**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 15 02:59:58 2012 Mar 15 09:06:03 ping X-Fade Mar 15 09:06:46 X-Fade, I uploaded new version of kernel-power, autobuilder compiled it, but not imported to extras-devel Mar 15 09:07:40 see http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ and https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power50/ Mar 15 10:14:57 i've just been restoring backups to my new n900, and i can't seem to make Catorise work Mar 15 10:15:16 it says "unable to install catorise", though it does then appear on the list of installed programs Mar 15 10:15:27 then when i try to update, it's "unable to update catorise" Mar 15 10:16:25 i don't recall if HAM has some error log, but i suppose so - check that, maybe paste it somewhere :/ Mar 15 10:17:22 uhh, catorise replaces some system files Mar 15 10:17:31 i dont think nokia backup backs that up Mar 15 10:17:40 It doesn't. Mar 15 10:17:50 apt-get remove --purge catorise Mar 15 10:17:53 then reinstall it. Mar 15 10:18:09 or simply apt-get --reinstall install catorise Mar 15 10:23:45 teotwaki: crashanddie? Mar 15 10:23:56 MohammadAG: aye Mar 15 10:33:32 Hurrian|TWGOK: yeah, i'm just trying to install it from HAM now Mar 15 10:33:35 i just tried apt-get install Mar 15 10:33:39 "Can't locate Locale/gettext.pm in @INC" Mar 15 10:34:09 in the "setting up" phase Mar 15 10:34:14 perl modules missing? Mar 15 10:34:41 fyi, catorise-plus > catorise Mar 15 10:36:45 psycho_oreos: same error with catorise-plus Mar 15 10:37:07 MohammadAG: why? surprised? Mar 15 10:37:25 BCMM, you got perl installed? Mar 15 10:37:48 psycho_oreos: don't know, actually Mar 15 10:37:58 i forgot to keep a list of packages from backup time Mar 15 10:38:04 because i forgot that only some packages go on the app list Mar 15 10:38:28 BCMM, funnily enough HAM should auto-install dependencies.. can't see how or why it wouldn't install perl when its needed for catorise Mar 15 10:38:38 i have perl, -base, -modules and libsdl-perl Mar 15 10:39:09 psycho_oreos: i have CSSU and a slightly odd apt configuration i should probably mention Mar 15 10:39:49 BCMM, define slightly odd apt configuration?　my N900 also has a slightly odd apt configuration as well lol Mar 15 10:39:53 i have extras-devel enabled and a preferences file so that -devel versions do not take priority over -testing versions except for a few applications (basically, stuff i've developing) Mar 15 10:40:04 i restored the backup before putting my preferences file back Mar 15 10:40:19 so i probably have more -devel stuff than i did when i backed up Mar 15 10:41:28 psycho_oreos: is it safe to remove and reinstall perl? Mar 15 10:41:33 or does dpkg depend on it somehow? Mar 15 10:42:03 in my apt configuration, I don't have that preferences part setup, I have had catorise for awhile and catorise-gui came about.. installed that and been using it for awhile.. I think it was sometime within CSSU or before CSSU came about that catorise-plus was out Mar 15 10:42:30 BCMM, afaik dpkg shouldn't depend on it, but I'd use apt-get to remove it as it will warn you of dependencies Mar 15 10:42:33 * Sicelo uses only devel stuff - of course, i don't install everything that's out there Mar 15 10:43:04 I also mainly use devel repository on my N900 Mar 15 10:43:18 Sicelo: thing is, some people quite reasonably just push stuff to -devel without even testing it Mar 15 10:43:37 since that's how you test it... Mar 15 10:45:06 BCMM, this might enlighten you: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1129285&postcount=248 Mar 15 10:47:10 I would still highly recommend catorise-plus as it not only integrates catorise-gui well with catorise but also provides one more missing functionality that distinctively (imo) differentiated between catorise and mymenu. The missing functionality was custom `folder' icons Mar 15 10:47:25 psycho_oreos: like i said: tried it; same error Mar 15 10:47:28 will try it though Mar 15 10:47:41 BCMM, have you tried