**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 10 02:59:58 2012 Mar 10 04:24:27 Hmm - free 808s for qt Mar 10 04:25:20 808 Mar 10 04:25:24 ? Mar 10 04:26:27 The silly camera phone Mar 10 04:26:43 http://wl4.peer360.com/b/wrmdWMluDmda8usN9U26/mle.asp?hl=121193944&r=JGBFECC&CID=170240 Mar 10 04:29:16 ahh that crappy 41MP symbian phone Mar 10 04:32:57 It'd be rather cool with maemo Mar 10 04:33:19 it could have been worse by running mango or the like Mar 10 09:25:10 Hi ! Mar 10 09:25:20 hi Mar 10 09:26:29 My n900 won't charge when turned off, only works when already turned on. I changed both battery and charging cable to no result, any idea ? Mar 10 09:27:13 When off, it only shows a solid orange charging light, then try to boot in (bright white "nokia" screen), gives up and loop. Mar 10 09:27:36 let me guess, you're running kp? Mar 10 09:28:03 KP ? I don't even know what it is. I am running the stock OS, very happy with it, no reason to change Mar 10 09:28:38 kernel-power, and now i know why i have occasional issues booting up with the charging cable in Mar 10 09:29:00 I reflashed it a few months ago, with the latest release from Nokia (1.3 ?), and not using kernel-power no. Mar 10 09:30:08 hmm Mar 10 09:30:39 its been a long while since I last used standard nokia kernel on my N900 Mar 10 09:31:11 could it be with any programs that you are running be interfering with bme? Mar 10 09:31:25 Ulrask: are you sure it's actually not charging when off? Mar 10 09:31:32 as opposed to just not booting when charging Mar 10 09:31:32 stuff like advanced-power-daemon (even though that in theory shouldn't cause device to act like that) Mar 10 09:31:48 i mean, are you sure you can't flatten it, charge for a few hours, unplug, and boot? Mar 10 09:32:04 I think it's hardware related, when on, I can eventually twist the cable in a way that will charge the device, but when off I don't have any feedback on wether the device receive enough electricity or not, the orange LED lights up no matter what Mar 10 09:32:52 Yes BCMM, right now the battery is empty and I have no way to charge or boot it whatsoever, it's good as bricked, I can only make it work again thanks to the kind people at my nokia store who charge the battery externally for me Mar 10 09:32:55 "twist the cable in a way that will charge the device" - you have a dodgy microUSB port? Mar 10 09:33:06 yeah that for instance could be a sign that your microUSB port could be on its way out Mar 10 09:33:18 Ulrask: is the phone in warranty? where do you live? Mar 10 09:33:27 (like, which country) Mar 10 09:33:33 I suspect it's the microUSB port yes, but it may be the cable as well Mar 10 09:33:55 I am in Taiwan, but I don't think I have warranry, Nokia gave me the phone for free since I did the advertisement in France Mar 10 09:34:00 hinet looks like .tw (Taiwan), my old man who lives there has subscribed to them Mar 10 09:34:05 ahh I thought so Mar 10 09:34:34 well I'm sure you can buy replacement cables for N900 very easily, its not some sort of fancy cable Mar 10 09:34:45 as for dodgy microUSB port, that may need to be resoldered back on Mar 10 09:35:23 I tried a few other cable, neither work, but none of them looked good quality. I can't find any that look as sturdy as the one provided by Nokia Mar 10 09:35:57 psycho_oreos: my phone is off for its second warranty replacement right now, and when it comes back, i'm going to have to reinforce the port myself as the warranty is ending soon. how hard is it? i'm kind of terrified of just ruining it Mar 10 09:36:15 Any idea where I could get the USB port replaced ? Mar 10 09:36:21 I don't dare to do it myself either Mar 10 09:36:33 well, your task is harder than mine Mar 10 09:36:54 you probably need to electrically reconnect yours; i just need to physically reinforce my brand-new warranty replacement Mar 10 09:37:03 do you have any mates/friends which might have similar cables? I'd give those a try.. I saw a workmate/work collegue has a HTC phone but his charger is similar to that of iphone (with USB socket on the back), and he just hooks it up with USB to microUSB connector Mar 10 09:37:27 I used to have a GP2X, there were a few unofficial community-run online repair shop. A little bit expensive, but those guys sure knew what they were doing Mar 10 09:37:38 Is there anything similar for the n900 ? Mar 10 09:37:44 BCMM, I've never done any microUSB soldering work, and I have two N900 in need of that, both of them are mildly damaged (without closer inspections) Mar 10 09:37:55 ah ok Mar 10 09:38:18 what do you mean similar? software functionality? not really Mar 10 09:38:42 psycho_oreos: i think he means unofficial hardware repair shops Mar 10 09:38:45 ahh Mar 10 09:38:46 I dunno anyone with a n900. Looks like everyone got a iPhone those days :( Mar 10 09:38:59 i'm mainly worried about solder or epoxy getting inside the socket so I can't insert a cable anymore Mar 10 09:39:26 last year I visited Taiwan in search of buying N900, no luck getting it. I even had assistance from my old man Mar 10 09:40:04 Yeah, the guys at the Nokia shop looked like they never seen one before. I don;t even know if it was officially released here Mar 10 09:40:07 BCMM, imo those microUSB ports can be easily bought if you screw it up.. though I've read that you should never use epoxy unless you're planning to take the device underwater Mar 10 09:40:49 yeah, the consensus seemed to be to reinforce by soldering the body of the port to the board - just kind of scared of accidentally bridging something nearby Mar 10 09:40:55 it probably wasn't, I've visited some of the popular electronics shops in Taipei at the time, nobody stocked them Mar 10 09:41:18 i've never soldered a real production board of any sort before; just PCBs designed for hand-soldering projects Mar 10 09:41:24 I actually remember seing it once, in a huge Nokia shop in Kaohsiung Mar 10 09:41:46 yeah beyond that I don't have much clues about soldering really.. and speaking of which I have loads of projects which require soldering (and I have little to no knowledge of) Mar 10 09:41:52 also, if i break a port, then i've got to actually solder the new port on to the board electrically Mar 10 09:41:58 not just physically strengthen it Mar 10 09:42:31 Mine doesnt seem to be physically dislodged, doesnt move or anything, just got very difficult to charge that's it Mar 10 09:42:35 Ulrask, nokia stopped manufacturing N900 awhile ago, I don't think they were hugely popular in Asian countries.. I managed to source my second N900 in Hong Kong Mar 10 09:42:49 Ulrask: mine had to be twisted right before it failed entirely Mar 10 09:43:06 and without the right tools to deduct the potential issues, it could be either the cable or the port.. or even