**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 22 02:59:59 2012 Feb 22 04:57:04 what does it mean when you call a number and it says not available, but when you call support they claim they can call the number? Feb 22 04:57:13 The number is 877-723-7245 Feb 22 04:57:36 It has just said, "number not available" to me for the entire last week - I try everyday. I've never heard of this before. Feb 22 05:09:25 internetishard: some idiots setup toll-free numbers that only work from some phones Feb 22 05:11:22 luke-jr: yeah tmo couldn't even call it Feb 22 05:11:23 heh Feb 22 07:09:04 hm Feb 22 07:09:29 i am starting to suspect that omweather was absorbing an excessive amount of battery Feb 22 07:09:40 foreca seems to be more kind Feb 22 07:10:34 maybe problems refreshing? Feb 22 07:45:50 quite possible Feb 22 07:51:22 How to find a contact matching with a string? Say I want to find some contacts that have "MS" in any of the contact description fields Feb 22 07:58:24 good question - at least the standard contacts app is painfully missing this global search. Feb 22 07:59:15 LaoLang_cool: Nicolai to the rescue: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60526&page=3 Feb 22 08:05:18 DocScrutinizer: seems it's not the global searching, anyway, better than haven't Feb 22 08:06:17 LaoLang_cool: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990571#post990571 Feb 22 08:06:37 you easily can change that to do whatever search you like Feb 22 08:08:08 DocScrutinizer: yes, but I'm not a programmer :( What I want is just a contactsearch.sh "MS", then all contacts haveing "MS" in any field will be listed up... Feb 22 08:08:54 sorry, no time right now to patch that scriptie so it does exactly what you ask for Feb 22 08:09:11 DocScrutinizer: thank you anyway Feb 22 10:01:08 Morning Feb 22 10:07:35 hi Jaffa Feb 22 12:02:40 Hi, anyone here with power kernel active at the moment? Feb 22 12:03:59 I'm trying to chroot into the latest ubuntu image and found info that it worked in 2010 on power-kernel Feb 22 12:04:18 ask your question Feb 22 12:05:48 I want to start with checking if there is something in /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc Feb 22 12:06:02 Sicelo: ^ Feb 22 12:06:17 on non-power kernel it's empty Feb 22 12:06:58 the directory is empty as well here Feb 22 12:07:02 kp49 Feb 22 12:10:18 Sicelo: Okay, thank you. I'm sorry to bother you but can you post $ lsmod result? on Pastebin? Will make mine in a moment and you can only briefly compare them if you don't want to post Feb 22 12:12:28 http://pastebin.com/SDMip7TB Feb 22 12:12:50 http://pastebin.com/b7LRkeed Feb 22 12:25:38 and nothing related to chroot.. Thanks a lot :) and I'm out of ideas currently... Feb 22 12:31:42 no one here knows what you are doing, or what problems you're facing. i doubt they can help you in that case. mind stating what the problem really is? Feb 22 12:33:52 Hello ! I am thinking of getting a 2nd hand n900, and am curious of various little things about this phone and distro Feb 22 12:34:39 its not exactly a smartphone Feb 22 12:35:00 yes I understood its more a very tiny computer Feb 22 12:35:44 and you should also realise that nokia no longer recognises maemo as their platform. They have more or less disowned it Feb 22 12:36:13 I'm reluctant in giving all my life details to google, and using linux only at home since ages, so I thought n900 may be a nice toy for me, that I could use as a phone too Feb 22 12:36:54 It is a nice toy if you're familiar with linux, especially the command line stuff Feb 22 12:37:14 and also be quick to forgiving its shortfalls Feb 22 12:37:22 adroc, I was pretty happy with it one year ago -- not as a phone, but as a portable hand-held computer Feb 22 12:37:30 as a phone it's not very nice Feb 22 12:37:47 like, too big ? or feature wise ? Feb 22 12:37:50 (short battery life, slow and non-responsive UI after a while) Feb 22 12:37:55 k Feb 22 12:38:04 see, you can do