my link in regards to that perl issue? Mar 15 10:47:56 teotwaki: No, why would I be surprised? I just thought some d****'s using your nick Mar 15 10:48:02 psycho_oreos: yeah Mar 15 10:48:17 psycho_oreos: is either actively maintained? you'd think a missing dep known since november would be fixed Mar 15 10:48:31 BCMM, still no dice even after installing that? Mar 15 10:48:45 psycho_oreos: how fast is your n900 :) Mar 15 10:49:11 BCMM, afaik catorise probably isn't maintained.. catorise-gui is definitely un-maintained (I lodged a bug ages ago and I never heard a word back from the author) Mar 15 10:49:45 BCMM, rather slow but its not like I care (normal frequency settings + debug mode + R&D　mode) Mar 15 10:50:04 what i mean is, am trying now Mar 15 10:52:29 psycho_oreos: wee. new error. Mar 15 10:52:54 oh, didn't happen on reinstall Mar 15 10:55:05 yay, catagories! thanks psycho_oreos Mar 15 10:55:49 BCMM, heh nw, but you should really thank that bloke in tmo whom pointed out exactly which deb file to install. I personally have never encountered this issue before Mar 15 10:57:59 MohammadAG: /whois teotwaki Mar 15 10:58:23 Yeah, did that after you replied :p Mar 15 11:01:42 how does debian handle file collisions? Mar 15 11:02:04 i mean, what's the cleanest way for me to make a package the replaces all the files owned by hildon-welcome-default-logo? Mar 15 11:03:59 oh wait they have a nice .d system so i don't have to nm Mar 15 11:04:21 BCMM: dpkg-divert Mar 15 11:04:52 MohammadAG: thanks i'll look that up Mar 15 11:05:13 now, why is this channel more helpful that #debian for this sort of thing? Mar 15 11:06:02 Heh Mar 15 11:06:13 BCMM: because you were lucky here and found someone knowledgeable paying attention? Mar 15 11:06:19 BCMM: The cssu installer is an example Mar 15 11:06:42 MohammadAG: hmm, is that a think that you can do in a package? Mar 15 11:06:42 BCMM: you should remember that, even though it looks like it, IRC does not guarantee instant attention ;) Mar 15 11:06:59 gomiam: i know. i'm considering multiple events in this opinion Mar 15 11:07:18 BCMM: oh, my excuses then Mar 15 11:07:40 MohammadAG: i should probably say what i'm actually doing. i'm trying to package a boot video to give me and anybody else who wants it a simple way to get rid of those accursed nokia hands Mar 15 11:08:34 now, they have a directory.d system such that i could just have it installed alongside and one can remove hildon-welcome-default-logo if one wants to Mar 15 11:08:43 but there's no way to trigger that packages uninstall is there? Mar 15 11:09:02 i mean, i could say they can't both exist on the system but that just means you'd get an error on install Mar 15 11:09:47 BCMM: Line 40 Mar 15 11:09:48 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst Mar 15 11:11:03 MohammadAG: ah, thanks Mar 15 11:11:27 so now i have the option of doing things the right way or the easy way that just gets rid of hte hands Mar 15 11:11:56 BCMM: You can't install or uninstall packages from within a package Mar 15 11:12:14 Theres conflicts but ham overrides them Mar 15 11:12:25 yeah, makes sense Mar 15 11:12:33 That's why the cssu installer needed the user to click an icon Mar 15 11:12:57 i guess probably best to install alongside and show a message saying you can remove the default one Mar 15 11:13:08 iirc, if there are two videos properly installed they are played sequentially Mar 15 11:13:48 btw, is there a reason nobody else seems to have package boot videos? the use of a /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ directory looks designed to accept vids in packages Mar 15 11:14:58 There's a config file you have to edit Mar 15 11:15:21 i assumed from the .d at the end of the dir that you could just put more config files in the directory Mar 15 11:15:43 isn't that what .d usually means? Mar 15 11:15:53 i guess i should just test Mar 15 11:17:42 Ah right, afaik they play one after the other Mar 15 11:34:42 MohammadAG: tested. it does