**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 08 03:00:01 2012 Apr 08 05:47:56 hm Apr 08 05:48:00 new cssu Apr 08 05:48:02 nice Apr 08 05:48:20 and a new power kernel Apr 08 05:58:05 is there a changelog? :) Apr 08 06:02:07 zoom functionality? :) Apr 08 07:36:35 Hello,I'm installing neopwn to my n900 ,i extract the w00t.tar.gz to /home/user/.neopwn and what should i edit the /opt/neopwn/control-panel-ui/etc/conf.py Apr 08 08:20:44 anyone in here have info relating to backupmenu and mutiboot? Apr 08 08:21:43 the following thread suggests that there has been work toward to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67866 Apr 08 08:22:12 but I was hoping for something that I can install via apt-get rather than messing around with dpkg Apr 08 08:22:44 * joshgillies has been away from the Maemo scene for a while now and needs to catch up Apr 08 08:24:23 You've heard about the n1000? It's got KDE! Apr 08 08:24:30 * SpeedEvil mehs at reality. Apr 08 08:26:00 SpeedEvil the plasma active tablet? Apr 08 08:26:20 Actually - that too, Apr 08 08:26:25 which is interesting. Apr 08 08:30:53 I may not actually buy that, but I'm donating $50ish if I don't Apr 08 09:45:07 I want to resize MyDocs, and then create an ext3 partition of 4GB for Easy Debian: can I just connect MyDocs in massstorage and then use Gparted? Apr 08 09:47:43 drive-by asker :S Apr 08 09:48:19 SpeedEvil: I suppose it's interesting if we can put maemo on it Apr 08 09:48:26 Which should be possible since it uses Mer, afaik Apr 08 09:49:03 NIN101 you mean me? I couldn't make that up from the wiki Apr 08 10:03:13 Hi, on my n900 I got some problems with hildon-home, or something linked to it. Yesterday late at night I was going to bed, so I started to sign out of skype and facebook on both my phone and my computer. Now whenever the phone is turned on it gets spammed with these notification windows (the yellow ones that leads to a chatwindow if I press it). Apr 08 10:03:22 I tried rebooting the phone, but it keeps doing it. Apr 08 10:03:40 I thought about waiting for it to stop, but it loops through the same messages again and again. Apr 08 10:03:58 Deleting the particular chat? Apr 08 10:04:00 I thought about clearing the chathistory that spams the phone, but it keeps spamming notification Apr 08 10:04:40 It actually renders the phone pretty useless Apr 08 10:04:51 As hildon-home is eating up 100% CPU Apr 08 10:05:36 Weird, I guess it can't help you further, sorry. Apr 08 10:05:47 okay, thanks anyway Apr 08 10:11:55 I would have fixed it with reflash, or try to delete the whole eventdb Apr 08 10:16:02 MrOpposite: I assume you can't ssh in? Apr 08 10:20:17 psycho_oreos: pong Apr 08 10:22:45 NIN101: indeed Apr 08 10:24:59 ~drive-by asker is somebody who fires a question at IRQ, then vanishes before anybody could answer Apr 08 10:24:59 DocScrutinizer: okay Apr 08 10:25:25 ~forget drive-by asker Apr 08 10:25:26 DocScrutinizer: i forgot drive-by asker Apr 08 10:25:32 ~drive-by asker is somebody who fires a question at IRC, then vanishes before anybody could answer Apr 08 10:25:33 okay, DocScrutinizer Apr 08 10:25:59 sorry i was afk Apr 08 10:26:17 SpeedEvil I can start the xterminal on the device itself, so I can probably ssh in Apr 08 10:27:00 The device is not useless per sé, but I cant use it as a phone in the state it's in. Apr 08 10:27:02 Eventdb Apr 08 10:27:14 I'm gonna look into what that is Apr 08 10:28:36 find ~user -iname '*vents*' Apr 08 10:29:06 find ~user -iname '*vent*' Apr 08 10:29:10 even Apr 08 10:30:12 or maybe not Apr 08 10:30:35 * DocScrutinizer should shutup and get coffee and aspirin Apr 08 10:33:05 Thanks anyway DocScrutinizer Apr 08 10:34:03 wait a bit, SpeedEvil will eventually pick up. dunno what he had in mind Apr 08 10:34:13 where i can find change log of this update ? Apr 08 10:34:54 where can I find your definition of "this update" Apr 08 10:35:34 I'm not sure. Apr 08 10:35:46 apt-get remove the facebook thingy? Apr 08 10:35:47 aaah, are you the famous guy who asked the third