so much with it that you tend to do it a lot Feb 22 12:38:14 which means battery doesn't last the entire day Feb 22 12:38:26 and since you can do stuff, you tend to fill its tiny little 256 MB of RAM with web pages and stuff Feb 22 12:38:30 most smartphones these days are more or less the same Feb 22 12:38:32 and 'weak' usb port (which is the life of the device) Feb 22 12:38:45 which means when you get an incoming call, the n900 is busy swapping things out so it can display you the incoming number etc Feb 22 12:38:46 Sicelo: I heard of it yes Feb 22 12:38:56 I've seen this take, uhh, I didn't measure Feb 22 12:38:57 30 seconds? Feb 22 12:39:03 ouch Feb 22 12:39:06 let's settle with "unacceptably long" for me Feb 22 12:39:11 maybe it was more like 10 seconds Feb 22 12:39:13 it gets worse the longer the uptime is Feb 22 12:39:21 yes! Feb 22 12:39:26 Sicelo: the problem is that binaries that look no different from ones from Debian that succesfully chroot will not execute with "Exec format error" Feb 22 12:39:49 even when it comes to acting as a simple alarm clock, hitting the stop button takes seconds to respond and all that time you keep hearing the alarm chime Feb 22 12:40:18 Here is the old thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64651 (but without any useful info except link to person who tried it and never answered the last question) Feb 22 12:40:49 how active is the community ? nokia dropped support, but enthusiasts are still here, and repos too ? well, you seem to be here, anyways :) Feb 22 12:40:55 the USB port issue is well known within tmo but there's a thread or two about dodgy audio port Feb 22 12:41:11 most of the community repositories are up Feb 22 12:41:55 Sicelo: the only difference between executables is stated kernel version but it varies both in Debian ELFs and Ubuntu ELFs Feb 22 12:41:57 nokia's repositories are also up but nokia doesn't provide any updates apart from security update (which was already fixed initially by the community) Feb 22 12:42:30 I have an old e65, it is getting hard to find anything for it Feb 22 12:43:07 like "for GNU/Linux 2.6.14" or 2.6.16, 18 Feb 22 12:43:25 N900 may too soon suffer the same fate Feb 22 12:44:10 yes, this is what makes me a bit afraid . I have the feeling I wil have fun with this, but that it won't last long Feb 22 12:46:52 ideally a few N900 would be nice if your budget permits Feb 22 12:47:57 * mgedmin would rather buy a n9 than a few n900s: the hardware is slicker and more powerful Feb 22 12:49:34 * psycho_oreos loathes at the idea of hw-keyboard-less devices despite the fact that he too owns a n9 as well Feb 22 12:50:43 ah, didn't know you upgraded as well :) Feb 22 12:50:49 actually I like the idea of the phtsical kb Feb 22 12:51:14 and well, n9 is not in the same price range Feb 22 12:52:09 I would love to have N950 despite the fact that its not available publicly and that in some ways its a little inferior to n9. However I just can't stand the pure touchscreen keyboard regardless of the amount of time I spent forgiving the fact that theres simply no proper hardware keyboard Feb 22 12:52:21 Sicelo, more like a downgrade imo Feb 22 12:53:05 the other day I was helping a bloke with his N900 and his query made me dig out my N900 which I must admit that I could love N900 all over again Feb 22 12:55:10 :) Feb 22 12:57:13 and speaking of N950 vs n9, I just recalled of a belief that I have held. The fact that one can't get N950 but is a tinkerer that can only get n9 as a result is really pushing oneself in a vulnerable state in front of developers whom were gifted with N950. Its more like a master and slave relationship compared to N900 days where both the dev and the end users were on the same level playing field Feb 22 12:57:21 try not to get sodomised ;) Feb 22 13:00:18 I think I've found.. not the answer but the link to the reason: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=871036&postcount=1857 Feb 