worse, both Mar 10 09:43:21 In your case, was it the cable or the port that failed BCMM ? Mar 10 09:43:32 well, it's probably the port. it's always the port on the n900 Mar 10 09:43:33 Ulrask: it was the port Mar 10 09:44:00 the n900's port is fragile, being only connected to the board by the four solder points it actually needs electronically Mar 10 09:44:02 Ulrask, there's a huge tmo (talk.maemo.org) thread about issues with the microUSB port on the N900 Mar 10 09:44:20 Is it me or the flat long microUSB is generally quite weak ? Mar 10 09:44:26 Ulrask: but the cable is very standard and it should be easy to find a replacement to confirm with Mar 10 09:44:33 nah its just a case with the N900 Mar 10 09:44:43 Compared to the other kind of MicroUSB, it looks very untrustworthy Mar 10 09:44:55 microUSB is actually supposed to withstand more insertions than USB Mar 10 09:45:12 i should correct what i said Mar 10 09:45:18 indeed, lots of smartphones these days are equipped with microUSB port, so to find someone else having a similar featured charging/data port plus the cable shouldn't be hard at all imo Mar 10 09:45:29 the n900s port is totally solid, even after it is no longer in the same room as the rest of hte n900. Mar 10 09:46:17 So the issue doesnt lie on the port itself, but on the connection with the motherboard ? Mar 10 09:46:33 if the microUSB port is weak for instance, no smartphone manufacturer would want to use them as they would have millions of complaints about it Mar 10 09:46:38 Ulrask: yeah. as i said, it's only held on by it's four soldered connectors Mar 10 09:47:08 Ulrask: whereas some similar stuff has two big pads at the side that aren't useful electrically, just to solder it down firmly Mar 10 09:47:09 In that case it should be only a matter of finding a small electronic repair shop run by someone not too dumb Mar 10 09:47:22 Ulrask: the n900 should take any microUSB-b plug Mar 10 09:47:30 At least I am in the right country for that Mar 10 09:47:43 and a spare microUSB component incase he screws up.. shouldn't be too hard in Taiwan I imagine.. especially in Taipei Mar 10 09:47:58 Ulrask: yeah, i wouldn't want to try to find a phone repair shop with a soldering iron in the UK :) Mar 10 09:48:30 Well, if I find a good place for that, you wanna give me your email so I can give you infos about the place later ? Mar 10 09:48:49 at least you guys have all things within close proximity.. where I live (Australia), all things are blown further away :/ Mar 10 09:48:49 Ulrask: if i wanted a new cable, i'd look online, and probalby end up buying from tiawan. i'm sure you can find one Mar 10 09:49:13 ah, but so much space in australia! Mar 10 09:49:22 Oh, in Taiwan as well, phone repair shop won't have anything of the sort. I think I'd have better luck looking at those TV repair shop or something Mar 10 09:49:41 In France, whenever I need my Amiga fixed, I always go to those old CRT repair shop Mar 10 09:49:45 Ulrask, you live in Taipei? there's a huge electronics mall called Nova there.. and there's another one which I'm trying to recall the name of but my memory is failing me Mar 10 09:50:23 BCMM, and one has to almost literally drive everywhere lol.. not to mention you can't easily dine out late at night (sigh I miss Taiwan..) Mar 10 09:50:38 You mean Guang Hua digital plaza ? It's where I have been already Mar 10 09:50:49 bah! that might have been it Mar 10 09:51:17 its the one where you had to pay to park your scooter there and outside is some fancy logo Mar 10 09:51:20 I guess it's the port though Mar 10 09:51:28 oh.. and there's a map outside the building Mar 10 09:51:36 Guang Hua moves basically every year Mar 10 09:51:48 Taipei is an always changing city Mar 10 09:52:05 you meant ever changing city :) Mar 10 09:52:30 Right now it's in a single huge building, just near to the ACER HQ Mar 10 09:52:38 Yeah sorry obviously I am not a native speaker Mar 10 09:52:54 at least one can still expect to buy things up late at night :D.. I remember seeing car yard where there's still people walking around and the light is on in the shops.. Mar 10 09:53:02 its ok :) Mar 10 09:53:10 Many things are 24/7 yeah Mar 10 09:53:16 Even restaurants Mar 10 09:53:29 yeah I don't know recall much about Guang Hwa, I do recall Nova is near Taipei stop Mar 10 09:53:35 err train station Mar 10 09:53:42 And you can usually have a very good meal for about 1 USD Mar 10 09:54:02 my old man (dad) and I had steak around midnight on the streets :D Mar 10 09:54:10 Yeah, 臺北車站, Guang Hua isnt far either, just 2 stop by metro Mar 10 09:54:45 ahh Mar 10 09:55:36 I don't think my dad took me via train there to Guang Hwa, but for Nova he did.. I rode on his scooter to Guang Hwa Mar 10 09:55:47 Getting a bit off-topic (maybe there is a more appropriate channel) but why the hell did you leave Taiwan ? You'd need to pay me dearly to ever leave this country now Mar 10 09:57:05 lol, family decision back then, parents wanted for me brother and I to live in a less polluted country and it turns out to be Australia. Though parents now split up and my dad is in Taiwan, I was born in Taiwan however ^_^ Mar 10 09:57:40 You are originally Chinese then ? Mar 10 09:57:50 err me brother and I, but yeah born in Taiwan.. so to me Taiwan is my motherland and Australia is my fatherland Mar 10 09:58:06 Taiwanese yup.. didn't go through compulsory military training though Mar 10 09:58:47 Come on, there is no such thing as Taiwanese (KMT trolling, don't take it too seriously) Mar 10 09:58:48 and my Chinese is poor :/ Mar 10 09:59:28 there is when one is patriotic :D I'm old fashioned in that sense and I support Taiwan's independence Mar 10 10:00:17 But not old fashioned enough to support that Taiwan should be part of Japan like the former president Mar 10 10:01:24 heh he was corrupted wasn't he? though that would be a little wrong to claim Taiwan is part of Japan.. though you could look at it from one retrospective view that could be one way for Taiwan to be freed from China's pressure Mar 10 10:02:52 Seriously speaking though, I don't like the independentist. Sure it's unfair that all the hard work and efforts of Taiwanese gets back to China. Sure in a perfect world Taiwan should stay independant. But claiming independance would be the best way to provoke China into attacking. What would a blood bath accomplish ? Mar 10 10:02:58 to me if Taiwan were to be part of China, imagine what would people think of Taiwn.. communist country.. and in Chinese.. one `loses' face Mar 10 10:03:21 Taiwan* Mar 10 10:03:52 you don't have to look far, North Korea.. where they censor everything.. same as China.. the great firewall Mar 10 10:03:58 Best way to me is to agree to PRC that eventually Taiwan gets backs to China, and make