**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 17 02:59:57 2012 Feb 17 03:00:07 dunnp Feb 17 03:00:11 *dunno Feb 17 03:02:47 hey robbiethe1st Feb 17 03:02:58 long time no see :-) Feb 17 03:05:35 More or less, yeah Feb 17 03:13:48 robbiethe1st: woopie! Turns out I was being an idiot - I must've tabbed my way to greatness and glory and thus edited /etc/ssh/ssh rather than /etc/ssh/sshd Feb 17 03:17:21 so you got your problem sortd now? Feb 17 03:18:34 yup - I finally took the time to find some way of utilizing this n900 as a modem, about bloody time too.. If you appreciate the irony, I'm studying computer science at a university dedicated solely to IT - yet most of the time the wifi is b0rked Feb 17 03:18:57 (hence the mission get a connection via the phone) Feb 17 03:19:47 sounds all about as normal as it could get Feb 17 03:21:16 probably there's only one place on earth where WLAN is even more borked than at your uni: CCCamp Feb 17 03:21:21 ;-D Feb 17 03:21:25 Yea well - between incompetent IT staff (or seriously overworked, I don't know which tbh) and bad architectural decisions. It's a mess.. Anyway.. at least this will work :) Feb 17 03:22:14 DocScrutinizer: oh, CCC turned out to be what I thought it was - yea, NO WAY I'd hook up a machine to that ;) Feb 17 03:23:17 Speaking of networking, I should go back and continue to try to get Bluetooth PAN working on my N900 Feb 17 03:24:38 I'd like to take my Windows 7 machine which has internet and share it to my phone over PAN Feb 17 03:24:47 robbiethe1st: if it's on the client-side then perhaps you shouldn't bother. At least for my distro there seems to be a consensus that 1) bluetooth is a mess 2) is even moreso broken in this distro than others Feb 17 03:24:54 oh, nvm ;) Feb 17 03:25:55 either way... Feb 17 03:32:18 Actually, while you're around, DocScrutinizer... I have to ask: My N900's very usable. Period. But if I leave any applications open and leave it for a while, when I come back it'll sit there pulling stuff out of swap(I guess) for several minutes. It doesn't do this if I'm actively using the device, though Feb 17 03:32:27 Any way to prevent it doing this? Feb 17 03:34:40 robbiethe1st: you might try swappolube and the associated thread on tmo where several people posted results of reasonable effort and investigation to find best settings Feb 17 03:36:12 esp when $applications you have open includes microb though, you are better off simply closing microb as soon as you don't actively use it anymore Feb 17 03:36:58 Yeah, I suppose Feb 17 03:37:18 See, the thing that bothers me is that it swaps properly and is fast and reactive when in use Feb 17 03:37:22 there are some webpages out there that tend to eat all TAM and swapspace even on my desktop PC, no matter which browser I use Feb 17 03:37:29 Multiple microB windows and things are still fluid. Feb 17 03:38:04 ... it's just if I leave it for a bit, it 'goes to sleep', and then swaps like mad. Feb 17 03:38:20 some supposedly flash advertisment adds on pages tend to eat ram as long as they run Feb 17 03:39:00 also youtube Feb 17 03:39:09 anything with flash Feb 17 03:39:15 sometimes also JS Feb 17 03:39:47 Well, I blocked flash, so that's not an issue Feb 17 03:39:52 last Konqueror crash been like 5h ago, on my laptop Feb 17 03:39:57 (the flashBlock click-to-play thingie works great) Feb 17 03:40:12 mhm Feb 17 03:40:19 no clue then Feb 17 03:40:43 I'm just used to the problem, and deal with it by closing all browser windows as soon as possible Feb 17 03:41:20 yeah, same Feb 17 03:42:11 maybe we could help the issue by starting browserd with some quotas for ram usage Feb 17 03:42:31 so it outokills rather than hogging 600MB ram Feb 17 03:42:35 auto* Feb 17 05:48:42 what's the best phone (besides n900) with a hardware keyboard? Feb 17 06:08:42 