22 13:10:46 ok, thank you guys for your input - I'll let a few nights pass before deciding :) Feb 22 13:10:50 have a nice day ! Feb 22 13:50:47 I was wrong about versions Feb 22 13:51:36 most of debian ELFs are for 2.6.18 Feb 22 13:51:48 and not a single one in ubuntu Feb 22 18:05:52 Moo all Feb 22 20:05:32 ping onion Feb 22 20:07:20 ping pong Feb 22 20:07:34 can i has an japanian input on N9? Feb 22 20:07:47 what input? Feb 22 20:07:57 kana keyboard ? Feb 22 20:08:01 yup Feb 22 20:08:30 im wondering if i should buy N9 or lumia 800 Feb 22 20:08:37 HaXeri: https://code.google.com/p/maliit-plugin-jp/ Feb 22 20:08:41 try that Feb 22 20:09:07 mmm, can't see that page without letting google riddle me with cookies Feb 22 20:09:34 HaXeri: samsung galaxy note Feb 22 20:09:44 https://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Page Feb 22 20:10:37 ah, yeah Feb 22 20:11:00 * wmarone notes that down in the event he gets an N9 Feb 22 20:11:30 kerio: why, tell me some key features Feb 22 20:11:39 HaXeri: it's huge as fuck Feb 22 20:11:50 HaXeri: nice screen Feb 22 20:12:00 HaXeri: plays angry birds Feb 22 20:40:10 kerio: i dont need a huge screen, a large resolution would be nice Feb 22 20:40:37 HaXeri: my suggestion was only partly serious, mind you Feb 22 20:41:00 the galaxy note has awesome specs, a beautiful screen, and IT'S FUCKING HUGE Feb 22 20:41:06 and it has android Feb 22 20:41:08 so that's dumb Feb 22 20:41:28 but considering that the alternative is basically either another android phone, an iphone, or another n900... Feb 22 20:41:29 i saw a dumb girl at school holding a huge android phone today Feb 22 20:41:37 wonder if it was note Feb 22 20:48:39 note looks awesome Feb 22 20:48:46 but android and no keyboard :/ Feb 22 22:07:46 Pali, ping Feb 22 22:07:52 pong Feb 22 22:08:30 I think there is something wrong with your latest KP .debs Feb 22 22:08:42 I've never seen those missing symbols Feb 22 22:08:50 from KP development thread Feb 22 22:09:00 that missing symbols was in v49 too Feb 22 22:09:12 at least on my n90 Feb 22 22:09:16 *n900 Feb 22 22:09:29 kp49 in repos? Feb 22 22:09:44 dont remember Feb 22 22:10:15 but I saw that missing symbols in some v49 (maybe pre or repo) version Feb 22 22:11:01 freemangordon, I cannot kill fm* processes - it is OK? Feb 22 22:11:11 give me a minute to find the thread Feb 22 22:12:07 Pali, do you have fcam drivers? Feb 22 22:12:12 no Feb 22 22:13:21 when do those messages appear, right after a reboot? Feb 22 22:13:52 Pali ^^^ Feb 22 22:17:17 Pali, cannot reproduce it here Feb 22 22:17:21 <[DarkGUNMAN]> quick quesstion. is there a way to disable font antialiasing in maemo? Feb 22 22:21:57 <[DarkGUNMAN]> or is there a way to convert ttf to bitmap? Feb 22 22:24:03 [DarkGUNMAN] programatically? Feb 22 22:24:17 <[DarkGUNMAN]> system wide font Feb 22 22:24:39 I meant: in runtime, or offline using some tool? Feb 22 22:25:16 <[DarkGUNMAN]> if converting ttf to bitmap it would be a tool. Feb 22 22:25:38 <[DarkGUNMAN]> if disabling antialiasing then it would be useful to know Feb 22 22:25:58 <[DarkGUNMAN]> may speed up page rendering in some apps Feb 22 22:26:23 <[DarkGUNMAN]> tesing it against phoneme Feb 22 22:27:00 well, but why don't do it as a part of the code? Feb 22 22:27:38 you cannot convert all the fonts and all the sizes before running the app Feb 22 22:28:06 <[DarkGUNMAN]> I'll suggest it to the author and see if he can disable it in code Feb 22 22:28:46 if he is using QT, then i can bet it is possible Feb 22 22:29:33 <[DarkGUNMAN]> i'd like to generate a bitmap font myself with set sizes. any good tools you could suggest? Feb 22 22:30:01 <[DarkGUNMAN]> yeah i think part of the code is qt, could work Feb 22 22:30:14 nope, I am trying to stay away from fonts :) Feb 22 22:30:33 let me check what can be done with QFont Feb 22 22:32:51 [DarkGUNMAN], QFont::setStyleStrategy(QFont::NoAntialias) ;) Feb 22 22:33:17 NFC if that actually works Feb 22 22:37:28 <[DarkGUNMAN]> i'll pass it on. Thank you :) Feb 22 23:13:35 hello Feb 22 23:14:16 is it possible to update libc6 on Maemo with package from debian.org? Feb 22 23:14:27 or any other way Feb 22 23:20:38 * Doc_No_ACTA_zer mumbles "Frage an Radio Eriwan: Kann Mercedes fahren um 90° kruve mit 120 Kilometer schnell? - Antwort von Radio Eriwan: In Prinzip ja, aber nur einmal" Feb 22 23:22:17 dole: probably it would be easier to find an answer for you that doesn'T sound like Radio Eriwan, when you would tell what's your problem, rather than asking if it is possible to do something weird Feb 22 23:23:11 Doc_No_ACTA_zer: I want to install this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/armel/hydra-gtk/6.5-1 Feb 22 23:23:30 and to do that, I need "hydra" Feb 22 23:24:07 which need libc6 >=2.7 Feb 22 23:27:41 well for sure you can try to compile libc6>=2.7 for fremantle and then install it *locally* for hydra. I doubt fremantle in general will be happy with a new libc6 Feb 22 23:28:04 probably you even could link hydra statically Feb 22 23:28:38 I did try to install it, and yes, the n900 didn´t like it Feb 22 23:28:53 I reflashing my phone as we speak Feb 22 23:28:53 but to be honest, I doubt hydra will work on N900 without massive tweaking Feb 22 23:29:07 I guess you are right Feb 22 23:29:29 maybe I should find an alternative Feb 22 23:30:17 well, I think there should be chroot environments that have all the dependencies you need Feb 22 23:30:50 yet I dunno how lowlevel is the stuff that h here is a list of dependens for hydra: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/armel/hydra/6.5-1 Feb 22 23:31:35 if it is any help Feb 22 23:31:42 this only trnasposes the problem Feb 22 23:33:09 then it's not the question "can hydra tweak TOS bits in IP packets" but "can libc6 do that when compiled for N900 and running on stock kernel" - to pick a random made up example Feb 22 23:33:25 ah, I see Feb 22 23:34:04 maybe I can find an older version of hydra that doesn´t need libc6 2.7 Feb 22 23:34:22 I guess that would make everything a lot easier Feb 22 23:34:45 if you can find a version that doesn't list lib deps that are not available on fremantle, then your chances are good to get it to work Feb 22 23:34:56 yeah Feb 22 23:35:41 tbh I have nfc what libc6 version is standard on fremantle Feb 22 23:36:42 2.5 Feb 22 23:38:51 i found the source code for hydra 6.1 Feb 22 23:39:06 I don´t think it will need libc6 2.7 Feb 22 23:47:59 I still wonder if standard GTK will work on Hildon Feb 22 23:48:53 yeah, it would be great if it did work Feb 22 23:48:54 GeneralAntilles: heyhey, long time no see of your gan900 imperonation Feb 22 23:49:27 I´m kinda suprised of all the programs I have got to work on the n900 Feb 22 23:50:32 Onesixtyone, SIPVicious, Yersinia Feb 22 23:50:35 Metasploit Feb 22 23:50:53 and there are som usefull programs in the repo too Feb 22 23:51:02 like WireShark and Kismet Feb 22 23:51:06 well, it's GNU userland and X11 Feb 22 23:51:45 even a sane kernel, though a bit over-mature Feb 22 23:52:19 hakkattakk: even aircrack Feb 22 23:52:41 and the way more useful tshark Feb 22 23:52:50 yeah Feb 22 23:52:59 as wireshark is useless without a 1280*800 monitor Feb 22 23:53:18 Cleven is really nice Feb 22 23:53:33 I couldn´t get Wifite to work though Feb 22 23:53:51 doesn´t do package injection Feb 22 23:53:57 yeah, the fremantle maemo community is a nice bunch Feb 22 23:54:01 but with Cleven it worked really nice Feb 22 23:54:08 :) Feb 22 23:54:49 I think you need lxp's wifi driver for proper monitormode and injection Feb 22 23:55:37 afaik with stock kernel and drivers even airodump only monitors chan6 Feb 22 23:56:00 and aireplay no dice Feb 22 23:56:33 unless of course you use a second WLAN-USB dongle ;-D Feb 22 23:57:08 yeah, but I loaded the drivers from cleven, and removed the line that pointed to the "loaddriver"-script in wifite. So I guess it used the packet injection-drivers