**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 29 02:59:58 2012 Mar 29 06:09:43 sounds "reasonable" - aiui PSM is all about sync'ed timing Mar 29 06:10:52 if the AP firmware got lazily coded, there will be only one timer to sync to one device Mar 29 06:14:34 obviously this will usually be the last one client sending and negotiation PSM that wins, in such pathological case Mar 29 06:15:13 s/iation/iating/ Mar 29 06:15:14 DocScrutinizer meant: obviously this will usually be the last one client sending and negotiating PSM that wins, in such pathological case Mar 29 07:29:37 is anyone getting mozillas html5 techdemo called "browserquest" to run in microb? Mar 29 07:29:58 browserquest.mozilla.org Mar 29 07:30:11 i get an error about mising websockets Mar 29 08:08:00 check html5test - the engine in microb is old and doesn't support a lot of the html5 features introduced in firefox 4/gecko 2 Mar 29 08:31:36 hanning: no websockets in maemo Mar 29 08:31:52 hanning: websockets are disabled in most of browsers anyways Mar 29 08:31:59 hanning: because of security issues with them Mar 29 09:53:41 hi there Mar 29 09:54:05 umm how long does it take for the GPS to aquire the fix .... in my case its like 10 mins -.- Mar 29 09:54:12 any way to speed it up ? Mar 29 09:55:10 dhbiker: AGPS Mar 29 09:55:20 except that Mar 29 09:55:31 I wonder if it's possible to have an offlie db for AGPS Mar 29 09:55:36 dhbiker: no idea Mar 29 09:55:37 same Mar 29 09:55:43 mine sometimes takes a long time too Mar 29 09:56:15 on my previous android phone i had to change NTp servers in one config... and it got a fix in under 2 mins Mar 29 09:56:24 on the exact same location as now with n90 Mar 29 09:56:25 0 Mar 29 09:58:07 dhbiker: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60155 Mar 29 09:58:20 I hadn't read it Mar 29 10:01:24 dhbiker: «some standalone GPS navigation devices may not be able to work out a position due to the fragmentary signal, rendering them unable to function until a clear signal can be received continuously for up to 12.5 minutes (the time needed to download the GPS almanac and ephemeris)» Mar 29 10:01:43 ah Mar 29 10:02:21 (from agps article from wp) Mar 29 10:07:27 dhbiker: seems like AGPS uses both an orbital almanac/ephemeride and servers that compare GPS signal snapshots Mar 29 10:08:03 the first part is clearly offline-able, given that the soft supports it Mar 29 10:08:19 (and it seems like currently it doesn't) Mar 29 10:08:29 but the second one it's not Mar 29 10:08:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS Mar 29 10:11:45 dhbiker: http://tajuma.com/supl/supl-proxy-ex.html Mar 29 10:12:14 yes i saw the link Mar 29 10:12:20 reading about it right now Mar 29 10:14:50 dhbiker: please share any findings :) Mar 29 10:15:02 will do Mar 29 10:18:56 dhbiker: also if you USE agps, you might need to change agps server from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com Mar 29 10:18:56 dhbiker: ~rtl Mar 29 10:19:00 sorry Mar 29 10:19:04 ~rtl Mar 29 10:21:00 ~rtl? Mar 29 10:22:15 will try that ... tnx edheldil for info Mar 29 10:36:15 StyXman: ephemeris data is only valid for 30 minutes, you cannot have an offline db for it, that's why agps is so useful... the servers are redundant if the gps can do its own calculations, but downloading the ephemeris data is not Mar 29 10:38:16 villager: yes, but it seems that orbits have more life expectance Mar 29 10:38:40 OTOH, the proxy seems a better idea Mar 29 10:39:56 StyXman: the almanac data on the orbits is valid for months, yes... but for the ephemeris, no way Mar 29 10:43:21 in earth orbit, especially given the navigation systems and clock designs of gps, and the limited computational power of gps receivers, deviations of like kilometers from estimated orbit would be pretty normal, but disastrous for ground navigation... you really need the real-time ephemeris data to know where the satellites actually are Mar 29 10:52:42 villager: even cheap gps modules can cache almanac data and don't need agps. I don't know why the one in n900 is so lousy Mar 29 11:07:15 