**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 28 02:59:59 2012 Mar 28 04:20:16 what is that line for N900 to output to TV ? Mar 28 04:21:04 I mean, what type line ? some name like VGA, AVOUT Mar 28 04:40:24 quiet channel this =/ Mar 28 05:48:12 CVBS? Mar 28 05:49:47 hello Mar 28 05:52:43 hi Macer Mar 28 05:53:06 it is so nice outside Mar 28 05:57:08 until tomorrow... back to 40s Mar 28 05:57:20 we are on the early spring roller coaster Mar 28 05:57:35 had the most mild winter in chicago history Mar 28 06:25:35 heh, same here. Nice til tomorrow Mar 28 13:09:59 Are there any Maemo builds targeting tablets? Mar 28 13:13:00 if u mean running maemo on those tablets.. no. it's kinda pointless Mar 28 13:14:20 otherwise maemo targets tablets by default.. NITs ;) Mar 28 13:15:08 Okay, are there any maemo builds out there for non-nokia devices? Wanted to play with it on my Iconia A500 (Tegra 2, ARM) Mar 28 13:15:38 no. not any Mar 28 13:51:12 that's not completely true, some are 'out there', running on beagleboard etc and hiding somewhere on stskeeps' HDD Mar 28 13:53:42 * dm8tbr has an old-mer build on his Archos5IT Mar 28 15:20:50 Hello Maemo Mar 28 15:21:29 I've tried to move my modest accounts settings to encrypted volume, so I've moved /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest and symlinked it Mar 28 15:22:05 yet, despite, that it have same permissions etc and is properly symlinked, operation failed miserably. Modest just assumes no account, and propose me to configure new one Mar 28 15:22:38 even rebooting (i have wifi disabled on boot by default), enabling encrypted volume, and only trying wifi and modest after that doesnt help. Mar 28 15:23:14 Any idea, what I may be doing wrong? how to properly move gconf settings of some particular program to other media? Mar 28 15:24:19 doing same thing with configs from /home/user/.someconfig worked. It's just that /var/lib/gconf/apps/someconfig works differently and cn't be just moved&symlinked? Mar 28 15:28:41 brb, trying to reboot after restoring - even after deleting symlink and mv back modest gconf folder to /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest it doesnt work Mar 28 15:28:47 killing modest also doesnt help Mar 28 15:29:13 it's funny, as my settings - like auto-check interval etc are restored, but accounts aren't Mar 28 15:34:31 Fortunately, reboot makes account to appear. I still wonder WTF it isn't working after moving /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest to encrypted device and symlinking... Mar 28 15:38:29 hi Mar 28 15:39:01 guys, my n900 drained battery while i was on call Mar 28 15:39:11 and now it's asking for unlock code (which i dont have) Mar 28 15:39:16 any ideas? Mar 28 15:41:32 try the default lock code Mar 28 15:42:08 from what i searched before it should be 12345, no luck Mar 28 15:42:38 i had an unlock code set about one year ago, already tried that Mar 28 15:42:52 or maybe 5 zeroes? Mar 28 15:43:37 obcecado, search tmo for methods to recover it Mar 28 15:44:00 if You have ssh enabled, you may do so even without reflashing Mar 28 15:44:12 be careful Mar 28 15:44:25 it may be a sim unlock code Mar 28 15:44:28 :) Mar 28 15:44:44 Estel_: sorry maybe i wasn't clear, this happened after a battery drain Mar 28 15:44:56 so, sadly i dont have access to the filesystem Mar 28 15:45:03 well, of course, I assume that obcecado know what he want to achieve Mar 28 15:45:19 backupmenu installed? Mar 28 15:45:30 i read a thread on talk.maemo.org that cites cracking a hash Mar 28 15:45:32 You can use it to enable usb networking and ssh Mar 28 15:45:34 which i cannot access Mar 28 15:45:40 no backupmenu Mar 28 15:46:09 looks like a reflash is the only way to go Mar 28 15:46:11 without backupmenu, and if You're sure that it's not simlock related, try FIASCOZ flashing Mar 28 15:46:15 agreed. Mar 28 15:46:25 thanks for the hint, let me google that :-) Mar 28 15:46:29 You shouldn't lose personal