fron cleven Feb 22 23:57:14 but it still didn´t work Feb 22 23:57:30 but Cleven is really nice too, so I guess I can use that instead Feb 22 23:57:44 never looked into it Feb 22 23:57:59 I'm not a pen guy Feb 22 23:58:38 me neither, but I want too be some day Feb 22 23:58:41 or... I feel more relaxed when I don't have to be one ;-D Feb 22 23:59:14 but it's nice to know I could any time Feb 22 23:59:33 what do you work with then? Feb 22 23:59:44 errr Feb 22 23:59:54 or do you study? Feb 23 00:00:19 ATM winXP, and Clearcase, eclipse etc, to build the guts of your next phone Feb 23 00:00:42 I.E. LTS stack and system Feb 23 00:00:50 LTE Feb 23 00:01:25 ah Feb 23 00:04:04 hakkattakk: http://www.stericsson.com/products/m7400-thor.jsp Feb 23 00:05:19 so you develop the firmware/software for the LTE-modem in that computer? Feb 23 00:05:35 or devices in general Feb 23 00:06:42 in which computer? Feb 23 00:06:55 I mean in any devices Feb 23 00:07:17 the picture and the modelname "M7400" confuses me Feb 23 00:07:20 yep, I develop/debug the firmware inside modem Feb 23 00:07:32 cool Feb 23 00:07:42 M7400 is STE modem chip codename Thorium Feb 23 00:08:14 haven´t heard of STE before Feb 23 00:08:44 or do you mean LTE? Feb 23 00:08:56 ST-Micro&Ericsson Feb 23 00:09:52 aka ST Ericsson, short STE Feb 23 00:09:56 I see Feb 23 00:10:48 you most likely already own a phone with a chipset of Ericsson Feb 23 00:11:02 probably Feb 23 00:11:06 I have a lot of phones Feb 23 00:14:01 hakkattakk: check out NovaThor chips - brilliant Feb 23 00:15:02 all in one Feb 23 00:15:08 yup Feb 23 00:15:31 I guess you can make a really small phone with that chip Feb 23 00:15:46 :nod: Feb 23 00:16:17 less slder points -> less points of failure Feb 23 00:16:23 solder* Feb 23 00:16:34 yeah Feb 23 00:16:47 I see that it has F Feb 23 00:16:50 *FM Feb 23 00:16:58 does that include transmitter? Feb 23 00:17:06 or is it just a FM-reciever? Feb 23 00:17:07 IIRC yes Feb 23 00:17:43 thats awesome Feb 23 00:18:00 is there any device that use that chip? Feb 23 00:18:10 that chip doesn't exist yet Feb 23 00:18:20 to bad Feb 23 00:18:31 M7400 is top notch ATM Feb 23 00:19:02 and there are Nova chips, e.g. on snowball board Feb 23 00:20:21 so for now you have to combine a Nova APE with a Thor 7400 chipset to get what NovaThor will ship on one pkg Feb 23 00:21:20 Ok, when will NovaThor be on the market? Feb 23 00:23:52 ooh, I have to correct myself, the U9xxx and lesser siblings might already be on market (I am strictly modem side, so dunno what APE side development does right now) Feb 23 00:24:19 anyway there's no one-chip solution in NovaThor for LTE yet, afaik Feb 23 00:25:41 and sorry, even if I were allowed to talk about that, I don't have a clue when the chip bakers think they can go primetime. We are 'just* the poor SW devels that make the rocks jump inside modem Feb 23 00:26:12 :p Feb 23 00:28:33 netsplit? Feb 23 01:14:22 just got THC-Hydra working :) Feb 23 01:14:27 or installed Feb 23 01:15:04 I will see if I can get the GTK to work Feb 23 01:26:48 I need to wake up a pc behind a homerouter that is connected to a 2nd homerouter (which I'm currently connected to with my N900 over wifi). the problem is, the inner router blocks woller as "dos attacks" and I see that it uses a different port each time I try to send the magic package. so what I need to do is tell the first router (my AP) to send the magic package to a certain port. how do I tell a WOL client to do that? woller allows me to send magic packag Feb 23 01:55:37 Awesome, just "hacked" one user from my ftp-server with THC-Hydra on my n900 :) Feb 23 01:55:49 *with my n900 Feb 23 02:00:15 arvut: I have tried a few WOL-clients on my n900 and they haven´t worked. But I have always been able to set the port Feb 23 02:00:33 I think the standardport for WOL is 9 Feb 23 02:01:55 what model do you have on the inner router? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 23 02:59:58 2012