**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 15 02:59:57 2012
Feb 15 07:31:04 * RST38h moos
Feb 15 10:02:57 <xmlich02> DocScrutinizer51, thanks, i will try meamo-ssu
Feb 15 11:25:28 <vi_> hello
Feb 15 11:25:36 <pepper> hello
Feb 15 11:26:27 <vi_> I AM NEW HOW TO PLAY CHANFIRE3D ON N N950?
Feb 15 11:26:47 <User__> hi
Feb 15 11:26:51 <pepper> No idea to be honest.
Feb 15 11:27:05 <Gear_> I was hoping someone here used emulators
Feb 15 11:27:18 <Gear_> playstation and the like
Feb 15 13:19:58 <ruskie> http://blog.ngas.ch/archives/2011/12/13/the_destructive_desktop__mdash_linux_in_trouble/index.html
Feb 15 13:20:25 <pepper> hmm
Feb 15 13:20:50 <pepper> well, to be honest windows 8 desktop(metro) also appears to be on a mission to destroy/annoy its userbase.
Feb 15 13:21:14 <pepper> UI designer appear to have forgotten that user part of their job.
Feb 15 13:21:26 <merlin1991> see gnome 3 
Feb 15 13:21:28 <merlin1991> or unity .D
Feb 15 13:21:32 <merlin1991> and now win8
Feb 15 13:21:52 <pepper> spot on.
Feb 15 13:22:14 <pepper> and the thing is, windows 7, gnome 2 etc are all working just fine.
Feb 15 13:29:27 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Feb 15 13:29:37 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Feb 15 13:29:44 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1d 4h 40m 31s, last said: '*go there'.
Feb 15 13:38:12 <Macer> sherlock is pretty good
Feb 15 13:38:23 <Macer> and i'm not too big of a fan of british programming 
Feb 15 14:32:00 <Macer> has anybody tried one of those sandisk 64GB sdxc cards in their n900?
Feb 15 17:43:22 <kerio> what do you guys think of the galaxy note?
Feb 15 17:48:00 <Primes> hi i would like to install git on my n900 can anyone help?
Feb 15 17:48:01 <pepper> no idea, havent had it in my hands.
Feb 15 17:48:12 <pepper> git, as in github?
Feb 15 17:48:24 <kerio> pepper: git as in git, probably
Feb 15 17:48:26 <kerio> you know
Feb 15 17:48:27 <kerio> git
Feb 15 17:48:29 <Primes> yes the versions
Feb 15 17:48:39 <x29a> Nokia-N900:~# which git
Feb 15 17:48:39 <x29a> /usr/bin/git
Feb 15 17:48:44 <x29a> Primes: go for it
Feb 15 17:48:51 <Primes> ok
Feb 15 17:49:07 <kerio> it should be in the extras or extras-devel repos
Feb 15 17:49:09 <x29a> http://maemo.org/packages/view/git-core/
Feb 15 17:49:45 <kerio> pepper: i was actually considering buying one
Feb 15 17:49:58 <kerio> pepper: i mean, i never talk on the phone anyway, and when i do i mostly use a bluetooth headset, so it's still not a problem
Feb 15 17:50:17 <kerio> so having a "small tablet" is actually kinda beneficial
Feb 15 17:50:25 <pepper> aah yep indeed.
Feb 15 17:51:00 <pepper> So, you find the n900 to be insufficient as a tablet?
Feb 15 17:51:32 <kerio> no, if anything it's more than the galaxy note can ever hope to be
Feb 15 17:51:41 <kerio> but the specs are quite low, and my n900 in particular is kinda dying
Feb 15 17:51:52 <Primes> yes git git core etc. i have root prompt how to install the git. aptget doesnt
Feb 15 17:52:03 <pepper> aaah I see. well I cant really help you with that.
Feb 15 17:52:03 <kerio> no usb port since quite a while, the vibro motor keeps going dead and coming back seemingly at random
Feb 15 17:52:21 <kerio> i suppose i'm just waiting for a new open smartphone with a physical keyboard
Feb 15 17:52:26 <kerio> but it's never going to come
Feb 15 17:52:36 <pepper> el reg hardware appears to like it: http://www.reghardware.com/2011/12/05/review_samsung_galaxy_note_android_tablet_and_phone/
Feb 15 17:52:52 <Primes> kerio sound like u need n950
Feb 15 17:52:54 <pepper> hear hear kerio, thats why I got a N900 last week. I dont fancy touchscreen too much.
Feb 15 17:53:10 <kerio> Primes: except that they don't sell those
Feb 15 17:53:18 <kerio> and harmattan is kinda icky
Feb 15 17:53:20 <pepper> 2nd hand maybe?
