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Feb 16 06:37:04 <Macer> hm
Feb 16 06:37:16 <Macer> is the n900 simply incapable of doing wpa for a wifi hotspot?
Feb 16 07:12:46 <psycho_oreos> I don't think its a hardware issue, its a bit like a driver related issue to be precise
Feb 16 07:18:28 <jacekowski> hardware is the new software
Feb 16 08:10:16 * RST38h moos at ab
Feb 16 08:11:21 <ab> meh RST38h 
Feb 16 09:35:39 <mihu> Hi. Can anybody tell me what kind of sensor the "cam_shutter" sensor in the N900 is, ie. the sensor that's responsible for recognizing the lens cover?
Feb 16 09:42:09 <Phlogistique> Hi there
Feb 16 09:55:24 <Sicelo> mihu: i can't swear to it, but i think it's magnetic
Feb 16 09:57:44 <Sicelo> lol, looks like a light sensor actually - even the cover has a patch of black, and a patch of white that's over th sensor when lens cover open
Feb 16 09:59:00 <mihu> Sicelo: Ah, true. I thought it's magnetic as well, just like the mmc card detection. But now I put some black paper on it and it's closed. 
Feb 16 10:07:02 <massoud> Phlogistique: hi there
Feb 16 10:10:32 <massoud> do you guys do you know what is the simplest way to crosscompile some C sources for the n900 / gnurarm binaries ?
Feb 16 10:14:45 <Sicelo> kewl mihu :P
Feb 16 10:16:02 <Sicelo> massoud: scratchbox, i believe
Feb 16 11:37:38 <mihu> massoud: Still there?
Feb 16 12:27:54 <massoud> mihu: yes
Feb 16 12:29:37 <mihu> massoud: You asked about how to cross-compile some code. I recently used the "madde" environment for that purpose. You can then prefix whatever you want to compile with "mad", ie. "mad gcc foo.c -o foo" on your host PC and it will do the right thing. I then used ssh/scp to transfer the code to my N900 and it just worked.
Feb 16 12:32:08 <massoud> mihu: thanks a lot, madde is packaged for debian ?
Feb 16 12:34:43 <mihu> massoud: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE I used version 1.0.2 from here: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html It's a ~600MB stand-alone executable that has everything in it and is self-contained.
Feb 16 12:36:41 <mihu> massoud: Just run it and it will ask you for an installation directory. If you put it to /opt/, the executable will be in /opt/madde/0.7.48/bin/mad IIRC.
Feb 16 12:40:28 <massoud> mihu: excellent, will try it now on my debian lenny
Feb 16 12:40:48 <massoud> mihu : have you imported whole projects/sources and built it for n900 ?
Feb 16 12:45:53 <pepper> guys, my apt-get update fails to find the hathor sources, and thus cant install the sdk properly. any idea where to get those? I cannot find them at the scratchbox website. 
Feb 16 12:46:22 <pepper> I need the debian sources and it fails at deb-src http://scratchbox.org/debian hathor main
Feb 16 12:48:33 <pepper> nevermind, I removed them from the sources.list and now it happily gets the packages...
Feb 16 12:48:47 <pepper> bugger me with a fishfork.
Feb 16 12:49:53 <mihu> massoud: Yes and no. I had some C sources and had to built a Qt N900 application around it. I used the QtCreator that comes with the SDK to do that. You can choose "Maemo" application as a project. I just added the C sources to the project, added some C/C++ glue code.
Feb 16 12:50:39 <mihu> massoud: So I used the bare sources, but not the build environment from the old project. I let QtCreator/qmake do the job.
Feb 16 15:11:34 <Gear_> hi
Feb 16 15:11:43 <pepper> hello
Feb 16 15:19:08 <Gear_> I'm streaming video through wireless to VLC on a netbook
Feb 16 15:20:13 <pronto> congrats?
Feb 16 15:20:16 <pepper> nice
Feb 16 15:20:47 <Gear_> I have a problem
Feb 16 15:21:23 <Gear_> I'm trying to find the damn script
Feb 16 15:21:50 <dole> which scipt?
