Estel_> We're multitasking a little ;)
Feb 02 19:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> Gear_: list what?
Feb 02 19:53:08 <DocScrutinizer> find devices supported by h-e-n?
Feb 02 19:53:17 <DocScrutinizer> what do you mean?
Feb 02 19:54:16 <Estel_> probably, he mean things, that we have modules/drivers for, or at least, linux have, and we can use them on Maemo ;)
Feb 02 19:54:25 <Estel_> i.e. "let me google that for You"
Feb 02 19:54:26 <RzR> j #nbada
Feb 02 19:55:27 <Estel_> so, Gear_ , the answer is "H-E-N" support every device, that is USB compatible - it can enumerate it. Further support is not related to HEN
Feb 02 19:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Feb 02 19:57:06 <DocScrutinizer> except some gadgets that need isochronous mode on USB, maemo usb kernel driver doesn't support that
Feb 02 19:57:20 <Gear_> HEN had a kernel that came with it
Feb 02 19:57:23 <Gear_> but not anymore
Feb 02 19:57:33 <Gear_> so if a device needs a driver what do I do?
Feb 02 19:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> well, we joined the hostmode patches to powerkernel
Feb 02 19:58:14 <Gear_> awesome
Feb 02 19:58:36 <DocScrutinizer> and if you need a driver that'S not readily available for powerkernel, you build it - for powerkernel :-)
Feb 02 19:58:49 <Gear_> I don't know how to do that.
Feb 02 19:59:15 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  for sake of curiosity, what kind of devices need isochronous mode on USB?
Feb 02 19:59:27 <Estel_> gadgets, I mean. USB gadgets.
Feb 02 19:59:39 <DocScrutinizer> then you drop by here and ask if some nice soul would do that for you, e.g pali or freemangordon or MohammadAG or ...
Feb 02 19:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: some webcams
Feb 02 20:00:04 <DocScrutinizer> some low latency audiocards
Feb 02 20:00:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not too sure about particular devices that use isochronous mode
Feb 02 20:01:23 <Estel_> I see. quasi-realtime, without ensuring that no data will be lost
Feb 02 20:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> probably most will fall back to a more common (bulk?) mode when iso isn't available
Feb 02 20:01:55 <Gear_> are game controllers east to get working
Feb 02 20:01:57 <Estel_> where guaranteed data rate is more important than ensuring no data loss.
Feb 02 20:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: yep
Feb 02 20:02:17 <Gear_> I'm wating for a host mode cable before I can actually try this
Feb 02 20:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> Gear_: game controllers should be utterly easy to get working
Feb 02 20:02:49 <Estel_> Gear_,  I created my hostmode cable myself. Even incorporated twisted-pair and shielding/screening ;)
Feb 02 20:03:26 <Gear_> I don't really have anything to cut up so I got a couple of host mode cables off ebay
Feb 02 20:03:36 <DocScrutinizer> not recommended - though GOD I've seen adapters soooo bad
Feb 02 20:04:20 <DocScrutinizer> this friggin thing that swapped GND and VBUS :-o
Feb 02 20:04:24 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  my adapter went bad, so I just dissasembled it (it was assembled "once for all", so ĩ've torn it apart" is more true", then used only ports
Feb 02 20:04:31 <Estel_> lol
Feb 02 20:05:12 <Gear_> the n8X0 cables should work though?
Feb 02 20:05:15 <Estel_> well, most things that You can buy, even when not screwed, doesn't have port case connected to ground
Feb 02 20:05:37 <Estel_> so, there is only screening at best, not shielding
Feb 02 20:05:41 <DocScrutinizer> the guy who purchased that one was actually lucky he didn't fry a single of his gadgets he tried to get working on N900
Feb 02 20:06:07 <Estel_> like the guy, who tried to use wire-only USB o LAN adapter?
Feb 02 20:06:18 <Estel_> as LAN-to-USB gadget?
Feb 02 20:06:42 <DocScrutinizer> ouch, another nice one, YEAH
Feb 02 20:06:44 <Estel_> he was lucky, that he didn't connected it to line with 50V, or so
Feb 02 20:06:52 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Feb 02 20:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> "no boy, this is NOT an 'adapter'!"
Feb 02 20:07:43 <Estel_> blame english language with many meanings for single world. Actually, it *adapts* plugs ;)
Feb 02 20:08:00 <DocScrutinizer> well, I have to say RJ45 are used for a mindboggling lot of usecases
Feb 02 20:08:14 * DocScrutinizer glares at his flashing mount
Feb 02 20:08:22 <Gear_> where are you guys from?
