**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 03 02:59:58 2012 Apr 03 08:54:41 ping X-Fade Apr 03 08:58:32 hi Apr 03 08:58:53 i have a nokia n800 OS2008 Apr 03 08:59:13 and when i try to install something Apr 03 08:59:38 it says that i have lib files missing. What can i do? Apr 03 09:00:20 some help here guys? Apr 03 09:02:24 hi godtrunks Apr 03 09:02:33 what said apt-get install -f ? Apr 03 09:03:32 i try with apt-get upgrade -f Apr 03 09:04:55 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 184 not upgraded Apr 03 09:05:03 with apt-get install -f Apr 03 09:05:09 any ideea? Apr 03 09:07:28 184 not upgraded :o Might be an good idea to update... Apr 03 09:11:08 how? Apr 03 09:11:20 i try with apt-get update Apr 03 09:11:25 nothing Apr 03 09:11:32 apt-get upgrade Apr 03 09:11:34 nothing Apr 03 09:11:55 i try with "-f "and without Apr 03 09:12:01 nothing Apr 03 09:12:22 same problems when i try ti install.i have all repositories Apr 03 09:12:30 same problem Apr 03 09:13:02 What do you mean exactly with "nothing" ? Apr 03 09:13:34 is not updated or upgraded Apr 03 09:14:45 i have lib files missing libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 and the list continues Apr 03 09:14:55 i have lib files missing libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2 libgcc1 libglib2.0-0 and the list continue Apr 03 09:16:12 i tryed to flash the device and same problem Apr 03 09:20:03 some hlp? Apr 03 09:20:16 what is your list of repository ? Apr 03 09:34:38 all of them Apr 03 09:34:43 i think Apr 03 09:35:08 can i give a link from where i've got my repository? Apr 03 09:43:16 libdbus-1-3 is installed by default? Apr 03 09:45:01 yes Apr 03 09:52:01 so it should be there when flashed, and also in nokia's repo Apr 03 09:52:37 looks like it would be quite impossible to remove too Apr 03 10:01:14 and what can i do? Apr 03 10:02:33 oh wait, you have N800 Apr 03 10:02:44 I didn't scroll far up enough Apr 03 10:02:52 yes Apr 03 10:04:11 although my N800 also has libdbus-1-3, ver 1.0.2-0osso14 Apr 03 10:04:46 any ideea? Apr 03 10:04:49 what can i do? Apr 03 10:05:00 "all of them" sounds like a bad choice of repositoried for any device Apr 03 10:05:35 they ar for OS2008 Apr 03 10:05:42 they are for OS2008 Apr 03 10:06:13 and if i install OS2007 or OS2006 all applications are working Apr 03 10:06:40 but on OS2008 i have those lib files missing Apr 03 10:09:04 any ideea? Apr 03 10:09:50 example of an app that wont install? Apr 03 10:11:01 pidgin Apr 03 10:12:43 can you pastebin output of: apt-cache show pidgin | grep Filename Apr 03 10:13:51 w8 Apr 03 10:14:32 i have to reboot my device Apr 03 10:15:45 and the device is not starting any more Apr 03 10:15:56 is rebooting Apr 03 10:15:58 :| Apr 03 10:16:10 i tried simulate with apt-get on my N800 (which has diablo extras repo enabled) and N810 (diablo extras devel), and that seemed fine Apr 03 10:16:16 it won't star Apr 03 10:16:37 my n800 is not starting any more Apr 03 10:21:59 remove battery, put it back in Apr 03 10:22:44 although if you did anything where apt-get asked if you are sure, and you had to type yes, it probably blew away the os Apr 03 10:24:19 i use apt-get install --reinstall and some applications Apr 03 10:24:40 i flash-it now is ok Apr 03 10:28:37 Well I have to leave for work, I'll check irc later if I have time Apr 03 10:28:44 ok Apr 03 10:28:47 now is working Apr 03 10:28:59 i think i had few bad repository Apr 03 10:29:17 i think i had a repository from my n900 Apr 03 10:29:52 now my n800 is working fine and i had install