files on MyDocs etc Mar 28 15:46:43 Maemo wiki got that Mar 28 15:46:57 obcecado, did you overclock the device? Mar 28 15:47:03 article "upgrading the firmware/flashing" Mar 28 15:47:26 i have a custom profile.. its actually an underclock Mar 28 15:47:37 but, if it is what I think it is, even after reflash, Uou'll have unknown lock code. No big deal, as it won't be set to ask for it on boot Mar 28 15:47:58 yet, You'll have to retrieve lock code to gain possibility to change it Mar 28 15:48:15 it's possible that it got corrupted, and it's hash will be listed as empty Mar 28 15:48:44 in that case, someone published a file, that when put in certain place and executed, reset lock code to default Mar 28 15:48:59 as added bnefit, fixing the "empty hash" problem Mar 28 15:49:08 Estel_: how am i supposed to execute that file, if i do not have any shell access? Mar 28 15:49:20 after flashing the device, if i dont have the unlock code, i'm out Mar 28 15:49:22 it's near beginning of thread, where decrypting hash is explained Mar 28 15:49:39 nope, cause after flashing, device doesn't ask for lock code on boot Mar 28 15:49:44 as I've written ;) Mar 28 15:50:08 sorry i must've misread Mar 28 15:50:12 thank you for your help Mar 28 15:50:13 it ask for it only if You enable asking (don't touch it unless You retrieve it), or when You want to change code Mar 28 15:50:15 i'll read up Mar 28 15:50:17 no problem. Mar 28 15:50:41 ask here if You hit serious roadblocks - someone will be surely able to help Mar 28 15:50:44 there once was a time when nokia had an easy flashing app for windows that would just download and install the latest maemo Mar 28 15:50:48 heh Mar 28 15:50:49 what ever happened to that? Mar 28 15:51:03 im not a windows user anyways :-) Mar 28 15:51:12 Yet, You should manage - it was one of first thing that I've did after aquiring N900, while being both Maemo and Linux at all noob Mar 28 15:51:41 so, if You're not windoze user, You should certainly manage Mar 28 15:52:13 just making sure, this is the article you're mentioning ? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware Mar 28 15:52:20 BTW, anyone got any hints on my problem with moving some gconf settings to other media and symlinking? Mar 28 15:52:21 yep Mar 28 15:52:35 You *don't* want to do Vanilla eMMC reflash Mar 28 15:52:44 Fiasco one interest You Mar 28 15:53:24 (i.e. the one that flash 256 NAND + optfs on 32GB eMMC, and doesn't touch rest of eMMC) Mar 28 15:53:42 also, after getting rid of current problem, install backupmenu Mar 28 15:53:56 it's a must. Somehow, I think it should be a part of CSSU. Mar 28 15:54:42 yep Mar 28 15:54:44 Android kids are dumb most of the time, but it's quite smart to add recovery tool into cyanogenmod mess Mar 28 15:54:51 now i'm understanding why.. Mar 28 15:55:04 heck, they even went so far, that they've added it to custom kernel too. Mar 28 15:57:24 http://hackaday.com/2012/03/28/building-the-worst-linux-pc-ever/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29 Mar 28 15:57:27 lol Mar 28 15:57:31 w.....t.....f? Mar 28 15:58:11 well, why isn't there maemo flasher source in 64bit? Mar 28 16:03:10 cause maemo flasher isn't open even for 32 bit Mar 28 16:03:20 Pali created Open flasher replacement Mar 28 16:03:31 yet, it's not 100% complete AFAIK Mar 28 16:03:40 but there's a 64bit package for debian/ubuntu Mar 28 16:03:53 my open replacement is for cold flashing Mar 28 16:04:01 either way i managed running that 32bit app, on my 64bit Mar 28 16:04:01 and cold flashing working fine Mar 28 16:04:13 only had to taint some libs Mar 28 16:04:20 if you need open source normal flashing, use program 0xFFFF Mar 28 16:09:46 thanks for the hint Pali Mar 28 16:09:48 Macer - eh, if it would be only possible to add more RAM to N900 such easidly ;) Mar 28 16:10:18 ok, a used one from 2nd hand next door: 130EUR, with 6 months warranty whatever that means Mar 28 16:10:21 I swear I would fit smal notebook'ish 