indeed Mar 15 11:42:12 doesn't that slow down boot process somewhat? Mar 15 11:44:15 A lot Mar 15 11:44:16 Rather than continuing the boot provess while a video's playing it waits for hildon-welcome to return Mar 15 11:44:17 Process Mar 15 12:00:18 MohammadAG: yeah, that annoys me quite a lot Mar 15 12:00:47 given that the DSP is decoding hte video there are probably enough processor cycles left to load the desktop in the background Mar 15 12:00:58 does removing the video totally speed things up much compared to keeping the default one? Mar 15 12:01:19 (gomiam) BCMM: because you were lucky here and found a bored student with too much time on his hands? << Fixed. Mar 15 12:01:25 it appears so -- i disabled the video on mine Mar 15 12:02:06 teotwaki: XD Mar 15 12:02:44 teotwaki: beware of assuming, it makes an ass of u and me ;) Mar 15 12:03:32 actually, it makes an ass out of u and some chinese dude called Ming. Mar 15 12:12:42 teotwaki: "some guy"? he was am emperor! Mar 15 12:12:46 s/am/an/ Mar 15 12:12:47 BCMM meant: teotwaki: "some guy"? he was an emperor! Mar 15 12:24:20 anybody know, which environment an application, that gets called via a desktop shortcut, gets executed? Mar 15 12:24:30 fremantle on an n900 Mar 15 12:25:28 urg, seems to be / Mar 15 12:34:27 x29a: pretty sure it's the same as from the menu Mar 15 12:34:49 Lo, if I no longer care about GSM/3G functionality on my N900 - i.e. I just want Wi-Fi like the 770/N800/N810 had... what other OS would you recommend and can I install a linux distro directly on to it without preserving maemo? Mar 15 12:35:06 basically I'm looking for a tiny arm-based PC with linux on it to sit on my desk Mar 15 12:35:42 x29a: specifically, i believe that /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh is responsible for setting up much of the env Mar 15 13:04:35 BCMM: my data ended up in /data, allthough the app is located in /opt/program/bin and there is a /opt/program/data. its only for testing purposes, so its ok, a quit ln -s solved the issue for me =) Mar 15 13:17:08 Lantizia: you can experiment without really killing maemo. i boot Debian Wheezy on mine. wifi works excellent Mar 15 13:17:45 i won't need maemo after this - just want to use the 256mb area to boot... and the internal mmc to act as rootfs Mar 15 13:18:34 oh - i dunno about that, or the advisability of it Mar 15 13:43:20 what would be the best way for me to install newsbeuter on my n900? it's not in the repos which means either build from source or install a .deb? Mar 15 14:02:14 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 I tried compiling package with the telepathy-gabble_0.13.5-0maemo1.dsc in the scratchbox Mar 15 14:02:16 04Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls Mar 15 14:02:22 but it requires glib 2.24 Mar 15 14:20:12 lartza_: comment on the bug report or ask Pali directly here? :) Mar 15 14:26:31 seems to me that upgrading telepathy-gabble from 0.8 would require upgrading telepathy-glib0 too, which then would force updating telepathy-whatever Mar 15 14:28:36 which require newer glib, and so on. so it looks like xmpp/jingle calls are broken for "a while" (or requires some amount of voodoo) Mar 15 15:28:42 wow Mar 15 15:29:03 wifi tethering the n900 destroys the battery life :) Mar 15 15:29:49 battery eye has a line going like 88 degrees Mar 15 15:44:43 ping X-Fade Mar 15 15:46:10 lol Mar 15 15:46:21 of course it does. Mar 15 15:46:30 hello, i'm not sure i'm at the right place to ask this question, in an updated fedora 16, is it expected to not be able to use the module cdc_eem but only cdc_ether with my n900? even after having tried to fight with udev Mar 15 15:46:47 that's why i inested in a proper wlan ap Mar 15 15:47:14 s/ine/inve/ Mar 15 15:47:14 Sicelo meant: that's why i invested in a proper wlan ap Mar 15 15:48:28 my kernel version is 3.2.9 if that helps Mar 15 15:51:28 first time i see a cdc_eem module. Mar 15 15:54:04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900#After_Boot