pidgin with no errors Apr 03 10:33:15 anything with "fremantle" in the name is N900 Apr 03 10:33:43 hm.. Apr 03 10:34:12 i'm sure that i had one repository from n900 because i saw sib Apr 03 10:34:20 a video player Apr 03 10:38:26 self therapy - I've just dropped my n900 and it fallen apart :O (just the battery and cover); fortunately it works well again Apr 03 10:43:01 i have sent my n900 to warranty Apr 03 13:16:54 MPlayer from N900 repository would crash on N800 even if it installed Apr 03 13:17:27 due to MPlayer on N900 making use of the Neon extensions in the Cortex A8 cpu Apr 03 13:32:48 * RST38h moos Apr 03 13:42:36 ~flashing Apr 03 13:42:37 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 03 14:31:07 I get the beloved "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Tried paper, bent the 6 sim connectors. Doesn't make any difference. Any suggestions? Apr 03 14:47:52 and if there is no (obvious) solution: I still have warranty. Assumiing that nokia won't give me another n900, how can I make sure that I get a n9 as a replacement (or even better: n950 )? Apr 03 14:48:17 no n950 for you Apr 03 14:48:25 or for anyone Apr 03 15:01:54 StyXman: yes, was just dreaming for a second Apr 03 15:02:00 :-) Apr 03 18:29:22 anybody from italy/czech/denmark/norway here who could translate a string for cssu to their own language? Apr 03 18:30:10 * guly is from italy Apr 03 18:30:54 the string in question is "Continous view" and is the caption to an option in the pdf-viewer that enables "normal" scrolling (the stock viewer only let's you scroll within one page and has buttons for pageswitch) Apr 03 18:33:02 guly: ^^ Apr 03 18:38:09 Hi Apr 03 18:39:01 osx translated it as "Pagina singola continua" Apr 03 18:39:13 too long :( Apr 03 18:39:16 maybe just pagina continua ? Apr 03 18:39:33 NFC, I am bulgarian :D Apr 03 18:39:40 actually sounds good Apr 03 18:39:43 guly: nfc aswell, you have to know :) Apr 03 18:39:55 My screen is scratched, don't ask me how. I was always very gentle with my leather case Apr 03 18:40:17 I'm from Norway, but probably could not translate that... evince translates "Continuous" as "Sammenhengende", but I'm not sure what to use for "view" Apr 03 18:41:08 and somehow the uppermost film, is, well, sort of burned away. Don't know how to describe it but anyway, what I wanted to ask: Do I only need to replace the digitizer? Apr 03 18:41:27 Guys, already got dutch translation? Apr 03 18:41:27 villager: if you find a better caption that does not translate directly to continuous view it's fine aswell Apr 03 18:41:32 isn't "pagina continua" short enough? Apr 03 18:41:41 pagina continua is short enough Apr 03 18:41:46 it just has to fit funciton Apr 03 18:42:03 singola means single, it's useless IMO Apr 03 18:42:07 MrPingu, AFAIK no Apr 03 18:42:42 merlin1991: what is the caption for the "not continuous" view? or is it a checkbox? Apr 03 18:42:51 checkbox Apr 03 18:43:16 guly, "pagina continua" should be translated as continious page? or pages? Apr 03 18:43:26 continous page Apr 03 18:43:34 paginE for pages Apr 03 18:43:39 should be plural Apr 03 18:43:43 aah, ok Apr 03 18:43:56 "Doorlopende pagina's" = continious pages Apr 03 18:44:36 doesn't fit "continious scroll" better??? Apr 03 18:44:51 merlin1991, "Pagine continua"? It is not the same as "continuous view", but ... Apr 03 18:45:06 pagine continue actually Apr 03 18:45:13 both should be plural Apr 03 18:45:35 ok :) Apr 03 18:45:55 merlin1991: I suppose "Vis sammenhengende" (which means "Show contiguous" or something) would work for