**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 18 02:59:59 2012 Mar 18 03:18:36 does cssu support wpa2? Mar 18 03:18:47 i just realized maemo stock doesnt lol Mar 18 03:19:35 what? mine does Mar 18 03:19:50 does it? Mar 18 03:19:58 i dont see wpa2 in my list Mar 18 03:20:05 i would assume it is wpa Mar 18 03:20:20 since it wont connect to my wpa2 only router Mar 18 03:20:53 weird my net is wpa2 only also and it does here Mar 18 03:21:22 hm Mar 18 03:21:25 weird Mar 18 03:21:30 let me try again Mar 18 03:21:45 maybe mistyped the passphrase? Mar 18 03:21:50 going to use backupmenu and make a backup first and install cssu Mar 18 03:22:04 was going to anyways Mar 18 03:23:16 hm Mar 18 03:23:21 tried twice Mar 18 03:23:30 wpa2 isnt working Mar 18 03:23:43 i turned off mixed wpa/wpa2 Mar 18 03:24:13 o_O Mar 18 03:25:02 maemo supports wpa2, i've been using it for years Mar 18 03:25:20 linux systems don't really differentiate between the two Mar 18 03:25:35 well i just tried the passphrase 3 times Mar 18 03:25:40 it doesn't seem to want to work ;) Mar 18 03:29:42 disable mixed mode, then Mar 18 03:29:44 where is backupmenu? Mar 18 03:29:46 disable power save Mar 18 03:29:50 i did disable mixed mode Mar 18 03:29:53 that's when it stopped working ;) Mar 18 03:30:01 wut Mar 18 03:30:04 then i tried adding it manually Mar 18 03:30:07 disable it at your router too Mar 18 03:30:14 i did Mar 18 03:30:22 when i disabled it on the router it stopped working Mar 18 03:30:43 wat Mar 18 03:30:53 something's wrong here then Mar 18 03:32:08 heh Mar 18 03:32:16 i'm also not seeing backupmenu in the devel repo Mar 18 03:32:18 wth? Mar 18 03:32:20 it's just chaos Mar 18 03:33:16 http://goput.it/16b.png Mar 18 03:34:47 yes. i have a similar config Mar 18 03:35:40 oh. crap. looks like i already had backupmenu installed lol Mar 18 03:37:00 grr.. i wish this damn app manager wasn't so damn slow Mar 18 03:37:17 connects to my wpa2 fine Mar 18 03:37:34 hm Mar 18 03:37:34 ok Mar 18 03:38:37 i will figure it out.. weird Mar 18 03:44:52 werid.. rebooting the phone and connecting worked Mar 18 03:44:54 wtf? Mar 18 03:45:57 oh well..whatever. i will install cssu now Mar 18 03:46:30 anybody try nemo? Mar 18 03:51:52 i am trying to determine if i should live on the edge with testing cssu or stable Mar 18 03:52:00 * Macer ponders the red or blue pill Mar 18 03:52:12 well.. i guess red or yellow in this case Mar 18 03:52:25 what are you guys going to do when nokia shuts down maemo.org in like.... a year? Mar 18 04:02:57 at the moment I'm hoping archos makes a phone Mar 18 04:03:00 maybe Mar 18 04:04:27 I'm hoping their G9 tablets start supporting Angstrom before wishing for a phone from them Mar 18 04:04:36 (or, any other linux distro) Mar 18 04:04:55 that too. Mar 18 04:05:26 I guess we should backup the repos :P Mar 18 04:05:39 so we can continue using N900 for awhile still Mar 18 04:06:07 Uh, yes... but, erm, why back up them /now/? Mar 18 04:06:26 Something I don't know about? Mar 18 04:07:18 who knows when the site runs out of dosh? Mar 18 04:07:28 Because you can't trust Nokia to keep their promises? :) Mar 18 04:08:08 iirc last year they said maemo.org would run like until nobody ever came to it anymore Mar 18 04:08:17 and now it's "for a year" Mar 18 04:08:22 so I'm guessing that means "a week" Mar 18 04:08:28 but I'm only extrapolating Mar 18 04:08:38 this doublespeak is confusing :-( Mar 18 04:08:41 Wish they spoke english Mar 18 04:08:59 or stopped acting like an evil empire Mar 18 04:09:06 you can't be an evil empire without being