**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 02:59:58 2012
Mar 14 05:31:40 <psychologe> i  compiled and make install Nmap 5.61TEST5 on my N900,,but it is't work.    nmap --iflist ,output:INTERFACES: NONE FOUND(!) ,ROUTES: NONE FOUND(!)
Mar 14 07:50:48 <ketas> hmm, 0xffff works fine with n900?
Mar 14 07:53:41 <psycho_oreos> in what way?
Mar 14 08:04:20 <szop|zzz> Hurrian: 100mb? ouch... can get around 110 optifying fresh flash, and compression should do the rest
Mar 14 08:05:25 <szop> Hurrian: then again we will be overwriting, so some extra space from old modules, should be doable
Mar 14 08:11:55 <Hurrian> szop: uhh, turns out i left kernel debugging ON
Mar 14 08:11:59 <Hurrian> if i turn it OFF
Mar 14 08:12:05 <Hurrian> i can't see jack shit booting maemo
Mar 14 08:12:21 <Hurrian> actually, it hangs starting sgx
Mar 14 08:12:38 <Hurrian> garbled display, and it never actually loads any modules
Mar 14 08:14:12 <szop> :/
Mar 14 08:23:35 <ketas> psycho_oreos: that was question
Mar 14 08:23:44 <ketas> psycho_oreos: if it works fine now
Mar 14 08:24:54 <psycho_oreos> ketas, I have not used it for flashing however I do recall PaulFertser pointed me out a newer (git based) of 0xFFFF which should work with N900. I have not tested it out and I cannot recall what PaulFertser said specifically about that git version
Mar 14 08:26:04 <psycho_oreos> the last time I used 0xFFFF was to only extract img files off myriads of images and the results were ugly. I later realised if I used the standard nokia flasher tool to extract those img files, it does the extraction more cleanly (without question marks or some weird characters in filenames)
Mar 14 08:40:13 <szopin_> Hurrian: maybe try with sgx from 12.04? 
Mar 14 08:43:20 <Lykkepillen> So I'm looking at the overclocking page http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking and have decided to overclock my N900 - When i look at the AppManager, it seems that Titan don't want his kernel out there anymore.. Is thi because theres an issue with it?
Mar 14 08:44:38 <psycho_oreos> titan stopped maintaining it, pali is the new maintainer for power-kernel (he also maintains a few other projects as well)
Mar 14 08:45:13 <Lykkepillen> Then how do i download palis kernel?
Mar 14 08:46:24 <psycho_oreos> he probably lost interest in tinkering with N900 altogether, pali prior to acquiring maintainership from titan tried desperately to get a hold of titan via email but titan never responded and it later somewhat became an unanimous decision to elect pali as the new maintainer with or without titan's consent
Mar 14 08:46:38 <psycho_oreos> its available in the usual repositories
Mar 14 08:47:43 <Lykkepillen> So should i use Palis or Titans version? My N900 is really old so i don't think it needs a lot of new stuff (unless It's all software based ofc)
Mar 14 08:48:42 <psycho_oreos> pali would be the heavily recommended version.. I don't think you can obtain titan's version anymore unless you specifically imply that you wanted titan's version
Mar 14 08:55:13 <Lykkepillen> I just still only see the "Enchanced Linux kernel for power users (obsolete)" -Please REMOVE this package.
Mar 14 08:57:27 <psycho_oreos> probably the proper one is further down the list.. I don't know I only install it through command line (more advanced) and if needed be use FAM to do necessary updates
Mar 14 08:59:52 <Lykkepillen> apt-get [What]?
Mar 14 09:00:30 <Lykkepillen> And Palis version just called Enchanced Linux kernel as well?
Mar 14 09:01:08 <psycho_oreos> pretty certain the last time I checked
Mar 14 09:01:42 <Lykkepillen> Okay here we go - Linux kernel for power user & Linux kernel for power user (setting and overclock)
Mar 14 09:07:19 <lartza_> I'm wondering if there'll be cssu updates to telepathy-*, specifically -gabble. I'd like to make calls between empathy, n900 & n9 through my own ejabberd
Mar 14 09:08:24 <pigeon> what is the process on the n900 that monitors Xorg and reboot if Xorg dies?
Mar 14 09:08:26 <lartza_> this might be related https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387
Mar 14 09:08:27 <povbot> 04Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls
Mar 14 09:08:59 <StyXman> svn update
Mar 14 09:09:02 <StyXman> err...