the process as slow as possible, hoping that there would be a revolution in China before the reunification occurs Mar 10 10:05:03 the last I heard U.S. would step in if China tries to take Taiwan by force, U.S. sees Taiwan as a vital trade hub in the south east Mar 10 10:05:28 Militarily speaking, Taiwan is weaker and weaker, US won't sell us weapons anymore, and mainland china invest more and more in their army Mar 10 10:05:40 An armed conflict is the last thing we'd want Mar 10 10:05:49 So better not to piss them off Mar 10 10:06:07 China seems to like taking things by force.. they were already happy they got Hong Kong back.. and Hong Kong people were generally non too pleased about being declared as Chinese citizens Mar 10 10:06:32 And I really have the feeling that since W Bush US gave up on us already Mar 10 10:06:59 Yeah poor HKese, I feel for them :( Mar 10 10:07:08 Taiwan is not only weak, but its really a small piece of land. If China wanted to declare war, they can drop a few nukes and they'll be no more Taiwan... but I'm sure by then it'll become nuclear war Mar 10 10:07:46 It's not their interest to destroy Taiwan, we are not a threat to them, they just want the land because we are rich, but undamaged Mar 10 10:08:05 I don't understand what is with China and their ever growing demand to take things by force, it just seems like with all the money they have, greed with power is what they see Mar 10 10:08:17 I don't know about that just yet Mar 10 10:08:25 It's just a remnant of the war Mar 10 10:08:39 It's really a matter or pride to them to utterly crush the Republic of China Mar 10 10:08:59 The same way Taiwan still claims ownership to the whole of mainland china Mar 10 10:09:13 -or+of Mar 10 10:09:34 to me, if lets say they did take Taiwan, I'm sure they'll attack South Korea and Japan next.. there's already wikipedia links noting how Chinese government deliberating noting in the school curriculum that the Korean castles were once Chinese castles Mar 10 10:09:56 Generally speaking, I don't think China is so militaristic and expansionist Mar 10 10:10:32 I'm not sure they gonna want anything more than Taiwan afterward. Maybe North Korea yeah, but not more than that Mar 10 10:11:11 I don't know.. but even if Taiwan becomes China, we'd (as Taiwan people) would be exploited by all these Chinese citizens claiming to be one of us as well.. and then there's this debacle with dual system Mar 10 10:11:18 I'd much rather be in a country that is "ennemy of China" than, say, "ennemy of USA". Mar 10 10:12:06 it won't be hard for them to talk deals with North Korea I bet.. but from what I can see, North Korea outside its capital is pretty much a wasteland, compared to South Korea whom is thriving and competing against other countries technologically Mar 10 10:12:53 I don't think there could be a dual system similar to HK in Taiwan, too much hate between PRC and ROC, they won't let ROC survive Mar 10 10:13:28 Since I am in Taiwan, I already noticed how little by little the ROC flags disappear from the streets, bus, official building... Mar 10 10:13:42 Like they are already preparing the end of ROC Mar 10 10:13:52 of course, they're trying to strangle ROC in many ways, but hopefully PRC needs to grow up and move on.. they've already got Hong Kong.. now they're trying to take other nearby nations.. what for? isn't one cake enough for them? Mar 10 10:14:54 I've heard that the older generations still uphold that ROC legacy, the newer generations (supposedly including people like me) wouldn't mind the PRC Mar 10 10:14:55 Last year was celebration of yeah 100 of ROC. It was kind of sad, there was a latent feeling that year 100 was the end of something, that they would never been such thing as year 200 Mar 10 10:15:05 am I blind or is there no python3 on maemo5? Mar 10 10:15:47 you meant year 2000? I wasn't in Taiwan at the time but I do remember there were really tight tensions Mar 10 10:15:58 Nop year 100, I mean 2011 Mar 10 10:16:03 ahh Mar 10 10:16:42 Year 1 was 1911, you know, when 中山 ousted Puyi out of the forbidden palace Mar 10 10:17:06 yeah, the coins were to note that :) Mar 10 10:17:48 years since the independence.. but I've only done grade 1 in Taiwan.. like I said, I pretty much grew up in Australia Mar 10 12:27:20 $ mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror Mar 10 12:27:27 hmm :/ Mar 10 12:27:29 sorry Mar 10 13:06:44 Pali: ping Mar 10 13:06:53 jonwil, pong Mar 10 13:07:12 Did you hear anything else from the Nokia people you emailed? Mar 10 13:07:22 no answer :-( Mar 10 13:07:37 ok :( Mar 10 13:08:00 I will sent emails again in monday Mar 10 13:08:13 Maybe there are people responsible for interesting packages that have yet to be emailed, maybe its worth trying them... Mar 10 13:14:22 what did you email about? Mar 10 14:28:17 * ShadowJK considers the .cn/.hk "brand new" n900 on ebay Mar 10 14:32:30 no archOS device found? Mar 10 14:44:58 got distracted from acquiring a tablet by my current n900 starting to die Mar 10 14:45:10 ShadowJK: buy another n900! Mar 10 14:45:25 Yes, but that's not a trivial process Mar 10 14:45:49 * ShadowJK was pondering archos more as an upgrade to his N800 and N810 Mar 10 14:46:06 ShadowJK: of course it is Mar 10 14:46:19 ebay.com, "boxed n900", paypal, waiting Mar 10 14:46:38 then if it arrives it might be dying too Mar 10 14:46:52 well, i meant "brand new" or something Mar 10 14:47:10 That's the: * ShadowJK considers the .cn/.hk "brand new" n900 on ebay Mar 10 14:47:16 i see Mar 10 14:47:26 how much? Mar 10 14:47:30 200 Mar 10 14:47:33 $? Mar 10 14:47:42 ya Mar 10 14:47:46 i mean Mar 10 14:47:47 USD? Mar 10 14:47:51 yes Mar 10 14:47:53 that's... not much at all Mar 10 14:48:11 it's like 4.50 €, isn't it Mar 10 14:48:45 152.6 Mar 10 14:49:20 if really brand new, it's cheap :) Mar 10 14:50:12 yes Mar 10 14:50:30 brand spanking new in the only shop here that still has it is $450 Mar 10 14:56:45 i have one for 190€ which is claimed brand new (it still has the plastic things on the screen and stuff) but the box has been opened to take a picture on ebay.it Mar 10 14:56:54 should i? :s Mar 10 14:58:21 follow your heart, lol :P Mar 10 14:58:34 i want to Mar 10 14:58:35 i really do Mar 10 14:58:44 but i should fix mine instead Mar 10 14:58:53 i don't know how, though Mar 10 14:59:07 what's up with yours? Mar 10 14:59:07 i should probably brick it so i have a moral excuse to buy another one Mar 10 14:59:57 broken USB port, swollen battery, crappy internal battery, and general sillyness Mar 10 15:00:01 well, if the one i just talked about was affordable, i'd buy it because i'm 100% sure it's the real deal Mar 10 15:00:19 every once in a while the vibrator gets stuck, for instance Mar 10 15:00:33 (high-pitched noise