me Apr 03 18:45:59 we'll go with it, if someone from italy comes and says "This makes no sense use x instead we'll use x" Apr 03 18:46:29 i'll be banned? :) Apr 03 18:47:39 I think in dutch this would fit the function: "doorlopende pagina's" Apr 03 18:47:55 Any answer on my first question? Apr 03 18:49:00 About the scratched screen; do I only need to replace digitizer? Apr 03 18:49:35 MrPingu: probably, but the experts aren't here right now, you could wait until they arrive Apr 03 18:50:45 Still I am angry because I have NFC how a kind of hole created itself on my screen Apr 03 18:51:30 well I had it already some time, but now another part of the screen got a hole... Apr 03 18:51:57 Not really a hole, but it looks like the uppermost film is scratched off =( Apr 03 18:53:23 merlin1991, freemangordon: Noted my dutch translation? Apr 03 18:53:27 yep Apr 03 18:53:43 thanks for all the translations, got em all now :) Apr 03 18:55:05 I will sit back then, and wait. Or is there something else I can do to please you? Apr 03 19:36:51 ~seen jonwil Apr 03 19:37:06 jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 3h 35m 30s ago, saying: 'not'. Apr 03 19:41:19 is there any other tool which can show cell broadcast sms? Apr 03 19:42:01 cbs widget show me only @@@@..., see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187687#post1187687 Apr 03 19:42:47 last week it worked correctly (same operator, same position), now not working Apr 03 19:47:32 DocScrutinizer, do you know something more about this ^^^ ? Apr 03 19:47:47 not on N900, yet. btw, did you try reinstall the libs as shown on the tmo thread? Apr 03 19:48:08 I will try now Apr 03 19:48:51 Pali: ope Apr 03 19:48:53 nope Apr 03 19:49:00 i also got that in the early days (posing on tmo as qhubekela). reinstalling them solved my problem Apr 03 19:58:15 Sicelo, reinstalling not helped Apr 03 19:58:43 DocScrutinizer, is there any other tool/script/program? Apr 03 19:59:00 or only that one widget? Apr 03 19:59:37 only that one Apr 03 19:59:51 for now, at least Apr 03 20:01:03 at least you're a devel.. jonwil will probably ask you to run gdb... he asked me at that time, but i was clueless, lol Apr 03 20:06:27 Pali: for SMSCB? Apr 03 20:07:12 yes Apr 03 20:07:50 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/smscb.py Apr 03 20:08:22 Sicelo, I see that widget code only decode dbus message, so first I need to know if problem is in decoding or in maemo system Apr 03 20:08:39 i've always known about that file DocScrutinizer.. never tried it :P Apr 03 20:08:56 DocScrutinizer, thanks Apr 03 20:09:01 YW Apr 03 20:11:44 DocScrutinizer, your script show me empty message Apr 03 20:11:53 and not @@@@@@ as widget Apr 03 20:12:21 hmm, that probably means the msg consists oof nonprinting chars Apr 03 20:12:35 * Sicelo gives it a try too.. Apr 03 20:13:23 afaik @ == with 7th bit set, or sth Apr 03 20:13:43 btw, DocScrutinizer, what would i modify in your script to get Channel stuff in Channel 52? Apr 03 20:13:52 at least ctrl-@ should result in 0x00 Apr 03 20:14:09 call it with -channel 52 Apr 03 20:14:19 great :) Apr 03 20:15:49 DocScrutinizer, I get only messages from channels 50 and 471 Apr 03 20:16:03 more than I get Apr 03 20:16:17 I get only chan221 Apr 03 20:17:23 I think former conventions considered maybe chan1 or chan0 as index channel Apr 03 20:17:39 probably nobody ever used SMSCB that way Apr 03 20:18:04 and chan50 is "homezone" channel afaik Apr 03 20:18:15 at least in some networks Apr 03 20:18:47 yeah, i notice Nokia N-Gage and Nokia 9300i use Ch1 