Mar 14 09:09:24 <StyXman> this double monitor thing< i can't get used to it :)
Mar 14 09:12:09 <Hurrian> hmm, how long has titan been MIA?
Mar 14 09:12:21 <Hurrian> power46 was quite some time ago
Mar 14 09:20:32 <pigeon> would it be mce?
Mar 14 09:26:01 <pigeon> hmm seems not
Mar 14 09:30:36 <pigeon> ah, found, perhaps it's the -r in dsmetool
Mar 14 09:54:01 <Lykkepillen> psycho_oreos You got a page of commands somewhere?
Mar 14 09:54:20 <veer> hello
Mar 14 09:54:45 <veer> koi h
Mar 14 10:03:53 <Lykkepillen> psycho_oreos Okay i found it myself. Is your device OC? And should i try some undervolting or is that just a waste?
Mar 14 10:06:36 <ketas> psycho_oreos: sad, why nokia just didn't make flasher open too
Mar 14 10:11:54 <Lykkepillen> Anything wrong with setting the min and max MHz values to 125 - 850?
Mar 14 10:14:47 <ketas> i'm just reading about why min freq setting is bad :)
Mar 14 10:15:06 <psycho_oreos> Lykkepillen, no mine is never overclocked. I'm sure you know the reason why I don't overclock (on these particular devices)
Mar 14 10:16:21 <psycho_oreos> ketas, that's nokia for you, they're paranoid about their ideas being copied/manipulated in the way that it would work against them. Or really just to prevent us from brewing our own images like android ROMs for instance
Mar 14 10:17:11 <Lykkepillen> sycho_oreos Yea i get it if you regularly use the device, but i just want som fun with it before it dies :) - ketas You find anything? The default setting is 125 - 600 but when i set it to 'ideal' it goes to 500 - 850.. It seems like It's just a waste to keep it at 500 when it can be as low as 125?
Mar 14 10:17:42 <psycho_oreos> s/never overclocked/abides the typical frequency settings/
Mar 14 10:18:17 <ketas> doh, making technology so closed that it defeats the main reason of it's existence!
Mar 14 10:18:55 <psycho_oreos> Lykkepillen, there's probably users with overclocked devices, again I'm going to point out that overclocking further may most likely shorten your device's life sporadically compared to leaving how it is with the way things are\
Mar 14 10:19:47 <psycho_oreos> ketas, unfortunately, greed exists in humans. Otherwise we'd all be living in utopia where we would probably be far more technologically advanced than where we are right now
Mar 14 10:20:16 <psycho_oreos> err probably everyday users with overclocked devices*
Mar 14 10:21:29 <Lykkepillen> Yea i get that but i don't care that much for my N900 anymore, I haven't been using it for over a year so.. I just want it to prove what It's worth without breaking it the first week at least
Mar 14 10:22:15 <ketas> you want to deliberately harm poor little n900
Mar 14 10:22:28 <ketas> :(
Mar 14 10:22:53 <Lykkepillen> I just wanna have some fun? :/
Mar 14 10:23:13 <ketas> give it a hug instead
Mar 14 10:23:59 <Lykkepillen> Then my Galaxy S2 might get jealous
Mar 14 10:24:04 <psycho_oreos> unfortunately I don't know what would be the best settings and thankfully I won't be assisting you any further into overclocking your device to end its life quickly. Theres myriads of other functions within N900 that you can use without having to further reduce its already reduced life yet you chose to end it quickly\
Mar 14 10:25:27 <Lykkepillen> Dont worry i don't directly harm it - I just want the option to overclock it if i need it at some point - I wont be loading the overclock setting by default :)
Mar 14 10:26:49 * psycho_oreos shakes head in dismay and continues watching anime whilst checking to see how his N900 is going
Mar 14 10:27:17 <ketas> Lykkepillen: i can feel it's pain
Mar 14 10:27:44 <Lykkepillen> You guys make me feel bad about it..