time "what's new in this update" on CSSU tmo thread? Apr 08 10:36:18 DocScrutinizer: newest :) update manager just show me that thereis a new update of cssu Apr 08 10:36:24 DocScrutinizer: no, it's not me :D Apr 08 10:36:51 I could try Apr 08 10:36:59 (Well it's skype but anyway) Apr 08 10:37:13 juozapas: anyway, you're in an infamous row. don't you know and never heard of cssu wiki? Apr 08 10:37:50 my 2 cents : MrOpposite, disabling the chat account doesn't help? Apr 08 10:38:00 k, thx DocScrutinizer Apr 08 10:38:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Apr 08 10:39:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Changelog Apr 08 10:39:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable Apr 08 10:40:39 Abissom just tried to uninstall the chatpluginenginethingi Apr 08 10:40:45 rebooting phone now Apr 08 10:41:04 hmm, :/ Apr 08 10:42:11 I hate when this happens... It usually means I have to merge together all my contacts... again Apr 08 10:44:42 MrPingu_: for partitioning we generally use Bootmenu (or something else that exposes whole emmc via usb) Apr 08 10:45:14 Darnit... still giving me notifications Apr 08 10:45:22 i used BackupMenu to repartition mine Apr 08 10:45:36 I just discovered that, thanks anyway Abissom Apr 08 10:46:07 kewl Apr 08 10:46:21 Hmm, why is my original nick in use? IRC is acting on me =( Apr 08 10:46:22 anyway what are those windows called? Apr 08 10:46:33 Notifications bubbles? Apr 08 10:46:37 the notification thingies? I don't know what keywords to google Apr 08 10:47:03 hmm, isn't bubbles the little yellow thingies that pop up in the top of the screen? Apr 08 10:47:27 The notification thingies I'm talking about look like real windows when you go to the screen-selector Apr 08 10:47:41 (with the exception of being yellow) Apr 08 10:47:44 I know what you mean Apr 08 10:48:09 I would guess just notification windows Apr 08 10:48:19 yea I'm googleing that now Apr 08 10:49:08 oh hells yeah Apr 08 10:49:10 bloodsport Apr 08 10:49:14 van damme classic Apr 08 10:50:50 3000 new messages atm Apr 08 10:50:52 and rising Apr 08 10:51:08 Can't find your problem Apr 08 10:51:10 And it's the same messages, over, and over, and over... Apr 08 10:51:51 Did you try logging in, logging out, removing account, enabling account again?? Apr 08 10:52:03 uhm, I tried logging in and out Apr 08 10:52:06 removing account Apr 08 10:52:11 not enabeling it Apr 08 10:52:18 enabling* Apr 08 10:52:34 3000 messages? lol Apr 08 10:52:36 MrOpposite: a) spam attack b) IM account and messaging prog problem c) notification infra problem Apr 08 10:52:37 Are you attached to your messages? Apr 08 10:53:03 MrPingu_ not really Apr 08 10:53:17 maybe you are somehow managing to loop your messages :) Apr 08 10:53:29 Macer yes... thats my problem Apr 08 10:53:31 * SpeedEvil remembers 1996. When he got to 8% of his ISPs inbound mail stream. Apr 08 10:53:34 it loops the same messages Apr 08 10:53:41 what are you using? Apr 08 10:53:43 it loops a conversation over and over... Apr 08 10:53:48 is this IM or email? Apr 08 10:53:50 Uhm, the built in skype client Apr 08 10:54:02 MrOpposite: what IS the msg anyway? Apr 08 10:54:04 do you have some weird jabber thing set up to get the skype msgs? Apr 08 10:54:07 - I had started posting to usenet using email ID per message. This was before spam took off. Then spam took off. Apr 08 10:54:21 where it forwards it somehow Apr 08 10:54:30 turn off all forwarding on your skype acct :) and see if that fixes it Apr 08 10:54:33 DocScrutinizer Uhm, its a conversation about what happened on a train? Apr 08 10:55:01 Hmm I think rtcom-eventlogger is playing up?? Apr 08 10:55:02 so normal inbound chat notification that gets duplicated over and over again? Apr 08 10:55:07 you are probably double forwarding and causing a flood of msgs Apr 08 10:55:24 DocScrutinizer yea Apr 08 10:55:30 Macer I removed the skype account Apr 08 10:55:45 guess that will do the trick too heh Apr 08 10:55:47 it still spam me Apr 08 10:55:57 turn off email notifications