2GB RAM into mugen cover Mar 28 16:11:16 brb Mar 28 16:11:33 alas - of course - german WERTZU kbd Mar 28 16:11:50 aka QWERTZ Mar 28 16:13:51 heh Mar 28 16:14:17 wertzu? is that the layout in german? Mar 28 16:14:19 Estel_: (pali created) there's 0xFFFF since ages Mar 28 16:14:38 qwertzuiop Mar 28 16:16:36 I guess FFFF is First Free Firmware Flasher, or sth Mar 28 16:16:57 nfc what's 0x Mar 28 16:17:26 zero experience? Mar 28 16:17:35 ;-P Mar 28 16:18:31 does mugen even sell n900 double batteries anymore Mar 28 16:19:32 ~wiki qwertz Mar 28 16:19:36 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwertz (URL), Wikipedia explains: " The 'QWERTZ' or 'QWERTZU' keyboard is a widely used computer and typewriter keyboard layout that is mostly used in Central Europe. The name comes from the first six letters at the top left of the keyboard: "Q", "W", "E", "R", "T", and "Z". The QWERTZ layout differs from the QWERTY layout in four major ways: * The positions of the "Z" and "Y" keys are switched, this change being made ... Mar 28 16:20:11 DocScrutinizer51, 0xFFFF is Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher Mar 28 16:20:27 0 looks like O :D Mar 28 16:20:34 :D Mar 28 16:20:52 what's 'x'? Mar 28 16:21:02 no idea... Mar 28 16:21:04 http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ Mar 28 16:21:53 anyway, 'sheik yerbouti' Mar 28 16:22:35 * DocScrutinizer51 walks home to make his daily phone and the new member of 900 crew say hello to T900 Mar 28 16:23:07 T900? Mar 28 16:23:18 wish me good luck, i just started flashing :> Mar 28 16:23:25 it sounds like T602 :D Mar 28 16:23:38 T900? nah Mar 28 16:23:58 'I'll be back!' Mar 28 16:24:12 for a moment I thought those were new Lenovo ThinkPad model names Mar 28 16:24:16 * mgedmin only has a T61 Mar 28 16:24:34 well, its still asking for a pin Mar 28 16:28:28 usb cable unplugged, i got it to boot Mar 28 16:29:04 yikes, i managed to forget how rough was the default UI Mar 28 17:51:16 hi, is there anybody can help me? Mar 28 17:54:16 echo Mar 28 17:55:44 nobody will help you if you don't ask your question. Mar 28 17:55:54 nope not a mindreader, sorry Mar 28 17:56:56 ~ask Mar 28 17:56:57 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Mar 28 17:57:16 Thank you! Mar 28 17:57:49 and I've also never used libpcap, and generally would have no clue how to use a C library in a QT C++ program whilst fighting with an IDE at the same time :/ Mar 28 17:58:21 o.O ? Mar 28 17:58:47 * ShadowJK scrolled up Mar 28 17:58:52 I am very new to maemo. I want to develop a UI software to get the wireless signal in N900. I installed QT in my windows7 system and trying to do some libpcap thing for the software. How can I develop the software and deploy it into my N900? I currently can do a simple UI software and deploy it into my N900. Mar 28 17:58:54 mhm Mar 28 18:00:59 wait, you said windows 7? Mar 28 18:01:05 ShadowJK: I got me a 130€ used kit of spareparts ;-D Mar 28 18:01:07 yes. Mar 28 18:01:08 you actually want to develop for linux on w7? :| Mar 28 18:01:18 that's... peculiar, to say the least Mar 28 18:01:24 Well if it was normal stuff, I'd #include , and make sure my software is linked with -Lpcap, but how to do that in QT creator I have no clue :) Mar 28 18:01:37 i installed QT in my windows7 system. but of couse. I can still install QT in my ubuntu 10.04 system. whatever if possible. Mar 28 18:01:41 DocScrutinizer; still haven't been able to get a spare :( Mar 28 18:02:02 I want make a UI software with QT and deploy it on my N900 device. Mar 28 18:02:06 how should I start. Mar 28 18:02:11 holmesii: i'd install scratchbox, but that's a whole another bag of bullshit to deal with Mar 28 18:02:11 I'm not well-fed Mar 28 18:02:12 do you mean that QT Creator thing? because qt by itself does nothing? Mar 28 18:02:34 I.E. still looking for a new one Mar 28 18:03:12 but that severely used one was just sitting there in that shop's shelf ;-) Mar 28 18:03:40 * ShadowJK