Mar 14 10:29:58 <ketas> http://cdn.theunlockr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/N900-1700mhz.jpg
Mar 14 10:31:31 <psycho_oreos> if you haven't explored the full capabilities of a linux distro sitting on top of a handheld hardware that has cellular capability, that has wlan/bt/fm_transreceiver/gps/accelerometer/light_sensor/LED_customisation capability, that has loads of storage space (plus the option to further expand its internal space), then you truly would never understand that its hard to put down a N900.. Hopefully someday you'll find something interesting but it appea
Mar 14 10:31:31 <psycho_oreos> rs to work only for N900 and then you'll realise your own pitfalls
Mar 14 10:31:47 <ketas> ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=605523&postcount=90 )
Mar 14 10:31:49 <psycho_oreos> and android doesn't count here fyi
Mar 14 10:32:53 <ketas> anyone has n950? :)
Mar 14 10:33:23 <ketas> btw
Mar 14 10:33:55 <ketas> since i looked up specifications for n900, i've always worried about that flash swap
Mar 14 10:34:02 <pigeon> hmm, tried changing the dsmetool -r into a -t, but it's still resetting the n900 when xorg dies.
Mar 14 10:34:53 <ketas> maybe that should be moved out to replaceable media?!
Mar 14 10:39:09 <Lykkepillen> I actually bought my N900 because of the keyboard and the FM transmitter, but when i got tired of the keyboard i kinda lost interest in the thing.. I'm not a Linux guy (servers excluded) so i guess I'm not the idea user for the N900 at all
Mar 14 10:39:42 <bazik> heya, i've read somewhere that it's possible to disable the 'themeing' for certain applications (e.g. wireshark), so that they appear in their original gui... but i didnt bookmark that guide, anyone got a hint? (n900)
Mar 14 10:39:59 <Lykkepillen> -Now i just want to have some fun with it since it has no SIM card and no really purpose. So I'm open for ideas if you guys got any beside overclocking it
Mar 14 10:46:38 <ketas> bazik: what's "original" gui`
Mar 14 10:46:41 <ketas> bazik: ?
Mar 14 10:47:09 <ketas> Lykkepillen: you can sell it
Mar 14 10:47:38 <ketas> Lykkepillen: it's interesting small device really, as psycho_oreos said
Mar 14 10:48:45 <FluxiFlax2023> finally got rid of that piece of overprice shit called N900..WTF..FUCK YOU ALL MOTHERFUCKERS if you like MAEMO and it's crappy apps
Mar 14 10:48:56 <ketas> Lykkepillen: what
Mar 14 10:48:57 <bazik> ketas: well, on some applications, the gui gets 'rewritten', like file open dialogs. and this breaks some apps.
Mar 14 10:48:59 <ketas> err
Mar 14 10:49:14 <ketas> s/Lykkepillen: //
Mar 14 10:49:19 <bazik> ketas: with original, i mean the native GTK or QT gui, 1:1 from the desktop app
Mar 14 10:50:08 <Lykkepillen> Sorry but i have no idea what your s/ means :/
Mar 14 10:50:48 <ketas> substition
Mar 14 10:50:48 <Lykkepillen> And a N900 is going for like 100$ where i live.. It's really not worth selling
Mar 14 10:50:58 <ketas> used in many places
Mar 14 10:51:18 <ketas> hmm, n900 makes nice standalone security camera, for example
Mar 14 10:51:33 <ketas> it could make stream player
Mar 14 10:51:50 <ketas> a portable gps tracker device
Mar 14 10:51:53 <ketas> for whatever
Mar 14 10:52:27 <Lykkepillen> I got 2 thumb sized cameras for security and my Samsung got GPS :/
Mar 14 10:53:37 <ketas> hmm
Mar 14 10:53:51 <ketas> well you can find use for it
Mar 14 10:53:53 <ketas> :P
Mar 14 10:54:50 <ShadowJK> im actually trying to buy spare n900s atm
Mar 14 10:55:03 <Lykkepillen> The best thing i could come up with was to use it as a remote when i couldn't find the one that came with my TV - But i have to stand up for the IR to reach the TV now :/
Mar 14 10:55:07 <ketas> hmm, why ShadowJK is like familiar nick
Mar 14 10:55:13 * ketas pokes ShadowJK 
Mar 14 10:55:19 <Lykkepillen> Where do you live ShadowJK?
Mar 14 10:55:53 <ShadowJK> finland
Mar 14 10:56:16 <Lykkepillen> I don't think i want to be shipping internationally sorry :P
Mar 14 10:56:17 <ketas> nokialand
Mar 14 10:56:46 <lartza_> cheapest are ~100e in huuto.net
Mar 14 10:57:02 <pyhimys>  
Mar 14 10:57:29 <ShadowJK> you're in norway?