edheldil: I hear the gps unit is hooked up to the cell modem, not to the main cpu... maybe some engineering thing, not giving it persistent storage? Mar 29 11:10:07 anyone in here who used the garage todo thingy? Mar 29 11:10:37 I just had the odd situation that a few entries went missing on the list, but the counter for overall todos still is correct Mar 29 11:11:04 err never mind Mar 29 11:11:18 silly search filter had an invalid kategory as default (lol) Mar 29 11:31:40 hi Mar 29 11:31:59 where does microb store his bookmarks? Mar 29 12:07:36 anybody here know how to configure cutempc? Mar 29 12:09:22 hi, I'v installed cron, but how to configure it to allow user add his own cron task? Mar 29 12:11:50 LaoLang_cool: «crontab -e» (as user) doesn't work? Mar 29 12:12:52 StyXman: it says: crontabs/user/: fdopen: Permission denied Mar 29 12:14:14 maybe it has the worng perms Mar 29 12:14:25 lemme see Mar 29 12:14:51 StyXman: thanks! Mar 29 12:17:57 LaoLang_cool: I have this in a server with a crontab for ftp Mar 29 12:17:58 http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/7369 Mar 29 12:21:27 the trick is the +T on /var/spool/cron/crontabs Mar 29 12:22:00 StyXman: I don't quite understand, what should I do now? Mar 29 12:22:05 r00t|home: +T? Mar 29 12:22:24 well, and the group write bit Mar 29 12:22:56 +T means users who can write the directory can only delete files they own, not all Mar 29 12:23:00 usually used for /tmp Mar 29 12:23:55 actually it's not critical there... it seems the crontab command is sgid crontab and we have the group write bit Mar 29 12:26:04 r00t|home: sorry, I still don't know what should I do... I'm not familiar with permision, so now I should add a +T to /var/spool/cron/crontabs? Mar 29 12:26:49 show us the current settings first? ls -ld /var/spool/cron/crontabs Mar 29 12:36:08 r00t|home: sorry for late.. drwx-wx--T 2 root root 160 Mar 26 21:32 /var/spool/cron/crontabs Mar 29 12:37:04 that looks ok then Mar 29 12:37:14 ls -l $(which crontab) ? Mar 29 12:37:36 mine is: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab 35872 Jan 30 12:09 /usr/bin/crontab Mar 29 12:37:43 note the sgid bit Mar 29 12:38:36 r00t|home: mine is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27724 Nov 19 2010 /usrs/bin/crontab Mar 29 12:38:51 My maemo hasn't a crontab group Mar 29 12:39:22 well, maybe just chmod g+s /usr/bin/crontab Mar 29 12:39:23 I remember that when installing crontab, there's some error message, but I can't recall them Mar 29 12:39:28 might work, no idea if it's safe Mar 29 12:39:48 why would you want cron on a phone anyway... Mar 29 12:40:15 r00t|home: say send a sms on schedual with smssend Mar 29 12:41:04 r00t|home: thank you, now user can crontab -e :) Mar 29 12:41:17 where does microb store his bookmarks? <--- .mozilla/microb/places.sqlite ? Mar 29 12:41:42 LaoLang_cool: i guess security is not a major concern on a phone anyway... Mar 29 12:42:07 r00t|home: yes, I think so too :) Mar 29 12:43:34 r00t|home: why you have a crontab group which I don't have here? Mar 29 12:44:54 no, but i also never tried to install cron Mar 29 12:45:48 ok.. Mar 29 12:50:52 r00t|home: as I understand - no Mar 29 12:51:00 in ~/.bookmarks Mar 29 12:51:50 but Mar 29 12:51:58 may be in this db too. Mar 29 12:52:51 how I can test application for n9 without n9? Mar 29 12:53:23 with qtsdk, it includes simulator Mar 29 12:53:55 or with nokias remote device system (not sure about the correct name) Mar 29 12:54:07 I have only n900 Mar 29 12:54:42 qtsdk runs on desktop computer Mar 29 12:54:46 m4g0g: or with scratchbox Mar 29 12:54:47 hopefully you have one Mar 29 12:55:14 actually in scratchbox you're closer to the real device than with Qt sdk Mar 29 12:55:29 ok Mar 29 12:55:34 I will try it in gentoo Mar 29 13:57:44 jargon-: cutempc works, but is rather annoying Mar 29 14:15:00 edheldil: yeah,i was beginning to get that impression. going to stick with panucci until i find something better Mar 29 14:22:31 jargon-: can panucci control mpd? Mar 29 16:42:45 laolang installed cron on N900? :-o Mar 29 17:56:52 heh actually had to reboot my n900 after some 90 days... it was running out of ram chronicaly Mar 29 17:58:29 Hey there. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask questions about the N900 - if so, I've just bought a second hand one, and it doesn't seem to read MMC cards. I've tried two different ones (2GB and 16GB) with FAT16/32 and ext3. I don't see any entries in dmesg concerning it. I've read that the back cover needs to be closed because of some magnet thing - I've closed the back cover. Any help would be appreciated++ Mar 29 18:10:32 hi anyone can help ill try to load debian on n810 and appers this Mar 29 18:10:33 blkid: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Mar 29 18:14:17 Well, what do you know - it was the magnet Mar 29 18:14:33 I've placed a fridge magnet near the phone cover and the card has been detected Mar 29 18:18:40 narcos: is there a magnet to hold the kickstand? Mar 29 18:19:31 quite likely you bought one that lost this lil magnet Mar 29 18:20:13 Both the pieces -- the cover-side one and the piece that's in the kickstand "bar" -- of the kickstand magnet got loose on my phone quasi-recently. Glued the one that's in the back cover back on. (Then lost the other one.) Mar 29 18:23:14 DocScrutinizer: Nope, magnet's gone walkies Mar 29 18:24:16 I once used a magnet from a earphone I opened up carefully with a hammer. But that was with the mugen cover, which is big to accomodate a double-thickness battery, and leaves plenty of unused room around the camera :) Mar 29 18:24:47 I've taped a small fridge magnet to the back cover. An ugly fix for now - I've mailed the ebay seller telling him to send me a new cover. Mar 29 18:26:15 does he have supplies of back covers? :) Mar 29 18:35:48 I start to like the dent in my 'new' N900 digitizer. Just visible enough to tell this one apart from T900 next to it Mar 29 18:37:33 magnets of tight size could either be found in HDD etc, or you cut sth off a flexible fridge magnet Mar 29 18:37:56 that* size Mar 29 18:38:11 * DocScrutinizer womdes what his fingers are doing Mar 29 18:38:25 help with blkid: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Mar 29 18:41:49 UMM, they sold me a fsckdup battery??? >:-( Mar 29 18:42:33 this device sits on charger since 24h now, still doesn't stop drawing current (screen locked) Mar 29 19:28:40 hello, I am trying to use libpcap in Qt creator. I am using ubuntu system with QT creator. I installed libpcap in both ubuntu and n900 cellphone. I tried to include libpcap library into my project. and the project can find the pcap.h, however, when I tried to compile the project. it showm me can't find pcap.h: no such file or directory. Any help? Mar 29 19:34:51 have you heard the news Mar 29 19:34:56 meego isn't dead Mar 29 19:35:03 nop Mar 29 19:35:07 can you help me? Mar 29 19:35:08 http://www.netbooknews.com/47197/nokia-working-on-two-new-low-end-meego-smartphones/ Mar 29 19:40:37 help with this blkid: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Mar 29 19:52:41 holmesii: Qt creator uses madde in order to compile for the n900 Mar 29 19:53:11 there are tools to install packages to the madde sysroot (inside madde) Mar 29 19:53:36 im running ubuntu 10.04, what should I do now? Mar 29 19:53:38 can you help me? Mar 29 19:54:14 delete it and install windows ME Mar 29 19:54:20 it is rly gud Mar 29 19:55:00 does anyone still hang out on this channel? Mar 29 19:55:10 or has it gone meego too? Mar 29 19:55:12 are you using the qt creator that came with ubuntu or does the one from qtsdak? Mar 29 19:55:23 vi__: #maemo is alive and kicking just like a year ago Mar 29 19:56:16 heh Mar 29 19:56:26 I installed the QT creator from QTsdak. Mar 29 19:56:37 download from QT.nokia.com website. Mar 29 19:57:28 merlin1991: thankyou for continuing cssu. Mar 29 19:57:35 we all appreciate it. Mar 29 19:59:13 I will google something and try it. thanks a lot. I will give feedback soon. Mar 29 20:02:26 hi, merlin1991, do i need to install that in my ubuntu system or n900 device? Mar 29 20:02:59 you need to install the pcap armel