instead of vibration) Mar 10 15:00:35 hmm, if u can afford the new one, i'd say get it Mar 10 15:00:45 but what should i do with the old one? Mar 10 15:01:31 keep it Mar 10 15:01:57 but it's brok! D: Mar 10 15:01:59 the 'new' one won't be new forever - so your old one will provide spares :P Mar 10 15:02:00 i should probably sell it Mar 10 15:03:27 7well, up to you - personally i would buy a broken one with working TS, good ribbon cable, & such stuff Mar 10 15:04:25 i bet the usb port on the new one will break easily :( Mar 10 15:07:11 ~usb-fix Mar 10 15:07:11 well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Mar 10 15:07:26 if you're brave :) Mar 10 16:21:10 swollen battery? that's dangerous :) Mar 10 16:33:41 http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-to-focus-on-budget-handsets-1069912 Mar 10 16:37:01 the stuck vibrator thing happens under high I/O load for me Mar 10 16:37:23 has happened on all N900s I've had Mar 10 17:07:13 http://www.beta.facefox.com/index.php?do=/invite/ Mar 10 17:17:13 hi Mar 10 17:17:32 wondering whats the prefered way for tethering my laptop and my n900 Mar 10 17:18:05 bt pan connections "die" after some random amount of time and wifi ad-hoc seems to be not so reliable also Mar 10 17:18:08 any hints? Mar 10 17:33:25 ShadowJK: I'm fed up with it as well. let's share the money and risk to get first one, if it pans out we get a second and maybe third/4th one same way Mar 10 17:33:49 ShadowJK: (.hk) Mar 10 17:37:58 what does wlancond do? Mar 10 17:38:13 scanning for available networks? Mar 10 18:00:26 DocScrutinizer: what do you mean share Mar 10 18:17:15 ShadowJK: I meant we pay 1/2 each, of first device ordered there. When you receive the device and find it OK, we can do same with 2nd device, this time for me Mar 10 18:19:35 alas I think the 2nd one also should ship to your mailing addr, as the end result of the whole transaction might differ massively depending on shipping destination and customs regulations there Mar 10 18:20:14 then you'd need to forward it to me in a normal "birthday gift" package Mar 10 18:22:40 of course we can do other way round, and tell .hk to ship all devices to my addr, if that's what you'd prefer to do Mar 10 18:24:18 bernd339: yes, among other things wlancond probably does that scanning for APs Mar 10 18:24:59 got that, stoppping wlancond and my tethering survives Mar 10 18:34:31 What kind of policy does .de customs have? Mar 10 18:36:01 I'm not sure about it. I once had to pay VAT for the 3 PV GTA02 Taipei sent me Mar 10 18:36:44 Yeah techically I have to pay vat on items exceeding 45 euro or so Mar 10 18:36:54 yep, same here Mar 10 18:37:15 i think germany has lower vat though? Mar 10 18:37:22 19% Mar 10 18:38:04 4 pp less Mar 10 18:38:36 plus customs likes to guess arbitrary value of parcels, rather than taking the invoice for that Mar 10 18:38:36 hmm, there's no python3 on N900? Mar 10 18:39:12 inner EU seems to be free of VAT though Mar 10 18:39:34 I.E. VAT already payed at origin Mar 10 18:39:55 yes Mar 10 18:40:19 customs accepted printed out dealextreme.com invoice here Mar 10 18:43:34 so, whatever your plans regarding .hk N900 purchase, tell me and I'll contribute/cooperate, as I'm also pondering to get one from there Mar 10 18:44:24 Using my spare N900 right now, the screen protector on this one is so scratch free and smooth :o) Mar 10 18:44:55 I've been looking at .fi auction websites too, and put in a few bids Mar 10 18:49:47 ohhoho Mar 10 18:50:00 Hi Mr Santa Mar 10 18:50:01 heh I was lucky and my friend got some new phone and sold her old n900 for 50e :) Mar 10 18:50:05 you're a it late Mar 10 18:50:19 a bit* Mar 10 18:52:05 guys, gimme a ping when ur ordering hk n950 ;) Mar 10 18:52:21 to do what? Mar 10 18:52:55 of course we will report back when it panned out, if that'S what you're asking for Mar 10 18:53:14 errr, N950? Mar 10 18:53:16 LOL Mar 10 18:53:19 errr, yes ;) Mar 10 18:53:59 how much are you willing to pay for mine? Mar 10 18:54:27 321 Mar 10 18:54:35 krueger rand? Mar 10 18:54:41 deal Mar 10 18:55:02 krueger rand? Mar 10 18:55:20 ah, i c Mar 10 18:55:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krugerrand Mar 10 19:01:02 2 Rand: http://www.feingoldhandel.de/epages/15515330.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15515330/Products/12199994 Mar 10 19:01:46 ~ 321 * ( 347.01 / 2 ) Mar 10 19:01:46 55695.104999999996 Mar 10 19:04:09 yah, not gonna happen Mar 10 19:05:57 c'mon, you get shipping for free Mar 10 19:07:30 no warranty though, beyond rollback when DOA. For obvious reasons as I have to change my name after that deal Mar 10 19:08:52 lol Mar 10 19:30:42 hey, it's even still on Version: 1.2011.22-6_PR_RM680 Mar 10 19:31:34 means you still can decide whether you want to upgrade to more recent version, or rather keep that one which has some nice vulnerabilities to root aegis Mar 10 19:32:24 you mean you would really sell it DocScrutinizer? Mar 10 19:32:36 for 321 Rand? sure Mar 10 19:32:46 heh Mar 10 19:33:09 isn't that thing property of Nokia? Mar 10 19:33:27 * Sicelo doesn't understand the whole policy of developer devices Mar 10 19:33:32 err, yes. That's why I have to "die" after that deal ;-P Mar 10 19:39:56 Sicelo: The policy is rather well thought: you lend devices as a development or evaluation platform. Recipient isn't allowed to sell and doesn't need to pay and taxes etc as it's not a purchase Mar 10 19:40:48 s/and tax/any tax/. Mar 10 20:02:04 btw IIRC the develdev contract has no further special obligation regarding handling and care for device. Means when the 3 year old son of my GF "helps cleaning up my apartment" and the device vanished after that, I only pay the agreed on penalty to Nokia, and Nokia is free to deliver proof for damage they suffered on my fault, in which case I can get held responsible for that damage as well. Hard to prove any such damage though Mar 10 20:04:21 the damage *my* reputation is suffering in such a case is a completely different story Mar 10 20:24:27 Pali, ping Mar 10 20:46:12 DocScrutinizer: the document diddn't actually say you couldn't sell it. Just that 500e was payable if it was lost. Mar 10 20:46:24 At least as I recall. Mar 10 20:51:15 DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil Lumia 800 shipped Mar 10 20:51:23 MohammadAG: ? Mar 10 20:51:33 I expect a quick delivery since im not that excited about it Mar 10 20:51:46 SpeedEvil: The one you ordered in December Mar 10 20:51:53 Ah Mar 10 20:51:54 The launchpad thingy Mar 10 20:51:58 Right. Mar 10 20:52:08 It left Italy Mar 10 21:19:35 RST38h you around? Mar 10 22:46:57 So it begins, the clearance delay routine Mar 10 23:04:24 MohammadAG: Lumia? Mar 10 23:05:22 Hmm, does n900-Sociality still display notifications all proper on