Feb 15 17:53:23 <Primes> yes dev only
Feb 15 17:53:23 <NIN102> ~aegis
Feb 15 17:53:24 <infobot> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or  http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif
Feb 15 17:53:31 <kerio> also aegis
Feb 15 17:53:43 <Primes> until they fire elop
Feb 15 17:53:43 <kerio> pepper: nobody would sell it anyway
Feb 15 17:53:45 <kerio> it's fairly unique
Feb 15 17:53:51 <kerio> Primes: nokia is just dead
Feb 15 17:54:14 <Primes> want n950 except  for no nfc
Feb 15 17:54:50 <Primes> devs wont write many nfc apps without it on their phone
Feb 15 17:57:16 <Tofe> Hello !
Feb 15 17:57:24 <pepper> I suppose the note looks quite nice. Maybe you can get a chance to try it ou in a store first?
Feb 15 17:57:26 <pepper> hello
Feb 15 17:58:35 <Tofe> I may be in the wrong place, but still, I wonder if someone here has used QtCreator to package a qml software for the n900 (I'm using Archlinux right now)
Feb 15 17:59:04 <pepper> I think the right channel would be maemo-devel, but this one has more people.
Feb 15 17:59:21 <pepper> and no, I cannot help you with that, im still fiddling with getting the sdk running.
Feb 15 17:59:30 <Tofe> :)
Feb 15 18:00:33 <Tofe> Well so far I've got the simulator running, so it's not so bad, and packaging for N900 for C++ Qt projects is proposed, so I'm not far from being all ok
Feb 15 18:00:44 <pepper> maybe you know, in scratchbox in my sources.list I added the token given from nokia, but it appears to fail even though I checked it multiple times.
Feb 15 18:01:06 <pepper> aah nice
Feb 15 18:01:11 <pepper> so, what are you building/creating?
Feb 15 18:01:54 <Tofe> For a start, I'm just willing to adapt the "Le Monde.fr" application that exists for Symbian
Feb 15 18:02:16 <Tofe> (I'm a QML beginner, so let's start with something classic)
Feb 15 18:03:01 <pepper> ooh nice project. not that I read france, but im sure many find it usefull.
Feb 15 18:03:32 <Tofe> Well, it could be adapted very easily, it's just a category/news/comments reader, actually
Feb 15 18:04:02 <pepper> aah, a fance news aggregrator/rss reader then.
Feb 15 18:04:30 <Tofe> yes, quite
Feb 15 18:05:02 <Tofe> I think it's a fair point to begin
Feb 15 18:05:32 <Tofe> not so useful, but still I'll learn some things and some people will be happy, so why not
Feb 15 18:05:50 <pepper> indeed
Feb 15 18:06:11 <pepper> so, how do you develop, do you use the vm under windows or a linux distro with the tools?
Feb 15 18:06:57 <Tofe> Well, I'm still putting it in place, but there's one big point I think I've missed with the sdk: I don't have any scratchbox, because I'm not sure what it is -- I'm 100% Archlinux right now.
Feb 15 18:07:22 <pepper> aah
Feb 15 18:07:41 <Tofe> it is a set of cross-compiled tools ?
Feb 15 18:07:54 <pepper> I think its some sort of a VM in which you can run multiple interface libraries(qt, gtk etc).
Feb 15 18:08:16 <pepper> with a file system setup seperate from your own, so that anything you do in their does not damage your own installation.
Feb 15 18:08:30 <Tofe> :) looks like a good idea
Feb 15 18:08:32 <pepper> i've been trying to install the nokia binaries in their, but the repo link I have is wrong.
Feb 15 18:08:50 <Tofe> do you use linux ? windows ?
Feb 15 18:09:00 <pepper> its quite nice from what I saw yesterday under a windows vm, but the tools under windows would not compile my code with the gtk stuff.
Feb 15 18:09:21 <pepper> both, windows on my main rig with a vm, and just did a fresh ubuntu 10.10 install on my latop to set it up and see if my results differ.
Feb 15 18:09:41 <pepper> alas, im now stuck in the installation, also the wiki isnt quite accurate so I had to go along and fix some stuff on the way.
Feb 15 18:10:03 <Tofe> 10.10 ? why so old ?
Feb 15 18:10:26 <pepper> its a year and a couple of months old. not 'old'.
Feb 15 18:10:42 <pepper> well, it got referenced a couple of times in the wiki, and the vm image for windows has that version.
Feb 15 18:10:53 <Tofe> well, you're right :) it must be a deformation of the use of archlinux
Feb 15 18:11:01 <pepper> so I figured all the tools should work with it. maybe update some gtk/qt libs etc but other then that I figured it should be a easy ride.
Feb 15 18:11:09 <pepper> haha
Feb 15 18:11:23 <pepper> how is archlinux, havent tried it yet.