package into your madde sysroot Mar 29 20:03:28 what's is my madde sysroot? in my ubuntu system or my n900 device? Mar 29 20:03:35 in your ubuntu system Mar 29 20:03:43 it's a subdirectory of the qt sdk Mar 29 20:04:25 wherever you installed your Qt sdk you'll have a subfolder Maemo/4.6.2/ Mar 29 20:05:08 navigate there in a console, and run bin/mad-admin xdpkg PATHTOPCAP.deb Mar 29 20:05:24 and also bin/mad-admin xdpkg PATHTOPCAP-DEV.deb Mar 29 20:05:31 and those .debs have to be the armel ones Mar 29 20:05:37 thank you, iam using the default path and trying to locate the qt sdk. Mar 29 20:05:52 by default it ends up in ~/QtSadk Mar 29 20:05:59 s/Sad/Sd/ Mar 29 20:06:00 merlin1991 meant: by default it ends up in ~/QtSdk Mar 29 20:06:51 yes. but I am still looking for it. will let you know then. Thank you!!! Mar 29 20:09:22 so i have to download the libpcap.deb libpcap-dev.deb in that folder and run ./mad-admin xdpkg, is that correct? Mar 29 20:09:36 i found the location of bin/mad-admin Mar 29 20:11:20 yeah Mar 29 20:11:37 just make sure you're not in the harmattan sysroot if you installed harmattan from the qtsdk aswell Mar 29 20:15:24 i found the debs in package.maemo org and I tried to download fremantle extras-devel free armel version. But for the version of libpcap-dev in fremantel extras-devel, there is warning: this package has missing dependecies. should I change another version? Mar 29 20:19:59 ./mad set harmattan-platform-api , do i need to set it as fremantle??? Mar 29 20:23:09 i got the answer, mad list Mar 29 20:25:22 well if you have missing dependencies you should also have a list of what's missing Mar 29 20:25:33 you'll have to get that stuff from maemo.org aswell Mar 29 20:25:38 I tried ./mad-admin xdpkg -i /pathtomydeb/deb, and got Cannot make '/opt/QTSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/tmp/madde-xdpkg Mar 29 20:26:10 did you install the sdk as root? Mar 29 20:26:55 you could try to run it with sudo Mar 29 20:27:07 thanks. i was disconnected. Mar 29 20:27:48 it's ok. but it told me that package 'libpcap0.8' installed. looks like i need to uninstall it first Mar 29 20:28:22 don't do that Mar 29 20:28:33 so. what should I do now? Mar 29 20:28:49 i tried I tried ./mad-admin xdpkg -i /pathtomydeb/deb, and got Cannot make '/opt/QTSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/tmp/madde-xdpkg Mar 29 20:28:59 which package did you try to install? Mar 29 20:28:59 however, it said "libpcap" installed. Mar 29 20:29:06 libpcap0.8 Mar 29 20:29:17 libpcap0.8_1.1.1-2maemo4_armel.deb Mar 29 20:29:26 download from package maemo org Mar 29 20:29:58 try it with http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/libpcap0.8/0.9.8-5+0m5/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/libpcap0.8-dev/0.9.8-5+0m5/ Mar 29 20:30:11 thank you Mar 29 20:32:45 thank you. it works. it removed the old one first and then installed the new one. do i have to do the same in my n900 device? Mar 29 20:36:42 i got the same error :( Mar 29 20:40:30 it's working!!!!!! Mar 29 20:40:35 guys!!! I love you!!! Mar 29 23:53:08 can mtd2 be zeroed out somehow? Mar 29 23:53:19 i want to get a fresh log Mar 30 00:29:52 I have a quandary. My screen on my N900 died a few days ago. Should I purchase a new screen or a new device? Mar 30 00:31:32 It looks like a new screen goes for ~$50? A new device I don't know at all because I'm a T-mobile customer and well paying for the galaxy note without 3g is difficult, Galaxy Nexus doesn't have an sd card, galaxy s2 for T-mobile is likely to stay in 2.3 land for quite some time Mar 30 00:31:56 but really that doesn't matter because all of these phones are at the least ~$500. Mar 30 00:31:59 Any advice? Mar 30 00:44:44 <`0660> buy a used n900? :) Mar 30 00:45:47 I'd go for a new screen. Mar 30 00:56:01 robbiethe1st: I now think I may have misspoke about the $50 I think I will likely need a new digitizer which is and extra $35, but I think you are right, this device might be 2.5-3 years old it's still years beyond what android can do Mar 30 00:57:47 maybe not years but a year