**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 04 02:59:59 2012 Mar 04 03:00:33 yeah, sure Mar 04 03:01:05 I first parsed that quote like the antenna would spin 30/s Mar 04 03:01:32 which obviously is nonsense Mar 04 03:04:34 in the simple lighthouse scheme you'd send a beacon with e.g 2kHz modulation when rotating antenna is at 0° position, and the sweep signal from rotating antenna would come in with e.g 1kHz modulation, between 0..2s after the beacon, depending on speed of ratation and your bearing from tower Mar 04 03:05:10 you'd need knowledge about that roation speed of that lighthouse, to decode the signal Mar 04 03:05:27 for the phaseshift TDMA signal you don't Mar 04 03:05:50 dang, rotation* Mar 04 03:06:56 otoh you know rotation speed from beacon freq Mar 04 03:08:47 you *could* decode the simple lighthouse scheme signal 'by hand' with a simple FM-radio. You can't do that for the phaseshift encoded signal Mar 04 03:12:06 what however makes the simple lighthouse inferior to phaseshift TDMA is the TX power you need for the omnidirectional beacon (while I don't see why the TDMA scheme does need two antennae at all) Mar 04 03:17:11 ~xyawn Mar 04 03:17:12 well, xyawn is coffee Mar 04 09:06:54 is it possible to share the the 3G with wifi in ap mode? on the n900 Mar 04 09:08:09 actually bluetooth DUN will do, gonna try Mar 04 09:08:45 you can't enable AP mode on the N900 Mar 04 09:10:19 IIRC there is no publicly available AP mode firmware for the TI-WL15xx Mar 04 09:13:03 wl125x that is Mar 04 09:21:41 eh, how does bluetooth DUN work Mar 04 09:21:57 i installed bluetooth DUN on the n900, bluetooth is enabled, paired with my device, and got a PAN client app for it Mar 04 09:23:43 right lol Mar 04 09:23:49 i migth not want PAN when using DUN apparently Mar 04 09:23:51 * bindi is confused Mar 04 09:29:40 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525793 Mar 04 09:29:43 any of this possible on the n900? Mar 04 09:30:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking found this Mar 04 10:26:49 n900 can do that and more bindi. even the question asked at the end of that thread .. n900 can do it ;) Mar 04 10:27:35 right well, i got as far as "ifup usb0" and while in pc suite mode Mar 04 10:27:48 and that's when i had no idea what to do next :p Mar 04 10:28:45 * Sicelo pats his N900 Mar 04 10:29:51 trying to share connection to my ICS tablet with either bluetooth or usbv Mar 04 10:30:07 loving h-e-n + CDMA modem to setup a ppp connection. i use it when updating sofware because cdma costs half as much as regular GSM data (gprs/3g) Mar 04 10:30:08 usb*.. since asus decided to drop ad-hoc support Mar 04 10:38:14 bindi: bluetooth should be less battery intensive, i believe :/ Mar 04 10:39:40 dnsmasq on N900 also a great thing ... my boss with SGSII was surprised to see my 'poor' N900 assigning IP addresses to devices :P Mar 04 10:40:57 yeah i'll give bluetooth PAN a go in a bit Mar 04 12:39:57 PAN is a virtual ethernet patch cable, while DUN is a virtual USB 3G dongle Mar 04 12:42:04 when using N900 for access to 3G via PCsuite mode, you frequently use the 3G USB dongle mode, though PCsuite also provides a ethernet-over-USB Mar 04 12:43:14 but stock kernel is missing the required ipfilter functions in kernel to do proper ip-forwarding and masquerading Mar 04 12:44:35 AIUI with powerkernel it should be no problem to share the network via USB-network (or PAN) Mar 04 12:46:48 first you set up PAN or USB network, then you simply do the command voodoo on N900 that's suggested for your PC under "sharing your PC internet to N900 via USB" in wiki Mar 04 13:45:53 hi Mar 04 13:46:01 ~seen