Feb 15 18:12:45 <Tofe> quite nice, it interesting to try the new stuffs, but sometimes, here and there, a little thing breaks because of an update. Nothing really bad happens lately (I mean since 3 years I've installed it), but you have to accept it.
Feb 15 18:13:45 <pepper> aah fair enough
Feb 15 18:14:08 <pepper> ubuntu brakes too, make no illusions, I was on a upgrade path from 9.04, and 11.04 broke my whole rig.
Feb 15 18:14:25 <pepper> hence the fresh install, I already had it semi working again, but I figured I should take no risk.
Feb 15 18:15:14 <Tofe> :)
Feb 15 18:15:55 <Tofe> for your sources.list, what fails ? I've actually used Ubuntu & Debian for some time too
Feb 15 18:16:43 <pepper> all, well it says my line 5 is corrept, let me copy it.
Feb 15 18:17:30 <pepper> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries
Feb 15 18:18:03 <pepper> and this in scratchbox, that vm. this is used to install the nokia binaries for the vm from what I understand.
Feb 15 18:18:31 <pepper> somewhere else I read that the first few chars of the key is supposed to be different but I get this from the nokia page.
Feb 15 18:18:41 <Primes> i have extrasdevel but cant see gitcore in fapman
Feb 15 18:19:42 <pepper> primes is correct, I also have extras-devel and testing installed but the application manager doesnt see anything involving git.
Feb 15 18:20:47 <pepper> the package list also throws a error when trying to open git-core
Feb 15 18:20:54 <pepper> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/git-core/
Feb 15 18:22:28 <Tofe> mmmh your line seems correct...
Feb 15 18:23:05 <pepper> yes, yet the error that gets throw indicates its corrupt.
Feb 15 18:24:18 <pepper> malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
Feb 15 18:24:35 <Tofe> did you try without the nokia token, actually ( deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle nokia-binaries ) because I can see that : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/
Feb 15 18:25:29 <pepper> il have to check that one
Feb 15 18:28:06 <pepper> hmm, it tries to acces the nokia-binaries but throws a 404
Feb 15 18:28:26 <Tofe> okay, well, worth a try
Feb 15 18:34:35 <pepper> Also, the code I have is the same as in this doc at page 11: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee282/10_handouts/lect.08.n900programming.pdf
Feb 15 18:34:45 <pepper> yet it comes from the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php page
Feb 15 18:34:51 <Tofe> (I'm installing scratchbox for maemo)
Feb 15 18:35:31 <Tofe> (wow, it's big)
Feb 15 18:35:48 <pepper> it is
Feb 15 18:36:31 <Tofe> for information, I'm using this guide: http://bashlnx.blogspot.com/2010/12/installing-maemo-5-sdk-on-arch-linux.html , where the sources.list edition is evoked; but it's exactly what you did
Feb 15 18:36:53 <pepper> hmm
Feb 15 18:37:00 <pepper> might as well read it and see what I can figure out from it
Feb 15 18:37:09 <pepper> im using that one: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
Feb 15 18:37:15 <pepper> and then installing through the terminal.
Feb 15 18:37:21 <pepper> debian based system offcourse.
Feb 15 18:37:36 <Tofe> yep, should be easier. should. :)
Feb 15 18:40:34 <pepper> could the token page be broken?\
Feb 15 18:40:43 <pepper> from the arch linux installation page: Go to tablets-dev.nokia.com and get your personal token, then run the maemo script and add the repository to sources.list into your scratchbox:
Feb 15 18:49:29 <pepper> grabbing arch-linux right now, lets see if I can get it to work on that.
Feb 15 18:53:36 <Tofe> until now, it's fine; I'm installing the "rootstrap"
Feb 15 18:53:46 <Tofe> (sdk-install)
Feb 15 18:55:07 <Tofe> be aware that installing archlinux isn't as straightforward as for ubuntu or debian...
Feb 15 19:01:54 <freemangordon> Pali, ping
Feb 15 19:02:04 <Pali> freemangordon, pong
Feb 15 19:03:24 <freemangordon> Hi, did you build pre50 with all the latest enabled/disabled patches, esp wlan mesh, the user here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1165498&postcount=2802 could be used to test if disabling wlan mesh really fixes the issue?
Feb 15 19:04:20 <freemangordon> Pali, ^^^
Feb 15 19:04:39 <Pali> I did not rebuilded packages yet
Feb 15 19:04:39 <Pali> Now I'm going to compile...
Feb 15 19:04:49 <freemangordon> great
Feb 15 19:04:54 <Pali> I read that TMO post
Feb 15 19:05:11 <freemangordon> I will answer him
Feb 15 19:20:36 <Tofe> pepper: the apt-get update did work for me...