Feb 02 20:08:22 <Estel_> hah.
Feb 02 20:08:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'm bastard operator from hell
Feb 02 20:08:43 <Estel_> I'm not dating on Maemo IRC, sorry.
Feb 02 20:09:16 <NIN102> why not? the idea is kinda funny (assuming there girls in here :P)
Feb 02 20:09:27 <DocScrutinizer> actually this feels like a special hell right now:
Feb 02 20:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather EDDN 
Feb 02 20:09:33 <infobot> Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.02.02 1950 UTC; Dew Point: -2 F (-19 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.36 in. Hg (1028 hPa); Relative Humidity: 47%; Temperature: 14 F (-10 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT); Windchill: 5 F (-15 C)
Feb 02 20:09:45 <Estel_> seriously though, Poland. May I aks why You ask?     BTW, we're not so scarry, as it seems from last messags
Feb 02 20:10:10 <Estel_> o f... infobot got weather? DocScrutinizer, You could tell me that instead of onjoin ;)
Feb 02 20:10:30 <Estel_> is there any way to make it auto-show weather data when certain individual connects?
Feb 02 20:10:33 <Estel_> Joking.
Feb 02 20:10:50 <Estel_> ~weather Posen
Feb 02 20:10:53 <infobot> ;  ; last updated:  
Feb 02 20:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> OMG I told estel about infobot weather, now the climate here will be fsckd forever ;-P
Feb 02 20:11:00 <Estel_> thanks a lot...
Feb 02 20:11:22 <Estel_> expect ice age ;)
Feb 02 20:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~+help weather
Feb 02 20:11:52 <infobot> no help on weather.  Use 'help' without arguments.
Feb 02 20:12:02 <DocScrutinizer> WUT?
Feb 02 20:12:26 <Gear__> I hate this router
Feb 02 20:12:49 <Estel_> ~weather Poznań
Feb 02 20:12:51 <infobot> ;  ; last updated:  
Feb 02 20:12:55 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather exds
Feb 02 20:12:57 <infobot> I can't find station code "EXDS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Feb 02 20:13:11 <Estel_> oh, thanks
Feb 02 20:13:24 <Gear_> I asked because it seemed english wasn't your first language
Feb 02 20:14:18 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I'm using an acquired accent on IRC, to fool users
Feb 02 20:14:21 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Feb 02 20:14:29 <Estel_> ~weather EPPO
Feb 02 20:14:31 <infobot> Poznan, Poland; (EPPO) 52-25N 016-50E 92M; last updated: 2012.02.02 2000 UTC; Dew Point: 0 F (-18 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.56 in. Hg (1035 hPa); Relative Humidity: 71%; Temperature: 6 F (-14 C); Visibility: 2 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT)
Feb 02 20:16:00 <Estel_> BTW, last few days I got troubles connecting to freenode. Seriously, I though that You've had something to do with it, DocScrutinizer ;)
Feb 02 20:25:25 <merlin1991> wtf
Feb 02 20:25:49 <merlin1991> according to the list we have like a lot of stations in austria, but not a single one in vienna
Feb 02 20:26:11 <merlin1991> fsckd localization
Feb 02 20:26:18 <merlin1991> list is in german and I didn't notice :P
Feb 02 20:27:47 <Gear_> any in australia
Feb 02 20:28:13 <merlin1991> ~weather 11034
Feb 02 20:28:15 <infobot> I can't find station code "11034" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Feb 02 20:28:27 <merlin1991> *fu infobot
Feb 02 20:28:36 <merlin1991> ~weather LOWW
Feb 02 20:28:39 <infobot> Wien / Schwechat-Flughafen, Austria; (LOWW) 48-07N 016-34E 190M; last updated: 2012.02.02 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 0 F (-18 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.42 in. Hg (1030 hPa); Relative Humidity: 66%; Temperature: 8 F (-13 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NNW (340 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT); Windchill: -7 F (-22 C)
Feb 02 20:29:04 <merlin1991> bah invalid data, too far away
Feb 02 20:31:52 <Gear_> 13c here
Feb 02 20:32:07 <Gear_> but it's 0733
Feb 02 20:32:24 <Gear_> be 30's later
Feb 02 20:37:14 <ruskie> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Peek-Classic-Pronto-9-leftovers/?kc=rss
Feb 02 20:38:22 * DocScrutinizer yawns and ponders booze until the freezing point is below ambient temperature
Feb 02 20:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> for windshield wash it works :-D
Feb 02 20:41:33 <merlin1991> hehe booze in the windshield water is the perfect solution to ice on your windshield :P
Feb 02 20:43:36 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Feb 02 20:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Feb 02 20:45:05 <DocScrutinizer> logitech MX 5500
Feb 02 20:45:45 <Sicelo> i seem to be having a weird issue with bootmenu. i can't get BackupMenu to start with slide out. a reinstall of both doesn't help. i just remain with the white nokia logo till the timeout (30sec) ends, and i'm booted into maemo 
Feb 02 20:45:49 <Sicelo> :/
Feb 02 20:47:16 <NIN102> get rid of bootmenu :P 
Feb 02 20:47:27 <NIN102> ~bootmenu
Feb 02 20:47:28 <Sicelo> :D
Feb 02 20:47:40 <Sicelo> i wish i could. but i need it for BackupMenu
Feb 02 20:47:54 <NIN102> ah then I confused it with multiboot or so.