Feb 16 15:22:17 <Gear_> I put the gstreamer commands into a script
Feb 16 15:22:41 <Gear_> I had to start learning linux like a few months ago when I got this phone
Feb 16 15:23:07 <Gear_> anyway I can only get it streaming at 320x240
Feb 16 15:24:43 <Gear_> it's like a stream that I open with vlc, is anyone really familiar with gstreamer?
Feb 16 15:25:06 <pepper> im afraid not. im only working with maemo for a week now.
Feb 16 15:25:28 <Gear_> gstreamer is linux
Feb 16 15:27:22 <Gear_> I'll just wait until someone says something like "yeah I'm all up in that gstreamer shit"
Feb 16 15:29:00 <pepper> that seems wise, its IRC afterall.
Feb 16 15:29:49 <Robot101> #gstreamer ?
Feb 16 15:30:17 <Gear_> what the!
Feb 16 15:30:32 <Gear_> thanks
Feb 16 15:31:19 <Gear_> a whole channel
Feb 16 15:33:40 <Phlogistique> Gear_: Gstreamer is not Linux, though
Feb 16 15:37:32 <Gear_> actually this is specfic to the n900 anyway
Feb 16 15:43:06 <DocScrutinizer> http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.unboxingGTA04 
Feb 16 16:18:15 <NsaneCoffe> My Ubuntu pc failed me ='(
Feb 16 16:18:15 <NsaneCoffe> Synaptic crashes every time i try to install packages and that means no libusb= no Maemo Flasher
Feb 16 16:18:25 <NsaneCoffe> How is the windows alternative?
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Feb 16 16:21:36 <mase_76> i still have problems with usb tethering. i also tried an older nm and modemmanager version shipped with debian squeeze. the AP appears in nm, but is greyed out.
Feb 16 16:22:37 <mase_76> i wanted to test with wvdial, but as i am using an arm netbook, there is a bug in wvstreams, that makes wvdial unusable on arm.
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Feb 16 17:44:31 <zanberdo> ok, so I'm hacking away on my n900 looking to resize the /home and MyDocs partitions. I've installed backupmenu and have mounted the eMMC to my lappy running linux. Running gparted I'm finding that gparted can't resize the MyDocs partition - some issue with the partition itself I presume. I've currently got it mounted under windows (duel-boot lappy) and am running a check disk. If this fails to correct my partition issue, what's
Feb 16 17:44:31 <zanberdo>  my next step? Anyone run into this?
Feb 16 17:45:18 <SpeedEvil> I cheated
Feb 16 17:45:38 <DocScrutinizer> lo SpeedEvil 
Feb 16 17:45:56 <SpeedEvil> tarred up mydocs into /home, umounted it, resized mydocs, and created another partition which I formatted ext2
Feb 16 17:45:59 <SpeedEvil> worked well
Feb 16 17:46:05 <SpeedEvil> with a seperate mount 
Feb 16 17:46:09 <SpeedEvil> Lo
Feb 16 17:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> zanberdo: 
Feb 16 17:46:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Feb 16 17:46:14 <infobot> from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Feb 16 17:46:25 <SpeedEvil> that too
Feb 16 17:46:53 <DocScrutinizer> the easiest way, but of course only applicable on a complete reflash
Feb 16 17:47:01 <zanberdo> ext2 eh? I've already formatted my SD card ext3. When I formatted it as ext2 I was unable to mount it (invalid options). Forced me to use ext3. And yes, I tried removing and adding the journaling a few times.
Feb 16 17:47:14 <zanberdo> thanks for the link!
Feb 16 17:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Feb 16 17:47:40 <SpeedEvil> err
Feb 16 17:47:43 <DocScrutinizer> tested up to 9.9GB iirc
Feb 16 17:47:44 <SpeedEvil> It may have been 3
Feb 16 17:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> for >=10GB I suggest using a proper editor instead, a hex editor
Feb 16 17:48:35 <zanberdo> been using bits and pieces from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 
Feb 16 17:49:20 <zanberdo> the mods to osso-mmc-mount and mmc-mount.sh work fine, save for the fact that it won't mount the SD card when formatted ext2.