Feb 15 19:20:53 <Tofe> I copy/pasted your line in my sources.list !
Feb 15 19:27:24 <pepperN900> how very odd...
Feb 15 19:34:16 <pepper> well, bugger me drunken. No idea why its borked.
Feb 15 19:34:56 <Tofe> My scratchbox works, this guide is very good
Feb 15 19:35:40 <pepper> thats nice
Feb 15 19:35:43 <Tofe> now I'll have to install Qt, I hope I don't need to install CSSU to do that :)
Feb 15 20:06:44 <zanberdo> Looking for a link to information on how to utilize additional storage for MyDocs
Feb 15 20:07:39 <mase76> can anybody tell me, why usb tethering does not work anymore? i am using debian sid. the connection appears in nm, but is greyed out.
Feb 15 20:08:53 <pepper> did you install any new packages?
Feb 15 20:09:08 <mase76> only cssu and kp.
Feb 15 20:09:38 <pepper> have you tried removing them and see if that fixes the problem, goes for both the system and the N900.
Feb 15 20:10:33 <mase76> no did not. i worked some time before. i think, it it modemmanager related.
Feb 15 20:10:43 <Sicelo> mase76: dmesg on pc is your friend
Feb 15 20:11:11 <Sicelo> hmm, u say appears in nm.. try wvdial
Feb 15 20:11:34 <Sicelo> if that's successful, delete the connection from NM and start afresh
Feb 15 20:11:48 * Sicelo removed nm on his system because of such things
Feb 15 20:13:22 <mase76> cannot see anything in dmesg. i did not setup any broadband connection in nm. if i activate broadband, the connection appears automatically. but also setting up the connection manually, it does not connect.
Feb 15 20:16:20 <mase76> syslog: <info> (ttyACM0): deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2]
Feb 15 20:16:37 <mase76> <info> (ttyACM0): device state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'none') [20 30 0]
Feb 15 20:26:32 <mgedmin> mase76, pastebin the entire thing, starting from when you plug in the usb cable?
Feb 15 20:26:32 <mase76> using cutecom i saw, that the n900 eats the first character. but modemmanager contains a fix to send the initstring twice.
Feb 15 20:27:34 * mgedmin searches his identi.ca/twitter stream
Feb 15 20:27:45 <mgedmin> oh, hey, http://pad.lv/765516
Feb 15 20:27:56 <zanberdo> where can I find a list of available repos for the n900? I want to be sure I have current repos for my device
Feb 15 20:29:19 <mgedmin> zanberdo, my policy was always to use as few repos as possible
Feb 15 20:29:35 <mgedmin> so I'd add extras, maybe extras-testing and extras-devel, because bleeding edge is *fun*
Feb 15 20:29:44 <mase76> http://paste.debian.net/156389/
Feb 15 20:30:37 <mgedmin> mase76, yeah, not as illuminating as I'd hoped...
Feb 15 20:31:01 <merlin1991> I don't understand why people add extras + testing + devel
Feb 15 20:31:06 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, I hope you're not going to make HAM process all those 10 odd extra random repositories you are planning to add
Feb 15 20:31:15 <mgedmin> there's a way to have ModemManager log all the AT commands, IIRC, but I don't remember anything...
Feb 15 20:31:26 <mgedmin> I can give it a try on ubuntu oneiric, if you want
Feb 15 20:31:28 <psycho_oreos> some packages appear only in testing I suppose
Feb 15 20:31:32 <merlin1991> testing is a superset of extras and devel is a superset of testing, so if you're going to enable devel anyway you need ONLY devel
Feb 15 20:31:49 <zanberdo> mgedmin, ok, fair play. I may have too many as it is. My current list is as follows: http://paste.debian.net/156390/
Feb 15 20:31:50 <mgedmin> merlin1991, I hadn't realized that
Feb 15 20:32:00 <mgedmin> I thought packages were removed from devel when they migrated to testing
Feb 15 20:32:04 <merlin1991> nope
Feb 15 20:32:14 <merlin1991> they stay :D
Feb 15 20:32:24 <mgedmin> zanberdo, yeah, I didn't mention the stock nokia ones
Feb 15 20:32:48 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, in fact, I was hoping to clean things up, so as it is I'll take any suggestions you care to make.  I've had the phone for a bit, and I'm just not getting back into looking into how I can make it streamlined/better
Feb 15 20:33:41 <mgedmin> buy a n9 ;)
Feb 15 20:34:00 * mgedmin will be chased out of this channel with pitchforks and torches one day for comments like that
Feb 15 20:34:04 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, I haven't been messing with my N900 to be honest :/ I recall recently reading up an old old email that was sent to me in response to a bug which was related to HAM that I filed at least 4 months ago
Feb 15 20:34:07 <mgedmin> the n900 really really needs more RAM than it has
Feb 15 20:34:21 <psycho_oreos> n9 is rubbish at times honestly
Feb 15 20:34:40 <zanberdo> I wasn't even aware of the N9
Feb 15 20:35:01 <psycho_oreos> the keyboard-less maemo device
Feb 15 20:35:52 <psycho_oreos> if you also heard about the N950, I bet you'd be wanting N950 more than the rubbish n9
Feb 15 20:35:55 <xmlich02> i am trying to port my qt application to maemo from harmattan. What is suggested approach? Should i use qt-components or qt-components-10 package? I found one single case, where the "import com.nokia.meego 1.0" was working.