imagines qtcreator is set up only for Ovi-compliant software. i.e. no extra libs :/ Mar 28 18:04:04 is it possible to do pcap things in QT and deploy it on N900 device? Need guidance... Mar 28 18:05:10 everything is "possible" Mar 28 18:05:24 Can you give me any clue? Mar 28 18:05:39 for now we don't even have a clue what SDK you're using Mar 28 18:06:17 I just downloaded QT 4.7 from the server and installed it. Mar 28 18:06:25 I think he's using qt creator? I think it's this etch-a-sketch thing to build QT UIs with but I'm not sure? Mar 28 18:06:45 possibly Mar 28 18:06:47 I am running maemo 5 on N900 devices. and installed libpcap0.8, libpcap0.8-dev Mar 28 18:07:03 because just QT does nothing on its own, has no UI and no tools afaik Mar 28 18:07:26 yep, except QtCreator/designer, and linguist Mar 28 18:07:37 I now can publish software on my n900 device. But I need to do something with libpcap to capture the wireless packet. Mar 28 18:07:54 yes. I am using QT creator Mar 28 18:08:01 so I'm guessing the only possibility is QT creator then, as you'd probably not call madde "QT"... unless madde was folded into qtcreator, I've not really followed qt side of things Mar 28 18:08:02 we already heard about that, holmesii Mar 28 18:08:13 aahaaaa Mar 28 18:08:35 forgive me newbie to this area. :) Mar 28 18:09:19 * ShadowJK googles and finds http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.4/creator-project-qmake-libraries.html Mar 28 18:09:21 you'll have a hard time with qt-creator alone Mar 28 18:10:02 for maemo it's scratchbox and madde that's recommended and supported, afaik Mar 28 18:10:04 is there any other easy way to deal with libpcap things? with UI? Mar 28 18:10:31 It gets hard once you move outside the areas supported natively by qt creator Mar 28 18:10:44 too hard Mar 28 18:10:54 DocScrutinizer; there's a n900 choice in qtcreator too afaik :P Mar 28 18:11:11 I can use any designer, in fact I am new to all of them. Mar 28 18:11:34 so please let me know which one is easier to implement the stuff i want. Mar 28 18:11:45 mompls Mar 28 18:12:02 well I'm pretty sure neither me nor DocScrutinizer has ever used any designer at all, so we're probably unqualified to answer ;p Mar 28 18:12:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation Mar 28 18:12:50 might give you the most comprehensive startpoint Mar 28 18:13:14 all right. Thank you guys!! Mar 28 18:14:07 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/28/nokia_sim_again/ Mar 28 18:15:11 thank you! Mar 28 18:21:47 have you tried to check manually whether the data you want is available through packet dumping btw? Mar 28 18:22:01 tcpdump should be in -devel I think Mar 28 18:25:45 I have honest doubts the design is straight to the point. You'd very likely not need pcap to implement something that's not exactly a twin of tcpdump and wireshark Mar 28 18:33:26 thanks!! Mar 28 18:49:35 Does anyone know whatever happened to firefox on the N900? I remember using it a long time ago and figured I'd give it another try but it seems to have vanished from mozilla's website? Mar 28 18:55:32 ErwinJunge: They stopped supporting it after they released Firefox 7, according to their wiki. From what I can tell, the latest version is available here: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/2011/11/2011-11-10-04-20-35-mozilla-aurora-maemo5-gtk/ Mar 28 18:55:48 lastest as in last officially built, that is. Mar 28 18:57:08 ToJa92: Thanks for the info, sad news but to be expected I guess. Ah well, I never really had an issue with the default browser anyways :) Mar 28 19:26:19 http://uk.akg.com/product-detail-2821/k518lered.html <-- awesome phones Mar 28 19:45:25 Pali: can i just uninstall uboot with apt-get? Mar 28 19:46:05 Sicelo, do you have flashed u-boot into NAND? Mar 28 19:46:15 to kernel area? Mar 28 19:46:34 i am just now preparing to flash my n900 following my uboot 'accident' two days ago.. what i notice is that i can still