Feb 16 17:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, the fixed mmc-mount.sh
Feb 16 17:49:51 <zanberdo> but that's a non-issue atm. resizing /home is critical as a) it's full, and b) I believe it's what is preventing me from saving an update to an existing contact.
Feb 16 17:49:59 <DocScrutinizer> and ke-recv
Feb 16 17:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Feb 16 17:50:21 <zanberdo> erm ke-recv? I must have missed that
Feb 16 17:52:06 <DocScrutinizer> note to self: topic for this night's CSSU meeting: ke-recv&mountscripts to CSSU-T?
Feb 16 17:52:57 <zanberdo> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8179 ?
Feb 16 17:52:58 <povbot> 04Bug 8179: ke-recv cannot work when  /home/user/MyDocs is ext3 partition (here solution)
Feb 16 17:53:08 <NIN101> mountscripts? You wanna auto-fsck my modifications? No!!1!one. 
Feb 16 17:53:46 <Pali> for proper automounting SD cards, USB flash HDD, .. is needed my fixed ke-recv
Feb 16 17:56:20 <Pali> here is link: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1147311&postcount=111
Feb 16 17:56:25 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: errwut?
Feb 16 17:56:35 <DocScrutinizer> aah Pali here U R
Feb 16 17:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Feb 16 17:57:18 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: please push it to CSSU-T :-)
Feb 16 17:57:53 <Pali> source code is already on gitorious cssu: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv
Feb 16 17:57:54 <NIN101> If CSSU ships mountscripts, it replaces my modified stock-mountscripts, and I got some annoying things to deal with then. But as a "unofficial-firmware", you can actually do it. So do it :-).
Feb 16 17:59:39 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: if something in "(un)official" FW-rev overrides your tweaks, you probably need a way to redo them after each upgrade anyway 
Feb 16 18:05:38 <Gear_> hey what's the best map app for the n900?
Feb 16 18:05:56 <Gear_> cloudgps seems to suck hard
Feb 16 18:06:47 <Gear_> there's mappero but it's shouting things at me in another language, I am looking for something that's gonna tell me how to get somewhere on foot, bike, or car
Feb 16 18:07:13 <Gear_> car being the least used
Feb 16 18:08:44 <Gear_> either foot or bike, but by bike voice commands would be good because if I am looking at a screen ever, I'll be run over multiple times
Feb 16 18:09:51 <pepper> Marble has those things.
Feb 16 18:10:21 <pepper> you can use multiple map sources. I use openstreetmaps. I read you could also use a extra overlay for bikers.
Feb 16 18:10:52 <pepper> and it has turn by turn audio navigation like most nav devices.
Feb 16 18:11:05 <Gear_> I'm talking about bicycle
Feb 16 18:11:14 <pepper> im currently converting my country(The Netherlands) to offline use.
Feb 16 18:11:16 <pepper> yes, me too.
Feb 16 18:11:25 <Gear_> oh awesome
Feb 16 18:11:49 <pepper> and, if you install the right packages you can also use the navigation offline.
Feb 16 18:12:05 <pepper> so, you would have a full working navigation suite for free, with offline use.
Feb 16 18:12:12 <Gear_> will it tell me the packages?
Feb 16 18:12:24 <pepper> yes, let me get you the links.
Feb 16 18:12:36 <Gear_> I have a 32gb card in my main phone
Feb 16 18:12:39 <pepper> nice
Feb 16 18:12:50 <Gear_> they're so cheap now
Feb 16 18:13:11 <pepper> http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=marble&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search
Feb 16 18:13:18 <Gear_> but yeah there is more room than I'll probably use
Feb 16 18:13:18 <pepper> marlbe virtual globe
Feb 16 18:13:35 <pepper> the marble maps are the extra themes, havent tried those yet
Feb 16 18:13:45 <pepper> and for the offline navigation: http://userbase.kde.org/Marble/Maemo/OfflineRouting
Feb 16 18:14:01 <pepper> I presume you live in Australia?