Feb 02 20:47:55 <Sicelo> btw, u are not confusing it with multi-boot, are u?
Feb 02 20:48:02 <Sicelo> ah, guessed so :D
Feb 02 20:48:07 <NIN102> :-)
Feb 02 20:48:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~multiboot
Feb 02 20:48:11 <infobot> [multiboot] at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html
Feb 02 20:48:23 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
Feb 02 20:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~#maemo multiboot
Feb 02 20:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Feb 02 20:49:21 <Sicelo> ~nitdroid
Feb 02 20:49:21 <infobot> hmm... nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.
Feb 02 20:49:37 <Sicelo> ~maemo-multiboot
Feb 02 20:49:37 <infobot> methinks maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Feb 02 20:49:46 <blueslee> ~infobot
Feb 02 20:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo multiboot
Feb 02 20:49:46 <infobot> from memory, infobot is happy
Feb 02 20:49:47 <infobot> multiboot -- it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 36s ago.
Feb 02 20:49:58 <DocScrutinizer> aaah
Feb 02 20:50:25 <blueslee> ~aah:-)
Feb 02 20:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~#maemo multiboot is <replly>see maemo-multiboot
Feb 02 20:50:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Feb 02 20:50:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~#maemo multiboot is <reply>see maemo-multiboot
Feb 02 20:50:41 <infobot> ...but #maemo multiboot is already something else...
Feb 02 20:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, #maemo multiboot is <reply>see maemo-multiboot
Feb 02 20:50:58 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Feb 02 20:51:08 <DocScrutinizer> ~multiboot
Feb 02 20:51:08 <infobot> hmm... multiboot is at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html
Feb 02 20:51:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~#maemo multiboot
Feb 02 20:51:25 <infobot> maemo-multiboot is, like, deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Feb 02 20:51:29 <Sicelo> btw, that link is blank DocScrutinizer, at least for me
Feb 02 20:52:16 <Gear_> it keeps telling me to update maemo multiboot
Feb 02 20:52:33 <Gear_> I can't remember why it's on there
Feb 02 20:52:44 <Gear_> nothing multiboots anyway
Feb 02 20:52:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo multiboot
Feb 02 20:52:45 <infobot> multiboot -- it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 36s ago.
Feb 02 20:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> seems defect
Feb 02 20:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo #maemo multiboot
Feb 02 20:53:40 <infobot> #maemo multiboot -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 3m 9s ago; last modified 2m 41s ago  by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer, 2m 15s ago.
Feb 02 20:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~multiboot
Feb 02 20:57:34 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Feb 02 20:58:10 <Sicelo> if only i could get bootmenu to work again.. 
Feb 02 20:58:20 <Sicelo> what version of libc6 do u guys have?
Feb 02 20:58:48 <DocScrutinizer> bootmenu is a shell script
Feb 02 20:59:12 <Gear_> is there a working version of ubuntu yet?
Feb 02 21:00:24 <ShadowJK> Estel_; i dont think it was me, but stride-width, stripe-width or something like that?
Feb 02 21:00:24 <Sicelo> yes DocScrutinizer ... 
Feb 02 21:12:12 <jacekowski> fosdem anyone?
Feb 02 21:12:35 <Gh0sty> y
Feb 02 21:13:34 * rZr _o/
Feb 02 21:18:57 <rZr> jacekowski: are you ?