an empire first Mar 18 04:09:24 Well, back it up. Mar 18 05:06:33 how big is the repo? Mar 18 05:07:02 it can't be that big :) Mar 18 05:09:10 larger than fits on a N900 Mar 18 05:10:41 heh Mar 18 05:10:51 i was asking because i am sure i have the space for it Mar 18 05:11:02 and considering demand i am sure i have the bandwidth to handle most of it as well Mar 18 05:11:45 Well, get scraping! Mar 18 05:11:47 :P Mar 18 05:12:05 i could probably start xfering it now but honestly don't know the best way to get all the repos Mar 18 05:12:45 Wasn't maemo.org downloads exceeding ovi store downloads? Mar 18 05:12:53 omg i'm sure Mar 18 05:12:54 lol Mar 18 05:13:25 throughout both their histories i'm sure maemo.org was beating ovi Mar 18 05:14:35 cssu contacts isn't portrait ready heh Mar 18 05:15:03 excellent Mar 18 05:20:15 damn the asian girl from season 1 of babylon 5 is hot as hell Mar 18 05:20:16 lol Mar 18 05:20:22 she is probably an old hag by now Mar 18 05:25:06 What was her name? Mar 18 05:25:35 naw, asian girls don't age until they're like 60 Mar 18 05:38:39 heh Mar 18 05:38:52 dont know Mar 18 05:39:00 but she was pretty Mar 18 05:39:05 id say chinese Mar 18 05:39:18 americanized chinese tho Mar 18 05:41:45 julia nickson Mar 18 05:42:42 oh. she is from singapore Mar 18 05:42:57 you werent kidding tho. she still is hot lol Mar 18 05:44:20 oh. maybe not Mar 18 05:50:23 I'd say repository.maemo.org is at least 100GB *looks around the cable that connects to his portable hard disk*.. if not at least 200+, depending on which areas you wanted to mirror Mar 18 05:51:05 They have 2TB drives for a reason! Mar 18 05:51:57 indeed, you could mirror the entire repository.maemo.org along with other minor repositories, even nokia's repository (with a bit of a hack) Mar 18 05:52:17 Is talk worth saving? Mar 18 05:52:27 wiki too, I guess Mar 18 05:53:09 if one could mirror those easily I'd say wiki is more important than talk, but either way both are just as important Mar 18 05:55:00 * psycho_oreos runs du -h on his mirrored copy of repository.maemo.org (which is if anything a few months old) Mar 18 05:57:39 If one could filter out the crap from the signal at talk Mar 18 05:58:03 186G . Mar 18 05:58:27 that can come afterwards, the most important is to mirror it before the entire thing goes down ;) Mar 18 05:58:44 it's a separate server btw Mar 18 05:59:03 that is small Mar 18 05:59:04 in a separate place, under separate administration Mar 18 05:59:05 The crap is on a seperate server? Mar 18 05:59:08 ;-) Mar 18 05:59:10 no Mar 18 05:59:11 talk is Mar 18 05:59:19 oh... Mar 18 05:59:21 200GB isnt much Mar 18 05:59:24 SpeedEvil, yes. Mar 18 05:59:28 :) Mar 18 06:00:09 psycho_oreos, do you have a rsync recipie for that? Mar 18 06:00:10 mind you that's an old mirrored version of the entire repository.maemo.org. It includes all of the stuff released eversince it was born (which effectively includes things from bora, chinook, diablo, etc) Mar 18 06:00:30 Yeah I still use diablo actually :P Mar 18 06:00:42 ShadowJK, for repository.maemo.org? nope I used apt-mirror.. and I hacked it to work with https for maemo.nokia repo Mar 18 06:00:44 mace@totam.scientiam.org:/volume1 8.1T 2.7T 5.5T 33% /home/mace/Totam/volume1 Mar 18 06:00:54 5TB left Mar 18 06:01:07 aw Mar 18 06:01:29 well... if you have a wiki on how to get the repos i will get them Mar 18 06:01:41 shouldnt take too long Mar 18 06:01:59 I have a huge list for apt-mirror on my wmo page Mar 18 06:02:06 err handle on there is tuxsavvy Mar 18 06:49:07 I'm getting errors attempting