Feb 16 18:14:21 <Gear_> yeah melbourne
Feb 16 18:14:47 <pepper> cool, you can download the country files here: http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php
Feb 16 18:14:58 <pepper> which, has a fancy cycle version.
Feb 16 18:15:13 <Gear_> damn I should be doing this through my phone
Feb 16 18:15:17 <pepper> hmm, they appear to be garmin.
Feb 16 18:15:26 <pepper> probably not, the offline sets are BIG.
Feb 16 18:15:34 <pepper> and usually need conversion
Feb 16 18:15:53 <Gear_> it'd be great if there was a garmin app
Feb 16 18:16:39 <pepper> Yeah, I suppose. I dont mine marble, its pretty good for where I live.
Feb 16 18:16:49 <pepper> offcourse my country is quite small and dense, so its easier to map in detail.
Feb 16 18:16:51 <pepper> http://downloads.cloudmade.com/oceania/australia_and_new_zealand/australia#downloads_breadcrumbs
Feb 16 18:16:55 <pepper> thatsd australia
Feb 16 18:17:12 <pepper> you want a osm.bz2 file,probably not the coastline.
Feb 16 18:17:19 <Gear_> I just need my state really
Feb 16 18:17:35 <Gear_> which is about the size of .nl :)
Feb 16 18:17:38 <pepper> haha yeah
Feb 16 18:18:06 <pepper> I think downloading it via the phone will be quite slow for offline use, since its download speed is limited server side
Feb 16 18:18:10 <pepper> but in this program: http://maperitive.net/
Feb 16 18:18:11 <Gear_> I lived in rotterdam and utrecht about 10 years ago but right now I can't remember any dutch
Feb 16 18:18:49 <pepper> you can load the osm source, select a bounding box of the are you desire, and render a given amount of zoom levels to tiles that you can then copy in the marble program.
Feb 16 18:18:58 <pepper> cool!
Feb 16 18:19:13 <pepper> well, dutch is a difficult language with all sorts of annoying bits. I dont blame you.
Feb 16 18:19:16 <Gear_> will the app do this itself?
Feb 16 18:19:39 <pepper> do what itself? creating the tiles? or copying it into marble?
Feb 16 18:20:02 <Gear_> any of those things
Feb 16 18:20:23 <pepper> create the tiles, yes if you specify what it should do.its quite easy. copy it to marble? no. You have to do that yourself.
Feb 16 18:20:58 <Gear_> is copying the tiles only for offline use
Feb 16 18:21:11 <pepper> yes, you can skip the whole source downloading for offline use.
Feb 16 18:21:17 <Gear_> cool
Feb 16 18:21:22 <pepper> heck, if you are always online just use the program as is.
Feb 16 18:21:41 <Gear_> I have about 500mb a month and I don't really use it
Feb 16 18:21:42 <pepper> it has navigation and maps on the fly then.
Feb 16 18:21:51 <pepper> aah cool. how is the coverage in australia?
Feb 16 18:22:04 <Gear_> in this state and this city, it's everywhere
Feb 16 18:22:15 <pepper> even better, if you know your route you can download only the tiles along the route.
Feb 16 18:22:22 <Gear_> melbourne has like 6 million people?
Feb 16 18:22:27 <pepper> so you can preload it at home and dont have to wait for it to load when driving.
Feb 16 18:22:31 <pepper> nice
Feb 16 18:23:05 <pepper> this is pretty cool: http://www.opencyclemap.org/
Feb 16 18:23:19 <pepper> I knew it existed, just had not looked at it bbefore.