on skype as well Apr 08 10:56:05 :) Apr 08 10:56:17 I dont have email notification on skype? Apr 08 10:56:39 no? they don't forward missed txts to email? weird. thought they did Apr 08 10:56:51 oh wait. these are skype IMs? Apr 08 10:56:58 yea it's skype IMs Apr 08 10:57:26 first of all: stop skype Apr 08 10:57:36 in terminal Apr 08 10:57:52 didn't have any skyhost running Apr 08 10:57:52 sorry I can't help there as I refuse to touch skype Apr 08 10:57:54 well.. it's looping somehow. awesome trick. if you find out how you did it let me know heh Apr 08 10:57:59 so I guess it's off Apr 08 10:58:19 i would say maybe you added yourself as a contact and it just ran amok? Apr 08 10:58:25 (my skype account doesn't exist in my phone anymore Apr 08 10:58:28 MrPingu_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Using_GParted_-_Resizing_made_simple Apr 08 10:58:35 Macer it happened when I signed out of skype Apr 08 10:58:41 when I was going to bed last night Apr 08 10:58:50 and it kept sending IMs with the acct disabled? Apr 08 10:58:50 not when I was adding contacts or anything Apr 08 10:58:56 or removed? Apr 08 10:58:59 or kept sending emails? Apr 08 10:59:00 You could mv -r /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ /some/backup/location/ Apr 08 10:59:28 that's the strangest thing i ever heard of heh Apr 08 10:59:50 i used skype for quite a while and never ran into that problem.. but i got rid of it on my n900 and only use it for a home number Apr 08 10:59:57 mostly because skype is a battery whore Apr 08 11:00:26 reboot and see if you still get spammed... Apr 08 11:00:26 and txting working in a stupid fashion Apr 08 11:00:40 Oh Apr 08 11:00:48 MrPingu_ i removed it, gonna try reboot now Apr 08 11:00:52 That command moves the conversations database to some other location Apr 08 11:01:51 You could also do rm -r but if it doesn't help, you can't restore... Apr 08 11:02:06 speaking of the n900 Apr 08 11:02:10 has anybody tried nemo? Apr 08 11:02:14 nope Apr 08 11:02:24 still spamming Apr 08 11:02:28 ouch heh Apr 08 11:02:33 I mean I got one email notification Apr 08 11:02:42 one missed call notification Apr 08 11:02:56 and 4000 skype IM (looped) notifications Apr 08 11:03:03 so it's only the skype conversation that loops Apr 08 11:03:04 LOL... wtf? Apr 08 11:03:16 i wonder if you don't need some 'dbus' thing.. monitor what exactly is happening Apr 08 11:03:32 dbus-monitor? Apr 08 11:03:33 this is with the acct removed from the n900? Apr 08 11:03:50 yes the acc is removed Apr 08 11:03:57 yeah.. i admit i'm not even sure how that will help Apr 08 11:04:10 you did go into conversations and delete the actual conversation right? Apr 08 11:04:10 Do you have some notification plugin installed? Apr 08 11:04:23 not... that I know of, no Apr 08 11:04:38 Well then you probably don't have;) Apr 08 11:05:39 also, htop might be handy.. showing you which process is causing this Apr 08 11:06:03 top or htop? Apr 08 11:06:17 Thanks NIN101 I found out that bootmenu also has usbmassstorage support =) Apr 08 11:06:26 any, although i use htop mostly Apr 08 11:06:30 guess htop Apr 08 11:06:49 anyway Apr 08 11:07:02 When I was top-ing before Apr 08 11:07:10 hildon-home used all available CPU Apr 08 11:07:25 kill it as user, not root Apr 08 11:08:16 hmm, you have cssu? if so, which flavor? Apr 08 11:08:36 uhm Apr 08 11:08:41 cssu? Apr 08 11:08:46 I'd suspect /usr/bin/hildon-sv-notification-daemon, killall -sigstop hildon-sv-notification-daemon Apr 08 11:10:29 you also may want to mv /home/user/.osso/rtcom-notification-ui.data /home/user/.osso/rtcom-notification-ui.data__away Apr 08 11:11:08 ~cssu Apr 08 11:11:09 it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 08 11:11:49 honestly I don't exactly see an easy way to recover from that, as those notifiers need interactive ack, no? Apr 08 11:12:07 and what got cssu to do with this? Apr 08 11:12:35 I moved the rtcom ui-thingi away Apr 08 11:12:51 aswell as killed the hildon-sv-notification-daemon (several times) Apr 08 11:12:58 and