Feb 15 20:36:38 <mgedmin> some people value beauty too
Feb 15 20:36:44 <mgedmin> and the n9 is more beautiful than the n950
Feb 15 20:36:57 <psycho_oreos> oh yeah.. the beauty like that its similar to iphone when it isn't an iphone
Feb 15 20:37:03 <psycho_oreos> makes one look more like a wannabe lol
Feb 15 20:37:55 <zanberdo> so here is the deal: I use my phone largely for making calls (duh), text (more than I care to, but it is what it is), and listening to either music or more often podcasts.  I use gpodder as my podcast aggregator, but I recently ran out of space. I discovered, much to my surprise, the my podcasts are being stored on the local storage which does not apparently include the additional 16GB available on the addon card. I plan to refo
Feb 15 20:37:55 <zanberdo> rmat the card using ext3, and doing a few other things, but before I start spending a lot of time on that, I'd like to just optimize things. 
Feb 15 20:38:11 <psycho_oreos> the UI is dressed up to follow suit with either android or iOS.. otherwise the base remains to be an extended idea of swiping things around
Feb 15 20:38:53 <mase76> the log says, that the port is opened, closes and then opened again. simulated that with cutecom. after opening, the first character was eaten. after that, all characters are sent. closing and opening again eats the first again.
Feb 15 20:39:11 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, local storage as in the rootfs area? aka the puny 256MB or so space?
Feb 15 20:39:28 * zanberdo is looking at the n950 - I think I like that kb better than the 900
Feb 15 20:40:14 <psycho_oreos> too bad N950 is not for the general public despite its unique-ness
Feb 15 20:40:15 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, probably using the wrong terminology when I say local storage, I mean MyDocs which is not taking advantage of the additional 16GB available.
Feb 15 20:40:56 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, sounds almost like as if you want to span those two storage areas as one
Feb 15 20:40:56 <mgedmin> zanberdo, yep, the sd card is mounted elsewhere
Feb 15 20:41:10 <mgedmin> you could use bind mounts, I suppose, since you can't have symlinks on VFAT...
Feb 15 20:41:17 <psycho_oreos>  /media/mmc1 iinm
Feb 15 20:41:39 <mgedmin> or can gPodder be configured to use a different directory for its podcasts?
Feb 15 20:41:42 <psycho_oreos> or you could format your mydocs to ext3 (risky)
Feb 15 20:42:24 <zanberdo> that's the issues I've been running into: the fact that /dev/mmcblk0p1 is formatted vfat. I'm planning to repartition with ext3 as the fs for /dev/mmcblk0p1 so I can simply symlink
Feb 15 20:43:18 <zanberdo> I've looked through the gpodder interface to see if I can specify storage options. No go. Of course, now it's just occurred to me to check the non-gui config, so perhaps it can. let me see if I can just do that.
Feb 15 20:43:56 <psycho_oreos> there will be some minor complications for converting it to ext3, however if you can't stand vfat and you never let windows boxen touch N900 then I can't see why not convert it ;)
Feb 15 20:44:00 <zanberdo> but that still leaves me with some other questions, specifically regarding the repos I've got. You've bother suggested I reduce the repos to just what I need
Feb 15 20:44:53 <psycho_oreos> nah that issue with the amount of repos is an issue with HAM itself.. it crashes randomly.. though if you use FAM, such issues won't occur regardless of the amount of repositories you add
Feb 15 20:44:55 <zanberdo> I have no love for vfat nor windows and do not plan to use the device with a windows machine. that said, who knows?  I hadn't considered using a bind mount for the external sd card.
Feb 15 20:45:43 <zanberdo> FAM is Faster Application Manger then?
Feb 15 20:45:46 <psycho_oreos> one thing annoying about binding mounts is for a way to make it stick at subsequent reboots
Feb 15 20:45:47 <psycho_oreos> yes
Feb 15 20:46:25 <mgedmin> zanberdo, be aware that /etc/fstab is re-generated dynamically on every boot and hardcodes 'vfat' as the fs type for /home/user/MyDocs
Feb 15 20:46:29 <zanberdo> is there a link you can share re: using FAM?