your phones? Mar 10 23:06:26 Stopped showing any some days or weeks ago for me. Wondering it it is something Facebook changed or if I need to do something. Mar 10 23:06:30 It doesnt, you need the manage_notifications token Mar 10 23:06:43 Aha! Mar 10 23:07:00 Facebook broke it, it's a one line code change in loginwindow.cpp Mar 11 00:02:21 hmm Mar 11 00:31:02 @javispedro, ping Mar 11 00:31:23 pong Hurrian Mar 11 00:32:06 just wanted to ask, how does the N950 slider feel like? Mar 11 00:32:57 does it give some resistance like the N900 or does it just slip? Mar 11 00:33:03 the first word that comes to mind is "fragile". other than that, it is kinda cool, but I never liked the angle Mar 11 00:33:27 nah, no resistance, it quickly snaps into one position or the other Mar 11 00:34:58 and the keyboard? Mar 11 00:35:11 The broken as shit text input makes the keyboard really pointless. :\ Mar 11 00:35:17 Plagued with race conditions. Mar 11 00:35:20 wat Mar 11 00:35:58 First two letters of a new sentence being capitalized Mar 11 00:36:03 or only the second letter Mar 11 00:36:19 Or first letters of the first two words of a sentence being capitalized. Mar 11 00:36:24 side note: i do not see the point of giving devs a dev device with hardware different from the release version Mar 11 00:36:42 Hurrian: They already had a stock of n950 that was otherwise going in the bin. Mar 11 00:36:45 Well, they probably had a bunch and needed somewhere to dump them since they weren't selling them. Mar 11 00:36:53 the rumors of it being a rejected consumer device are prolly true Mar 11 00:37:49 Hurrian: It's not rumors. Mar 11 00:37:51 also, I cannot enter tildes using the hw keyboard because unlike fremantle the chr palette does not show tildes Mar 11 00:38:14 Hurrian: You absolutely don't spend several million dollars to give a few thousand devs a unique phone. Mar 11 00:38:33 uhm nokia actually did Mar 11 00:38:45 dangergrrl: With the original intent of. Mar 11 00:38:54 Of course that's what happened. Mar 11 00:38:56 i don't know Mar 11 00:39:02 javispedro, does on the en_US layout. Mar 11 00:39:12 But back when the n950 was being designed - things looked a whole lot rosier for maemo. Mar 11 00:39:17 but the n950s must have been pricey Mar 11 00:39:24 Talk of 'the next billion' phones. Mar 11 00:39:30 they gave DocScrutinizer one Mar 11 00:39:41 * GeneralAntilles dies a little inside. Mar 11 00:39:44 and only made a few hundred Mar 11 00:39:52 ugh, wish i'd have applied for the dev program if i knew nokia was just handing them out Mar 11 00:40:00 GeneralAntilles: ah, fremantle was smart enough to detect I was using es_ES but with US layout and showed the tildes on the palette Mar 11 00:40:02 3 of the 5 people in this discussion got one. Mar 11 00:40:04 Hurrian: There were sharply limited numbers. Mar 11 00:40:12 he's a sweet guy to be sure Mar 11 00:40:31 because seriously, anything that would not require opened aegis can be done in qt creator Mar 11 00:40:43 but why the hell they did that i have no clue Mar 11 00:40:56 Gave DocScrutinizer a device? Mar 11 00:41:09 @speedevil, probably exactly one production run's worth Mar 11 00:41:09 Not familiar with him work, then? Mar 11 00:41:23 gave the loyal devs a prdouction device that cost them $$$$$ Mar 11 00:41:30 he is awesome Mar 11 00:41:40 i would give him toys too Mar 11 00:41:57 @dangergrrl, the toys were "first come first serve" Mar 11 00:42:03 but they only made hundreds Mar 11 00:42:42 so i think my next platform is the nook tablet Mar 11 00:42:51 one has to wonder why it was actually put into production of hundreds even if it was to be binned Mar 11 00:42:56 i will be homeless Mar 11 00:43:01 dangergrrl, they made thousands, not hundreds. Mar 11 00:43:15 Hurrian, the decision clearly came after the production run. Mar 11 00:43:18 how long were these in storage? Mar 11 00:43:28 maybe a week Mar 11 00:43:31 My sense is that the shift to WP7 was a pretty rapid change. Mar 11 00:43:51 that is what i understand too Mar 11 00:44:01 there were leaked n950s on the internet for MONTHS before nokia said "hey guise, we're unloading excess stock" Mar 11 00:44:03 and i know a guy who works at nokia in finland Mar 11 00:44:18 do you remember the prototype C0 with meego? Mar 11 00:44:23 from china? Mar 11 00:44:33 he told me our dreams would be crushed Mar 11 00:45:16 i think the best platform right now for handheld is barnes and noble nook hacked with CM Mar 11 00:45:35 sorry Mar 11 00:45:39 isnt the bootloader on new nooks locked? Mar 11 00:45:41 i love my n900 Mar 11 00:45:48 or was it the kindle? Mar 11 00:45:50 it was broken last month Mar 11 00:46:23 before the bootloader break the kindle was the better deal Mar 11 00:46:54 in ~1 year, maemo people would probably need a new phone Mar 11 00:46:59 i want an n9 Mar 11 00:47:08 most here have owned their phone for 2 years already Mar 11 00:47:11 don't think i don't Mar 11 00:47:23 but it costs like $1000 us Mar 11 00:47:38 and a nook tablet is $250 Mar 11 00:47:38 @dangergrrl, the N9 is only a marginal hw improvement over the N900 Mar 11 00:48:05 and its a piece of crap, the n9 Mar 11 00:48:06 it's a A9 dual core with only a little more ram Mar 11 00:48:06 it's not the quantum leap quad core omap device we've been waiting for Mar 11 00:48:48 the N9 is quite literally early 2011 hardware Mar 11 00:49:21 the n9 is crap agreeable Mar 11 00:49:32 but do you want a tablet or a phone Mar 11 00:49:50 only for maemo diehards "it's step 5!!!!!111!!!!" Mar 11 00:50:12 the NT with cyanogen is a nice step up Mar 11 00:50:13 what you should be asking is why didn't zehjotkah (on the picture) punch the other guy in the face http://t.co/m8Z3IbCF Mar 11 00:50:17 i want a phonblet Mar 11 00:50:43 you have one Mar 11 00:51:07 There is no best platform. Mar 11 00:51:16 get a nook tablet and use voip Mar 11 00:51:25 javispedro, because he's clearly got a better sense of irony than that. :P Mar 11 00:51:38 4.3-5 inches, Cortex A15 with SGX543MP gpu 2GB of ram and an embedded SATA SSD. one can only dream. Mar 11 00:51:39 Stupid FedEx Mar 11 00:51:43 "Incorrect address" Mar 11 00:51:44 My ass. Mar 11 00:52:03 i'd probably go bankrupt trying to convince a china factory to build them Mar 11 00:52:04 I wouldn't deliver to your ass. Mar 11 00:52:26 derf, clearly you should unionize. Mar 11 01:00:34 In the meanwhile, enjoy your resistive screens while you can Mar 11 01:00:40 capacitive sucks Mar 11 01:01:58 all those tricks to select text are laughable, even the harmattan one fails to me because uplifting the finger usually causes the cursor to move Mar 11 01:02:18 capacitive is great pita Mar 11 01:02:35 it's hard to use on laptop touchpad too Mar 11 01:02:41 "things happening" Mar 11 01:02:46 javispedro, amen. Mar 