killed hildon-home Apr 08 11:13:03 should I reboot the device again? Apr 08 11:13:38 you mustn't kill those processes, as they either cause reboot or will be started again immediately Apr 08 11:14:00 yea Apr 08 11:14:10 well hildon-home crash itself after some time Apr 08 11:14:20 killall hildon-home might help after renaming all those *db Apr 08 11:14:20 and start all over again with the spamming of messages Apr 08 11:14:58 I bet hildonhome crashes when trying to show zillions of notifiers Apr 08 11:15:06 probably Apr 08 11:15:30 I moved away the .osso-folder Apr 08 11:15:37 didn't work either Apr 08 11:15:54 dang! Apr 08 11:16:09 I never looked into all that, so I got no clear idea which processes are involved in notifier popup. Others here might be more experienced Apr 08 11:16:51 but what I seem to know is that notifieres are stored in a db Apr 08 11:17:14 so renaming all suspect ones, then rebooting should at least stop the madness Apr 08 11:19:08 my fav candidates for renaming: /home/user/.osso/rtcom-notification-ui.data /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/notifications.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db-journal Apr 08 11:19:59 killall -SIGSTOP hildon-home etc Apr 08 11:20:06 SIGSTOP!!! Apr 08 11:20:26 then rename, then immediately reboot Apr 08 11:21:19 you know you sigstop'ed the right process when the madness stops and no more new notifiers pop up Apr 08 11:21:36 sigstop on hildon-home stopped the madness... Apr 08 11:21:39 hmm Apr 08 11:22:44 renaming important folders MAY not have been such a good idea after all... Apr 08 11:22:55 possibly stopping certain proceses may trigger watchdog reboot after 30..60s Apr 08 11:23:30 Anyway, I think i need to reflash the device now Apr 08 11:24:08 (I went bananaz in my quest to stop the madness, and renamed pretty much every config folder there was... now the device refuses to start) Apr 08 11:24:08 i think you don't, but it may be quickest way to recover Apr 08 11:24:27 also you should make sure you got a "plan B" backdoor, like backupmenu. So if your renaming causes any bootloop, you could revert to prev state via that Apr 08 11:25:11 uhm, maybe if someone told me that earlier :P Apr 08 11:25:12 anyway Apr 08 11:25:26 Let's hope it solves itself after a reflasg Apr 08 11:25:30 reflash* Apr 08 11:25:36 unlikely Apr 08 11:25:53 I'd be REALLY suprised if it doesn't solve it Apr 08 11:26:10 I mean factory restore Apr 08 11:26:22 I suspect a hickup in one of the databases. and reflashing COMBINED won't touch your user $HOME so won't restore the db either Apr 08 11:27:59 did flasher3.5 work with windows 7? Apr 08 11:28:07 even while the X server maybe won't start when you've hidden some essential .config, I'd still expect wlan and ssh to come up and work Apr 08 11:28:09 I think I remember reading somewhere that it doesn't Apr 08 11:28:28 DocScrutinizer it's stuck in the 5 white dots loadingscreen Apr 08 11:28:39 :nod: Apr 08 11:29:04 at that point a lot of services not related to hildon may already run Apr 08 11:29:16 okay Apr 08 11:29:20 MrOpposite: NIN101 worked on a very useful RescueOS. you might try it Apr 08 11:29:29 indeed Apr 08 11:29:42 where do I find it? Apr 08 11:30:05 http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ Apr 08 11:31:59 thanks Apr 08 11:32:53 afk Apr 08 11:33:05 * DocScrutinizer waves Apr 08 11:33:08 NIN101, can you add to rescue os option to recreate /dev/console, /dev/tty, /dev/zero and /dev/null ? Apr 08 11:34:39 uhm what does the n900 pull from the usbport when the data-pins are shorted? Apr 08 11:34:51 ?? Apr 08 11:35:13 As in how much milli ampere Apr 08 11:35:25 max ~1000 Apr 08 11:35:47 don't charge the phone from PC usb using RescueOS (or BackupMenu) Apr 08 11:35:47 Okay Apr 08 11:35:47 usually less Apr 08 11:36:07 Sicelo yea I read about that Apr 08 11:36:23 but what I mean is, I have a usb-cable that shorted the data-pins Apr 08 11:36:29 to emulate a wall-charger Apr 08 11:36:55 * DocScrutinizer wonders if should tell robbiethe1st about how