Mar 30 00:59:30 meh, screen on the n900 is easy to replace Mar 30 01:00:32 you have the slider brackets, then the back of the screen, then the digitizer Mar 30 01:00:39 how do I know if I need a new digitizer? Mar 30 01:01:17 I guess I won't, so I better get it at the same time? Mar 30 01:01:27 unless I'm trying to save a few bucks, correct? Mar 30 01:01:58 Hurrian|ps3: what tools will I need? Mar 30 01:02:25 I just moved so I'll have to get everything to repair it, I suspect a couple of screwdrivers? Mar 30 01:02:37 what else? Mar 30 01:03:11 torx set Mar 30 01:03:22 and a + screwdriver Mar 30 01:03:25 and long nails Mar 30 01:03:53 you only need a new digitizer if touches dont work Mar 30 01:05:00 right, but I won't know until the new screen is in and I want to get to the phone as soon as possible rather than waiting two week for a new screen and then two weeks for a digitizer Mar 30 01:05:26 it's fine Mar 30 01:05:43 I can see http://www.ecrater.com/p/11504645/nokia-n900-touch-screen-digitizer for $20 so it's not that much more Mar 30 01:06:09 the whole project will cost < $100. Mar 30 01:06:18 - I'm a silly American Mar 30 01:08:42 if you're wailing about the terrible battery life on the n900, a double battery plus a touchstone goes a long way Mar 30 01:09:40 I've already invested :) Mar 30 01:09:50 + charger Mar 30 01:10:12 i have USB port use on my N900s at an all-time minimum Mar 30 01:11:01 recovery os plus script on u-boot for reflashing, multiple OSes to fix bad config files, wireless charging, large batteries Mar 30 01:11:51 sweet I just found my previous phone - a G1 - so I'll have a nice phone to use while waiting on repairing a way better one :) Mar 30 01:12:50 it's only a phone on newer Android versions Mar 30 01:13:13 post 2.0, performance is dead Mar 30 01:13:18 ya, the n900 is what I've grown so used to Mar 30 01:13:46 i really just want more performance on the n900 Mar 30 01:13:54 not even screen size/storage/etc Mar 30 01:13:59 I want to transfer a file, no problem, rsync, scp over bluetooth, wifi, etc. etc. just awesome Mar 30 01:14:04 right, I with you Mar 30 01:14:28 if we can do it faster, with less swap contention and watchdog reboots, it's a device i'd keep for life Mar 30 01:14:37 Hurrian|ps3: thank you for talking me into doing the right thing Mar 30 01:14:56 preserving these rare things is the right thing to do ;) Mar 30 01:15:34 as tmo people have said again and again, no big company is going to be selling omap dev boards rebadged as phones again anytime soon Mar 30 01:16:27 Well, you can always OC your N900 - take it up to about 1ghz. If you adjust the profile, get it stable? It'll last 'long enough'. Mar 30 01:16:36 ya I used to get angry at the closed source parts of the kernel, but really this is one of the most open and useful devices around Mar 30 01:16:37 As in a over a year. Mar 30 01:17:19 at 1ghz, you give up SR Mar 30 01:17:33 and tbh, i didn't notice a huge difference between 600 and 805 max Mar 30 01:17:41 and not dual core Mar 30 01:17:50 especially during io-bound workloads, where the n900 shits itself Mar 30 01:17:56 true Mar 30 01:18:12 Yes. There's a couple of ways around that; some scheduling stuff Mar 30 01:18:14 but well there swapolube Mar 30 01:18:29 But OC + swappolube... Mar 30 01:18:30 ya and the kernel scheduler Mar 30 01:18:45 meh, it's inherently slow because of the ~class 4 eMMC inside Mar 30 01:18:47 And PK, and... Yeah. Enough mods and you can have a nice device. Mar 30 01:18:52 eh, it's good, just well not an iPhone 4s Mar 30 01:19:00 g2g Mar 30 01:19:22 I don't mean an iPhone in anything other than hardware specs Mar 30 01:22:29 oops, I shouldn't have used that word Mar 30 01:25:30 is this just the digitizer or both digitizer and lcd ? http://www.lingosbox.com/original-brand-new-nokia-n900-digitizer-touch-screen-replacement.html Mar 30 01:27:18 digitizer only Mar 30 01:34:47 darn that's xpensive Mar 30 02:16:13 does mtdoops log all kernel messages or just the ones from a panic/oops **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 30 02:59:58 2012