pali Mar 04 13:46:04 pali is currently on #maemo (1h 53m 8s) #maemo-ssu (1h 53m 8s), last said: 'freemangordon, see ^^^^^'. Mar 04 13:47:57 hi Mar 04 13:50:28 so who exactly is it that you sent emails to @ nokia about source (i.e. which packages did you contact maintainers of?) Mar 04 13:54:38 jonwil, a lot of, now idea of number :D Mar 04 13:54:38 if you want know which all apps I can find it in email history Mar 04 13:54:52 that would be nice :P Mar 04 13:56:08 but only few people from nokia sent me responce, that they look for status of package but nobody (except that certman) send me source code :D Mar 04 13:57:02 yeah certman and the browser daemon stuff seem to be all we have gotten Mar 04 13:57:49 now I cannot start other app, because wine is shit and created 10^n empty files :-( on my hdd Mar 04 13:57:49 I started script: find . -name ".wine-refresh*" -print | xargs rm Mar 04 13:58:34 It's good practice to use -print0|xargs -0 Mar 04 13:58:58 if I wasnt still having problems, I would mail the connui-cellular maintainer, the icd-wlan maintainer and the hildon-input-method maintainer Mar 04 13:59:02 otherwise fun things happen when you have files named "...\n-rf /' Mar 04 13:59:10 rm * does not work (too many arguments) Mar 04 13:59:42 I got info that meego/harmattan profiled daemon (which is used for general/silent mode) is open source and interface has same as in fremantle Mar 04 14:00:26 SpeedEvil, only files .wine-refresh-xxx Mar 04 14:00:44 ah Mar 04 14:02:17 jonwil, fremantle profiled is closed, but both fremantle and harmattan support more profiles (not only general & silent) Mar 04 14:02:17 it would be nice to create more profiles in daemon and use it :-) Mar 04 14:06:24 according to the profile daemon meego source, the oldest change log entry says "Harmattan branch of profiled. Branched from Fremantle 0.0.17." Mar 04 14:06:32 PR1.3 version of profiled is 0.0.189 Mar 04 14:06:34 PR1.3 version of profiled is 0.0.18 Mar 04 14:06:58 then later it says "Import profiled fixes from Fremantle to Harmattan" Mar 04 14:07:08 so presumably that means importing the 0.0.18 changes Mar 04 14:09:06 jonwil, you can try to build version from git Mar 04 14:09:26 I got info that some files (like osso-backup scripts) is not present in harmattan version Mar 04 14:09:48 so must be copied from fremantle (but it is only shell scripts/text config files) Mar 04 14:11:00 MeeGo profiled source tree has osso-backup folder in its repo along with osso-rfs-scripts and osso-cud-scripts Mar 04 14:11:35 as well as debian packaging bits Mar 04 14:12:03 then ok Mar 04 14:12:14 if I wasnt busy with other things right now I would grab that git repo, make a package and compare with Fremantle profild Mar 04 14:12:17 and see what is different/missing Mar 04 14:12:50 but I am too busy :) Mar 04 14:13:26 3 days ago I sent mail to osso-backup developer about state of that package Mar 04 14:13:39 in copyright is GPL license Mar 04 14:13:49 but source code missing Mar 04 14:16:04 jonwil, yesterday my script found source code of osso-backup but only for maemo 3.2: Mar 04 14:16:06 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/source/ Mar 04 14:16:35 and it is really GPL Mar 04 14:17:28 Should be possible to take the encryption bits from that tree and see what happens when you feed a Fremantle encrypted backup through it Mar 04 14:18:11 encryption is only in zip I think Mar 04 14:18:35 no, encryption is not zip encryption Mar 04 14:18:42 its using AES on top of the zip file Mar 04 14:19:27 I know this because I tried to reverse engineer it a while back Mar 04 14:20:29 good job finding it though, it should be possible