as index chan Apr 03 20:19:10 you know, there've been tariffs like "call for a quarter of regular fee to the town you're actually in recently" Apr 03 20:19:51 for that I think they sent name of town or area code in chan50 Apr 03 20:20:49 SIM implemented a special carrier name display that had this info under the network name Apr 03 20:21:25 menu item usually called "display homezone" or sth Apr 03 20:24:06 I'm geting this dbus message: dbus.Array([], signature=dbus.Signature('y')) Apr 03 20:24:56 DocScrutinizer, I do not know python, but I added: print 'Message: \'%s\'' % pdumsg" Apr 03 20:25:07 and it show me that output Apr 03 20:25:18 umm, could you paste a full dbus-monitor for the relevant msg? Apr 03 20:25:41 in sesstion or system mode? Apr 03 20:25:50 errr Apr 03 20:26:11 bus = dbus.SystemBus() Apr 03 20:28:21 DocScrutinizer, here is: http://pastebin.com/Di58VvgY Apr 03 20:30:20 looks like unpatched libsms Apr 03 20:31:21 I uninstalled and installed widget again Apr 03 20:31:40 please simply "install" libsms.so Apr 03 20:32:03 $ md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0.distrib Apr 03 20:32:03 fff53e239c8a46c97015a8ef78f9e7ad /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 Apr 03 20:32:03 6d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0.distrib Apr 03 20:32:10 first check your current version via md5sum though Apr 03 20:32:16 heh :-D Apr 03 20:33:15 jonwil Apr 03 20:33:50 is anyone here using cssu-testing? Apr 03 20:34:12 o| Apr 03 20:34:14 Pali: i get same output as yours on both libsms.. Apr 03 20:34:29 good evening Apr 03 20:34:37 vi__: pretty much everyone in here uses cssu-testing Apr 03 20:34:42 I do not belive, not it started working Apr 03 20:34:53 :P Apr 03 20:34:59 I restarted 3 times csd Apr 03 20:35:00 I assumed so! but assumptions make... Apr 03 20:35:09 me look like a dick Apr 03 20:35:10 Pali: ?? Apr 03 20:35:16 not it started? Apr 03 20:35:36 I killed 3 times csd daemon Apr 03 20:35:46 has anyone noticed any strange behaviour with respect to lock/unlocking of device? Apr 03 20:35:55 and after then I got messages Apr 03 20:36:00 oooh Apr 03 20:36:06 so NOW it started Apr 03 20:36:20 vi__ strange as in? Apr 03 20:36:27 Pali: it didn't ask for a reboot when installing? iirc it does Apr 03 20:36:42 that is sometimes it takes 2 presses of the lock to unlock Apr 03 20:36:47 Pali: sure you'll need a reboot or at least a restart of all services that use libsms.so Apr 03 20:37:03 vi__, you mean the power button? Apr 03 20:37:15 as if the screen is dark but not really locked then the first press locks it. Apr 03 20:37:17 DocScrutinizer, I reinstalled widget in weekend too + rebooted phone Apr 03 20:37:31 and that day it does not worked Apr 03 20:37:31 freemangordon: no, slide switch at side Apr 03 20:37:51 vi__: I occasionally see that Apr 03 20:37:58 mmm Apr 03 20:38:03 seems I found problem why widget showing @@@@@@ Apr 03 20:38:03 vi__, that sounds like a norml behaviour Apr 03 20:38:17 indeed, never thought it's related to cssu Apr 03 20:38:48 there is missing one memset(pdu, 0, sizeof(pdu)); Apr 03 20:38:52 odd, it only started happening recently. cssu being the only thing I had updated suggested I should ask. Apr 03 20:39:22 if the deivce isn't locked you should be able to tap the screen even if blank Apr 03 20:39:26 elusive bug, I WILL SMASH U Apr 03 20:39:40 that it never hit my mind doesn't mean it's actually unrelated Apr 03 20:39:47 sure Apr 03 20:39:51 freemangordon: that depends if you have autolock on/off Apr 03 20:40:04 yeah Apr 03 20:40:30 