http://circuitzoo.com/2010/08/14/mobile-phone/nokia-n900-top-bottom-view-pcb where do I find out what these names mean? "V1311" etc... Feb 17 06:27:06 boy the screen cable is hard to get back in Feb 17 06:29:51 I don't think they mean anything apart from just references to which component is what. I think you may find that in the N900 schematics. They maybe available from wmo Feb 17 06:33:17 trying to fix my keyboard Feb 17 06:33:29 'g' stopped working after i dropped some water on it Feb 17 06:33:32 and then the whole keyboard Feb 17 06:34:21 N900 isn't a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. N950 would have been its successor or maybe a crossbred between N950 and n9 components (RAM, NFC, gorilla glass, etc). Apart from that, there's no "best" each smartphone or internet tablet with phone functionality are good and bad in their own ways Feb 17 06:35:29 You have a favorite Feb 17 06:35:38 highest end smartphone with HW keyboard Feb 17 06:37:06 maybe aava mobile? Feb 17 06:38:03 ...and it starts Feb 17 06:38:38 moment of truth! Feb 17 06:38:45 even a very high end smartphone comes with its own set of limitations Feb 17 06:39:01 I'm looking for one with a HW keyboard Feb 17 06:39:04 aava does? Feb 17 06:41:07 HAH Feb 17 06:41:13 keyboard is working again... not the 'g' button though Feb 17 06:41:15 looks like it doesn't have HW keyboard, I thought the prototype variant did Feb 17 06:42:04 there's a few high end android powered smartphones that has HW keyboard Feb 17 06:44:02 Like? Feb 17 06:44:21 There are lots of android phones people would call "high end" Feb 17 06:47:09 Motorola DROID 4 XT894 Feb 17 06:48:00 exactly, reinstating what I stated before that "high end" term would be circumstantial Feb 17 06:48:25 I just want an eeepc in the form factor of the n900 Feb 17 06:48:36 with GPS et al that works great Feb 17 06:48:45 not going to happen Feb 17 08:17:49 * RST38h moos Feb 17 09:42:23 what signal I should connect to on QListWidget? itemActivated() does not seem to fire if I just tap an item Feb 17 09:51:51 internetishard: you should remove domesheet and clean and dry thoroughly with a smooth cloth Feb 17 10:19:08 DocScrutinizer: btw what is 'technical' name for the barrel connectors, eg on old nokia charger? Feb 17 10:19:37 err, that Feb 17 10:19:46 dunno a better name Feb 17 10:19:54 not even in german Feb 17 10:20:26 in German I recently read "hollow plug" Feb 17 10:20:31 there's a wikipedia page u showed last time :/ Feb 17 10:20:49 a few months ago.. Feb 17 10:20:59 funny how when u need something u can't find it :) Feb 17 10:23:34 ah, think i got it.. this one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_connector#Cylindrical_connectors Feb 17 10:23:38 thanks DocScrutinizer Feb 17 10:27:42 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/17/motorola_patents/ Feb 17 11:28:30 Sicelo: wait a few minutes, will find that wiki page for you whwen back home Feb 17 11:37:49 Sicelo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_connector Feb 17 11:38:05 aka coaxial power connector Feb 17 11:38:48 that's it. :) Feb 17 11:38:53 thanks a million Feb 17 11:39:11 YW Feb 17 11:47:32 is someone trying to convert the N900 to barrel power? Feb 17 11:51:10 What? Feb 17 11:52:30 :P Feb 17 11:53:11 I know supercow power Feb 17 11:53:18 but barrel power... Feb 17 11:53:19 no. i just needed it for reference. i knew it was discussed here sometime ago, so i decided to ask Feb 17 11:53:22 :) Feb 17 11:54:01 iirc it's usuallly discussed here in connection with flashing when u have almost no power remaining on your battery Feb 17 11:54:14 ~flat-bat-recover Feb 17 11:54:24 well, a misconception Feb 17 11:54:38 ~flatbatrecover Feb 17 11:54:38 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Feb 17 11:56:03 in fact power via dedicated receptacle would be most useful for hostmode Feb 