Mar 14 10:57:32 <ketas> hmm was 168 eur too much for mine?
Mar 14 10:57:41 <ketas> looked ok
Mar 14 10:57:42 * ShadowJK guesses on nick
Mar 14 10:58:03 <Lykkepillen> Denmark
Mar 14 10:58:06 <Lykkepillen> :P
Mar 14 10:58:40 <Lykkepillen> Mine's does not exactly look brand new..
Mar 14 10:59:21 <Lykkepillen> Anyway I'm off to lunch - Be back in an hour :)
Mar 14 10:59:52 <ShadowJK> oh damn, denmark. I already had it figured out, lykkepillen in norway, lyggebillen in denmark, lyckepiller in sweden, and asdfghjkl in finland
Mar 14 11:00:52 <Lykkepillen> Lykkepillen is Denmark.. Not lyggebillen D: That translates .. Lykkebeetle.. Anyway AFK!
Mar 14 11:01:26 <ShadowJK> lartza_, the annoying thing about huuto is that there's a worn n900 going today, but hten there's a n900 with 20 months warranty going next week
Mar 14 11:01:30 <ShadowJK> maybe i'll get both :]
Mar 14 11:01:54 <ketas> pillukulli
Mar 14 11:04:19 <lartza_> well... you don't get n900 from warranty anyway anymore. N8 maybe or something
Mar 14 11:10:53 <szopin_> Hurrian: btw, did you enable the thumb errata freemangordon mentioned in that 37 build?
Mar 14 11:56:31 * Lykkepillen is back
Mar 14 12:13:32 <jester`> upgrading to SSU :)
Mar 14 12:27:10 <Hurrian> @szopin_, yes.
Mar 14 12:29:21 <szopin_> you could try 12.04 on it, would confirm/refute the idea thumb issue is preventing stable boots
Mar 14 12:29:49 <Hurrian> uhh, meego kernel is already built with errata enabled
Mar 14 12:29:51 <szopin_> hope my sd arrives today
Mar 14 12:30:35 <Hurrian> oh wait
Mar 14 12:30:38 <Hurrian> its not
Mar 14 12:30:57 <szopin_> freemangordon pointed that out as possible reason for crashes
Mar 14 12:31:01 <Hurrian> brb building an armhf kernel
Mar 14 12:31:05 <szopin_> :)
Mar 14 12:32:33 <Hurrian> uhh, lemme build a new kernel for my ps3 first
Mar 14 12:44:41 <int_ua> Are the scrolling glitches caused by some closed component of Maemo?
Mar 14 12:45:52 <int_ua> they affect at least file selection dialog and default file manager
Mar 14 12:47:18 <int_ua> s/scrolling glitches/scrolling slowness and filtering glitches/
Mar 14 12:53:04 <teotwaki> I  love how the "recent update" in the /topic is roughly 6 months old.
Mar 14 13:33:20 <ketas> hmm, why do i remember completing all levels of doom in nokia 5500
Mar 14 13:33:32 <ketas> completely unrelated here, however
Mar 14 13:37:55 <bazik> is it a known issue that the n900 reboot-loops after mobilehotspot or qtmobilehotspot are installed?
Mar 14 15:13:10 <Untouchab1e> anyone know of any way to retrieve the CellID of a given phone?
Mar 14 15:13:19 <Untouchab1e> as in, not your own phone, but someone else's?
Mar 14 17:25:51 <BCMM> i just got my replacement n900!
Mar 14 17:25:58 <BCMM> second time i've sent one off for a broken USB
Mar 14 17:26:19 <SpeedEvil> Huh?
Mar 14 17:26:23 <SpeedEvil> How?
Mar 14 17:26:32 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: nokia care, under warranty
Mar 14 17:26:34 <BCMM> 2 years in the EU
Mar 14 17:26:42 <SpeedEvil> And who did you have to threaten to kill to get replacement n900?