Feb 16 18:23:47 <Gear_> I'm cycling in traffic most of the time
Feb 16 18:23:59 <Gear_> and drivers here are insane, I have to keep up or die
Feb 16 18:24:05 <pepper> wow
Feb 16 18:24:14 <pepper> well you know how its here.
Feb 16 18:24:19 <pepper> easy going really.
Feb 16 18:24:22 <pepper> many biking paths.
Feb 16 18:24:29 <Gear_> bike paths everywhere
Feb 16 18:24:37 <pepper> yup, its brilliant.
Feb 16 18:24:47 <pepper> when the whole region jams in rushhour I bypass them all.
Feb 16 18:24:54 <Gear_> yeah holland is engineered to be awesome
Feb 16 18:25:17 <pepper> quite so!
Feb 16 18:28:21 <Gear_> there are bike paths here, but nearly everyone cycles in .nl
Feb 16 18:28:35 <Gear_> plus I cut across parks and whatever
Feb 16 18:28:42 <pepper> pretty much.
Feb 16 18:28:51 <pepper> I'm a mountainbiker myself, so I cut across anything.
Feb 16 18:29:07 <Gear_> I have a single speed dirt jumper
Feb 16 18:29:18 <pepper> nice
Feb 16 18:30:59 <NsaneCoffe> <-Downhiller
Feb 16 18:31:12 <Gear_> we're so cool.
Feb 16 18:31:25 <pepper> aw yeah
Feb 16 18:31:41 <NsaneCoffe> I know =D
Feb 16 18:31:48 <pepper> not much downhilling here, I ride in the dunes near the coast, so its all short climbs and decents :D
Feb 16 18:32:21 <pepper> I got a hardtail bike, and a friend of mine has full suspension, he gets away from me on the downhill but I always outclimb him.
Feb 16 18:32:32 <pepper> well its a single track parcours so not much overtaking.
Feb 16 18:33:57 <Gear_> mine's hardtail, single gear, 24" sun rims
Feb 16 18:34:07 <pepper> very nice
Feb 16 18:34:44 <NsaneCoffe> I have a Hardtail and a Freeride
Feb 16 18:34:45 <pepper> I plan on converting my old mountainbike to a single-speed for road driving, but it needs new brakes and a tailwheel.
Feb 16 18:35:45 <Gear_> I'm using a mongoose frame but the rest of the components are awesome, all I need is a good frame
Feb 16 18:36:17 <pepper> nice, you can always re-use the kit.
Feb 16 18:37:34 <Gear_> it's just back together after months of being apart in the kitchen
Feb 16 18:37:41 <NsaneCoffe> I love buying new parts for my bikes =D
Feb 16 18:37:44 <pepper> hahah
Feb 16 18:37:48 <pepper> same!
Feb 16 18:38:14 <Gear_> I need to get photos of the headlights I made
Feb 16 18:38:18 <NsaneCoffe> just cant wait to try it out
Feb 16 18:38:29 <pepper> haha
Feb 16 18:38:31 <NsaneCoffe> Headligths?
Feb 16 18:38:39 <pepper> whats special about the headlights?
Feb 16 18:39:13 <Gear_> yeah two really powerful tactical lights, on some brackets, the "special" part is the battery tube mounted to a bracket with straps on the bottom tube where the drink bottle holder goes
Feb 16 18:39:43 <Gear_> it's a 5D cell cop maglite, which is capped at both ends, and has a metal guitar jack supplying power to the lights
Feb 16 18:40:09 <Gear_> so you undo it and it's basically an indestructable club
Feb 16 18:40:55 <NsaneCoffe> Haha, sounds nice!
Feb 16 18:41:18 <Gear_> the top part where the torch part usually is, is gone, and there is another metal cap the same as the bottom
Feb 16 18:41:40 <pepper> hahah nice
Feb 16 18:41:43 <Gear_> bike security
Feb 16 18:41:47 <Gear_> well
Feb 16 18:41:49 <Gear_> personal
Feb 16 18:42:08 <NsaneCoffe> how much time did you spend on that?