17 11:57:23 but actually also for flashing, as you're not supposed to draw >100mA from USB without proper ENUM which in turn would need a working system to do that ENUM Feb 17 11:57:53 unless you use fastcharger with D+/- short which obviously can't flash ;-P Feb 17 11:58:56 since flashing needs >100mA, you got that saftety check in NOLO that refuses to flash with flat battery Feb 17 12:00:27 which is usually a good thing, unless your root fs is totally borked to a state where no charging takes place, and also your battery is too low to make NOLO allow flashing a good new rootfs Feb 17 12:01:49 NOLO allows charging, but allas not up to the limit of safe flashing, it tries to boot into linux prior to reaching that charge state :-S Feb 17 12:02:39 which in turn creates a merry charge-loop Feb 17 12:03:29 as system will deplete battery (when rootfs borked) as soon as NOLO thinks battery is strong enough to boot up linux Feb 17 12:05:33 my suggestion been: teach NOLO to do charging up to at least 50% when plugging in power while holding 'C' key Feb 17 12:05:44 alas NOLO is closed source :-((( Feb 17 12:05:56 *scratches head* Feb 17 12:06:04 you can implement same thing in uBoot though Feb 17 12:06:09 Was this a design oversight or something that seemed like a good idea at the time? Feb 17 12:06:43 it seemed like a good idea and usually works for 99.99% of cases Feb 17 12:07:42 the missing "C" option in NOLO is an oversight though Feb 17 12:08:16 they added a similar function for N9, though via flasher tool Feb 17 12:08:44 Aha. Feb 17 12:09:52 N9 flasher forces charging until safe-to-flash Feb 17 12:10:27 I gather it does that via N9 NOLO Feb 17 12:11:49 for N900 the most quoted advice relating maemo applies: charge your battery before flashing or messing with rootfs Feb 17 12:12:03 charge it completely Feb 17 12:12:14 do it immediately before your critical action Feb 17 12:12:30 not 8h before Feb 17 12:14:35 hi guys, howto make maemo never disconnected my xchat connect? Feb 17 12:15:13 hm? Feb 17 12:15:18 i have remove autodisconnect or any other similar application Feb 17 12:15:39 well, works flawless here Feb 17 12:16:26 but xchat always disconnect after a couple of minutes or so, if i do nothing with the phone Feb 17 12:16:34 hmm Feb 17 12:16:36 strange Feb 17 12:16:53 check your ping/keep-alive time setting in xchat Feb 17 12:17:00 well, not xchat, but my gprs 3g connection Feb 17 12:17:20 err, you say the 3G disconnects? Feb 17 12:18:24 yup Feb 17 12:18:30 if so, you got some leftovers from any of your autodisconnect apps you removed Feb 17 12:18:56 a plain fremantle maemo should never disconnect from 3G as long as you got sufficient signal Feb 17 12:19:00 Hi! Does anybody know how to change the maximum size for SIP/RTP UDP frames on the lovely N9? Feb 17 12:19:32 /join #harmattan /join #n9 Feb 17 12:19:35 oop, wrong room. sorry Feb 17 12:19:59 where is autodisconnect configuration file save, usually? Feb 17 12:23:01 also bad mobile operator may be to blame. i get disconnects too, unless i have jabber/gtalk/etc online (guess these have more frequent pings) Feb 17 12:23:22 DocScrutinizer, you're right. autodisconnect still not remove completely Feb 17 12:23:57 dpkg -l | grep ^rc have autodisconnect in the list Feb 17 12:23:57 hmm, i never had that Feb 17 12:24:29 i will try purge it first Feb 17 12:25:30 does dpkg --purge need reboot to complete the action? Feb 17 12:27:10 no.. but who knows what autodisconnect does.. Feb 17 12:27:22 btw, how can i use nick autocomplete on xchat? where is that 'tab' button? Feb 17 12:27:59 i bound it to shift+backspace :) Feb 17 12:28:49 care to share howto do it? Feb 17 12:29:12 i'm new with maemo/n900 Feb 17 12:31:11 and you just need to check the setting menu **sorry for my lazy question Feb 17 12:32:29 Xchat > Settings > Advanced > Keyboard