Mar 14 17:26:55 <BCMM> nah, the EU does all the threatening for me
Mar 14 17:26:59 <SpeedEvil> I got a symbian thing despite specifically requesting a n900
Mar 14 17:27:05 <BCMM> although i am surprised it's the same phone
Mar 14 17:27:19 <BCMM> they tell you to keep all the accessories, right
Mar 14 17:27:39 <BCMM> now, last time, they rang me up and said i could have a symbian thing or wait a bit while they found an n900 for me
Mar 14 17:27:50 <BCMM> then they sent my *just* and n900 with no back
Mar 14 17:28:07 <BCMM> this time, no word out of them, and they sent me a retail boxed handset
Mar 14 17:28:30 <BCMM> so now i have a spare charger and everything
Mar 14 17:28:32 <sethstorm> BCMM: quite lucky
Mar 14 17:28:49 <BCMM> weeee! free power supply for my hypothetical raspberry pi
Mar 14 17:29:05 <sethstorm> I ended up having to find another N900 for sale
Mar 14 17:29:12 <BCMM> i was expecting to do taht
Mar 14 17:29:35 <sethstorm> since warranty was out and nobody would even touch the thing, even the folks that get cited by Nokia for doing repairs in the US
Mar 14 17:29:47 <luke-jr> :/
Mar 14 17:29:57 <BCMM> my warranty is out in a couple of months
Mar 14 17:30:00 <luke-jr> sethstorm: where'd you find a N900 for sale?
Mar 14 17:30:13 <BCMM> so i guess i'm going to have to reinforce this one's USB port somehow
Mar 14 17:30:16 <BCMM> this scares me a great deal
Mar 14 17:30:25 <sethstorm> it was a while back on Amazon IIRC
Mar 14 17:30:55 <sethstorm> the odd thing was that it had mismatched s/n on the outer box vs the inner
Mar 14 17:31:14 <sethstorm> unit s/n has warranty, outer box didnt
Mar 14 17:31:48 <BCMM> oh and they gave me a free wrist strap (??)
Mar 14 17:33:13 <BCMM> that smells of real leather and has a useless piece of metal decoration that would hit the screen in actual use...
Mar 14 17:34:27 <sethstorm> BCMM: is your replacement unit the newer N900 or the older one
Mar 14 17:34:38 <BCMM> sethstorm: there are two versions?
Mar 14 17:34:40 <BCMM> how do you tell?
Mar 14 17:35:04 <sethstorm> *grabs N900*
Mar 14 17:35:39 <sethstorm> is it on or off?
Mar 14 17:36:26 <BCMM> sethstorm: off, not put the battery in yet
Mar 14 17:36:58 <BCMM> i came here to ask how best to get stuff back the way i liked it
Mar 14 17:37:34 <BCMM> i have a backup from the backup program and an rsynced dir of my home directory minus some crap like "cities"
Mar 14 17:37:50 <sethstorm> if it says FCCID:LJPRX-51X on the battery compartment, it's the newer one
Mar 14 17:38:21 <sethstorm> if it's just FCCID:LJPRX-51 it's the older one
Mar 14 17:38:25 <BCMM> i guess it's "install cssu; restore backups with backup program, then overwrite stuff with my backed-up home directory and selected bits of /etc/"?
Mar 14 17:38:41 <BCMM> sethstorm: there is an X at the end
Mar 14 17:38:44 <luke-jr> sethstorm: which merchant on Amazon?
Mar 14 17:38:45 <BCMM> what are the differences?
Mar 14 17:39:04 <BCMM> sethstorm: i'm guessing it's not "they armoured the USB ports now"?
Mar 14 17:39:35 <sethstorm> BCMM: more like you having to use a different version of u-boot
Mar 14 17:40:00 <BCMM> is that the thing you use to select different kernels at bootup?
Mar 14 17:40:18 <sethstorm> one of them, yes.
Mar 14 17:40:40 <sethstorm> but as far as restoring your backup, what says CSSU first?
Mar 14 17:41:42 <BCMM> sethstorm: problems installing the package list without it?
Mar 14 17:41:49 <BCMM> don't actually know if i have anything that requires cssu
Mar 14 17:42:18 <sethstorm> if it's Nokia's own backup software, I'd do CSSU afterwards
Mar 14 17:42:45 <sethstorm> restore backup, install CSSU, then the rest of your restore
Mar 14 17:42:49 <BCMM> thanks; i'll do that then
Mar 14 17:43:11 <BCMM> by the way, anybody know where the layout of the homescreen widgets is stored?
Mar 14 17:43:26 <BCMM> i was rather attached to the way i had it set up
Mar 14 17:43:52 <Pali> ping freemangordon
Mar 14 17:43:56 <BCMM> sethstorm: also, were there any practical differences between hardware versions apart from boot?