and I think there are independent timers for lock and dim Apr 03 20:40:38 and another one for predim Apr 03 20:40:48 i have a widget for toggling it. which was adding another layer of unknown on the problem. Apr 03 20:40:57 DocScrutinizer: yes Apr 03 20:41:04 vi__, what is the expected behaviour? Apr 03 20:41:26 Pali: sounds good :) Apr 03 20:41:45 or maybe not :-( Apr 03 20:41:52 anyway, good luck to all of you, keep on hacking, while I'm out for a beer Apr 03 20:42:12 DocScrutinizer: want some news that will surely ruin your day before that beer? :) Apr 03 20:42:23 ugh Apr 03 20:42:36 javispedro: enlighten us :D Apr 03 20:42:42 http://lwn.net/Articles/490413/ (not for the faint of heart!) Apr 03 20:42:43 wakelocks in main? Apr 03 20:42:44 systemd and udev merge? Apr 03 20:42:48 NIN101: bingo! Apr 03 20:43:00 WAAAH Apr 03 20:43:03 i thought wakelocks already went in Apr 03 20:43:15 freemangordon: i expect:press unlock button. Phone unlocks. Apr 03 20:43:23 ShadowJK: :nod: Apr 03 20:43:45 i get:press unlock. nothing. press unlock again, phone unlocks. Apr 03 20:43:45 vi__: if it's locked, only Apr 03 20:44:00 if it's unlocked, lockslider will lock Apr 03 20:44:19 "Distributions not wishing to adopt systemd can build udev pretty much Apr 03 20:44:19 the same way as before, however should then use the systemd tarball Apr 03 20:44:19 instead of the udev tarball and package only what is necessary of the Apr 03 20:44:19 resulting build." Apr 03 20:44:59 I guess I have to fork my own main Apr 03 20:45:06 until he gets tired of it and puts systemd on initrd too Apr 03 20:45:16 I'll call it scrotux Apr 03 20:45:19 ;-P Apr 03 20:45:57 in a few months dbus-daemon will be a systemd plugin Apr 03 20:46:00 "The udev built from the systemd source tree will stay compatible with non-systemd init systems for a long time." "for a long time..." => one day the day will come... Apr 03 20:46:21 cause, dbus-daemon does autoactivation of services! it clearly shares a lot of code with systemd. Apr 03 20:46:33 in a few months somebody will kill poettering Apr 03 20:47:52 I ponder what kind of IPC will I run in a few months, will it be now-in-the-kernel Android Binder? Some systemd plugin? Place your bets! Apr 03 20:49:14 after all, we don't have to go on the red hat road, one can live perfectly without pulseaudio, avahi, systemd and even udev actually. Apr 03 20:49:32 not true :( Apr 03 20:49:43 on gnome2 it was only a few parts depending on PA Apr 03 20:49:58 but half of gnome3 depends on systemd, the other half on PA, and all of it on udev Apr 03 20:50:16 then don't use gnome3 if you don't like that :P Apr 03 20:51:04 so I will be kept on gnome2 forever, then end up hating all DEs and ranting all day :( Apr 03 20:52:03 Any hardware experst here? Regarding screen/digitizer/ Apr 03 20:52:12 since they dropped HAL, even getting rid of udev is probably hard Apr 03 20:52:24 the fun thing is that udev's role has been reduced to basically HAL's... Apr 03 20:52:45 lets all use mdev Apr 03 20:52:53 though why not simply use emacs? Apr 03 20:53:00 devtmpfs, which is on the kernel, works very well Apr 03 20:53:05 I'm sure it has systemd somewhere in its codebase :D Apr 03 20:53:55 devfs -> udev -> hal -> udev -> udev (~= hal) -> devtmpfs (~= devfs) Apr 03 20:54:15 In this repo is my two changes (do not show @@@@ and fix updating operator name) for cbs widget: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget Apr 03 20:54:25 can somebody compile it? Apr 03 20:54:50 Now I do not have scratchbox for compiling Apr 03 20:55:45 