chroot into it from debina on SD card.. :/ Mar 28 19:47:03 first you need to flash kernel image Mar 28 19:47:14 and then you can uninstall u-boot via apt/dpkg Mar 28 19:47:37 yeah.. sounds good :) Mar 28 19:48:22 u-boot is stored in kernel NAND, so you cannot remove it before you install other kernel image Mar 28 19:48:39 i'm ready to do a full combined flash.. but a 'rescue' method won't hurt. Mar 28 19:49:18 just reflash kernel zImage Mar 28 19:49:22 kewl. thanks for info. i'll flash kernel, chroot into maemo, and dpkg -r, right? Mar 28 19:49:50 after reflashing kernel image, maemo 5 will automatically start Mar 28 19:50:04 because u-boot will be replaced with regular kernel Mar 28 19:50:20 not in my case Pali. it doesn't start Mar 28 19:51:39 kernel panic.. tried to kill init - and one of your tmo post say only way out is flash full combined image, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83094 Mar 28 19:52:29 oh, you have this same problem "Warning: unable to open an initial console." ? Mar 28 19:52:50 yes Mar 28 19:53:04 and Kernel panic - attempted to kill init Mar 28 19:53:37 so, then only way is to full reflash Mar 28 19:53:52 make sure that your battery is not empty Mar 28 19:53:58 but the maemo rootfs seems to still be fine.. i'm right now chrooted into it from debian (to copy stuff before reflash..) Mar 28 19:54:12 can you chroot to maemo ubifs rootfs? Mar 28 19:54:17 yup Mar 28 19:54:26 please write output of /dev Mar 28 19:54:41 my idea is that file /dev/console is deleted Mar 28 19:54:45 input mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2 mmcblk0p3 mmcblk0p4 null pts rtc0 twl4030_wdt watchdog Mar 28 19:54:53 ls -l Mar 28 19:55:14 I mean dev in rootfs Mar 28 19:55:15 ls -l in which directory? Mar 28 19:55:16 ah Mar 28 19:55:30 hah Mar 28 19:55:38 yeah.. /dev is from maemo's root Mar 28 19:55:39 in maemo ubifs roots Mar 28 19:56:00 so there is missing console char device Mar 28 19:56:08 and I think this is reason why kernel cannot boot Mar 28 19:56:17 you can try to create /dev/console Mar 28 19:56:25 and try to boot maemo again Mar 28 19:56:29 Pali: when uboot (obviously) gets installed together with kernel to dev/mtd1, so what is it you're uninstalling via apt then, after flashing stock kernel? Mar 28 19:56:48 Pali: http://pastebin.com/R2VQyd0H Mar 28 19:57:03 I mean reinstalling kernel and kernel-flasher package to reflash stock kernel Mar 28 19:57:07 e.g. remove u-bot Mar 28 19:57:32 hmm, to create /dev/console, i need `mknod` .. what arguments do i give? Mar 28 19:57:35 aah, "uninstall" the kernel-flasher Mar 28 19:57:59 DocScrutinizer, what is major and minor number for /dev/console ? Mar 28 19:58:00 MohammadAG: Personal experience, or just an "I'd like to own those"? Mar 28 19:58:00 actually I'd think you can do that any time, no? ;-D Mar 28 19:58:08 mompls Mar 28 19:58:13 :P Mar 28 19:58:16 lemme google Mar 28 19:58:33 t900:~# ls -l /dev/console Mar 28 19:58:34 crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 Mar 11 15:27 /dev/console Mar 28 19:58:41 thanks DocScrutinizer ;) Mar 28 19:58:45 yw Mar 28 19:58:52 mknod /dev/console c 5 1 Mar 28 19:59:19 Sicelo, also /dev/zero and /dev/tty is needed I think Mar 28 19:59:29 meh.. this debian can't write to ubi.. only read Mar 28 19:59:49 Sicelo, write output of mount Mar 28 19:59:53 $ mount Mar 28 20:00:15 ubi0_0 on /mnt/ubi type ubifs (ro,relatime) Mar 28 20:00:15 t900:~# ls -l /dev/tty Mar 28 20:00:17 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/tty Mar 28 20:00:18 t900:~# ls -l /dev/zero Mar 28 20:00:20 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 Jan 1 1970 /dev/zero Mar 28 20:00:44 Sicelo: that's the nemo kernel Mar 28 20:00:44 lemme umount and try again.. Mar 28 20:00:46 mount ubi0_0 -t ubifs /mnt/ubi -o remount,rw,relatime Mar 28 20:01:00 yes NIN101 :/ Mar 28 20:01:03 this should remount to rw mode Mar 28 20:01:19 the nemo kernel, afaik, can't write to ubifs, or couldn't at least. Mar 