to tweak charger script to draw max 500mA Apr 08 11:36:58 (So I can charge my phone in my computer while the computer is in sleep-mode and only giving power through the usb-ports, not communicating Apr 08 11:37:38 MrOpposite: odds are in worst case that'll fry your PC Apr 08 11:38:08 though that's a problem in PC then, as USB is defined as shortcircuit safe Apr 08 11:38:18 okay Apr 08 11:38:57 Will it fry because of doing it over time, or fry the moment I try it? Apr 08 11:39:07 Because I've been doing that for like 2 months Apr 08 11:39:21 a friggin *lot* of other devices doesn't care at all about this particular problem: USB mug heater, 3.5" USB HDD etc pp Apr 08 11:39:50 after 2 months you can consider it tested and working ;-) Apr 08 11:39:57 okay, cool Apr 08 11:40:28 (I always have my laptop in my backpack in sleepmode, so that's like a HUGE batterypack for my n900) Apr 08 11:41:24 anyway, now I'm gonna flash my phone :P Apr 08 11:41:34 not many PC can provide even full 500mA to USB during sleep Apr 08 11:42:46 man how did this work again? Apr 08 11:42:56 (the boot into flash-mode) Apr 08 11:43:07 first real poweroff (no usb) Apr 08 11:43:17 Could someone link me to a guide? Apr 08 11:43:23 oh wait Apr 08 11:43:25 nvm someone did Apr 08 11:50:23 NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. Apr 08 11:50:39 Uhm, my curious mind wants to know why :P Apr 08 11:56:01 because flashing eMMC deletes /opt, and during first boot of a proper rootfs it will get autogenerated (aka optified) again Apr 08 11:56:11 MrOpposite: ^^^ Apr 08 11:56:37 ah, okay Apr 08 11:56:43 thanks Apr 08 11:56:48 yw Apr 08 11:58:03 NB this happens *very* rapidly during first boot, so you might think "it hasn't booted yet" but actually you already ruined the virgin rootfs, so after flashing eMMC it won't boot anymore Apr 08 11:58:50 on the bright side you *always* can flash rootfs/COMBINED as last step, and it will always result in a working (=optifying) system Apr 08 11:58:58 Pali: hmm, I think I can, yes. Apr 08 11:59:06 okay Apr 08 11:59:13 not... this shit again Apr 08 11:59:14 no matter in which sequence you flashed COMBINED and VANILLA before Apr 08 11:59:16 MAN Apr 08 11:59:56 My computer i flashed the n900 with before Apr 08 12:00:00 is not booting anymore Apr 08 12:00:06 :-S Apr 08 12:00:14 dang, you got the gremlins today Apr 08 12:00:27 this computer runs windows 7 64-bit and don't run flasher-3.5 properly Apr 08 12:00:39 well... Apr 08 12:00:40 nfc anout winlose Apr 08 12:00:48 about, even Apr 08 12:00:55 let's install flasher-3.5 on my 3rd computer Apr 08 12:00:58 with linux Apr 08 12:01:04 good idea Apr 08 12:01:08 \o/ Apr 08 12:01:12 I thought someone made livecd for flashing purposes Apr 08 12:01:49 this, though a briliant idea, hasn't happened yet afaik Apr 08 12:02:01 * DocScrutinizer wonders if should tell robbiethe1st about how to tweak charger script to draw max 500mA <-- I am interested in that too (charge21.sh) so I can autostart it in rescueOS which should be very useful. Apr 08 12:02:27 some nice knopix with proper flasher3.5 and all the COMBINED and VANILLA imgs Apr 08 12:03:00 NIN101: ok, wait a minute, I'll pick out the one-char "patch" for you Apr 08 12:05:06 man, if it weren't for cygwin, I wouldn't be able to use my windowscomputer Apr 08 12:05:09 at.. all Apr 08 12:05:50 Next time I buy a computer I'm gonna check that I can actually use the GFX-card with linux... Apr 08 12:11:15 what gfx cards are still sold that don't work with linux? Apr 08 12:12:47 villager well, ATI-cards :P Apr 08 12:13:00 Technically it works Apr 08 12:13:25 MrOpposite: hmm, I have ATI on my desktop, and run linux... Apr 08 12:14:00 yea, well, it might have came out some drivers latley Apr 08 12:14:23 but I don't have enough harddrive space to back up my data before attepmting to install linux on it again Apr 08 12:15:23 NIN101: see line 48...50 for rationale Apr 08 12:15:23 then again, I suppose the ATI card I have isn't the newest anymore, I guess the newest ones might not work Apr 