11 01:02:56 fsckng twitter URL again Mar 11 01:03:04 hm Mar 11 01:03:18 so n900 can't support sim toolkit? Mar 11 01:03:24 DocScrutinizer: alt text: a picture of zehjotkah and elop both smiling Mar 11 01:03:25 noway Mar 11 01:03:39 @ mwc Mar 11 01:03:40 javispedro: thanks Mar 11 01:03:47 e-flop Mar 11 01:03:54 Flop Mar 11 01:04:18 oops, an _ missing at the "E" Mar 11 01:04:24 ;-P Mar 11 01:05:00 i am wearing out the camera button on my n900 :( Mar 11 01:05:12 how come Mar 11 01:05:15 I can no longer get it to focus only Mar 11 01:05:15 I'll get you a new switch Mar 11 01:05:34 I think I've seen compatible ones at digikey Mar 11 01:05:38 I should pry it open some day Mar 11 01:05:38 javispedro: tried to press half way? Mar 11 01:05:40 :P Mar 11 01:05:57 ketas: had this thing for 2 years and a half already ;P Mar 11 01:06:29 you mean you can't ever focus with button anymore? Mar 11 01:06:40 haven't had that issue with my devices Mar 11 01:06:47 i don't have n900, though Mar 11 01:06:49 I can with luck, it's just that the pressure required for it to trigger anything is large Mar 11 01:07:07 that's basically the definition of a weared out button =) Mar 11 01:07:25 umm, but can you shoot normally? Mar 11 01:07:37 only the focusing function is broken? Mar 11 01:07:52 I can shoot, but it's surely to fail soon too. Mar 11 01:08:11 get a new switch, and a monkey to solder it Mar 11 01:08:13 haven't really heard that someone's phone's two-way camera button is broken Mar 11 01:08:28 n900 specific issue? Mar 11 01:08:41 i'm getting n900 soon Mar 11 01:08:42 ketas: I bet you haven't heard of a lot of things yet Mar 11 01:08:44 a used one Mar 11 01:08:48 I could believe this is normal usage Mar 11 01:08:56 that button has probably been pressed ~10000 times Mar 11 01:09:13 DocScrutinizer: you say that n900 is hw fail? Mar 11 01:09:17 which is ~ what it's specified for Mar 11 01:09:22 enough to be around the standard lifetime for cheap ones Mar 11 01:09:41 ketas: I say we probably know hw beter than you, if you haven't heard of such things yet Mar 11 01:10:09 maybe I should get a new front bezel, it's full of dents =) Mar 11 01:10:12 DocScrutinizer: you mean specifically n900 hardware? Mar 11 01:10:12 *too. Mar 11 01:10:16 DocScrutinizer: maybe yes Mar 11 01:10:17 no Mar 11 01:10:53 I mean I'm an experienced EE and thus probably heard of things you never get to hear in your life Mar 11 01:10:58 lol Mar 11 01:11:05 ^ understatement Mar 11 01:11:15 hah Mar 11 01:12:05 For some reason I remembered that when I was on the plan, the RCA double jack to stereo adaptor thingie they give you on delta decided to desintegrate Mar 11 01:12:06 DocScrutinizer: so you have heard many cases of phone camera button failures? Mar 11 01:12:13 s/plan/plane/ Mar 11 01:12:14 javispedro meant: For some reason I remembered that when I was on the plane, the RCA double jack to stereo adaptor thingie they give you on delta decided to desintegrate Mar 11 01:12:43 I've seen this sort of crappy button wear out way too often and way too fast Mar 11 01:12:49 hmm Mar 11 01:12:51 on all sorts of hw Mar 11 01:13:10 the plastic self-destroyed and all the jack pieces were in my hand, and of course the attendant had to come at that moment Mar 11 01:13:26 You evil man. Mar 11 01:13:29 fortunately, I guess they've seen that thing explode often, because I was starting to believe they'd take me for a terrorist Mar 11 01:13:32 Destroying poor 3.5mm adaptors. Mar 11 01:14:01 lol Mar 11 01:14:27 yeah, taking the plane apart, piece by piece! Mar 11 01:14:44 * GeneralAntilles slowly starves to death for want of a clear thing to eat for dinner. Mar 11 01:14:59 DocScrutinizer: however why would you say that i never get to hear such things in life? Mar 11 01:15:44 Because they're all in German. Mar 11 01:15:48 I thought of other things that you aren't very likely to hear about if you're not in industry as chief of HW dept or R&D Mar 11 01:16:51 true, i'm not exactly in hw r&d field Mar 11 01:17:00 like Seiko selling backup batery button cells that have a death rate of 95% during 12 months of usage Mar 11 01:17:30 Hahaha Mar 11 01:17:31 usual crap Mar 11 01:17:34 That's awesome. Mar 11 01:17:39 and literally everybody in mobile business used those cells like 2 years ago Mar 11 01:17:48 what WTF Mar 11 01:18:22 so n900 have them too? Mar 11 01:18:32 that's why N900 can't keep time of RTC when main bat removed, if it's a device in use since >12 months Mar 11 01:18:32 is that cell primary one? Mar 11 01:18:40 nope Mar 11 01:18:51 you can charge it then? Mar 11 01:18:52 LiIon Mg type Mar 11 01:18:55 oh well... Mar 11 01:19:25 ~bupbat Mar 11 01:19:27 foo Mar 11 01:19:30 hmm Mar 11 01:20:46 http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf Mar 11 01:20:51 sad Mar 11 01:21:08 use the capacitive alternative, it 'just works' Mar 11 01:21:37 i'm wondering if that's worth hassle to replace Mar 11 01:21:44 ugh, crap, my phone's focus bottom's wearing out too Mar 11 01:22:08 @docscrutinizer, would it be possible to just swap out the rtc bat for a capacitor? Mar 11 01:22:23 dont feel to good about having a flat bat inside my phone Mar 11 01:23:08 Hurrian: yep, see the pdf I linked above, the capacitor types are same footprint and drop-in compatible Mar 11 01:23:27 :O Mar 11 01:23:58 what do they use in nowadays devices? Mar 11 01:24:05 of course they don't offer months of standby, like a fresh LiIon type does Mar 11 01:24:11 grr any of you familiar with dpkg-deb --build? trying to recompile a deb file but even if I set TMPDIR && TMP variable to a place where it doesn't build in /tmp it still fails Mar 11 01:24:25 @doc - who'd do that though? Mar 11 01:24:32 some did Mar 11 01:24:39 even here in this chan Mar 11 01:24:39 if for months standby, i'd pull the bat out Mar 11 01:25:06 that one too? Mar 11 01:25:11 psycho_oreos: you mean rebuild as in repackage? Mar 11 01:25:12 Hurrian: you can't pull out that backup bat Mar 11 01:25:22 javispedro, yup Mar 11 01:25:39 ah fuck Mar 11 01:25:45 psycho_oreos: pastebin the output Mar 11 01:25:55 ok, how much have failed microusb socket? Mar 11 01:25:59 no, i meant that if i'd leave the phone off for months, i'd pull the main bat and expect rtc to be reset Mar 11 01:26:10 heard that was weak point too Mar 11 01:26:11 hah Mar 11 01:26:21 rtc resets on mine after 0.0001 seconds of main battery out Mar 11 01:26:41 but for quick sim/bat changeouts, i'd want a cap instead of a dead battery Mar 11 01:27:20 i'm wondering what is in my 5800 Mar 11 01:27:25 still seems to keep time Mar 11 01:30:14 @ketas, it's a very weak point on many units Mar 11 01:30:22 javispedro, https://crypty.ch/p/ad5JH7Xg#1ca0a8f40b01bdfc899354a91556cb06 Mar 11 01:32:11 ketas: probably primary cell Mar 11 01:32:32 they used to use LiIon primary some years ago Mar 11 01:32:53 often soldered to the flex cable that connects/forms the kbd Mar 11 01:33:30 and those were fine for years of standby Mar 11 01:34:12 actually my 6210 still holds RTC, even after years without mains battery, and that device got purchased 2000 Mar 11 01:34:28 that's only switched on when main battery is off, right? Mar 11 01:34:34 right Mar 11 01:35:35 hmm, will be fine then, considering i almost always have battery charged Mar 11 01:35:57 that it, i use it as my main phone Mar 11 01:36:08 s/it/is/ Mar 11 01:36:08 ketas meant: that is, i use it as my main phone Mar 11 01:36:26 s/.