Shortcuts .. Feb 17 12:33:33 sLumPia: Sicelo: (autodisconnect) messes with the guts of ICD and whatnot. Probably reflash due Feb 17 12:34:10 sLumPia: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Feb 17 12:34:23 * Sicelo is relieved he never installed that :) Feb 17 12:36:46 reflash? howso? Feb 17 12:37:16 is autodisconnect as bad as battery/speed patch? Feb 17 12:37:21 :( Feb 17 12:38:34 probably, I don't know either Feb 17 12:38:57 at least for autodisconnect I could at least guess what it might mess up Feb 17 12:39:17 and that's a lot of files and gconf keys you can't easily restore Feb 17 12:40:49 of course you could analyze autodisconnect source and/or dpkg and see what files and gconf-keys get affected, and try to restroe just these. OR you restore a backupmenu backup done prior to installation of autodisconnect Feb 17 12:41:28 d*mn, i dont have backup prior to autodisconnect Feb 17 12:41:30 or you simply do a normal backup, reflash, and "restore" (i.e. re-install) all your apps Feb 17 12:42:06 I hope and guess autodisconnect garbage won't get backup'ed by normal backup app Feb 17 12:42:06 i though autodisconnect is one of those must install apps after a reflash Feb 17 12:59:41 autodisconnect is basically useless, except for one particular case: when your carrier thinks it's a good idea to expose your IP to the general internet without any NAT and/or firewall in between, so you see lots of *inbound* pings/requests that also make the modem crank up the transmitter and eat battery like mad. There's no other way to stop this pathological case than just disconnecting the GPRS wireless connection. Feb 17 13:00:33 for all other - less pathological - usecases there's no benefit and sometimes even a penalty in tearing down connections Feb 17 13:01:37 ooh, yeah. A borked WIFI AP can force you to set wifi power saving mode to low or none, which also is a "pathological case" Feb 17 13:04:08 well according to the site i read, it will save the battery when maemo disconnect the connection Feb 17 13:04:09 now i know howto scary wrong information can be Feb 17 13:04:09 damn, i hate reflash Feb 17 13:07:44 sLumPia: read about power consumption and conxerving at http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption (connected idle 2/3G: +5/+8mA) Feb 17 13:08:54 hm...i think dont need to reflash. my 3g connection didnt disconnect Feb 17 13:08:58 I.E the 3G data connection would run 150h from your battery, if the rest of system wouldn't also eat some power Feb 17 13:09:32 sorry, i got to go idle for a couple of minutes Feb 17 13:21:07 test Feb 17 13:21:20 yes, it still connected Feb 17 13:21:24 :) Feb 17 13:21:37 no reflash needed Feb 17 13:22:54 DocScrutinizer: I love them b0rked wifi aps (I have one here :/) Feb 17 13:23:13 :nod: Feb 17 13:23:25 brand? Feb 17 13:23:37 model? Feb 17 13:23:41 the drive in this netbook makes a lot of clicking Feb 17 13:23:42 FW-rev? Feb 17 13:23:45 :-D Feb 17 13:24:02 and sometimes a kind of beep noise Feb 17 13:24:09 hmm Feb 17 13:24:12 is it dying? Feb 17 13:24:19 possibly Feb 17 13:24:24 check SMART Feb 17 13:24:35 what's smart Feb 17 13:24:38 CNet's CWa-854 hasn't disappointed me with PSM and N900 :) Feb 17 13:25:27 halley:~ # smartctl --help Feb 17 13:25:28 smartctl 5.39 2009-08-08 r2872~ [i686-pc-linux-gnu] (openSUSE RPM) Feb 17 13:25:28 D-Link DIR-635 hw version B3 firmware version 2.33EU Feb 17 13:25:45 WAAAH, same here Feb 17 13:25:46 ^ sucky piece of shit Feb 17 13:25:58 oops nope, 615 Feb 17 13:26:12 I'm running xp Feb 17 13:26:16 on this atom thing Feb 17 13:26:24 Gear_: there is a smart tool for win Feb 17 13:26:28 lemme check Feb 17 13:26:32 nfc how to check SMART via wincrap Feb 17 13:26:57 ~wiki smart Feb 17 13:27:00 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Wiktionary|smart}} {{TOC right}} Smart is another word for intelligence. 