to download images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php -- is there another source for RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? Mar 18 06:52:12 what errors out of curiousity Mar 18 06:54:10 firefox reports "Corrupted Content Error" Mar 18 06:55:26 the only other source that I know of which is unofficial and they only have links to phoenix flasher (notably windows only tool) is this: http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N800_Internet_Tablet_RX-34_firmware_data_package_download Mar 18 06:56:28 lynx pulled it down fine .. go firefox Mar 18 06:57:04 thanks for the mirror though Mar 18 06:57:59 heh not mine.. tbf I would preferred if those mobs seeded the pure .img files though.. with the windows executable, one essentially needs to run it through wine to unpack the img file out and hoping that it would be it Mar 18 08:55:55 hai Mar 18 08:56:03 high Mar 18 08:56:18 salam kenal Mar 18 08:56:34 I don't speak that language Mar 18 08:57:05 where are you from? Mar 18 08:57:22 somewhere in the southern hemisphere Mar 18 08:58:22 i'm sorry. i from indonesia Mar 18 08:58:45 i'm sorry, i'm from indonesia Mar 18 08:59:53 hmm ok Mar 18 09:01:06 so you have an issue about maemo or want to talk about maemo (in English of course)? Mar 18 09:02:05 i want to talk about maemo Mar 18 09:02:25 in what areas specifically? Mar 18 09:11:56 in Jakarta Mar 18 09:18:02 ahh well I can't help you that I'm afraid, I don't live in Indonesia Mar 18 09:19:38 why you're afraid? Mar 18 09:20:25 its a saying, it just means that I can't help you regardless (due to the circumstance you're having) Mar 18 09:23:08 what's the story with "hacker edition" images? Mar 18 09:26:26 nevermind. by the way how old are you? Mar 18 09:27:27 aspect, I believe they are the community built images with various new features (but also has its own drawbacks) but I have no clue Mar 18 09:28:35 dremy, I'd rather not answer that question :) Mar 18 09:30:25 sorry, i was rude Mar 18 09:38:51 I'm really sorry Mar 18 11:51:29 hi Mar 18 11:51:39 whats the channel for cssu? Mar 18 11:51:48 #maemo-ssu Mar 18 11:52:51 thanks psycho_oreos Mar 18 13:28:20 doh, nokia shuts maemo.org down? Mar 18 13:29:09 which bits? Mar 18 13:29:21 talk/wiki/. all work Mar 18 13:32:23 i don't know, someone said that Mar 18 13:32:48 and not now Mar 18 13:33:04 sme day whole internet will get shut down Mar 18 13:33:35 never Mar 18 13:34:16 i'm wondering how long nokia will offer updates for previously sold devices Mar 18 13:34:31 hah, it won't work when earth melts in sun's corona Mar 18 13:34:52 DocScrutinizer, By then it will extend beyond the earth. Mar 18 13:34:55 at least firmware files, i don't expect development Mar 18 13:35:11 Ken-Young: so it will nice sunny day? Mar 18 13:35:26 s/will/will be/ Mar 18 13:35:26 ketas meant: Ken-Young: so it will be nice sunny day? Mar 18 13:35:50 sun hugs you Mar 18 13:36:01 I prefer night time. Mar 18 13:36:18 * ketas puts Ken-Young in bright light Mar 18 13:36:31 I have inverseSAD. Mar 18 13:36:45 hm? Mar 18 13:36:58 well it's still sad Mar 18 13:37:02 Inverse Seasonal Affective Disorder. Mar 18 13:37:20 summer is season too Mar 18 13:39:17 I need to reflash my N900 but when i try flasher-3.5 say USB device found found at bus 002, device address 113. Mar 18 13:39:17 Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted Mar 18 13:39:53 do it as root. Mar 18 13:40:29 LOL stupid noob problem Mar 18 13:41:14 By mistake i rm -fr the /var map as root so that's why i need to re-flash it Mar 18 13:41:34 