*// Mar 11 01:36:58 taking your words back is not that easy Mar 11 01:36:59 @ketas, i would advise that you have usb port soldered down asap Mar 11 01:37:49 well i'm only planning to get used n900 currently Mar 11 01:37:54 i'll see what happens Mar 11 01:38:05 if usb port works, solder it down and don't use it Mar 11 01:38:19 s/and/or/ Mar 11 01:38:22 hah, don't used it?! Mar 11 01:38:34 get a touchstone kit or something, then carve out the back of the phone's bl-5j Mar 11 01:38:58 Hurrian: eh? Mar 11 01:39:22 the guide to minimal use of the USB port aka super paranoid mode Mar 11 01:39:33 use it only for reflashing without backupmenu Mar 11 01:40:32 data transfers = do over wifi (slow) or use microsd card Mar 11 01:40:44 nah, i don't really twist cables around, i think it'll work Mar 11 01:40:57 just be careful Mar 11 01:41:10 also, who knows how old owner took care of that usb port. Mar 11 01:41:38 at the very least, get usb port soldered down at some phone repair store Mar 11 01:42:07 did you read the thread about preemptive fix? Mar 11 01:42:12 if it breaks Mar 11 01:42:29 it is a pita to fix if it breaks a certain way Mar 11 01:42:52 hmm Mar 11 01:42:57 if you're lucky, solder fractures and rips port off. solution: clean solder from board, buy new port Mar 11 01:43:01 breaks traces, eh? Mar 11 01:43:14 if solder pads break traces, thats a pita Mar 11 01:43:50 @DocScrutinizer, what's the better way to fix it - solder closer to usb controller or use test pads? Mar 11 01:44:42 in my 2 year and a half old n900 I have had no single problem with the usb port Mar 11 01:45:12 same here, with 2 devices Mar 11 01:45:12 and I use it heavily (how you think the ~10000 pictures were downloaded from it :D ) Mar 11 01:46:05 hm hm hm... you suggest to fix it before it breaks? Mar 11 01:48:41 YES! Mar 11 01:49:05 @javispedro, you may be lucky then Mar 11 01:49:58 i have had to fix 3 N900s with botched usb ports that i bought second-hand Mar 11 01:50:12 oh well... Mar 11 01:50:28 as in, they only charge, couldnt reflash because data lines were wobbly Mar 11 01:50:39 hah, suggestion to file down microusb plug hooks Mar 11 01:51:23 it actually helps a lot Mar 11 01:51:40 have you tried pulling a usb cable with a hook? Mar 11 01:51:50 it gives 5x the resistance Mar 11 01:52:09 pushing it in is another story Mar 11 01:52:25 it's fairly hard to line up a cable perfectly into the usb port Mar 11 01:54:02 yea, it snaps fairly hard Mar 11 01:55:53 looking pictures, so usb port isn't really supported besides from connecting pins? Mar 11 02:01:24 nonsense, there are like 6 mech support posts Mar 11 02:01:58 get the plain PCB footprint at my N900-gallery Mar 11 02:02:17 you see the pads for mech support Mar 11 02:03:43 but on a number of devices it seems they did a poor job on keeping the receptacle component flush to PCB when soldering it down, so mech support may be poorly or even partially soldered Mar 11 02:04:08 hmm, worth to check? Mar 11 02:04:15 when i receive it Mar 11 02:06:24 is there way to determine faulty batch from manufacturing date or is it random? Mar 11 02:06:38 definitely worh to check if USB works, yes Mar 11 02:07:07 otherwise, when you disassemble it anyway to check soldering, you as well can do ~usbfix Mar 11 02:07:39 which is first and foremost about reinforcing USB *before* it breaks Mar 11 02:08:29 like http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22215&d=1313848308 ? Mar 11 02:08:30 I dunno of any other way to determine whether device might have a wacky USB, than just inspecting it Mar 11 02:08:51 yes, exactly that one Mar 11 02:09:09 most n900s are 2101 revision, so no Mar 11 02:10:00 hmm, sad... so suggestion is to disassemble it for checking, before it breaks off with pcb traces (worst way possible) Mar 11 02:10:07 ? Mar 11 02:11:01 yes Mar 11 02:11:29 actually, you can use the stylus to check for wobbliness Mar 11 02:11:59 in any case, solder it down Mar 11 02:13:13 however the owner says that phone is still covered with 2 months worth of warranty... although i don't think warranty helps me with still working device Mar 11 02:13:36 maybe i should lie about usb problems?! :P Mar 11 02:14:05 claiming it on warranty... bad idea Mar 11 02:14:43 for starters it'll be one good way to rid your N900 and be offered some piece of crap symbian powered device (or two) Mar 11 02:15:54 hmm Mar 11 02:16:41 I simply think you're overlooking at a simple issue that most N900 faces. There's countless of other issues that N900 has when it was in the hands of the previous owner Mar 11 02:16:45 you mean they rather replace it with something else? Mar 11 02:17:21 if the threads on tmo doesn't tell you enough what people have subjected their lovely little (well it was lovely) N900 to, then I don't know what will Mar 11 02:17:24 ketas, do you think nokia still has tons of rx-51 boards? Mar 11 02:17:31 no they will replace it Mar 11 02:17:42 well i'm aware of issues complex electronic device might be have if used by whoever Mar 11 02:17:51 let's hope it will work Mar 11 02:18:09 issues facing 2nd hand n900s: Mar 11 02:18:17 when you test the device and it's starting to break, get it soldered, its not hard Mar 11 02:18:27 err that microUSB port Mar 11 02:18:55 wobbly usb, broken emmc, loose slider, shattered back cover, missing stylus Mar 11 02:19:09 hmm Mar 11 02:19:58 i'm going to examine it before i buy Mar 11 02:20:11 from pictures it seems like it's good condition Mar 11 02:20:15 its hard to describe how n900 slider is supposed to feel though Mar 11 02:20:31 overclocked (excessively) N900, issues with MMC, coffee (or other liquids) spilt/dipped Mar 11 02:20:33 like 5800? Mar 11 02:20:36 it should be one smooth motion with slight resistance, then it clicks into place Mar 11 02:21:05 then pushing the slider down, its slightly harder than opening it Mar 11 02:21:07 oops Mar 11 02:21:17 oh that thing Mar 11 02:21:26 @psycho_oreos, has there ever been a confirmed case of CPU blowout? Mar 11 02:21:36 you mean sliding of the keyboard? Mar 11 02:22:19 Hurrian, no because people are usually hush hush about the little stupidity things they do