to make a tool to decrypt osso-backup files without a n900 to restore it with Mar 04 14:21:59 jonwil, ok then if you have time try it :-) Mar 04 14:22:11 if I get the time I will play with it some more Mar 04 14:22:39 grep saying this: #include Mar 04 14:22:47 yep Mar 04 14:22:54 AES_set_decrypt_key Mar 04 14:22:54 I know its using openssl, I knew that before Mar 04 14:23:19 so source code for that now we have :-) Mar 04 14:23:39 I should be able to run the old source files through Fremantle GCC and compare it to Fremantle osso-backup and see whats different Mar 04 14:23:53 for the couple of source files involved in decryption Mar 04 14:23:59 compare as in disassemble with IDA :) Mar 04 14:24:58 freemangordon, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer, see ^^^^ I think now we can decrypt n900 backup without n900 Mar 04 14:25:22 It will take some work but it looks like the code pali found is close to the N900 code Mar 04 14:25:29 the function names at least match what I remember seeing Mar 04 14:26:03 jonwil, maybe looking on repository.maemo.org we can find more closed packages :P Mar 04 14:26:19 maybe, please keep looking :) Mar 04 14:26:55 next I found diablo MCE source code (in rtcom repo, but I think you know that) Mar 04 14:27:16 and that is all, for what I search Mar 04 14:27:36 yeah I already seen diablo MCE code Mar 04 14:27:48 not that useful since on Diablo all the jucy stuff was in DSME Mar 04 14:28:00 and on Fremantle the moved the "secret" bits to MCE so they could open up DSME Mar 04 14:28:38 then on MeeGo they removed some of the good stuff (presumably because it was still secret or because MeeGo didn't need it or both) and released MCE code Mar 04 14:28:53 and Harmattan used the open MeeGo MCE code as a base Mar 04 14:32:17 Pali: (profiled) Mohammad and me looked into that some "years ago", and already found out that profiled does support arbitrary profiles, but the profile switcher plugin of statusmenu (iirc) was the roadblock to actually use this feature Mar 04 14:32:54 Still good that we found source code that is close enough to Fremantle code to be usable as a replacement Mar 04 14:33:04 or at least it should be, will do some checks and reverse engineering later to verify Mar 04 14:33:45 DocScrutinizer, ok, so we only needs to rewrite status menu, systemui and control panel applet :D just funny Mar 04 14:36:39 is maemo.org down for anyone else? Mar 04 14:36:41 jonwil, developer of fremantle profiled version wrote me that new harmattan is compatible and if I know some problems to use it I can write and he can help me Mar 04 14:36:53 ok Mar 04 14:37:05 well I still plan to check it just for fun :) Mar 04 14:37:08 when I get the chance Mar 04 14:37:30 jonwil: well, if we can augment profiled so it properly reacts to dbus msgs and sets/stores arbitrary profiles, we would have a nice thing to base on Mar 04 14:38:07 yeah Mar 04 14:38:25 as for the plugins, I am checking now to see just what we would need to replace for profile stuff Mar 04 14:39:15 I also would *love* to teach profiled to not only care about ringtone and volume and vib, but also for arbitrary other settings Mar 04 14:39:27 on a opt-in basis Mar 04 14:39:49 perfect candidate for the CSSU, improved profiled Mar 04 14:39:55 with config options to enable the extra settings Mar 04 14:40:02 and rewritten cpl and status bar gizmos Mar 04 14:40:26 and systemui menu Mar 04 14:40:41 I.E. if I set a marker bool in dbus msg for screen brightness, it will store screen brightness to the profile, and on restoring that profile will also set the screen brightness to that stored value Mar 04 14:41:00 systemui stuff is