Mar 14 17:44:29 <sethstorm> BCMM: none that I've encountered elsewhere
Mar 14 17:45:15 <BCMM> my life will be so much less stressful now that i have a spare stylus.
Mar 14 17:46:05 <BCMM> aah that awful hands animation
Mar 14 17:46:11 <BCMM> i'm not sure i backed up my boot video...
Mar 14 17:50:08 <StyXman> is there any way to access the browser's password database ?
Mar 14 17:52:16 <BCMM> StyXman: not that i know of, but then again there might well be a way to get at it using firefox's underlying stuff
Mar 14 17:52:40 <BCMM> i mean, if you're really stuck for an important password, copy the pass db to a real fx install
Mar 14 17:53:44 <StyXman> BCMM: the default browser is a ffox derivative?
Mar 14 17:54:19 <BCMM> StyXman: yeah
Mar 14 17:54:33 <BCMM> StyXman: about:config and friends are still there :)
Mar 14 17:54:49 <BCMM> (and about:mozilla :)
Mar 14 17:54:55 <StyXman> :)
Mar 14 17:55:40 <StyXman> nice
Mar 14 20:13:23 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Mar 14 21:53:16 <sopin> not sure if installing sb was necessary, got 'make menuconfig' on-device with meego kernel (took ages to unpack, no idea if compiles yet)
Mar 14 21:53:50 <sopin> Hurrian: what options are best? got a headache looking through all that alone
Mar 14 21:54:37 <sopin> or did you apply pali's patches and errata outside of it?
Mar 14 21:55:04 <sopin> I guess I'll repeat myself then
Mar 14 21:55:10 <sopin> not sure if installing sb was necessary, got 'make menuconfig' on-device with meego kernel (took ages to unpack, no idea if compiles yet)
Mar 14 21:55:23 <sopin> Hurrian|away: what options are best? got a headache looking through all that alone
Mar 14 21:55:26 <sopin> or did you apply pali's patches and errata outside of it?
Mar 14 21:56:41 <sopin> pali: know a way to introduce your patch on device?
Mar 14 21:57:33 <sopin> even after setting up sb, wasting 3h of commute time per day, on device option would allow more 'progress' (hopefully)
Mar 14 21:58:10 <sopin> bus ride is snappy when doing actual stuff
Mar 14 21:59:41 <sopin> I could prolly remote to SB, to avoid this... anyone could share their experience?
Mar 14 22:00:56 <sopin> hell I could even start some compiling during lunch break
Mar 14 22:02:17 <NIN101> super tip: debian 6 VM + harmattan sdk = happy compiling of this meego kernel. 
Mar 14 22:03:39 <Hurrian|away> debian 6 vm = stable environment for fremantle sdk too
Mar 14 22:03:46 <dhbiker> hows harmattan comparing to fremantle ?
Mar 14 22:04:09 <Hurrian|away> @sopin: menuconfig on device?
Mar 14 22:04:19 <Hurrian|away> doing it wrong
Mar 14 22:04:32 <Hurrian|away> p.s. you still need to patch that ****
Mar 14 22:04:49 <Hurrian|away> you dont just patch straight over the kernel
Mar 14 22:04:58 <Hurrian|away> you need to apply the meego patches
Mar 14 22:05:04 <Hurrian|away> then pali's patch
Mar 14 22:05:21 <NIN101> ?
Mar 14 22:05:29 <NIN101> simply check out their git and apply pali's patch.
Mar 14 22:05:43 <Hurrian|away> don't they use obs?
Mar 14 22:05:50 <sopin> yeah, hoping some of the patch tools will work on device
Mar 14 22:06:12 <Pali> for compiling you need only arm cross compiler
Mar 14 22:06:24 <sopin> got access to my sb env 1-2h per day
Mar 14 22:06:43 <sopin> to my phone 24h
Mar 14 22:06:49 <Pali> and after compiling run arm strip on all *.ko modules, because modules are too big with all debug symbls
Mar 14 22:07:08 <sopin> i can get 5h on sb but it means I am skipping the night or sleeping 2-4h
Mar 14 22:07:53 <NIN101> sopin: then why all this effort? It simply won't bootup and work, that's for sure.