hmm! Mar 18 13:41:47 you hurt a n900 Mar 18 13:41:57 I know stupid mistake Mar 18 13:50:27 so #maemo, how's living? Mar 18 13:51:22 Me Mar 18 13:52:33 aah I see, with a bit of funny optics yu easily get "who" from "how" :-D Mar 18 13:53:31 :-P Mar 18 13:54:29 though my rather poor English would have put it "who's alive" then Mar 18 13:55:03 I understand you anyhow Mar 18 14:00:58 Dynamit: so I hope you're not only alive but also doing fine Mar 18 14:02:47 So restore the settings etc. now on my N900 Wee Mar 18 14:04:13 * DocScrutinizer curses ding for not supporting many idioms Mar 18 14:08:30 Dynamit: have a look into backupmenu, it's a really great indispensable app Mar 18 14:08:40 well, "app" Mar 18 14:09:45 I'm not all sure about it, but I *think* it would still work on a system that even has /var deleted Mar 18 14:10:14 so you wouldn't even have to reflash, to recover from your "noob mistake" Mar 18 14:10:54 just boot up with kbd slider opened, and select "restore" from backupmenu Mar 18 14:11:18 okey Mar 18 14:11:43 Do you knoe about get nitroid getting to dualboot from micro sd-card? Mar 18 14:12:02 I have try but can't get the dualboot to find it Mar 18 14:12:15 well... I don't appreciate nitdroid Mar 18 14:12:39 also: Mar 18 14:12:45 ~maemo-multiboot Mar 18 14:12:45 rumour has it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Mar 18 14:13:15 have you try Kubuntu mobile? Mar 18 14:13:21 nope Mar 18 14:14:03 honestly, why would I want to try another OS than maemo fremantle, on N900? Mar 18 14:14:43 Because other OS have things that maemo don't Mar 18 14:14:51 I'm still pretty convinced of fremantle with CSSU being the best OS for N900 you can get Mar 18 14:15:04 the only reason i want dualboot is to get the Ubuntu One to sync my calender etc. from the phone to the computer's i use and the other way Mar 18 14:15:20 and I don't see any such things that maemo is missing while other OS might provide Mar 18 14:16:44 hmm, I'd suspect this One thing doesn't support maemo contacts database and middleware Mar 18 14:20:22 and quite probably the contacts in whatever database One supports will not allow to dial them on N900 Mar 18 14:21:14 you could possibly fix this with some dbus-call to pop up maemo dialer with the number selected from One contacts Mar 18 14:21:55 but for inbound calls I'd not expect the contact lookup and name resolving to work on ubuntu One Mar 18 14:23:46 the only thing i care about is calender and document that need to be sync Mar 18 14:23:59 document? Mar 18 14:24:34 odt, txt, doc, etc. Mar 18 14:24:51 hmm, I don't see how to sync that Mar 18 14:25:00 but the most important is calender Mar 18 14:25:30 except with e.g. rsync to copy stuff from one device to other in an intelligent way Mar 18 14:27:12 wtf. i download the newest Maemo 5 but when the software list is updated the phone say it update available for Maemo5 Mar 18 14:27:42 sorry? Mar 18 14:28:02 Nothing my phone act weird Mar 18 14:28:27 you mean there are updates available even after you flashed 'latest' fiasco immage? Mar 18 14:28:45 yes Mar 18 14:28:50 normal Mar 18 14:29:23 ...on all OS I know Mar 18 14:29:56 the complete image used for flashing always is outdated even on the day it gets published Mar 18 14:30:05 Okey so when Ubuntu 12.04 is released it will be new update's for it after 10min after its release? Mar 18 14:30:27 IOW you always find updates to apply to most recent full image Mar 18 14:30:39 yes Mar 18 14:31:20 it takes quite some time to prepare and roll out some image Mar 18 14:32:33 during that time any new updates