handled through /etc/systemui/systemui.xml Mar 04 14:41:29 jonwil, ok Mar 04 14:41:36 it contains 2 entries for powerup_mainmenu_silent and powerup_mainmenu_general Mar 04 14:41:52 so we dont need to clone systemui code, just augment the widget somehow Mar 04 14:41:55 I mean the XML Mar 04 14:41:59 to add whatever we want to add Mar 04 14:42:22 sounds good Mar 04 14:42:23 the XML entries call dbus com.nokia.profiled.set_profile Mar 04 14:42:59 we'd need some way to track all changes made since invocation of settings app, and then offer a checkmark box for each such change, when storing a profile Mar 04 14:43:33 store value of each checkmarked item to that profile Mar 04 14:43:59 also source code of time/clock daemon would be usefull - change code to use NTP server or ntpd or use time from GSP... Mar 04 14:44:18 I already sent mail to clock daemon devs Mar 04 14:44:31 umm, doesn't openntpd do that for you Mar 04 14:44:33 ? Mar 04 14:44:52 but why to have started 10 daemons? Mar 04 14:45:19 well, yeah. Not opposed to it, just saying we don't really need timed for that Mar 04 14:46:34 tbh openntpd also is sub-optimal for all mobile devices. It's just too busy keeping time up to date Mar 04 14:46:56 I bet clock stuff is closed because it contains bits to talk to cell tower for clock stuff Mar 04 14:47:10 so yeah for profiles, we need to replace maemo-applet-profiles (control panel) Mar 04 14:47:51 my suggestion been: include ntpd -q to ifup script Mar 04 14:48:04 and status-menu-applet-profiles (status bar widget) Mar 04 14:48:26 jonwil: exactly Mar 04 14:48:37 (profiles) Mar 04 14:48:42 wasnt there already a replacement out there for one of those? Mar 04 14:48:44 jonwil: probably (time) Mar 04 14:49:17 well, tweakr does something like that, but doesn't use profiled Mar 04 14:49:43 so yeah, there *is* a replacement and I'm using it since ages Mar 04 14:49:52 just it's kinda kinky Mar 04 14:50:10 aha http://maemo.org/packages/view/profilesx/ Mar 04 14:50:14 as it rewrites values of standard profile Mar 04 14:50:16 seems to be what I was thinking of Mar 04 14:50:32 and also http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-menu-applet-profiles Mar 04 14:50:46 so we have what should be usable baselines for replacements for all the profile stuff Mar 04 14:51:11 assuming the MeeGo profiled stuff really does match Fremantle profiled (which is on my todo-when-I-get-some-time list) Mar 04 14:51:14 recently I got pissed by that tweakr limited functionality and searched for better alternatives - there are alternatives but I haven't come to evaluate them Mar 04 14:51:35 currently looking for anyone who talks to profiled via dbus or libprofile0 for interests sake :) Mar 04 14:51:54 recently == last Thursday Mar 04 14:52:27 jonwil, you can try to compare symbols in libprofile*.so* in fremantle & harmattan version Mar 04 14:52:40 thats part of the plan Mar 04 14:52:44 Pali: \o/ Mar 04 14:52:54 :-D Mar 04 14:52:59 need to compile the MeeGo tree on my box Mar 04 14:53:01 and start there Mar 04 14:53:29 what meego are we actually talking about? HARM meego or TRUE meego? Mar 04 14:53:54 in this case we are talking about http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/profiled Mar 04 14:54:00 at least I am Mar 04 14:54:12 doesn't answer my question for me Mar 04 14:54:23 That code is what MeeGo is using Mar 04 14:54:31 what Harmattan is using I dont know Mar 04 14:54:33 I *guess* that'S true meego Mar 04 14:54:50 yeah, not HARM Mar 04 14:55:00 ok, mediaplayer is using profiled over dbus Mar 04 14:55:21 harmattan is using this: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/profiled/blobs/master/debian/changelog