javispedro: cronological evolution? Apr 03 20:55:50 or what does that graph contain? Apr 03 20:55:58 merlin1991: cronological Apr 03 20:56:27 it's not accurate though (hal and udev's roles are not the same by any margin) Apr 03 20:56:42 but I find it funny that we end up at the same place as in the early 2000s. Apr 03 21:04:49 merlin1991, let me know when you create/re tvout l10n Apr 03 21:07:38 Pali: I can build it, FREMANTLE_ARMEL target? Apr 03 21:07:50 yes Apr 03 21:08:03 but you also need some dependences from cssu Apr 03 21:08:08 ah :( Apr 03 21:08:47 https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev Apr 03 21:09:00 this package should be enought I think Apr 03 21:11:56 uh, shlibdeps is broken Apr 03 21:12:34 why does libconnui-dev ship _actual library binaries_? Apr 03 21:13:09 in any case, this means someone needs to uncomment the dh_makeshlibs call in rules Apr 03 21:15:23 Pali: http://depot.javispedro.com/temp/ Apr 03 21:16:15 thanks! Apr 03 21:18:53 javispedro: because the library binaires are only avaiable on device Apr 03 21:19:01 but not in a package for the scratchbox Apr 03 21:19:15 so linking with headers only is afaik not that easy :D Apr 03 21:19:24 merlin1991: but does the license allow this? Apr 03 21:19:46 merlin1991: if so, I'm all for it.. but please remember to uncomment dh_makeshlibs Apr 03 21:20:17 jonwil did the package with the famous exception for nokia binaries on tmo in mind Apr 03 21:20:27 ah Apr 03 21:20:28 strictly speaking the license does not allow this Apr 03 21:20:34 will ping him next time then Apr 03 21:20:56 (without makeshlibs the package might be unusable on e.g. autobuilder) Apr 03 21:21:35 unless there's a on-device package that does that and I can't see it on sbox :P Apr 03 21:39:42 javispedro, thanks very much! my patches working Apr 03 21:39:57 merlin1991, can I megre my changes to cssu git? Apr 03 21:40:25 is it the string compare for 5 @? Apr 03 21:40:40 yes Apr 03 21:41:15 see both changes: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget/commits/master Apr 03 21:41:17 and you think it really is bogus information from the network and nothing wrong elsewhere? Apr 03 21:41:45 merlin1991, I do not know where is problem, but dbus-monitor showed me empty array Apr 03 21:42:00 I think that there is some memory bug Apr 03 21:42:17 or sms-*.c code changing it to @@@.... Apr 03 21:42:33 at least everybody who had problems, got only a lot of @@@@@@.... Apr 03 21:43:07 so basicly the widget should ignore those? Apr 03 21:43:27 I think yes Apr 03 21:43:35 merge away :) Apr 03 21:44:24 Ok, I will push changes to cssu repo Apr 03 21:45:43 done Apr 03 21:46:36 there is one problem with this package: when I use dpkg -P widget... it remove both patched and unpatched libsms.so* libraries Apr 03 21:46:51 so this must be fixed before pushing package to cssu!!! Apr 03 21:47:24 removing libsms library can be fixed by reinstalling libsms0 package from nokia repo Apr 03 21:48:01 hm that indeed is bad Apr 03 21:48:21 I will fix it in next days Apr 03 21:48:30 now I'm going offline, bye Apr 03 22:11:55 hi Apr 03 22:12:14 yw Pali Apr 03 22:12:16 installed just dropbear ssh client but cant find "ssh" Apr 03 22:12:34 Vib3: you can use dpkg -L to find the list of files a package installed Apr 03 22:12:57 maybe you can find some other binary in /usr/bin Apr 03 22:14:53 k Apr 03 22:15:20 but theres not "ssh" or dropbeard bin, hmmm Apr 03 22:15:42 btw, I suggest you skip dropbear and use openssh directly Apr 03 22:16:00 you can reduce ssh memory usage (like disabling