08 12:16:29 NIN101: avoid setting reg01 to 88 or c8 Apr 08 12:17:48 but that must mean my computer isn't top-end anymore... maybe I gotta upgrade... argh Apr 08 12:17:49 NIN101: 11: i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x4c # 500mA limit, 3.4V weak threshold, enable term, charger disable Apr 08 12:18:18 there we go Apr 08 12:18:44 let's se how the phone feels after THIS fix! Apr 08 12:18:51 *evil laughter* Apr 08 12:19:03 uhm Apr 08 12:19:06 without "er" Apr 08 12:19:20 NIN101: see 57: Apr 08 12:19:49 NIN101: comment 84:...90: Apr 08 12:20:25 NIN101: that's it, I hope Apr 08 12:20:29 untested Apr 08 12:20:42 uhm Apr 08 12:20:46 why doesn't it boot up Apr 08 12:20:48 NIN101: comments & patches apply to http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt Apr 08 12:20:48 it should boot up Apr 08 12:20:58 thanks DocScrutinizer, looking into it Apr 08 12:21:15 THERE Apr 08 12:21:16 nvm Apr 08 12:22:52 man Apr 08 12:22:52 NIN101: maybe I feel like doing a lil fancy today and write a more 'nifty' script, for the shits'n giggles Apr 08 12:22:57 This sucks Apr 08 12:23:03 where you can set max charge via parameter Apr 08 12:23:19 that would be cool stuff. Apr 08 12:23:35 OMG Apr 08 12:23:38 THE MADNESS STOPPED! Apr 08 12:23:46 INCREDIBLE Apr 08 12:24:03 well Apr 08 12:24:08 I hit it with a sledgehammer and it actually stopped!1!!1!!!1!1 Apr 08 12:24:09 Now all my contacts are gone Apr 08 12:24:25 Maybe I should have thought this trough a bit more Apr 08 12:24:27 ... Apr 08 12:24:31 the result of flashing eMMC Apr 08 12:24:31 I'm waay to impulsive Apr 08 12:24:58 I should get rid of the nitdroid on my memcard Apr 08 12:25:11 and start using those 16 gigs for something useful Apr 08 12:25:14 like all my photos Apr 08 12:27:04 .__ Apr 08 12:27:07 .__.* Apr 08 12:27:19 I think I just sent a textmessage to my mums workphone... Apr 08 12:27:29 anyway Thanks for the help guis Apr 08 12:27:34 guys* Apr 08 12:30:40 yw Apr 08 12:31:19 MrOpposite: (and start using those 16 gigs for something useful) like backups ;-P Apr 08 12:33:28 maybe I should syncronize my phone with my computer some more Apr 08 12:35:16 NIN101: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh Apr 08 12:37:00 is that for n900? Apr 08 12:37:59 DocScrutinizer: thank you. Apr 08 12:42:11 omg Apr 08 12:42:18 Do I actually have a backup Apr 08 12:42:30 I might have an old backup Apr 08 12:47:19 hmm, but I think this script would make the meego kernel panic. The one working uses bq to get the information. Shouldn't be an issue to apply the changes though... Apr 08 12:56:25 indeed Apr 08 13:01:02 NIN101: just check for lines like >>$I2CSET -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0xc8;<<, make sure you don't set register 0x01 to any value 0x8? or 0xc? Apr 08 13:01:22 as those are 800mA resp "unlimited" Apr 08 13:02:41 watching gangster number 1 Apr 08 13:02:48 not too bad of a movie Apr 08 13:12:08 DocScrutinizer: i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x48; \n sleep 1 \n echo -n " 500mA: " $(i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00) <-- i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x48 => what does 0x48 mean (sorry, apparently i2c noob here)? Apr 08 13:13:03 set bus2 reg0x01 to 0x48 Apr 08 13:13:24 the bit meanings of reg01 are "explained" in charge21.sh Apr 08 13:14:11 bit 8:4 (the two msb) are max USB current: 11 is unlimited, 10 is 800mA Apr 08 13:15:22 so setting it to 0100 1000 means: USBlimit:01=500mA, the rest is irrelevant for here Apr 08 13:15:40 bit4 means charger-enabled Apr 08 13:15:49 err bit3 Apr 08 13:16:06 also bit7:6 in above Apr 08 13:16:21 (one-off problem, not yet awake ;-D) Apr 08 13:16:54 bit3:0=0 means "no boostmode" and a few other details Apr 08 13:17:59 bit5:4 is is some threshold, I forgot what it does exactly Apr 08 13:19:10 NIN101: so *whenever* writing to register 01 ( i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 ) make sure the value is < 0b10000000 Apr 08 13:19:50 I.E MSB = 0 Apr 08 13:20:21 NIN101: sufficiently fuzzy and arcane to spoil your day? ;-D Apr 08 13:21:09 yeah xD. Apr 08 13:31:51 #define usb_unlimited 3; #define usb_800mA 2; #define usb_500 1; #define usb_100 0; #define usb_curlim_bitpos 6; #define reg1_usb_mask usb_unlimited << usb_curlim_pos; //set reg1 to 500mA USB:\n reg1&=~reg1_usb_mask //similar thing can be done by i2cset -m parameter; reg1|=usb_500mA< NIN101: ^^^ better? Apr 08 13:35:58 reg1&=~reg1_usb_mask => reg1&=0b00111111 Apr 08 13:36:48 reg1|=usb_500mA< reg1|=0b01000000 Apr 08 13:38:33 = i2cset -y -m 0xc0 2 0x6b 0x01 0x40 Apr 08 13:38:58 or Apr 08 13:39:23 = i2cset -y -m 0b11000000 2 0x6b 0x01 0b01000000 Apr 08 13:45:01 a gotcha in -m: it does an implicit i2cget and then writes all 8 bit after replacing the masked bits in read value by their values from parameter. The catch is that always all 8 bits are written Apr 08 13:45:42 which matters for registers that yield differnt values on read than those you've written to the same register before Apr 08 13:46:07 luckily this doesn't apply for reg1 Apr 08 13:48:30 but it does for e.g. reg0:7 and reg4:7 Apr 08 13:53:51 actually I think the explaining comment about bit meanings in charge21.sh is as confusing as it gets Apr 08 13:57:19 # Register 0x1 Apr 08 13:57:20 # 8: 00 = 100, 01 = 500, 10 = 800mA Apr 08 13:57:22 # 4: 11 = no limit Apr 08 13:57:23 better looks like Apr 08 13:57:25 # 7,6 (0xc0): 00 (0x00 )= 100, 01 (0x40) = 500, 10 (0x80) = 800mA Apr 08 13:57:26 # 11 (0xc0) = no limit Apr 08 14:13:34 lol Apr 08 14:13:59 ?? Apr 08 14:14:29 you're not agreeing? Apr 08 14:14:52 * RST38h moos triumphantly Apr 08 14:15:46 ShadowJK: what's for "lol"? Apr 08 14:15:54 those comments are written for my brain, which converts bits to hex by first adding up first hex digit, in decimal, before converting decimal to hex Apr 08 14:16:01 :P Apr 08 14:16:14 indeed ;-D Apr 08 14:17:58 ShadowJK: could you please proofread changes done in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh Apr 08 14:18:36 The way I add the limit is at the part where it ramps up from 0 to 100 to 500 to 800 to unlimited Apr 08 14:19:00 yeah, I commneted out the 2 last steps Apr 08 14:19:42 btw I guess there's no step_0 Apr 08 14:19:55 lol, the last two steps are already commented out on my local copy Apr 08 14:20:07 hehe Apr 08 14:20:20 well step 0 is at start of config() where charger is disabled Apr 08 14:21:19 not that it matters much (unless you use i2cset -m) but I changed that too, to: Apr 08 14:21:22 # Disable charger for configuration: Apr 08 14:21:24 i2cset -y 2 0x6b 0x01 0x4c # No limit, 3.4V weak threshold, enable term, charger disable Apr 08 14:22:06 should've s/no limit/500 limit/ Apr 08 14:22:53 I disable charging for entering parameters, because the datasheet tells you to do it that way, and because in some circumstances I've noticed that setting some params with charger enabled results in chip throwing fault and resetting Apr 08 14:23:17 sure Apr 08 14:23:25 that's absolutely correct Apr 08 14:23:59 I just felt like setting charger's USBlimit to less than max, even while charger is disabled in same command Apr 08 14:24:15 hm, charge21 has my old valueas for RS and CR Apr 08 14:24:17 hi guys, could someone compile me a source? i have not the sdk Apr 08 14:24:27 it's a translation of the camera ui2 Apr 08 14:25:04 err Apr 08 14:25:11 21/132 is what I use now Apr 08 14:25:37 you probably better ask in #maemo-ssu, I think there's already quite a number of translations and ongoing work Apr 08 14:25:37 but the 132 thing isn't entirely linear throughout a charge for some reason Apr 08 14:26:07 mmm nope becouse in the mo file there arent the functions i translated Apr 08 14:26:11 I think the whole idea to use that impedance for whatever is flawed Apr 08 14:29:08 backtrackmobile: seems we're talking at cross purposes Apr 08 14:29:31 eh ? Apr 08 14:29:34 :D Apr 08 14:30:14 fist of all I got no clue what exactly might be "camera ui2" Apr 08 14:30:23 first* Apr 08 14:31:31 cssu ? Apr 08 14:31:36 ShadowJK: CV in CC/CV means constant