Mar 04 14:55:22 WTF is mohammad? Mar 04 14:55:55 so this is harmattan version of profiled Mar 04 14:56:07 profiled (0.30.1-1) harmattan; urgency=low Mar 04 14:56:11 I think there's been a note in MWKN, maybe it got a link to that convo back when Mar 04 14:56:19 well in any case that code seems close enough to Fremantle version to be something I can check Mar 04 14:56:35 as in its close enough that I can find out if there are differences we care about Mar 04 14:57:45 ok, only things talking to profiled are libprofile0, libqtsysteminfo, and mediaplayer Mar 04 14:57:55 plus sytsemui.xml Mar 04 14:57:57 systemui.xml Mar 04 14:58:15 users of libprofile are Mar 04 14:59:04 http://www.mwkn.net/2011/19/apps.html Mar 04 14:59:08 * jonwil waits for search to complete Mar 04 15:00:29 users of libprofile are Mar 04 15:00:32 camera-ui Mar 04 15:00:38 hildon-desktop Mar 04 15:00:44 hildon-welcome Mar 04 15:00:50 maemo-xinput-sounds Mar 04 15:00:53 modest Mar 04 15:01:00 rtcom-presence-ui Mar 04 15:01:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=998070#post998070 Mar 04 15:02:10 libcpprofiles.so Mar 04 15:02:20 libhildon-plugins-notify-sv.so Mar 04 15:02:29 libohm_profile.so Mar 04 15:02:40 librtcom-presense-ui.so Mar 04 15:02:45 nsv-decoder-service Mar 04 15:03:58 profiles_status_menu_item.so Mar 04 15:04:06 status-area-applet-battery.so Mar 04 15:04:14 and thats it Mar 04 15:04:23 in terms of stock filesystem anyway Mar 04 15:05:19 so I added 2 things to my todo list Mar 04 15:05:32 firstly is to see whats different between meego profiled tree and Fremantle profiled Mar 04 15:05:48 and secondly is to see if the osso-backup code we found is usable to decrypt Fremantle backups Mar 04 15:08:07 jonwil, what I forget to told you: My script found some PRIVATE GPG key in one source tarball on repository.maemo.org Mar 04 15:08:09 http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/bora/free/source/b/beta-virtuals_100.1-1.tar.gz Mar 04 15:08:24 it is really funny :D:D Mar 04 15:08:52 * jonwil wonders if that key is used for anything impoprtant Mar 04 15:09:16 maybe key for signing APT GPG? Mar 04 15:10:02 but did you ever see any private GPG key in some public package? Mar 04 15:10:03 no idea, only way to find out would be to see if the public key matches anything Mar 04 15:10:10 and no, that is clearly a mistake :) Mar 04 15:10:52 DocScrutinizer, any idea? ^^ Mar 04 15:10:59 maybe HARM's master key? X-P Mar 04 15:14:25 DocScrutinizer, you have also harmattan DVD with source code (I do not know where is my :D), is on that DVD anything special? Mar 04 15:14:36 usefull for fremantle? Mar 04 15:15:20 I bet there is nothing on that DVD that isnt in the harmattan repo Mar 04 15:15:36 i.e. http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/ Mar 04 15:15:36 jonwil, no Mar 04 15:15:49 source code of last kernel missing in harmattan repo Mar 04 15:15:59 ok Mar 04 15:23:50 someone should look for interesting things in harmattan repo or on this DVD :) Mar 04 15:32:21 see, the trick is to know all the places where useful-for-fremantle source may live :) Mar 04 15:46:15 umm, pali's gone? Mar 04 15:47:14 :) Mar 04 15:47:20 jonwil: (where src live) I think we got a wiki page listing all known locations Mar 04 15:47:49 anyway no I don't have that DVD, I only got that .iso you find on my server Mar 04 15:48:14 does said iso contain anything useful? Mar 04 15:48:29 sure, kernel sources for HARM Mar 04 15:48:35 ok Mar 04 15:48:38 I've never looked into it Mar 04 15:48:54 got a link so I can look for interesting stuff? :P Mar 04 15:49:00 I downloaded it from some other place directly to my