Feb 16 18:42:48 <Gear_> I dunno
Feb 16 18:43:05 <Gear_> probably 20 hours in total realistically?
Feb 16 18:43:18 <Gear_> maybe 30
Feb 16 18:44:07 <NsaneCoffe> Haha
Feb 16 18:44:27 <Gear_> thick pro mic cables go to each of the "headlights" and they're black, and the same diameter as the hydraulic cables
Feb 16 18:44:55 <Gear_> so it doesn't look home grown at all
Feb 16 18:47:54 <Gear_> if I use the battery of death it does add nearly a kilogram to the bike
Feb 16 18:48:08 <NsaneCoffe> Haha
Feb 16 18:48:14 <NsaneCoffe> But last forever? 
Feb 16 18:48:27 <Gear_> I don't know how long it lasts for
Feb 16 18:48:38 <Gear_> the beating people aspect is what I made it for
Feb 16 18:49:15 <NsaneCoffe> ><
Feb 16 18:49:18 <Gear_> but, the batteries should last a long time, the tactical lights are modded because they ran off AAA
Feb 16 18:49:47 <Gear_> but they're blinding
Feb 16 18:50:56 <Gear_> like, actually blinding, I activated them a few times straight into my face and had to wait for a minute before I could see anything
Feb 16 18:51:06 <NsaneCoffe> Nice
Feb 16 18:51:32 <NsaneCoffe> like taking pictures with a camera in a dark rom
Feb 16 18:51:49 <Gear_> hah yeah
Feb 16 18:51:58 <pepper> nice
Feb 16 18:52:52 <Gear_> marble doesn't want to search for street names..
Feb 16 18:54:04 <Gear_> sweet there is a bicycle profile
Feb 16 18:54:05 <pepper> see if you need to configure the navigation first, it didnt work for me on the first try either.
Feb 16 18:54:29 <pepper> the next day it did, not quite sure if I restarted it in between
Feb 16 18:54:43 <pepper> also, you may need to install the deamon for the offline navigation, it should tell you in the menu.
Feb 16 18:54:58 <Gear_> I'll get it working first
Feb 16 18:57:44 <Gear_> the search doesn't seem very intuitive but I'm not sure what it's set to
Feb 16 18:59:47 <Gear_> putting commas between number, street, post code, city.. maybe it can be changed
Feb 16 19:00:15 <Gear_> how can I restrict it to my state? I don't want it searching the whole world
Feb 16 19:02:10 <Gear_> this is already so much better than cloud or mappero though!
Feb 16 19:07:45 <pepper> you can change the search module in the options.
Feb 16 19:07:55 <pepper> you can atleast limit it to your own country.
Feb 16 19:08:20 <pepper> seems to be pretty good and fast for my own country when I download the country set and allow it to only use offline navigation
Feb 16 19:09:03 <pepper> which is, go to options > routing > configure
Feb 16 19:09:18 <pepper> then ONLY have Monav checked.
Feb 16 19:09:27 <pepper> then click on configure, and download australia.
Feb 16 19:10:10 <pepper> and, for my country this works excellent/
Feb 16 19:12:52 <Gear__> I hate this connection
Feb 16 19:16:14 <pepper> not having much luck eh?
Feb 16 19:16:59 <Gear_> my router is crap
Feb 16 19:17:30 <pepper> this should explain the offline routing
Feb 16 19:17:30 <pepper> http://userbase.kde.org/Marble/Maemo/OfflineRouting
Feb 16 19:17:49 <Gear_> so it'll use gps to tell me where I am, and where to go right?
Feb 16 19:18:00 <Gear_> I haven't found any speech functions
Feb 16 19:20:33 <pepper> http://userbase.kde.org/Marble/CustomSpeakers
Feb 16 19:22:07 <pepper> you have to install them, but its there.
Feb 16 19:23:14 <Gear_> it didn't save my home
Feb 16 19:26:13 <Gear_> there is some monav deamon missing too
Feb 16 19:26:32 <pepper> you can install the monav through the application manager.