28 20:01:40 aha.. that's why.. because i tried yesterday Mar 28 20:02:55 :-/ no module "ubi", and prolly nemo hasn't bothered to build monolitic as well Mar 28 20:03:38 rescueOS can do it. Mar 28 20:03:46 anyway.. this was just an 'experiment' -- guess i'll go on and flash Mar 28 20:04:08 ah.. lemme boot rescueOS then :) Mar 28 20:05:02 Pali: how did you manage to nuke stuff off /dev/* ? ;-D Mar 28 20:05:09 Sicelo, here is output of /dev/ from rootfs from FIASCO image http://pastebin.com/hs13sjdV Mar 28 20:05:45 I unpacked rootfs from RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 28 20:06:35 /dev/pts is empty subfolder Mar 28 20:09:51 lol - all those dev nodes are there on rescueOS Mar 28 20:10:28 of course there on rescueOS, but are they in maemo root? Mar 28 20:10:51 ah.. dang.. dumb me Mar 28 20:11:16 input mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2 mmcblk0p3 mmcblk0p4 null pts rtc0 twl4030_wdt watchdog Mar 28 20:11:53 Sicelo, just create that missing to n900 rootfs Mar 28 20:12:08 maybe this is reason of non bootable system Mar 28 20:12:34 warning cannot open console is for sure problem with missing /dev/console Mar 28 20:13:05 /dev/console added.. Mar 28 20:16:14 Sicelo, write then if adding /dev/console fixed maemo5 booting problem Mar 28 20:18:18 well.. using omapfb kernel seems to go a bit farther than before, but scren is dark so i can't make out where it stops Mar 28 20:18:49 aha.. dots' Mar 28 20:18:50 :D Mar 28 20:18:54 booted Mar 28 20:19:27 problem fixed? Mar 28 20:20:04 well.. i guess so. i'll uninstall u-boot, restore kp49 Mar 28 20:20:08 can you point me where to download some rescue OS which can I use in future for fixing this problem? Mar 28 20:20:23 http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Mar 28 20:20:25 NIN101 is the mastermind behind this Mar 28 20:20:26 :D Mar 28 20:21:07 thanks! Mar 28 20:21:51 yw Mar 28 20:24:14 NIN101: add there that one can use chroot.. if i didn't try chrooting in debian, i'd simply have reflashed .. unnecessary reflash Mar 28 20:24:44 "mounting maemo /" implies chroot, or not? :-) Mar 28 20:25:52 hmm, not to all of us, lol.. i simply wanted to copy stuff from maemo's /etc .. chroot came to me as a 'crazy' idea. i felt i had nothing to lose Mar 28 20:26:11 anyway, maybe it's cause i'm just noob Mar 28 20:34:14 hi Mar 28 20:34:38 I get "not enough spcae in application install memory" while installing software Mar 28 20:35:09 tried that moveroot.sh but it says usd/share etc are 0 in size Mar 28 20:35:51 trying to install MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.002 Mar 28 20:38:15 ErwinJunge, got them today Mar 28 20:38:39 ErwinJunge, must say their comfort level isn't that high after an hour or two Mar 28 20:38:55 plus if you have a long head (not sure if there's a better word) they might not fit Mar 28 20:40:01 Hm... that is one of my biggest problems with headphones in general, comfort level after long-term use. I tend to use headphones during coding, so 8 hour stretches shouldn't be unconfortable. So these are out then :) Thanks for the quick review ;) Mar 28 20:41:01 ErwinJunge, definitely out then, the audio quality is awesome, but I find myself taking them for 5s every hour or so Mar 28 20:42:04 Using a set of really old (10+ years) sennheisers now. Audio quality is decent, but always looking for potential upgrades to my work equipment. Mar 28 20:43:23 I'm surprised these sound good for metal/rock and dance/trance songs Mar 28 20:43:30 the bass makes them vibrate, literally Mar 28 20:43:52 ideas how free space from rootfs? Mar 28 20:52:18 I'm off, byebye Mar 28 21:06:16 Vib3: move bigger files to opt and symlink to them Mar 28 21:13:05 szopeen: ok, but I have put pwnphone here which overwrited rootfs and optfs Mar 28 21:13:26 but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan Mar 28 21:13:34 Vib3: also check http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Mar 28 21:13:53 can