and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking#Host_configuration_on_Debian_Lenny Mar 15 15:54:26 they tell clearly to replace any reference to cdc_ether to cdc_eem Mar 15 15:56:24 in the second link, at the end of the page, there's a fedora 13 section, with only cdc_eem Mar 15 17:12:36 Meanwhile: The iPad 3 contains an 11,560mAh battery, the first take-apart of the third-generation Apple tablet has revealed. Mar 15 17:12:52 ginormous Mar 15 20:29:39 What's cdc_eem? Mar 15 20:30:25 some replacement for cdc_ether .. i never knew about it till pwet mentioned it Mar 15 20:30:32 36 /* 37 * This driver is an implementation of the CDC "Ethernet Emulation 38 * Model" (EEM) specification, which encapsulates Ethernet frames 39 * for transport over USB using a simpler USB device model than the 40 * previous CDC "Ethernet Control Model" (ECM, or "CDC Ethernet"). Mar 15 20:51:03 it seems that maemo uses cdc_ether while meego uses cdc_eem Mar 15 21:00:02 i don't think eem existed back then? Mar 15 21:01:42 i didn't pay attention about that, sorry Mar 15 21:46:28 evening Mar 15 21:47:03 untaring meegokernel to mydocs went bad, very bad Mar 15 21:47:26 after 2 hours of unresponsivity MyDocs is readonly Mar 15 21:47:52 fsck been running for 9h now, 100% cpu all the time Mar 15 21:48:18 is fsck from linux usb connected more likely to finish successfully? Mar 15 21:52:50 sopin, well, it would have a beefier cpu hopefully ;) Mar 15 21:53:20 sopin, NOTE: dosfsck, by default, LIES: doesn't fix anything, just says it did Mar 15 21:53:32 you need to pass a flag to get it to actually fix the fs Mar 15 21:54:33 I used fsck -a /dev.... I believe Mar 15 21:54:47 but 10h of grinding is crazy Mar 15 21:54:48 yeah -a ought to do it Mar 15 21:54:50 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/205206 Mar 15 21:55:00 might go for emmc flashing at this point Mar 15 21:55:35 why? just recreate the filesystem. Mar 15 21:55:47 then again kernel source files are sooo many Mar 15 21:56:04 are they all needed for proper meego/maemo compile? Mar 15 21:56:23 might make sense removing all the unused ones to speed things up Mar 15 21:56:38 I recommend not to compile kernels on the device, unless you are very very patient... Mar 15 21:56:44 or does kernel swallow thnem all even when compiled for arm!? Mar 15 21:57:07 I am. I have access to scratchbox 23+ Mar 15 21:57:23 if I want five hrs of working time I'm a zombie next day at work Mar 15 21:57:44 I can live with starting the compilation at 7am and getting a result at 7pm Mar 15 21:57:46 speed things up? only what is in the .config will be compiled anyway. Mar 15 21:58:02 limit space waste Mar 15 21:58:23 in both decompressing (2hrs of untarring just to get ro state) Mar 15 21:58:36 might need to turn of swappolube Mar 15 21:58:48 it quite often hinders heavy tasks Mar 15 22:00:02 compiling dcss with it results in reboot Mar 15 22:00:04 let me be honest: it will be much effort and as you see: full of trouble. And it won't work anyway. Mar 15 22:00:12 and it is also 12h task Mar 15 22:00:26 why? missing libs? Mar 15 22:00:55 I actually have attached more than uease of use to compiling on device Mar 15 22:01:08 want a time when you can flash N900 with a N900 Mar 15 22:01:12 no, because pali's /proc/bootreason patch isn't enough to get nemo kernel to work on fremantle... Mar 15 22:01:20 get rkid of any desktop dependency Mar 15 22:01:34 trying to compile meego 37 Mar 15 22:01:39 just a test for now Mar 15 22:01:48 troubleshooting later Mar 15 22:02:18 if it can be built, we have... fully self sustaining machine Mar 15 22:03:01 not relying on desktop is key to call N900 a pocket computer for me Mar 15 22:03:15 it's already reality. Mar 15 22:03:29 compile kernel then Mar 15 22:03:30 :) Mar 15 22:03:38 or flash N900 with a N900 Mar 15 22:03:48 you still need desktop for those, no? Mar 15 22:04:09 kill the middle-man and you have a full pc Mar 15 22:04:23 MAG has flashed N900 by