Feb 15 20:46:53 <zanberdo> mgedmin, gah! really? hmmm... ok, perhaps I'll leave the fs alone then.
Feb 15 20:47:02 <mgedmin> zanberdo, iirc
Feb 15 20:47:14 <mgedmin> I haven't played with this; it's what I remember from lurking on this channel
Feb 15 20:47:25 <mgedmin> do a search to be sure, if you decide to go with your ext3 plan
Feb 15 20:47:31 <psycho_oreos> I don't understand hardcoding, there's a nice bit of howto which I followed and I never had issues with it saying its vfat
Feb 15 20:47:31 <zanberdo> which leaves me to use bind mounts to my sd (if I can't manage to config gpodder to use it by default)
Feb 15 20:47:36 <mgedmin> personally I was too afraid to brick my lovely n900 to attempt anything risky
Feb 15 20:49:06 <psycho_oreos> I've bricked my N900, but had it not been backupmenu by robbiethe1st, I would have been swearing and cursing for every reflash I had to do
Feb 15 20:49:20 <psycho_oreos> err should I add, bricked my N900 several times
Feb 15 20:50:43 <zanberdo> I've recently (as of a few minutes ago) run a backup and copies the resulting directory and files to my desktop. I guess the first thing I'd like to do is check out FAM.
Feb 15 20:50:45 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, I can't find a howto guide for FAM if that's what you wanted
Feb 15 20:51:25 <psycho_oreos> there's a huge difference between using osso-backup (or otherwise is simply known as Backup) and using backupmenu by robbiethe1st
Feb 15 20:51:46 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, no worries, I'm sure I can work it out. honestly, I'd rather just use what I'm comfortable with, which is apt-get or aptitude.
Feb 15 20:52:18 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, I use those too when dealing with multiple packages
Feb 15 20:52:19 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, thanks. I'll install backupmenu now.
Feb 15 20:52:44 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, take note of the warnings and what not but otherwise that tool imo is a godsend for tinkerers like myself
Feb 15 20:53:05 <zanberdo> I presume there is no issue with simply installing backupmenu via apt-get (your last statement makes me think perhaps just using apt to install/remove packages may not be the best route, but maybe I misread you)
Feb 15 20:53:38 <psycho_oreos> well no, but I think its a good idea to check out relevant forum threads
Feb 15 20:53:49 <zanberdo> fair play
Feb 15 20:54:13 <psycho_oreos> I think installing backupmenu through FAM or HAM it may display a warning because of i2c-tools package is to be installed
Feb 15 20:54:58 <zanberdo> hehe... apt-get warns as well: http://paste.debian.net/156398/
Feb 15 20:55:45 <psycho_oreos> ahh yeah that was the exact same message that I encountered, but it's been ages ago since I installed backupmenu lol
Feb 15 20:56:36 <zanberdo> I've not searched thoroughly, but since you appear to be a tinkerer, perhaps you can answer this one off the top of your head: can I replace busybox with bash?
Feb 15 20:57:02 <psycho_oreos> not completely (and ideally it would be best not to) but its doable to an extent
Feb 15 20:57:29 <zanberdo> ok
Feb 15 20:57:40 <mase76> if the init command fails, the n900 would not send the ap data, right?
Feb 15 20:57:55 <mase76> modemmanager sends the init command twice.
Feb 15 20:58:03 <psycho_oreos> I've made bash the initial shell but that's about it.. all the other scripts heavily depend on ash iinm.. Awhile ago I made a horrible mistake of symlinking /bin/ash to /bin/bash which forced bootloops
Feb 15 20:58:06 <zanberdo> seems apt-get hasn't returned since issuing the warning...
Feb 15 20:58:15 <NIN102> busybox isn't a shell, busybox is a colleciton of various utils in one binary. So if you want to replace ash with bash for XTerm in Maemo, it's possible, if you do something stupid like symlinking /bin/sh to /bin/bash, your system won't boot. 
Feb 15 20:58:33 <psycho_oreos> not sure but it might be expecting some sort of response
Feb 15 20:58:37 <zanberdo> NIN102, good advice.
Feb 15 20:58:54 <psycho_oreos> NIN102, though it does have ash in it :)
Feb 15 20:59:14 <psycho_oreos> and that stupid move was what I did almost two years ago lol
Feb 15 20:59:15 <Aloof_Jezzster> Hello I am look for a New HTML 5 browser for the N900
Feb 15 20:59:19 <NIN102> yes, ash is the shell of busybox, but busybox is not a shell.