won't go in to that latest image, so you'll find them immediately after installation of the whole image in the update utility Mar 18 14:34:08 and in the weeks and months after release of that image, any updates won't go in to the image as well Mar 18 14:34:25 obviously Mar 18 14:36:02 for fremantle that means, I don't know if we got a PR1.3.1 fiasco at all, or the 1.3->1.3.1 updates are only available via HAM "update" Mar 18 14:37:06 okey Mar 18 14:37:59 you could find out easily, when you click "details" tab on the offered maemo update in HAM Mar 18 14:38:27 it says "installed:" and "available:" or similar Mar 18 14:41:42 provided by Nokia Mar 18 14:45:08 1.3.1 is only available through ham Mar 18 14:48:06 thought as much Mar 18 14:48:44 Dynamit: what's about "provided by Nokia"? Mar 18 14:50:56 It was the only thing it say about where it came from Mar 18 14:51:03 but shit the same Mar 18 14:54:00 well, that's where it came from, but when clicking details tab you see a lot more of info about current version, new version, whatnot else Mar 18 15:10:10 what's the go with a2dp on n800/os2008? I'm seeing different instructions in a few places Mar 18 15:16:43 hmm, that's knowledge hard to find nowadays. Some users here might know about it, I for one never tried BT audio with N810 Mar 18 15:20:33 I used to have it on the old image I just trashed :/ Mar 18 15:40:33 ~seen pali Mar 18 15:40:34 hmm, well. Talking outa my ass, I'd say you usually need a pulseaudio plugin to send PCM audio data to the BT chip. IIRC that used to be BlueZ3 Mar 18 15:40:40 pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 19h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'but old version of nokia kernel in mtd3 can be updated to one which will have fixed security bugs'. Mar 18 15:41:38 ~seen freemangordon Mar 18 15:41:40 freemangordon was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 22h 55m 2s ago, saying: 'X-Fade ping'. Mar 18 15:42:55 !fixusb Mar 18 15:43:07 ,fixusb Mar 18 15:43:22 ok, so i've forgotten which character triggers the bot... Mar 18 15:44:28 ~fixusb Mar 18 15:45:33 ~usbfix Mar 18 15:45:34 [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Mar 18 15:45:47 or simply: Mar 18 15:45:49 thanks Doc. Mar 18 15:45:52 infobot: usbfix Mar 18 15:45:52 well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Mar 18 15:46:14 in case you forgot the keychar Mar 18 15:46:20 off to void a warranty now Mar 18 15:46:31 (which btw is per chan defined) Mar 18 15:47:20 BCMM: :-D thumbs up for this kind of voiding warranty Mar 18 15:48:50 BCMM: btw according to european jurisdiction your warranty for unrelated defects won't be void by doing a modification like usbfix. Manufacturer had to explain why your mod caused the defect Mar 18 15:49:58 ... for the first 6 months only Mar 18 15:50:06 they can't just say "you opened the device, so now your warranty is void" - they can do this for the voluntary warranty they offer, but not for the 2 yeras legal warranty Mar 18 15:50:06 after that, you are the one having to explain it Mar 18 15:50:19 javispedro: hmm somewhat Mar 18 15:58:58 when one overclocks his dsp, will SR automatically increase voltage? Mar 18 15:59:14 a2dp success! by scrutinising the last few pages of the thread and re-pairing my headset Mar 18 15:59:39 aspect: \o/ Mar 18 16:00:27 MrPingu: no Mar 18 16:00:30 MrPingu: NFC, check the wealth of threads about it - here OC is mostly deprecated as most of us understood it's usually worthless Mar 18 16:00:35 SR max voltage is is kernel config file Mar 18 16:01:06 and side