with the poor device that would otherwise benefit from proper cooling Mar 11 02:22:41 i have played with n900 before, not sure if i remember how it felt Mar 11 02:23:38 @psycho_oreos, i am fairly certain that i saw one tmo member's oc profile being 1000-1150. Mar 11 02:23:49 its kinda like this: "hey so I have a problem with my N900, my wlan/bt/cell no longer works", "what does dmesg say?", "", "hmm that's unusual, have you subjected the device with liquids before?", "yes previously but I managed to wipe the stains off", "..." Mar 11 02:23:56 in other news, i broke topmost layer of display in my 5800 Mar 11 02:24:18 Hurrian, I'd love to see how long would his N900 last in that state.. without any extra cooling Mar 11 02:24:46 never mind the fact that at OPP voltage level 60, that shit's crazy hot Mar 11 02:24:49 burst in flames Mar 11 02:25:41 btw, reminds me that most useless app i've found for a phone is palm heater Mar 11 02:25:44 oh ketas, btw, make sure that your sim card fits in nice and tight Mar 11 02:25:47 just turns everything on Mar 11 02:26:14 @ketas, the N900 on stock clock with wifi on and heavy browsing does that just fine Mar 11 02:26:30 good to hear Mar 11 02:26:36 :) Mar 11 02:26:41 there are other minor issues with second hand N900, such as battery is a bit loose or that the device bootloops when you first got it Mar 11 02:27:37 @psycho_oreos - battery loose? wtf? Mar 11 02:28:18 well from pictures, owner seems to have taken care of it... what i don't like is way he wrapped charger cable tightly around the charger Mar 11 02:28:26 i'll see how it feels in hand Mar 11 02:28:32 personally, I wouldn't buy N900 off internet or off remote places. The thing is that it would be far ideal for you to examine and then criticise the owner for any flaws.. especially liquid spills, if the device has been subjected to liquid of any form, consider expensive/costly issues in the long run Mar 11 02:28:54 you're much better off getting a common charger plus a CA-101 filed down Mar 11 02:29:16 the AC-10/U that comes with it sucks Mar 11 02:29:49 Hurrian, yeah the gold/bronze pins on the underside of BL-5J don't clip on well with the post on the N900, when for instance without the battery cover on the N900 and one holds the N900 in the usual obverse way, the battery either starts to hang out or completely falls off Mar 11 02:30:11 and regarding liquid spills, do not get anything under the slide. Mar 11 02:30:21 that portion is not covered Mar 11 02:30:22 this is local auction site, owner even wants to meet in person to assure good working order of device Mar 11 02:30:30 not even on the keymat Mar 11 02:30:43 well that's an added bonus Mar 11 02:31:02 @psycho_oreos, there's still the kb matrix clicky thing protecting the board Mar 11 02:31:33 Hurrian, yeah but that maybe is only for minor spills, not major ones like submerging for instance :) Mar 11 02:31:41 it is a pita to replace yourself though Mar 11 02:31:48 jeebus, the phone is full of holes Mar 11 02:31:53 y u do dat Mar 11 02:32:18 loudspeaker, giant hole for slider cage base, stylus, test pad holes, usb Mar 11 02:32:22 my phone, it's full of holes!!! Mar 11 02:32:42 my nokia n900 is full of eels Mar 11 02:33:02 @psycho_oreos, how do you get the dust out of the back btw? Mar 11 02:34:09 nah some people just don't appreciate how vulnerable electronics are, even to the point when they become handhelds.. they almost always have this rather strange belief that mobiles can withstand certain amounts of damages before it completely gives up. Even worse is the fact that N900 bearing Nokia branding, people have had issues with nokia phones by either excessively dropping the device onto hard surface and/or putting the device in for a wash.. Mar 11 02:34:09 Sure enough with proper reassembly/drying one can get their device working again Mar 11 02:34:35 bah he's gone Mar 11 02:37:27 hmm, washing n900 Mar 11 02:37:33 anyone managed to do it? Mar 11 02:38:41 you may find some on tmo Mar 11 02:39:30 I can't imagine washing N900 would be that interesting.. I'd rather see the owner washing themselves inside a washing machine instead Mar 11 02:40:45 hmm Mar 11 02:41:02 i would want human washing machine Mar 11 02:41:14 ketas: err - why? Mar 11 02:41:23 they made one for dogs already Mar 11 02:41:47 I believe it's called a shower. Mar 11 02:42:22 maybe the washing machine will help me washing more frequently Mar 11 02:42:24 I've actually considered a device with a pressure-washer on 'mist' - and a really high velocity fan. Mar 11 02:42:28 :P Mar 11 02:43:01 or a bath.. but no, neither shower nor bath would be equivalent to being inside a washing machine.. you get fully submerged and being spun around several times Mar 11 02:43:16 ouch Mar 11 02:43:58 i'd get dizzy Mar 11 02:44:25 imagine what would your poor N900 be when it goes through the washing machine Mar 11 02:44:47 i can feel pain of it Mar 11 02:45:46 now, there are actually some phones available that are rated for submersion Mar 11 02:46:09 i'm wondering how true it is Mar 11 02:46:10 one could probably drown inside a human sized washing machine.. try holding your breath for maybe 10-20 minutes whilst being spun around vigorously.. and that being repeated at least 5 times within 1 hour wash Mar 11 02:46:39 well, no need to spin body around Mar 11 02:46:48 really Mar 11 02:47:01 .. that's what washing machines do :p Mar 11 02:47:10 well for clothes, yes Mar 11 02:47:34 no I'm saying this is what would usually happen if N900 happens to go through the wash Mar 11 02:47:34 i think i opt for shower instead Mar 11 02:50:07 the bottom line is that you should treat N900 with utmost respect. There aren't many N900 (that are working well) left in this world especially with the idiots putting their N900 in all sorts of different situations and then finding out their N900 is broken. Mar 11 02:50:30 negligence is not an option.. its also essentially your money going down the drain Mar 11 02:52:50 rare n900 Mar 11 02:53:13 what about n9? :) Mar 11 02:53:28 it's currently sold Mar 11 02:54:03 not for long Mar 11 02:55:17 sad that nokia chose windows Mar 11 02:55:20 :( Mar 11 02:56:40 in either case, should you acquire N900, I sincerely hope you would treat the device with respect. They are fairly rare already as it is when you factor out all those broken N900 that some dodgy seller is trying to reimburse their losses on Mar 11 02:57:55 I mean the ones that tries to sell their broken N900 identically to the same price as those who sell their fully functioning N900 as and declaring their N900 is free of defects Mar 11 02:58:27 should i put it on silk pillow? Mar 11 02:59:48 what's the reasonable price of n900? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 11 02:59:58 2012