Mar 14 22:08:26 <sopin> yeah, lets all lie down and wait screaming at nokia
Mar 14 22:08:39 <sopin> this will definitely bring change
Mar 14 22:09:11 <sopin> I have those 3-4h of commute, might have to look at sdk chroot
Mar 14 22:09:14 <sopin> been done
Mar 14 22:10:01 <sopin> pali: will do that, if it compiles
Mar 14 22:10:21 <sopin> do you guys use menuconfig or just pass variables to make?
Mar 14 22:10:40 <Pali> why menuconfig?
Mar 14 22:10:46 <sopin> got 4.6 so old gcc shouldn*'t be an issue
Mar 14 22:10:54 <Pali> all configs are defined in rx51_config
Mar 14 22:11:03 <sopin> no idea, was hoping it allows tweaking like remove debug
Mar 14 22:11:15 <sopin> so no 100mb kos
Mar 14 22:11:30 <Hurrian|away> @Pali, rx51_defconfig as patched by your patch is missing a lot
Mar 14 22:11:40 <sopin> it seemed to offer antidebug options
Mar 14 22:11:51 <Pali> find . -name "*.ko" -exec arm*-strip {} ';'
Mar 14 22:12:06 <Hurrian|away> ..or just disable kernel debugging
Mar 14 22:12:07 <Pali> replace arm* to your cross tools
Mar 14 22:12:14 <sopin> so skip config, thanks
Mar 14 22:12:24 <Pali> arm-linux-gnueabi-strip
Mar 14 22:12:35 <sopin> still damned meegokernel sources take .5 gig
Mar 14 22:12:50 <NIN101> n8 
Mar 14 22:13:00 <sopin> but I assume most is for other arches
Mar 14 22:13:16 <Hurrian|away> Pali, does SGX driver need to be updated?
Mar 14 22:13:27 <Hurrian|away> all I got from running the kernel last night was corrupted graphics
Mar 14 22:13:33 <Pali> no idea
Mar 14 22:13:41 <Pali> qemu using kfgles2
Mar 14 22:13:55 <sopin> should check 12.04 driver
Mar 14 22:14:12 <sopin> some guys got it booting desktop
Mar 14 22:14:18 <sopin> use what they did, should be compatible
Mar 14 22:14:24 <Hurrian|away> sopin, 12.04 doesn't use the gles driver from boot
Mar 14 22:14:34 <peetah> Pali: quick question, quick answer: is there any progress on the nemo/u-boot issue ? thanks
Mar 14 22:14:36 <sopin> hmm
Mar 14 22:14:51 <Hurrian|away> it uses fbdev on boot, then loads the sgx driver on starting x
Mar 14 22:14:55 <Pali> peetah, no
Mar 14 22:15:16 <peetah> ok thanks
Mar 14 22:15:22 <sopin> Hurrian|away: any way to use what is working for mer/ubuntu?
Mar 14 22:15:34 <Hurrian|away> yeah, they just werk
Mar 14 22:15:37 <sopin> crash on sgx could point to some hack for 28
Mar 14 22:15:37 <Hurrian|away> wait
Mar 14 22:15:41 <Hurrian|away> uhh, no
Mar 14 22:15:53 <Hurrian|away> in maemo's case, you have the kernel wanting to start kms/drm early, and xomap really early
Mar 14 22:16:01 <sopin> that is incompatible with newer
Mar 14 22:16:05 <Hurrian|away> iirc the white dots are displayed by  x
Mar 14 22:16:24 <Hurrian|away> prolly need to update the userspace side of sgx driver
Mar 14 22:16:51 <sopin> what you just said is black magic for me
Mar 14 22:17:16 <sopin> if it works ++++ for you
Mar 14 22:17:26 <sopin> damned, that looks like graveyard
Mar 14 22:17:28 <Hurrian|away> please read up on how the sgx driver works
Mar 14 22:17:43 <Hurrian|away> open kernel stub runs closed userspace blob
Mar 14 22:17:49 <sopin> I am still planning on reading how kernel needs to be compiled installed
Mar 14 22:18:01 <sopin> months for me :(
Mar 14 22:18:18 <sopin> sgx will have to wait
Mar 14 22:18:55 <Hurrian|away> on x86 system: make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j64
Mar 14 22:19:10 <sopin> btw, are you running dual fremantle/fremantle to test your exploits?