another N900 Mar 15 22:04:23 withnout opengl, but those are just distractions Mar 15 22:04:36 link pls Mar 15 22:04:44 none Mar 15 22:04:48 will setup my spare for it Mar 15 22:05:17 I can forget maintaining a device I use 23:00-1am for good then Mar 15 22:05:23 and reflash on thne bus Mar 15 22:05:30 h-e-n + flasher .. u probably realized there's flasher binary right inside maemo Mar 15 22:05:51 yup Mar 15 22:06:04 never expected it to work N900-N900 though Mar 15 22:06:10 it does Mar 15 22:06:15 gonna try that next Mar 15 22:06:47 consideroing I have all I need inbetween calls in work, this is just pure awesomeness Mar 15 22:07:17 but be nice to your cpu and emmc. they won't last forever. i say this wrt kernel compiling, etc Mar 15 22:07:42 hmm... are there actually places where recording your phone call is illegal Mar 15 22:07:55 flasher was there before hen, so no idea what for, sure thing Mar 15 22:07:57 yes Mar 15 22:08:07 ketas: yes Mar 15 22:08:29 where?! Mar 15 22:09:17 sopin: afaik it's used for kernel updates (maybe even firmware upgrades OTA) Mar 15 22:10:58 oh, ok Mar 15 22:11:14 thought it was a tool without a use as no utg Mar 15 22:11:32 ketas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws Mar 15 22:12:12 would mag flash be on tmo or rather irc logs? Mar 15 22:14:32 sopin: i talked with him here, so logs will have it. but there's nothing fancy about it really. h-e-n won't even need external power Mar 15 22:14:49 nvm, gonna try it myself, who can recommend a good hen cable? Mar 15 22:14:51 oops Mar 15 22:15:21 second part still stands, gonna google the logs in case something has to bet tweaked just in case Mar 15 22:15:39 nothing to tweak Mar 15 22:15:51 :D Mar 15 22:15:55 just get flasher ready in time Mar 15 22:16:01 ? Mar 15 22:16:08 before connecting? Mar 15 22:16:46 at least before enumerating Mar 15 22:16:58 please elaborate Mar 15 22:17:17 on khubuntuh I just start it and it waits Mar 15 22:17:28 on windoze I can start it later Mar 15 22:17:43 is there timing restriction? Mar 15 22:18:00 yes .. i mean as in kubuntu Mar 15 22:18:12 so before Mar 15 22:18:18 yes Mar 15 22:18:36 any recommendations as to cable? Mar 15 22:18:45 you could do it after, but before is best and almost foolproof Mar 15 22:18:52 I got quite scared of hen threads because of the filing of edges Mar 15 22:19:26 cable - your n900 + female-to-femal adapter Mar 15 22:19:38 which in addition to USB-Breaking off seemed like a foolish idea to try right after acuiring this piece of art Mar 15 22:19:51 q* Mar 15 22:20:03 that's what i use to run my cdma modm off N900 Mar 15 22:20:05 :) Mar 15 22:20:22 did you have to file off edges of the usb connector? Mar 15 22:20:37 no Mar 15 22:21:10 could you name the cable then? Mar 15 22:21:27 I'm bit worried about the whole usb thing Mar 15 22:21:50 not a hotwire it DIY guy really Mar 15 22:22:11 those threads refer to one of two things - 1) filling the hooks at bottom side of cable .. that just makes it easier to pull out, or, 2) people who adapted N8 otg cable for use on N900 Mar 15 22:22:54 your normal usb cable, ca-101 is fine for hen. just buy a usb female-to-femal adapter Mar 15 22:23:19 could you point me to a ebay/whatever site that sells ready to go cable, I'll just write down its serial nr or whatever Mar 15 22:23:26 oh ok Mar 15 22:23:37 thanks! Mar 15 22:24:54 hacing a rescue device in my other pocket sounds awesome Mar 15 22:25:14 having Mar 15 22:26:00 now to get kernel compiled Mar 15 22:26:03 :) Mar 15 22:26:44 female-to-female adapter sounds strange Mar 15 22:26:56 why do connectors have gender anyway Mar 15 22:27:18 penis<>vagina Mar 15 22:27:29 one sticks out, the other accepts Mar 15 22:28:07 I dunno...you can mangle them somewhat too so that they're sort of inverted Mar 15 22:29:55 a good question for gender studies though, why male programmers engineers think sticking into usb is sexual Mar 15 22:30:10 ...they do? eww Mar 15 22:30:27 in a way I guess Mar 15 22:31:33 (ok I don't have anything against usb fetishists, just so you know) Mar 15 22:31:38 ;) Mar 15 22:35:40 usb intercourse Mar 15 22:35:55 * ketas imagines it Mar 15 22:37:32 well, everybody knows N900 lovers have microusb :P Mar 15 22:38:02 hmm, micro Mar 15 22:38:19 and n900 doesn't like it so often Mar 15 22:38:31 produced in korea explains it all Mar 15 22:38:32 if it does then little and slow Mar 15 22:39:14 it's only micro on the inside, macro outside Mar 15 22:39:15 hmm, will there ever be a device like n900? Mar 15 22:40:23 like, maybe, better (sadly) doubt it Mar 15 22:40:45 especially one that slides open Mar 15 22:41:00 doesn't fold, doesn't slide UP Mar 15 22:41:35 yet the usb slot is always accessible, grrrr Mar 15 22:41:46 hm? Mar 15 22:41:54 you mean to dirt? Mar 15 22:42:09 to penetration by a male microusb Mar 15 22:42:17 :P Mar 15 22:42:57 promiscuos nasty thing Mar 15 22:43:11 thanks to bleeding drivers Mar 15 22:43:17 lol Mar 15 22:43:31 i got that hard word wrong Mar 15 22:43:43 doh Mar 15 22:43:51 promiscuos lacks u Mar 15 22:44:18 pro misc cu ous Mar 15 22:44:37 heck, let's say prom? Mar 15 22:45:50 prom Mar 15 22:46:07 lacks iscuous Mar 15 22:46:19 doesn't make sense Mar 15 22:48:08 i like that advertisement where they said that in needs ovations to make innovation Mar 15 22:49:00 hey, has anyone been noticing sms messages not arriving at your phone? I've been trying to get this sorted for a couple of months with my telco, and have reflashed teh phone, but it's still a problem Mar 15 22:49:24 google's not giving up any results *except* for my telco :D Mar 15 22:49:46 makes you wonder :p Mar 15 22:50:02 hard to know for sure but at least I've never noticed problems with sms Mar 15 22:50:17 hehe, yeah, I just want to make sure that it's just not that it happens to be on the phone and not reported on the interwebs Mar 15 22:50:22 here's a good place to ask Mar 15 22:50:59 is this N9 or N900 issue for you? Mar 15 22:51:09 never had this (afaik) on N900 Mar 15 22:51:38 on my n900 Mar 15 22:51:48 I like my fat ugly phone, don't want to buy a new phone :( Mar 15 22:52:00 any patches? Mar 15 22:52:12 most likely not your n900. Mar 15 22:52:32 didyou test your sim on a different phone? Mar 15 22:52:52 or you might just need to enter an sms centre number Mar 15 22:53:34 no sms at all or just some? Mar 15 22:53:35 anyone else getting weird characters where some weird iphone smileys should be displayed in sms? Mar 15 22:54:30 not sure what it uses for smileys Mar 15 22:55:14 hmm, any way to hack sim toolkit support to n900*? Mar 15 22:55:25 s/\*// Mar 15 22:56:27 kind of sad that when i switch to n900 once, i always need another phone for that Mar 15 22:56:39 looks like it's not so easy Mar 15 22:57:39 jonwil is our RE guy - maybe he could look into it. he brought CB-SMS onto N900 Mar 15 22:57:40 someone said she uses iphone only for that Mar 15 22:57:48 do sms work in nitdroid? Mar 15 22:58:11 what a fucking waste of money Mar 15 22:58:12 i think it works. i know it works on debian Mar 15 22:59:19 sopin: patches to my n900? none that I know of, upgraded to 1.2 then 1.3 via ota Mar 15 22:59:38 i need that for my national id mobile version Mar 15 22:59:43 Sicelo: no, don't have another phone for my (minority - windmobile.ca) telco Mar 15 23:00:02 not just for a single bank like others do Mar 15 23:00:05 sopin: some messages go missing, 1 in 4 to 1 in 10 Mar 15 23:00:16 strange Mar 15 23:00:19 sopin: weird thing is, often resends of the missing message also don't arrive Mar 15 23:00:29 tried with another phone for a day? Mar 15 23:00:37 which somewhat hints at there being something in the message which is tripping up either the telco or my phone Mar 15 23:00:53 ask friends to resend the ones that didn't arrive Mar 15 23:00:56 sopin: I've been considering asking them for a temp replacement Mar 15 23:01:01 what kind of messages? Mar 15 23:01:02 you can test it in few hrs Mar 15 23:01:09 sopin: I have, they also sometimes