Feb 16 19:28:45 <Gear_> I'm already downloading the 277mb australia file
Feb 16 19:28:54 <Gear_> I'd prefer that to be on the sdcard
Feb 16 19:30:28 <pepper> It might be, not quite sure.
Feb 16 19:32:49 <Gear_> with the australia map it still needs a connection
Feb 16 19:32:58 <pepper> yep
Feb 16 19:33:14 <NsaneCoffe> Finally got my n900 up and running again
Feb 16 19:33:16 <Gear_> why am I downloading this map?
Feb 16 19:34:27 <pepper> offline navigation gear.
Feb 16 19:35:18 <Gear_> so it's downloading ALL the tiles?
Feb 16 19:35:42 <pepper> it downloads navigation files, not the actual tiles that are displayed.
Feb 16 19:36:07 <Gear_> yeah it still needs a connection for the tiles
Feb 16 19:36:14 <pepper> yep
Feb 16 19:36:32 <Gear_> how do I get around that again?
Feb 16 19:38:03 <pepper> download a .osm of your region and use maperative to split it up in tiles. 
Feb 16 19:38:55 <Gear_> with this map will it operate faster?
Feb 16 19:39:26 <pepper> yup, atleast for me it is.
Feb 16 19:39:33 <pepper> takes about a second to plot a route.
Feb 16 19:39:40 <Gear_> the real aim of this was totally on the fly
Feb 16 19:40:27 <Gear_> I don't want to preconfigure stuff at home in advance, I want to know where I am when I'm not at home, and how to get somewhere
Feb 16 19:40:34 <Gear_> I know where I am if I'm at home :)
Feb 16 19:47:05 <pepper> well, routing works fine for me in australia
Feb 16 19:50:17 <Gear_> it's crashing a lot, are you using power kernel?
Feb 16 19:50:31 <pepper> nop, very stable for me.
Feb 16 19:55:33 <Gear_> you don't use power kernel?
Feb 16 19:55:40 <Gear_> this might be a problem :/
Feb 16 19:55:49 <pepper> hmm. bah..
Feb 16 19:56:05 <pepper> I havent done any kernel stuff, I only got my machine last week friday.
Feb 16 20:03:09 <Gear_> it's just an upgrade, but it comes with lots of useful things and it's how you can overclock your phone and do other things
Feb 16 20:05:39 <Gear_> oh! monav was not installed
Feb 16 20:12:34 <trumee> anybody knows why Pali's new kp49 isnt listed here http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/?
Feb 16 20:13:49 <trumee> i only see the old version but not the version released yesterday, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1165506&postcount=2804
Feb 16 20:15:48 <merlin1991> the 'standard place' afaik is palis webspace and not maemo extras
Feb 16 20:16:12 <trumee> merlin1991: ah, it is the pre50 version? and not a re-release of kp49
Feb 16 20:16:22 <merlin1991> yep
Feb 16 20:16:31 <trumee> merlin1991: why did he post it in kp49 thread.
Feb 16 20:16:43 <trumee> merlin1991: it should have been in kp50 thread
Feb 16 20:16:50 <merlin1991> nfc
Feb 16 20:17:03 <merlin1991> maybe a honest mistake?
Feb 16 20:17:39 <trumee> ok
Feb 16 21:23:38 <ale152> hello
Feb 16 21:23:56 <ale152> is it possible to edit the incoming call window?
Feb 16 21:24:15 <ale152> i'd just like to edit the answer button position...
Feb 16 21:27:43 <andre__> ale152, unlikely, I don't think that the Call UI is open source code
Feb 16 21:27:52 <ale152> :(
Feb 16 21:28:05 <ale152> i hope it was like conversation UI...
Feb 16 21:37:38 <NsaneCoffe> How big job is it to resize the app memory on N900?
Feb 16 21:43:48 <jacekowski> NsaneCoffe: you mean storage space?