Feb 15 20:59:28 <psycho_oreos> true
Feb 15 20:59:47 <Aloof_Jezzster> I Have Fennec and OPREA?
Feb 15 20:59:53 <Aloof_Jezzster> any good?
Feb 15 21:00:09 <psycho_oreos> fennec is slow, opera doesn't do flash nor does fennec
Feb 15 21:00:17 <Aloof_Jezzster> ok
Feb 15 21:00:25 <psycho_oreos> apart from that I really don't know about html 5 support
Feb 15 21:00:26 <Aloof_Jezzster> and Microb 
Feb 15 21:00:45 <Aloof_Jezzster> it scores 55
Feb 15 21:00:58 <Aloof_Jezzster> out of 160
Feb 15 21:01:13 <Aloof_Jezzster> but does flash
Feb 15 21:01:20 <psycho_oreos> the browser is probably 2-3 years old, what do you expect? :)
Feb 15 21:01:30 <Aloof_Jezzster> well
Feb 15 21:01:33 <psycho_oreos> yeah its all to do with licensing issue
Feb 15 21:01:47 <Aloof_Jezzster> i like my N900
Feb 15 21:01:49 <Aloof_Jezzster> alot
Feb 15 21:02:14 <Aloof_Jezzster> but where thinking of moving to N9
Feb 15 21:02:34 <psycho_oreos> unfortunately.. technology grows sporadically faster than materialised goods
Feb 15 21:03:04 <psycho_oreos> N900 was a beast back in its days.. compared to modern stuff, it may not do as well with the current players :þ
Feb 15 21:03:39 <Aloof_Jezzster> true
Feb 15 21:04:02 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, backuping up with backupmenu now. nice little util.
Feb 15 21:04:38 <Aloof_Jezzster> then N900 is the closest mobile device comparable to PC
Feb 15 21:04:45 <psycho_oreos> if you're into benchmarks and what not, maybe n9 would be suitable for you.. otherwise imo I'd avoid it. A keyboard-less device that tries hard to look like its an iphone when it isn't
Feb 15 21:05:26 <zanberdo> the two chief reasons I bought the n900 was the keyboard and that it runs a proper OS (imho)
Feb 15 21:05:48 <Aloof_Jezzster> true
Feb 15 21:05:55 <Aloof_Jezzster> well said
Feb 15 21:05:56 <psycho_oreos> and I'm saying this with experience.. both N900 and n9. There has been many times where I so wished I was playing with my N900
Feb 15 21:06:35 <Aloof_Jezzster> what do you have now?
Feb 15 21:06:38 <Aloof_Jezzster> may i ask?
Feb 15 21:06:51 <zanberdo> that said, I'm a bit miffed that the pipe and tilda aren't default keys
Feb 15 21:07:00 <psycho_oreos> I'm still using n9.. until I buy a SIM card adapter I'm virtually stuck with n9
Feb 15 21:07:23 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, for osso-xterm you can customise the layout
Feb 15 21:07:34 <Aloof_Jezzster> i have an N900 AND iP4
Feb 15 21:07:57 <Aloof_Jezzster> Though like the N900 more
Feb 15 21:08:31 <psycho_oreos> err well both hardware keyboard and the vkb can be reconfigured as well.. but otherwise I think its a little easier to mess with osso-xterm as its vkb keybindings lies within gconf
Feb 15 21:09:05 <zanberdo> I'd read that I could so something to make those keys readily available. I'd forgotten the name of the 'osso-xterm'
Feb 15 21:10:26 <zanberdo> I presume you are referring to the 'soft-keys' available in xterm, eh psycho_oreos ?
Feb 15 21:10:31 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_personalize_your_N900#Extra_Symbols_in_X_Terminal_.28osso-xterm.29 <--- that?
Feb 15 21:11:01 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, I believe that is the one. thanks
Feb 15 21:11:13 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, soft-keys could also mean vkb that can be initiated through FN/Sym + blue arrow :)
Feb 15 21:12:00 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, thanks for the clarification. correct terminology in our industry is critical.
Feb 15 21:12:41 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, its the ambiguity that annoys one as well :)
Feb 15 21:13:40 <psycho_oreos> the ideology behind iphone is nice, but not really my cup of tea as yet
Feb 15 21:14:34 <psycho_oreos> my next device would most likely be android powered if nokia doesn't come up with putting linux on a phone or maybe puts linux on a feeblishly spec-ed phone
Feb 15 21:14:46 <zanberdo> now if I could just get colorization when I ssh to my n900
Feb 15 21:15:08 <psycho_oreos> dircolors + eval? ;)
Feb 15 21:15:38 <zanberdo> bad news there I would assume, as Nokia just laid off 4000 employees world wide and as I'm sure you know have embraced microsoft as at least one os alternative.