privilege separation) if that's what concerns you Apr 03 22:16:17 with bare dropbear, you won't even have sftp-server Apr 03 22:16:34 k, just tried to try dropbear :p Apr 03 22:16:40 openssh is good Apr 03 22:17:05 dropbear is mostly for platforms that are way more "embedded" than ours ;) Apr 03 22:17:46 needed to flash so reinstalling software here.. Apr 03 22:17:56 javispedro: indeed Apr 03 22:18:12 hmm but can't find openssh in repos Apr 03 22:18:59 ??? Apr 03 22:19:40 t900:~# apt-cache search openssh Apr 03 22:19:41 libssl0.9.8 - SSL shared libraries Apr 03 22:19:41 added extras, e-devel and e-testing but not found Apr 03 22:19:43 openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement Apr 03 22:19:44 openssh-common - Common files fro ssh server and client Apr 03 22:19:46 openssh-client - Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement Apr 03 22:19:47 openssh - Secure shell client and server Apr 03 22:20:41 t900:~# apt-cache policy openssh Apr 03 22:20:42 openssh: Apr 03 22:20:44 Installed: 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 Apr 03 22:20:50 yea Apr 03 22:20:55 *** 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 0 Apr 03 22:20:56 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Apr 03 22:21:04 DocScrutinizer: thx :D Apr 03 22:21:39 app manager didn't show it cos I typed "ssh", it just showed dropbear SSH things Apr 03 22:21:43 lolled Apr 03 22:23:32 but found it now using "openssh" Apr 03 22:24:01 "*" helps a lot Apr 03 22:24:38 apt-cache search '.*ssh.*' Apr 03 22:24:40 I thought it would search that string inside strings by default :p Apr 03 22:24:46 k Apr 03 22:25:03 cos I do things always like that :p Apr 03 22:25:44 now to sleeep Apr 03 22:25:52 samesame Apr 03 22:25:56 o/ Apr 03 22:25:57 thx & bye! -> Apr 03 22:27:49 heh that typing "ssh" and then not finding openssh thing happened to me last week :) Apr 03 22:29:06 seriously, HAM is completly useless Apr 03 22:29:52 "oh, you clicked a button? please let me update the package list! you know, this MUST be done everytime you do sometning" Apr 03 22:30:21 and the fact that I've devel activated atm didn't really make the situation better Apr 03 22:31:56 great, now it stopped working completly Apr 03 22:32:48 where is the mirrorlist.d or whatever it's named in apt/n900? Apr 03 22:42:04 FIQ: indeed, though there's some code that's supposed to help with that particular problem. Usually it should update only after 2h or sth, not faster Apr 03 22:42:23 but the code stinks, and obviously because it's rotten Apr 03 22:43:25 is there a solution for this? I prefer the CLI, but the GUI has a more nice way to scroll a list of applications Apr 03 22:43:42 I'd hope CSSU HAM eventually will fix this particular flaw Apr 03 22:43:51 like now when I tried to find "faster application manager", searching for faster yielded... nothing Apr 03 22:44:03 pr at least not what I wanted Apr 03 22:44:31 DocScrutinizer: okay Apr 03 22:44:52 btw, why does it randomly empties the repository list and refuse to work? Apr 03 22:44:53 FIQ: have you tried the "Faster Application Manager" (fapman)? Apr 03 22:44:58 (like now) Apr 03 22:45:16 i have Apr 03 22:45:18 00:43:51 < FIQ> like now when I tried to find "faster application manager", searching for faster yielded... nothing Apr 03 22:45:28 wiped as I flashed some months ago Apr 03 22:45:33 thanks for the name Apr 03 22:45:46 you however should document it by stat'ing the "or whatever it's called list" several times during using HAM, then open a ticket against CSSU HAM Apr 03 22:46:30