don't arrive Mar 15 23:01:15 sopin: yeah Mar 15 23:01:25 either your operator is fsckd, or it's a sign for something that will eventually be serious on your device, eg emmc wearing out Mar 15 23:01:38 ketas: standard sms, not mms Mar 15 23:01:42 Sicelo: yeah :/ Mar 15 23:01:43 if so, carrier is at fault Mar 15 23:01:56 doc|work: still, what kind of messages Mar 15 23:02:07 ketas: you lost me Mar 15 23:02:19 doc|work: just normal text? Mar 15 23:02:43 oh, one thing is, sometimes I'll get the first part of a two part message, other times I'll get both parts of a two part message, though almost always as separate texts, not rejoined Mar 15 23:02:56 ketas: as opposed to multi-sms messages? Mar 15 23:03:01 operator, definitely Mar 15 23:03:14 doc|work: that too Mar 15 23:03:17 hmm Mar 15 23:03:41 what joins and splits messages anyway? Mar 15 23:03:46 Sicelo: I'm thinking that too, but why do you think so? I'm thinking it because otherwise it would be consistent Mar 15 23:03:47 a endpoint? Mar 15 23:04:19 most common person it's happening with has an iphone Mar 15 23:04:25 if that matters Mar 15 23:04:33 smsc definitely can play some weird games there Mar 15 23:04:36 perhaps some incompatibility between the two? Mar 15 23:04:53 i forgot the whole sms thing - but there's a flag somewhere, which is why subsequent message 'parts' can't be 160 characters Mar 15 23:05:00 yep Mar 15 23:05:10 something's not rejoining them for some reason Mar 15 23:05:11 doc|work: my first guess was invalid chars Mar 15 23:05:20 ketas: hmmm, perhaps Mar 15 23:05:39 however, which ones i'm really curious Mar 15 23:05:51 DocScrutinizer would probably know Mar 15 23:06:34 flash wearing out, there should be io errors in that case? Mar 15 23:07:40 dmesg gives nothing Mar 15 23:07:53 and my phone has waaaay more capacity than I'd use in this time :) Mar 15 23:08:18 so if there's any form of write checking it should be safe still Mar 15 23:09:38 anyone managed to crap internal flash? Mar 15 23:10:38 in few years you'll get reports Mar 15 23:10:51 hahaha Mar 15 23:11:02 the 100k rewrites limit was 10yr ago Mar 15 23:11:34 now rewriting whole emmc whole day will take a year or two if I remember correctly Mar 15 23:11:48 things improved Mar 15 23:11:57 that flash isnt bare, right? Mar 15 23:12:12 still, some cases of hw dmg could happen Mar 15 23:12:21 no guarantee on thnat Mar 15 23:12:23 well probably isn't Mar 15 23:14:03 dammit, estel is right, xplane heli and extreme are nowhere to be found Mar 15 23:14:30 not really into that but as a test of googlefu, not a trace Mar 15 23:16:24 googlefffuuuuuuu Mar 15 23:16:46 searchlores if you prefer Mar 15 23:16:49 actually things are getting worse wrt rewrite limit :P Mar 15 23:17:04 it is a critical skill in this era Mar 15 23:19:41 yeah, multilevel flash made things reasonably worse Mar 15 23:20:25 Each process shrink removes a 0 :P Mar 15 23:20:53 somebody a clue why you'd be willing to pay 1000 EUR for a ~6y old Nokia dirt cheap featurephone? Mar 15 23:21:02 with TLC we're down to a few hundred cycles and data retention measured in months Mar 15 23:21:16 DocScrutinizer: Mar 15 23:21:26 damn it, sorry, have bad connection Mar 15 23:21:32 DocScrutinizer; is that one of those modifiable for gsm encryption breaking? Mar 15 23:21:33 thought screen had locked up. Mar 15 23:21:54 DocScrutinizer: could you check the scrollback for my issue? Someone said you might have some feedback on it. Mar 15 23:22:06 ShadowJK: dunno, maybe. I think there may be lots of those, no need to pay 1000EUR for it? Mar 15 23:22:32 1000 eur for what? Mar 15 23:22:36 no way I'm going to check 100s of lines backscroll, already gave up on it Mar 15 23:22:47 it's not that far back Mar 15 23:23:47 Summary: he's missing smss, the same sms when retransmitted several times never arrives while others do Mar 15 23:24:11 thanks ShadowJK Mar 15 23:24:43 how is N900 missing sms (actually not N900 as other phones too IIRC) worth 1000 eur? Mar 15 23:24:47