note, with syspart disabled, the only kernel config you need is stock with kpower50 Mar 18 16:01:43 ...and WSEGL turned on Mar 18 16:02:10 but as i have experienced, turning SR and WSEGL results in graphics corruption sometimes, fixed with a batt pull Mar 18 16:02:34 a few users have sound arguments why they temporarily enable OC to get across some magic limit with framerates etc. but the normal case is OC fanbois mess with CPU clock without any good reason, and then claim everything "works just fine now" but lack to deliver any proof that it's not a placebo effect Mar 18 16:04:01 while the truckload of possible negative impact on several system and device aspects are simply neglected Mar 18 16:05:25 I used to run 900 mhz 24/7 Mar 18 16:05:39 no you didn't Mar 18 16:05:57 this statement alone proves you don't understand OC Mar 18 16:06:02 if the N900 ran at 900MHz 24/7, the battery would be burnt Mar 18 16:06:10 well, you get what I mean Mar 18 16:06:31 it's ondemand governer, so not 24/7 :P Mar 18 16:06:42 if you want to run it at 900MHz 24/7, disable clocks off while idle and set limits ;) Mar 18 16:06:55 aaah, a bit of a clue shines up :-) Mar 18 16:07:21 Nono I don't want to run 900 mhz, I just wanted to confirm what you said Mar 18 16:07:45 Becuz since reflash I just loaded default profile Mar 18 16:07:55 (till 600) Mar 18 16:08:29 Couldn't really say it was slower or faster, well a bit of the transitions when switching windows Mar 18 16:08:53 Really read/write on disks is the real slowdown on N900 :P Mar 18 16:08:53 yep, see. The placebo effect kicks in ;-) Mar 18 16:09:13 with swap on sd, and the right swap settings for compcache, you'll get max [strike]placebo[/strike]responsiveness Mar 18 16:09:20 yes, I/O is bottleneck Mar 18 16:09:22 does anyone know about the current uefi-situation? i was thinking about switching from win7 to 8.. Mar 18 16:09:36 (dualboot system here) Mar 18 16:09:55 Yes I have enabled swap on SD Mar 18 16:10:01 hanning, if you're not on a uefi-compliant x86 system, nothing to worry about Mar 18 16:10:05 uhh Mar 18 16:10:15 if you're on an x86/x86-64 system, nothing to worry about Mar 18 16:10:23 open mode is expressly enabled Mar 18 16:11:07 MrPingu: swap on SD makes probably more snese than any OCing Mar 18 16:11:17 sense* Mar 18 16:12:21 optimal optimization (sorry I had to use that term once in my life ;-P) would be to reduce RAM footprint of the active system, so it doesn't need that much (or any) swap Mar 18 16:12:44 Probably, but I have been thinking. Wouldn't it be better if I gave microSD swap partition higher priority? Mar 18 16:13:01 quite possuble Mar 18 16:13:08 disable emmc swap Mar 18 16:13:12 meh, my typing sucks today Mar 18 16:13:33 I try to keep my phone as clean as possible, least possible extra libraries ;) Mar 18 16:13:38 swapon mmc; swapoff mtd Mar 18 16:13:50 uhh, i meant write an event.d script that disables emmc swap when mmc swap is detected Mar 18 16:14:05 ~swapmicro.sh Mar 18 16:14:32 Other stuff I do in ED chroot ;) Mar 18 16:14:33 no such factoid Mar 18 16:14:42 what's exactly mtd? Mar 18 16:15:00 DocScrutinizer, y u swapon mtd on n900 Mar 18 16:15:05 memory technology device IIRC Mar 18 16:15:08 aka NAND Mar 18 16:15:45 it's probably a bad idea to swapon raw flash device without flash layer Mar 18 16:16:12 err, sorry, sure. you're right Mar 18 16:16:23 swap of N900 is on eMMC Mar 18 16:16:33 Not willing to try, swap is on /dev/mmcblk0p3 IIRC Mar 18 16:16:41 yes. Mar 18 16:17:06 from outside maemo, it's mmcblk1p3, as physically, the emmc is connected to