Mar 14 22:19:11 <sopin> reflashing all the time seems a time waster
Mar 14 22:19:37 <Hurrian|away> nope
Mar 14 22:19:49 <sopin> as in fremantle/maemo standard + sd/fremantle with newer tricks that crash
Mar 14 22:20:03 <Hurrian|away> i still need to build a fremantle kernel with ext4 and omaphsmmc modules inside to do that
Mar 14 22:20:06 <sopin> how do you test to not spend a lot of time restoring?
Mar 14 22:20:14 <Hurrian|away> i load new kernels with u-boot
Mar 14 22:20:22 <sopin> so dual boot?
Mar 14 22:20:28 <Hurrian|away> dual kernel.
Mar 14 22:20:42 <Hurrian|away> actually, triple kernel, 3.2.11 is in the wings
Mar 14 22:20:44 <sopin> another reading task for me :)
Mar 14 22:21:41 <sopin> did anyone confirm .29 crashing all things for fremantle btw?
Mar 14 22:21:57 <sopin> jumping to .37 might be a bit big
Mar 14 22:22:33 <sopin> pinpointing the culprit would narrow possible reasons a lot
Mar 14 22:23:11 <Hurrian|away> .29 is a huge patch
Mar 14 22:23:35 <Hurrian|away> i would start there if i could get the nokia patches fixed
Mar 14 22:23:43 <sopin> not as big of a jump as .35 though, which works in some configs
Mar 14 22:23:44 <Hurrian|away> they're huge, and the list of rejects is ass-long
Mar 14 22:23:55 <sopin> ouch
Mar 14 22:57:35 <sopin> Hurrian|away: what exactly was your 'make...' line?
Mar 14 23:01:09 <sopin> or other way: how do you feed rx51_config to make?
Mar 14 23:01:24 <sopin> and the errata
Mar 14 23:07:07 <Hurrian|away> see above
Mar 14 23:07:17 <Hurrian|away> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- rx51_defconfig -j64
Mar 14 23:07:54 <Hurrian|away> i have a config, rx51_hsmmcboardconfig that simply makes CONFIG_EXT4=y and CONFIG_OMAPHSMMC=y
Mar 14 23:08:18 <Hurrian|away> allows me to boot maemo off sd
Mar 14 23:08:30 <Hurrian|away> WITHOUT haxxing preinit
Mar 14 23:08:36 <sopin> but on device?
Mar 14 23:08:43 <sopin> crosscompile is moot
Mar 14 23:08:45 <Hurrian|away> i dont build on device
Mar 14 23:08:53 <sopin> arch the same
Mar 14 23:08:55 <Hurrian|away> on device, it would simply be
Mar 14 23:09:04 <Hurrian|away> make rx51_defconfig
Mar 14 23:09:51 <sopin> *** Can't find default configuration "arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig"!
Mar 14 23:10:24 <Hurrian|away> you didnt patch the kernel then
Mar 14 23:10:38 <Hurrian|away> or downloaded the wrong one
Mar 14 23:10:44 <sopin> i just downloaded the meegoN900
Mar 14 23:10:48 <Hurrian|away> link
Mar 14 23:11:01 <sopin> meego device adaptatiob
Mar 14 23:11:03 <sopin> n
Mar 14 23:11:11 <sopin> from git
Mar 14 23:11:14 <sopin> one sec
Mar 14 23:11:33 <sopin>  http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaption/n900_kernel/archive-tarball/master
Mar 14 23:11:50 <sopin> this was supposed to be meego .35
Mar 14 23:11:54 <sopin> not sure now
Mar 14 23:12:34 <Hurrian|TWGOK> uhh, that's old and unmaintained
Mar 14 23:12:46 <sopin> oops
Mar 14 23:13:06 <sopin> latest change was sep 2011
Mar 14 23:13:14 <sopin> thought it was quitelively
Mar 14 23:14:08 <Hurrian|TWGOK> https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900
Mar 14 23:15:55 <sopin> brb
Mar 14 23:51:04 <sopin> sudo mount -o remount,size=512M /tmp
Mar 14 23:51:16 <sopin> allows opening the rpm
Mar 14 23:51:28 <sopin> might have overdone it with 512
Mar 14 23:51:45 <sopin> but the previous kernel sources took around this much
Mar 14 23:51:52 <sopin> in xarchiver
Mar 14 23:56:36 <sopin> if someone has prettier way to extract huge rpms let me know
Mar 15 00:03:56 <sopin> 80M should be enough, xarchiver tmp file got only 76mb
Mar 15 00:04:26 <sopin> bit of an overkill
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