server Mar 04 15:49:05 sure Mar 04 15:49:18 ok Mar 04 15:49:20 maemo.cloud-7.de Mar 04 15:50:12 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO Mar 04 15:52:27 City center looks like a freaking occupied zone Mar 04 16:07:13 going to pull all .dsc files from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/ and compare to those in that iso Mar 04 16:07:19 that will tell what is different Mar 04 16:19:18 hello Mar 04 17:40:37 how to make playlists on pc that works on n900? Mar 04 17:48:57 if you mean stock Media PPlayer, afaik answer is None Mar 04 17:49:03 -P Mar 04 17:49:20 Sicelo, will use Rockbox or Someplayer Mar 04 17:51:27 i guess those can use general m3u's Mar 04 17:51:35 If I got it right creating playlist on pc (using amarok, clementine, banshee etc) and just copy them the path is not correct Mar 04 17:52:07 wondering if there is an easy way to modify the path Mar 04 17:52:48 if i open a playlist on gedit is not straight-forward enough (for me atleast) Mar 04 17:53:16 sed Mar 04 17:53:57 or ed Mar 04 18:13:46 shanttu: for the stockp player you can actually do simple m3u lists Mar 04 18:15:53 merlin1991, hint, please? Mar 04 18:20:34 I'll pastebin you a sample Mar 04 18:23:35 m3u is plain text ;) Mar 04 18:23:50 merlin1991, thanks. Mar 04 18:24:40 Sicelo, i know but couldn't find logic to edit it. newbie Mar 04 18:25:58 playlists on N900 are based on tracker "pathes", not on real filesystem directory location Mar 04 18:26:19 DocScrutinizer: tracker imports m3u properly Mar 04 18:26:26 ooh it does? Mar 04 18:26:31 if the paths in it relative the m3u file fit Mar 04 18:26:38 *relative to* Mar 04 18:26:41 yoh Mar 04 18:26:46 quite possible Mar 04 18:27:10 they end up in the stock player under playlists importet lists Mar 04 18:27:23 mhm Mar 04 18:27:52 so how do you make MP aware of such a list? Mar 04 18:28:19 does it offer some *real* filesystem filepicker dialog or what? Mar 04 18:28:24 no Mar 04 18:28:30 if tracker found it it's avaiable in the ui Mar 04 18:28:41 ouch Mar 04 18:28:46 under which name? Mar 04 18:29:11 original filename minus the .m3u ending?= Mar 04 18:29:19 just checking Mar 04 18:29:48 or again some BS trackerd invented from looking at content? Mar 04 18:30:06 nope filename minus extension Mar 04 18:31:39 good Mar 04 18:32:37 shanttu: so just make sure your m3u list doesn't have any weird pathnames in front of the filname.mp3, then place the whole playlist into same dir as the mp3 files Mar 04 18:32:50 http://pastebin.com/WRZ7UyLT Mar 04 18:32:57 merlin1991: or will it need ./ header? Mar 04 18:33:07 and actually the files of the list are outside the directory somewhere else Mar 04 18:33:10 and it still works Mar 04 18:33:18 OMG Mar 04 18:33:54 my music taste or that it works with non relative paths? :D Mar 04 18:34:13 merlin1991, much appreciated Mar 04 18:35:02 the latter Mar 04 18:35:21 that it works with no paths at all Mar 04 18:35:37 sometimes tracker has good moments ;) Mar 04 18:35:39 which means you can't have same song twice in different album Mar 04 18:35:44 ofc Mar 04 18:35:50 there always is a downside Mar 04 18:36:20 die mafw&mediaplayer, DIE!! Mar 04 18:36:43 and tacke tracker with you Mar 04 18:36:56 take Mar 04 18:39:07 * DocScrutinizer suggests a `find /*/ -exec 'mv {} $(basename {} ;'` Mar 04 18:39:58 what for do we need or want *any* directories at all, when tracker does its best to eliminate all meaning from full pathname/dirnames Mar 04 18:40:18 i have script for creating playlist in mafw-playlists folder :) somebody need it? Mar 04 18:40:30 * DocScrutinizer feels like back to CPM2.2 Mar 04 18:40:48 C/PM? Mar 04 18:40:52 CP/M? Mar 04 