Feb 15 21:15:59 <zanberdo> tried that. throws errors with dircolors
Feb 15 21:16:49 <psycho_oreos> there's rumours of maltemi being the linux powered device but they could produce but to be placed on lower specs phones.. probably a way to get rid of symbian
Feb 15 21:16:52 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Feb 15 21:17:03 <zanberdo> perhaps I'm doing it wrong. My instinct was to mod .bashrc. I see there are a few lines that can be uncommented, specifically an export for LS_OPTIONS and an eval "`dircolors'" which is the line that throws the error
Feb 15 21:17:12 <psycho_oreos> s/device but/device that/
Feb 15 21:17:35 <zanberdo> and yes, what I read, symbian is going by the wayside.
Feb 15 21:18:31 <psycho_oreos> hmm I don't recall doing anything special to get colours appearing through ssh.. but its been a long while since I really touched my N900 :|
Feb 15 21:18:50 <zanberdo> it's dircolors that appears to be the issue
Feb 15 21:18:52 * psycho_oreos gives up on the itch and decides to dig his N900 out
Feb 15 21:20:25 <zanberdo> eval "`dircolors`" throws "-sh: dircolors: not found. apt-cache search dircolors returns coreutils-gnu and tree. I've already installed coreutils-gnu. still no love.
Feb 15 21:22:07 <zanberdo> actually one of the reasons I popped on here was that I was looking for locate (or mlocate or slocate) which are suggested when I installed find, but evidently they are not available in my repos. hence my original question about my repos.
Feb 15 21:23:13 <psycho_oreos> I hardly ever used locate myself.. ever since I found locate creates this massive ascii file and needs to be updated I loathe the idea of that and preferred find
Feb 15 21:23:40 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, yeah, but old habits die hard. and the find that is installed lacks for options :(
Feb 15 21:24:28 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, true, somehow I grew accustomed to find.. gotta love -exec, -type, etc
Feb 15 21:25:06 <Aloof_Jezzster> does the Nokia N9 have a file manager?
Feb 15 21:25:25 <psycho_oreos> not by default but you can install one
Feb 15 21:25:29 <zanberdo> aye. however, when I tried a simply 'find -type d -iname [Bb]ackup' find threw an error complaining it didn't support my options. go figure.
Feb 15 21:26:08 <zanberdo> what the? Call me stupid, but are there really two cameras on the N900?
Feb 15 21:26:12 <psycho_oreos> *shrugs* I would do something like find -type d -name "Backup" for instance
Feb 15 21:26:15 <psycho_oreos> yes
Feb 15 21:26:22 <psycho_oreos> one front one rear
Feb 15 21:27:09 <zanberdo> bah... had this bloody thing for nearly a year and didn't realize there were two cameras. I mean, sure I noticed what I thought might be a camera, but I thought perhaps that was some sort of proximity sensor used to screw up my gui when I put the phone to my face.
Feb 15 21:27:19 * zanberdo stupid...stupid...stupid
Feb 15 21:27:32 <Aloof_Jezzster> lol
Feb 15 21:27:42 <Aloof_Jezzster> mad one
Feb 15 21:27:44 <Aloof_Jezzster> cams
Feb 15 21:27:53 <psycho_oreos> there was once a wise saying, ask and be stupid for one day.. never ask and be stupid for eternity
Feb 15 21:31:50 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, re: that dircolors issue.. the exact line from mine is this: eval "`/usr/bin/gnu/dircolors`"
Feb 15 21:31:58 <psycho_oreos> note how there's actually two backticks
Feb 15 21:32:04 <psycho_oreos> or tilde
Feb 15 21:49:49 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, thanks. I'll give that a whirl
Feb 15 21:58:07 <Aloof_Jezzster> dig about abot the N9 seem the N900 is a better device for geek in genral and for tweaking
Feb 15 21:59:08 <Aloof_Jezzster> the N9 seems washed
Feb 15 22:00:14 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, yup, dircolors is definitely located there. I've updated .bashrc accordingly unfortunately the console is still black and white and ls rejects the --color=auto directive. I'm still missing something here. I know it's in color in osso-xterm though
Feb 15 22:17:49 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, could it be because your terminal isn't xterm?
Feb 15 22:24:59 <zanberdo> erm... that could very well be it. one moment
Feb 15 22:26:30 <zanberdo> psycho_oreos, doesn't seem to make a difference. I've opened up xterm on my desktop, ssh'd to my N900, and still all is black and white. ls of course does not recognize the --color=auto directive (issue with ls) but everything is still b&w. guess it's not that important, just annoying
Feb 15 22:46:43 <psycho_oreos> zanberdo, hmm I though $TERM variable being defined as xterm might have helped
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