Feb 16 21:43:54 <jacekowski> NsaneCoffe: you will have to reflash
Feb 16 21:44:00 <jacekowski> NsaneCoffe: but it's easy
Feb 16 21:44:08 <jacekowski> NsaneCoffe: ask mohammad ag for modified image
Feb 16 21:44:27 <jacekowski> NsaneCoffe: or look into emmc image with hex editor and change 2048 to like 4096
Feb 16 21:49:50 <NsaneCoffe> Yeah but is the flashing any different from the ordinary bin files?
Feb 16 21:51:05 <NsaneCoffe> as far as i know there is a difference between mmc and combined images
Feb 16 21:52:19 <NsaneCoffe> i have only flashed combined before
Feb 16 22:01:45 <jacekowski> emmc first and then combined
Feb 16 22:02:10 <jacekowski> but you can do it the other way, just make sure it doesn't restart in between
Feb 16 22:06:58 <DocScrutinizer> asking MohammadAG seems a futile effort these days
Feb 16 22:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> he's as rare as x-fade
Feb 16 22:08:10 <DocScrutinizer> NsaneCoffe: see
Feb 16 22:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Feb 16 22:08:15 <infobot> rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Feb 16 22:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> and no, there's basically no difference in flashing eMMC vs rootfs
Feb 16 22:08:38 <DocScrutinizer> see
Feb 16 22:08:40 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Feb 16 22:08:41 <infobot> i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
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Feb 16 23:18:18 <lacerda> @all: how can I get the builtin music player current state (i.e. if it is playing, paused, stoped) via dbus?
Feb 16 23:19:50 <merlin1991> lacerda: it's actually not the mediaplayer that plays but mafw
Feb 16 23:20:01 <lacerda> merlin1991: indeed
Feb 16 23:20:05 <merlin1991> the builtin player is just a gui over a media framework
Feb 16 23:20:13 <merlin1991> there are indepth docs somewhere
Feb 16 23:21:08 <lacerda> merlin1991: actually I would like to do this to harmattan, but nobody answered me on #harmattan channel
Feb 16 23:21:09 <merlin1991> lacerda: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 might be a start
Feb 16 23:21:25 <merlin1991> nfc if that docs still apply for harmattan
Feb 16 23:21:35 <merlin1991> because mafw in harmattan is closed source without docs
Feb 16 23:21:54 <lacerda> merlin1991: thanks, I'll take a look
Feb 16 23:22:04 <merlin1991> you might be able to listen in to the mediaplayer logic with dbus-monitor
Feb 16 23:25:25 <lacerda> merlin1991: huum... I think that dbus-monitor could be useful
Feb 16 23:25:31 <lacerda> didn't know about it
Feb 16 23:44:53 <NsaneCoffe> Been out for a while but Thanks anyway jacekowski and DocScrutinizer 
Feb 16 23:58:51 <MohammadAG> jacekowski: Why me? :p
Feb 17 00:03:55 <DocScrutinizer> lacerda: yep, indeed. dbus-monitor
Feb 17 00:04:07 <DocScrutinizer> NsaneCoffe: yw
Feb 17 00:06:38 <lacerda> DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: thanks to dbus-monitor I could find what I want :)
Feb 17 00:06:47 <lacerda> state_changed signal
Feb 17 00:06:52 <DocScrutinizer> wow
Feb 17 00:08:00 <DocScrutinizer> I was already about to write a reply in #harm like "in HARM if it's not a function provided by QML you're not supposed to mess with it"
Feb 17 01:23:03 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.wirelessmodemapi.com :-((
Feb 17 02:43:58 <pseudonymous> I'm having a strange issue - I have an ssh server running on my n900 - but it doesnt seem to be openssh (which I've installed) as changes in the config don't seem to be reflected. How to identify?
Feb 17 02:54:52 <robbiethe1st> Make sure to restart the ssh server so it gets the changes
Feb 17 02:57:43 <pseudonymous> robbiethe1st: I did ( '/etc/init.d/ssh stop' ) - Even after that the ssh server still seems to be running. It's strange
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