'Smart' or 'SMART' may also refer to: 'People': *Christopher Smart, English poet *Amy Smart, American actress and former fashion model *Elizabeth Smart: **Elizabeth Smart (author) (1913–1986), writer of the novel "By Grand Central Station I Sat Down and Wept" **Elizabeth Smart (activist) (born 1987), kidnapping ... Feb 17 13:27:11 Gear_: speedfan also checks smart Feb 17 13:27:16 meh Feb 17 13:27:30 speedfan? this is an atom netbook Feb 17 13:27:37 who cares? Feb 17 13:27:44 you don't need the cpu features after all? :D Feb 17 13:27:59 smart is independend of the cpu ;) Feb 17 13:28:15 k Feb 17 13:28:19 can I check it with bios Feb 17 13:28:31 depends on your bios Feb 17 13:28:35 mine has no support for that Feb 17 13:28:36 some do Feb 17 13:30:17 http://www.wintotal.de/tipparchiv/?rb=36&id=755 Feb 17 13:30:41 usually all you can do in BIOS is to enable SMART Feb 17 13:30:55 should I enable it Feb 17 13:31:18 sure Feb 17 13:31:41 >>Freeware-Tools, die den S.M.A.R.T.-Staus auslesen können: - CrystalDiskInfo - HDDScan - HD Tune - SpeedFan - Acronis Drive Monitor - Advanced Task- & Startup-Manager - GSmartControl<< Feb 17 13:32:42 of course also a lot of HSS manuf proprietary diagnostic tools Feb 17 13:33:09 s/HSS/HDD/ Feb 17 13:33:09 DocScrutinizer meant: of course also a lot of HDD manuf proprietary diagnostic tools Feb 17 13:34:45 Gear_: TBH you should shoot the manuf of the netbook, or alternatively the dude at the shop where you purchased it, when SMART isn't already enabled Feb 17 13:35:32 yeah this is old Feb 17 13:35:45 it's supposed to be unused Feb 17 13:36:20 also it came with two partitions and some other weirdo ones, I deleted them all and made the drive into one ntfs partition Feb 17 13:36:35 could that cause a problem Feb 17 13:51:35 nt for the drive Feb 17 13:51:38 ot Feb 17 13:51:41 dang Feb 17 13:51:53 NOT for the HDD drive Feb 17 13:53:15 * DocScrutinizer winds an alarm clock to remember watching result of smartctl -t long /dev/sda Feb 17 13:54:22 >>... Drive command "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful.\n Testing has begun.\n Please wait 58 minutes for test to complete.\n Test will complete after Fri Feb 17 15:48:05 2012<<< Feb 17 14:00:55 Gear_: check for read errors / postitioning errors, also for spin-up time Feb 17 14:05:17 ~swiki s.m.a.r.t. Feb 17 14:05:23 ~wiki s.m.a.r.t. Feb 17 14:05:28 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{about|the hardware monitoring system|the mnemonic used in setting goals|SMART criteria}} 'S.M.A.R.T.' ('Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology'; often written as 'SMART') is a monitoring system for computer hard disk drives to detect and report on various indicators of reliability, in the hope of anticipating failures. When a failure is anticipated by S.M.A.R.T., the ... Feb 17 14:15:00 "There is damage caused by natural disaster, intentional or unintentional misuse, acts of war, space invasions, abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, or use under abnormal conditions" Feb 17 14:15:09 ASUS warranty terms Feb 17 14:20:58 :) Feb 17 14:28:59 space invasions Feb 17 14:51:51 RST38h: I assume ASUS excludes all these from warranty Feb 17 14:52:52 plus "normal wear and tear", of course Feb 17 14:54:10 and it's user's obligation to deliver proof there's no previous or ongoing space invasion by invisible HDD-eating monsters Feb 17 21:45:12 is anyone here? apparently, kernel crashes don't write anything to mtd2 anymore. Feb 17 21:59:49 Hurrian: A) of course somebody here. B) details please Feb 18 01:31:43 aw Feb 18 01:32:17 killall -11 browserd ; /etc/init.d/tablet-browser* start seems to only work once on diablo Feb 18 01:32:37 (for forcing garbage collect without losing open browser windows) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 18 02:59:58 2012