18:41:10 meh, make that DOS1.2 Mar 04 18:41:37 at least we can have more than 8.3 X-P Mar 04 18:42:06 trackerd, the cool tool they turned into fool tool Mar 04 18:42:48 and now for a special gag: HARM is storing *everything* inside trackerdb Mar 04 18:42:54 W*T*F?! Mar 04 18:43:38 contacts? tracker. SMS? tracker. Mails? tracker. WHAT THE FUCK??! Mar 04 18:44:26 and the mafw framework isn't open anymore :/ Mar 04 18:44:31 prbably we should replace ext3 rootfs by a generic trackerdb partition, for HARM Mar 04 18:45:21 honestly when we store mails and contacts in trackerdb, then why not store /etc/* there as well? Mar 04 18:45:35 well we need *some* persitance ;) Mar 04 18:46:38 maybe replace kernel by trackerd, which in turn loads vmlinuz from its trackerdb into RAM Mar 04 18:47:29 MEH, my blood pressure suffers from deregulation Mar 04 18:47:55 feel the strange urge to hurt somebody severely Mar 04 18:48:21 but that's wrong channel for this sort of rant Mar 04 18:49:14 not that we hadn't enough of rant about tracker being spawn from hell in this very channel, so Nokia could've learnt for HARM Mar 04 18:49:36 but NOOOOOO way Mar 04 18:51:04 same stubborn clinging to obsolete proven fubar design principles like with platsec Mar 04 18:52:13 * DocScrutinizer goes watching a splatter movie to chill out Mar 04 19:17:47 ping freemangordon Mar 04 19:42:09 merlin1991, DocScrutinizer creating playlists is simple now. thanks again Mar 04 19:42:59 yw Mar 04 19:43:29 actually your question made me learn sth, that's the kind of questions we love to chew on Mar 04 19:53:43 freemangordon, see my post in thread about n900 720p videos Mar 04 23:14:35 hello Mar 04 23:15:09 question: anyone who used/using syncevolution for gmail address books? Mar 04 23:35:02 I once installed some experimental android on my N900 which installed some boot loader.. last time I reflashed it did not get rid of it Mar 04 23:35:20 if I flash the rootfs image, it is supposed to get rid of it, right? Mar 04 23:46:04 right Mar 04 23:46:18 ~multiboot Mar 04 23:46:19 multiboot is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/ Mar 04 23:46:33 wtf? Mar 04 23:46:41 ~factinfo multiboot Mar 04 23:46:41 multiboot -- last modified at Thu Feb 2 21:42:35 2012 by Estel_!~Estel@d35-11.icpnet.pl; it has been requested 12 times, last by Estel_ at Thu Feb 2 14:42:40 2012. Mar 04 23:47:28 ~maemo-multiboot Mar 04 23:47:28 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Mar 04 23:50:20 yep but I might as well reflash everything since my device is completely messed and drains the battery flat in no time Mar 04 23:57:20 oh and one more thing, I see warning about using 64bit windows for flashing.. is that a "in 1 of 1000 cases it will not work" or actually a no go? Mar 05 00:03:43 anyone for betatesting redak text editor on n900 ? Mar 05 00:22:14 Neutron_: it will or will not work, but that's no warning, just an info Mar 05 00:22:42 afaik it works when you got 32bit comaptibility libs installed Mar 05 00:24:07 rZr: I'd love to, but alas have no time for it right now Mar 05 00:35:54 DocScrutinizer51: take your time Mar 05 02:10:50 hi, i have several problems on my n900 running maemo with cssu Mar 05 02:11:28 my browser stopped working. other apps have access to the internet, but the build in browser wont do it anymore and refuses to load a simple html page from the web Mar 05 02:11:34 is this a known issue? Mar 05 02:11:46 microb or how its called Mar 05 02:13:17 another thing is that the german keyboard layout has gone, the keyboard s now us or something weird. ä is cursor up etc Mar 05 02:13:37 this happened since i installed and activated a debian