Feb 02 21:19:03 <jacekowski> yes
Feb 02 21:19:46 <rZr> if the earth do not freeze since that day
Feb 02 21:19:58 <rZr> before that day
Feb 02 21:20:06 <jacekowski> well, it's tomorrow
Feb 02 21:20:31 <rZr> i'll be in bxl tomorrow nite
Feb 02 21:30:26 <Estel_> thanks ShadowJK, will check that
Feb 02 21:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> fosdem? can't afford such fun
Feb 02 22:40:12 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: afford? 
Feb 02 22:40:16 <Gh0sty> its a free conference
Feb 02 22:40:25 <Gh0sty> and afaik you live in germany 
Feb 02 22:40:38 <Gh0sty> so you're only a small drive away ... 
Feb 02 22:52:23 <Estel_> another noob devel question: while writin sh script,  may use a || after a command, and thing written after it gets executed in case, that command *before* dual-pipe fail
Feb 02 22:52:45 <Estel_> so, DO foo || echo bar
Feb 02 22:52:55 <Estel_> results in bar, when foo fails
Feb 02 22:53:16 <Estel_> yet, if I try to DO foo || echo bar && exit
Feb 02 22:53:49 <Estel_> it exits no matter if foo suceed or not, as thing after && is recognized as next command (not as after-|| content)
Feb 02 22:54:42 <Estel_> any other, better way to include failsafe mechanism in my scripts? preferrably, one that doesn't include epic IF cascades?
Feb 02 22:54:54 <DocScrutinizer> no DO
Feb 02 22:55:38 <Estel_> generally, I want to write things, that inform user about errors *and* roll-back changes made before by this script *and* exit afterward
Feb 02 22:55:48 <DocScrutinizer> a || b && c; is a bit tricky
Feb 02 22:56:06 <Estel_> hm...
Feb 02 22:56:20 <DocScrutinizer> use if; then; else
Feb 02 22:56:50 <Estel_> ok, but how to prepare if that check if a was succeed?
Feb 02 22:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> a && b  is the same as if a; then b; fi;
Feb 02 22:57:02 <Estel_> i.e. simple example
Feb 02 22:57:06 <Estel_> yea, noticed that
Feb 02 22:57:13 <Estel_> for example, i want
Feb 02 22:57:26 <Estel_> swapon /dev/foo
Feb 02 22:57:31 <Estel_> and in case of fail
Feb 02 22:57:44 <Estel_> return info and exit
Feb 02 22:57:56 <Estel_> then, later in script
Feb 02 22:58:04 <Estel_> swapoff /dev/bar
Feb 02 22:58:32 <Estel_> and in case of fail, inform user, swapoff /dev/foo #that was swapon before and exit
Feb 02 22:58:37 <Estel_> and so goes on
Feb 02 22:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> a && b  is the same as if a; then b; fi;
Feb 02 22:58:58 <DocScrutinizer> err
Feb 02 22:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
Feb 02 22:59:01 <Estel_> script, that in case of error at any stage, roll-back itself, inform, and exit, to not leave user with mess
Feb 02 22:59:07 <DocScrutinizer> if ! false; then echo "been ok"; exit 0; fi
Feb 02 22:59:28 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: rollback is tricky
Feb 02 22:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> help trap
Feb 02 23:00:18 <Estel_> generally true, yet this script is relatively short and not complicated, so I though it's worth it
Feb 02 23:01:01 <Estel_> best idea would be to check in advance if swap exist on /dev/foo, and if /dev/bar is swap type partition, yet inactive
Feb 02 23:01:19 <Estel_> and execute only if initial requiments are met (one if)
Feb 02 23:01:26 <Estel_> meet*
Feb 02 23:01:39 <DocScrutinizer> man bash|less "+2/^ *trap"
Feb 02 23:02:03 <Estel_> must be busybox compatible :P
Feb 02 23:02:10 <Estel_> thanks anyway, will look into it
Feb 02 23:02:11 <DocScrutinizer> no
Feb 02 23:02:26 <Estel_> hm?
Feb 02 23:03:02 <DocScrutinizer> trap IS busybox compatible. the above man invokation to learn about trap cmd isn't
Feb 02 23:03:36 <Estel_> I see.