mmc1 Mar 18 16:17:07 so s/swapoff mtd/swapoff eMMC/ Mar 18 16:17:42 Hurrian|hurr: only when uSD inserted Mar 18 16:17:46 mmc1 = microsd, isn't it? Mar 18 16:17:47 a big PITA Mar 18 16:18:40 mmc-if0 is external, mmc-if1 is internal. So kernel probes for external aka uSD first, and if available that gets name mmc0 Mar 18 16:18:47 then later on it gets renamed Mar 18 16:19:19 in some locations the renaming doesn't take effect Mar 18 16:19:45 I don't get that, probably my lack of enough knowledge :P Mar 18 16:19:56 so be very very careful whenever using absolute references to mmc0 or mmc1 Mar 18 16:20:16 note that emmc is named mmcblk0 only in 2.6.28-maemo derived kernels Mar 18 16:20:22 everywhere else, it's mmcblk1 Mar 18 16:20:25 sometimes it may be not like you'd expected Mar 18 16:21:05 Oh you mean when you attach to your desktop via backupmenu? Mar 18 16:21:18 Hurrian|hurr: the renaming is done by udev plus some script IIRC Mar 18 16:21:42 yep. Mar 18 16:21:50 wow that's ridiculous Mar 18 16:23:03 cat /proc/partitions Mar 18 16:23:14 you'll see "strange" results Mar 18 16:23:20 occasionally Mar 18 16:23:48 proc/partitions being one of the places where renaming doesn't kick in AFAIK Mar 18 16:24:20 that'S what the *original* true names are that kernel originally used Mar 18 16:24:58 depending on whatever, e.g. swapon or any oher tool may or may not use the renamed or the original names Mar 18 16:25:14 home/user/.kernel # cat /proc/partitions Mar 18 16:25:40 seems mmcblk0 is still the emmc Mar 18 16:26:31 err, yup, seems /proc/partitions still using the renamed scheme Mar 18 16:26:41 in ather places though this doesn't apply Mar 18 16:27:03 just can't remember where, except obviously sections in dmesg/syslog Mar 18 16:27:12 on my device, mmcblk0 = sdcard in /proc/partitions ... Mar 18 16:27:24 Hmm now I start wondering what that third partition on my microSD was for? Mar 18 16:28:12 I actually only use the swap and the FAT32 Mar 18 16:28:17 NIN101: both are sdcard Mar 18 16:28:29 just one is uSD while other is eMMC Mar 18 16:28:41 err, /me needs some more coffee Mar 18 16:28:52 eMMC != SD card Mar 18 16:30:29 anyway, keep in mind that with regard to mmc0 vs mmc1 sometimes things may appear like they magically swapped postitions Mar 18 16:30:54 so always doublecheck Mar 18 16:31:33 What's the reason they are swapped in maemo? Mar 18 16:32:00 I can't find the logic/reason behind that Mar 18 16:32:08 the reason is eMMC is detected as mmc0 when no uSD inserted, as it's the first card kernel detects Mar 18 16:32:45 now you insert a uSD and reboot: kernel detects uSD first and names it mmc0, so the eMMC will become mmc1 Mar 18 16:33:05 however when uSD is inserted that becomes mmc0, am I right?? Mar 18 16:33:20 in that "pathological" case, they are renamed later on Mar 18 16:33:38 when uSD is inserted, some script swaps them back... Mar 18 16:34:00 hehe, you lag just a bit :-) Mar 18 16:34:13 sorry typing from N900 Mar 18 16:34:18 np :-) Mar 18 16:34:23 Can't typ any faster :P Mar 18 16:35:12 I get 200 kpm, only 100 less than on pc ;o Mar 18 16:36:34 I'm not sure I can get up to 300 on PC, but I think GeneralAntilles reached 450 on N900 ;-D Mar 18 16:36:48 those were the days Mar 18 16:36:53 yeah Mar 18 16:37:23 I occasionaly go to tenfastfinger.com on N900 and do the test, just for fun :P Mar 18 16:37:34 the legendary live transcription of lectures on maemo conference Mar 18 16:38:02 well, I probably wasn't born in maemo world then :P Mar 18 16:38:05 hi javispedro btw Mar 18 16:38:14 ow yeah, hi =) Mar 18 16:39:48