changeroot image Mar 05 02:18:55 hte only hint i can find is to backup and reflash and restore the device, which is indeed a bad solution fo a linux system. i guess some files or prefs are corrupt for microb or so. but i dont know what to do to fix it and i guess reflashing is the worst choice here without knowing what causses the problem (its not a windows you must reinstall every time :))) Mar 05 02:23:49 anyone? Mar 05 02:25:38 btw, deleting ~/mozilla/microb doesnt help Mar 05 02:26:19 Sorry, dunno Mar 05 02:26:40 I'd recommend restoring to your latest BackupMenu image if you have one... Mar 05 02:30:09 robbiethe1st, i have ne, but its ages old Mar 05 02:30:26 i dont think i must reboot or reflash or restore a linux system that often..... Mar 05 02:30:57 i usually backup data using ssh , but not the whole system Mar 05 02:31:05 N900's emmc isn't all that stable, though, occasionally things get corrupted(for me anyway) Mar 05 02:31:07 i wonder what can go wrong using a browser Mar 05 02:31:15 ouch Mar 05 02:31:28 Try loading a local page Mar 05 02:31:45 also, try another browser, check if the network/dns is working Mar 05 02:32:04 network dns is working fine, all other apps dont have problem accessing the internet Mar 05 02:32:37 i found that a few days before after hacking my network, but it was not a network problem, its just the ..... browser Mar 05 02:32:49 Will it load a local page>? Mar 05 02:33:07 as in file:///home/user/MyDocs/.../something.html Mar 05 02:33:26 i thought of networkproblems, but its definitely not the network Mar 05 02:33:34 let me try, just rebooting .... Mar 05 02:35:30 grrr, it exits now with internal error..... oh how i love this useful errormsg Mar 05 02:37:14 no, doesnt load local pages Mar 05 02:37:59 this phone costs more time troubleshooting than using it... all was fine 3 days ago (again :-) Mar 05 02:38:12 i start hating it Mar 05 02:47:00 vizzy, that's why you were supposed to backup before installing CSSU Mar 05 02:49:24 browserd runs using rtcomm something... this is one of the things that was removed when installing cssu Mar 05 02:50:00 so, killall browserd just powers off the device, thats all very funny Mar 05 02:50:50 rtcomm is sms thingy, the sms conversationas is rendered by browser Mar 05 02:51:27 and why is it removed when switching to cssu? Mar 05 02:51:40 however, browser still worked after cssu Mar 05 02:52:05 and i didnt care. but now i cant call a simple local html page with microb Mar 05 02:52:40 Some of your other settings disappearing would lead me to suspect a problem with the emmc. I'd check whether output of "mount" and "df -h" looks normal. whether you have a separate /home partition mounted or not. Also check "cat /proc/swaps" to see if there's a swap partition activated Mar 05 02:52:41 can i reinstall microb anyhow? i will try everything but reflashing Mar 05 02:53:26 I'm not familiar with cssu, and I doubt rtcomm stuff is supposed to be removed Mar 05 02:53:29 mount shows a lot of virtual python mounts, and all other mounts looks fine Mar 05 02:54:01 browser consists of two parts anyway, "browserd" backend, and "browser" frontend, browser might start, and then crash if starting browserd fails. Mar 05 02:54:37 Ok, have to run, bbl Mar 05 02:54:42 how to reinstall microb? in the case some files are broken Mar 05 02:56:10 i could use another browser, but all links try to open with microb. and firefox and opera is not my first choice Mar 05 02:59:13 is there no way to debug microb? or browserd or however this thing is called? Mar 05 02:59:35 there must be a log or not? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 05 02:59:58 2012