Feb 02 23:03:47 <Estel_> thanks, looks appealing anyway
Feb 02 23:03:59 <Estel_> I think I presume what does it mean for script ;)
Feb 02 23:06:05 <Estel_> noob dilema continued - is this:
Feb 02 23:06:15 <DocScrutinizer> >> If a sigspec is ERR, the command arg is executed whenever  a  simple  command  has  a  non-zero  exit status
Feb 02 23:06:23 <Estel_> if ! false; then echo "been ok"; exit 0; fi
Feb 02 23:06:26 <Estel_> is same as
Feb 02 23:06:37 <Estel_> if ! false; then echo "been ok"; ELSE exit 0; fi
Feb 02 23:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> no, definitely and obviously different
Feb 02 23:08:24 <Estel_> ok, I get how trap works now, thanks a lot!
Feb 02 23:08:36 <Estel_> (topic-jumper)
Feb 02 23:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> if ! false; then echo "been ok"; else echo "exit 0"; fi; echo "never been here after >exit 0<"
Feb 02 23:12:11 <Estel_> ok, so I correctly thing that (or I am wrong again):
Feb 02 23:13:07 <Estel_> if ! true; then echo "went bad"; else continue  fi;
Feb 02 23:13:25 <Estel_> think/ not thing
Feb 02 23:17:32 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Feb 02 23:19:29 <DocScrutinizer> trap is a bit tricky, but extramely useful
Feb 02 23:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> trap "echo byebye; exit 0" EXIT
Feb 02 23:21:13 <DocScrutinizer> is a bad idea
Feb 02 23:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> usually you have a >> cleanup () { trap "" EXIT; echo byebye; exit 0; } << and then a >> trap cleanup EXIT << at some early point in your script 
Feb 02 23:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> and you probably got some more nifty code for >>errorhandler () { whatever }<< and then >>trap errorhandler ERR
Feb 02 23:27:15 <DocScrutinizer> and you either change the way errorhandler() works, by defining some env like tmpfileopened=true
Feb 02 23:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> or
Feb 02 23:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> you got errorhandlerA () { rm tmpfileA ; return};    errorhandlerB() { rm fileB; errorhandlerA; return}; errorhandlerC () { errohandlerB; echo "" >someotherfile; echo "duck and cover!"; return}
Feb 02 23:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> and then of course:
Feb 02 23:32:25 <DocScrutinizer> trap errorhandlerA ERR
Feb 02 23:32:56 <DocScrutinizer> echo "" >tmpfileA
Feb 02 23:33:11 <DocScrutinizer> trap errorhandlerB ERR
Feb 02 23:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> cp foobar fileB
Feb 02 23:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> you (tnaks to not so strict syntax for shellscripts) can interleave the traps AND the function defs for errohandlerB etc
Feb 02 23:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> s/tnaks/thanks/
Feb 02 23:34:57 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: you (thanks to not so strict syntax for shellscripts) can interleave the traps AND the function defs for errohandlerB etc
Feb 02 23:35:05 <rm_work> rm!
Feb 02 23:35:09 * rm_work waves and disappears again
Feb 02 23:36:15 <DocScrutinizer> does your highlight also trigger on warm warmaker carmanufacturer etc rm ?
Feb 02 23:36:45 * DocScrutinizer waves
Feb 02 23:37:27 <rm_work> dunno
Feb 02 23:37:35 <rm_work> you included just "rm" so it highlighted on that :P
Feb 02 23:37:48 <DocScrutinizer> arms are bad
Feb 02 23:37:51 <rm_work> nope :)
Feb 02 23:37:59 <rm_work> \wrm\w
Feb 02 23:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Feb 02 23:38:26 <rm_work> in linux related channels it becomes a problem though <_<
Feb 02 23:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> the default workinf hours at my employer's office tend to becomme a problem
Feb 02 23:39:21 <DocScrutinizer> anyway
Feb 02 23:39:30 * DocScrutinizer waves and says "N8"
Feb 02 23:41:53 <DocScrutinizer> thus:
Feb 02 23:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> errorhandlerA () { rm tmpfileA ; return};
Feb 02 23:42:26 <DocScrutinizer> trap errorhandlerA ERR
Feb 02 23:42:41 <DocScrutinizer>  echo "" >tmpfileA
Feb 02 23:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> errorhandlerB() { rm fileB; errorhandlerA; return};
Feb 02 23:43:05 <DocScrutinizer> trap errorhandlerB ERR
Feb 02 23:43:14 <DocScrutinizer> cp foobar fileB
Feb 02 23:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> etc pp
Feb 02 23:58:55 <Estel_> Thanks DocScrutinizer, it's definitely worth reading material
Feb 02 23:59:23 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Feb 02 23:59:25 * Estel_ saved this whole conversation for further referrence, and also waves goodnight
Feb 03 02:01:39 <lasher> i didnt know thre was a maemo irc
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