keep n900 in wlan if I ping something from n900 Mar 28 21:14:00 then it starts working again Mar 28 21:14:01 not sure how pwnphone handles free spae Mar 28 21:15:04 if you think rootfs space is the issue use 'storage usage' app from kimmo pekkola Mar 28 21:15:17 and identify the biggest offenders Mar 28 21:15:28 mv file /opt/file Mar 28 21:15:36 ln -s /opt/file . Mar 28 21:16:03 there was a script somewhere on tmo that automated this Mar 28 21:18:28 szopeen: ok, used that moveroot.sh but it says those files are 0 in size Mar 28 21:19:27 different one iirc Mar 28 21:22:06 ok Mar 28 21:22:12 trying that app Mar 28 21:25:24 i think daperl mentioned it (or wrote?) in some post about on-device compilation Mar 28 21:25:31 not really sure though Mar 28 21:27:06 you know about that why maemo is missing usb.h? Mar 28 21:27:44 needed to compile java software that needed it to compile libusb Mar 28 21:28:10 no, tried with ubuntu armel version of it? Mar 28 21:28:29 for libs they seem quite compatible Mar 28 21:28:52 nope Mar 28 21:29:30 szopeen: got this while trying to compile it -> http://pastebin.com/jq6vA2VX Mar 28 21:32:56 szopeen: moved one directory so now space, that program was good to show storage usage, thx! Mar 28 21:35:46 just don't move anything critical for bootin Mar 28 21:36:06 microb engine is a few mb rootfs saver Mar 28 21:36:17 had that ztex directory in /root :p Mar 28 21:36:22 but /usr/bin lib or etc should mostly remain untouched Mar 28 21:36:26 it filled it Mar 28 21:36:28 sounds safe Mar 28 21:36:43 k, yea Mar 28 21:38:54 still not enough space :o Mar 28 21:39:02 how much does that update need? Mar 28 21:39:19 what update? Mar 28 21:39:32 MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.002 Mar 28 21:39:38 MAemo 5 21.2011.38-1.002 Mar 28 21:40:45 hmm, sounds like the 1.3.1 update Mar 28 21:40:50 shouldn't be a lot Mar 28 21:41:10 seems more than 27M Mar 28 21:41:35 wait Mar 28 21:42:39 if it is 1.3.1 it should be less than 500kb Mar 28 21:42:51 what version are you running? Mar 28 21:43:20 20.2010.36-2 Mar 28 21:44:12 yeah, that's 1.3 Mar 28 21:44:26 yea Mar 28 21:44:56 hi. Is there a way to install the previous version of kernel-power to overwrite the latest version? Mar 28 21:45:23 use nokia kernel icon reboot couple of times, install older Mar 28 21:45:55 hmm but it doesn't fix any wlan things szopeen, so its not useful even Mar 28 21:46:07 nope Mar 28 21:46:15 what wlan probs do you have? Mar 28 21:46:29 that wlan thing might be problem caused my pwnphone Mar 28 21:46:50 00:13 < Vib3> but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan Mar 28 21:46:54 00:13 < Vib3> but my wlan is not working correctly, disconnects wlan Mar 28 21:47:02 00:13 < Vib3> can keep n900 in wlan if I ping something from n900 Mar 28 21:47:03 00:13 < Vib3> then it starts working again Mar 28 21:47:29 tried pwnphone forum(if they have one) Mar 28 21:47:31 ? Mar 28 21:47:49 Vib3: also try to disable wifi power-saving Mar 28 21:47:54 maybe autodisconnect widget? Mar 28 21:48:18 quite a few candidates for the troublemaker with so little info Mar 28 21:49:23 no autodisconnect Mar 28 21:50:55 hmmm checking about that wifi power-saving Mar 28 21:52:28 it was on maximum Mar 28 21:52:32 turning it off Mar 28 21:52:45 szopeen, I installed the nokia kernel, now how do I get it to install the prev. vers of kernel-power? Mar 28 21:53:09 after nokia kernel reboot (twice?) Mar 28 21:53:30 check with uname -a you have stock, then download version you want Mar 28 21:53:35 and install Mar 28 21:53:53 Vib3: that's known problem with PSM@max and crappy APN Mar 28 21:54:31 szopeen: not needed Mar 28 21:55:02 ok, testing how it works now Mar 28 21:55:05 thx guys! Mar 28 21:55:06 just install the desired version via apt Mar 28 21:55:22 directly over the deprecated one Mar 28 21:55:56 no need to nokia kernel revert anymore? Mar 28 21:56:03 good news Mar 28 21:56:11 apt-get install pkg=version or sth Mar 28 21:56:45