voltage at cell incl impedance Apr 08 14:31:50 it's a new camera ui with more features like hd videos etc Apr 08 14:33:05 ShadowJK: not really meant to assume (or calculate) the cell impedance and adjust constant voltage of charger so it compensates that impedance and voltage drop Apr 08 14:33:50 backtrackmobile: well, then it's what we call nikocam over at #maemo-ssu Apr 08 14:34:04 and my comment above still holds Apr 08 14:35:28 is there a decent way to have multiple identities in Modest? Apr 08 14:35:40 i'm there too Apr 08 14:35:53 i wish to change my from address, but not set up a whole second account (i get both addresses forwarded to the same IMAP account) Apr 08 14:36:04 oh it's not about cell impedance Apr 08 14:36:40 BCMM_: not really afaik Apr 08 14:36:42 the cell impedance in my now broken N900 was about 500 anyways :P Apr 08 14:36:42 this Japod battery is around 150 Apr 08 14:36:44 charges much faster Apr 08 14:37:13 DocScrutinizer: that's a shame. modest is open, isn't it? Apr 08 14:37:29 If you'd do something to compensate for cell impedance you'd get over 4.2V at the battery terminals, which is a no-no in my book (but actually happens on 2mm charge port Nokias) Apr 08 14:38:56 well, what do *you* do then with this rather random impedance figure? Apr 08 14:40:00 isn't it like you're assuming the impedance is not in cell but somewhere on the way to there, ans also increase input voltage to >4200 to compensate the fraction of it you think is not inside cell? Apr 08 14:40:29 it's the imaginary resistance between charger chip and battery terminals, I assume charger is either outputting the max configured charge current, OR is outputting exactly 4.2V at its own output terminals Apr 08 14:41:03 I really don't like the whole idea Apr 08 14:41:33 and display imaginary "System Use" and "charger output" values :P Apr 08 14:42:10 aah, you're not changing bq24150 maxvolt? Apr 08 14:42:55 I have a version that does that too, but it's not distributed :P Apr 08 14:43:03 good Apr 08 14:43:22 (it also aborts if bq27200 ever sees > 4.2V) Apr 08 14:47:44 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/N900-BL5J-bq24150-jk-4200-950-100.png Apr 08 14:47:47 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/N900-BL5J-bq24150-std-4200-950-100.png Apr 08 14:48:18 "std" is charge21.sh, "jk" is the not existing charge31.sh Apr 08 14:50:26 nice graphs Apr 08 14:50:47 seems the improvement from 31 is marginal Apr 08 14:51:07 Yeah it's marginal for full charge Apr 08 14:51:07 i have an odd problem with my n900 - MyDocs is not mounted, and i can not enable mass storage mode Apr 08 14:51:30 i recently upgraded to the new cssu-testing but i don't know if that's related Apr 08 14:51:36 which doesn't surprise as even the difference between fastcharging and 500mA charging is way less than you'd expect Apr 08 14:52:33 BCMM_: you caught the master bug ;-) Apr 08 14:52:46 DocScrutinizer: known issue? Apr 08 14:52:51 yep Apr 08 14:53:04 get *recent* update Apr 08 14:53:14 delete that symlink before you do Apr 08 14:53:23 DocScrutinizer: what do you mean, and what symlink? Apr 08 14:53:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189468&postcount=506 Apr 08 14:54:05 Yeah my old battery reached 4.2V almost immediately, so >500 charge current period was rather short. iirc at 50% or so. This japod battery runs full charge current (ish) to 80-ish percent Apr 08 14:54:21 DocScrutinizer: i have a few files and directories in MyDocs now, presumably created by applications that didn't know it was unmounted. Do I clear those manually? Apr 08 14:54:25 charging is much faster, as well as 1400 mAh bq27200-reported capacity Apr 08 14:54:40 BCMM_: I guess you'll have to Apr 08 14:54:45 yeah, better you do that :-D Apr 08 14:54:48 or you'll get the fun of having a dirty mount Apr 08 14:54:54 a nice catch Apr 08 14:55:10 i've never actually tried mounting on a non-empty dir, in many years of linux use Apr 08 14:55:22 the evil BOFH trick to hide large amounts of the storage under a mountpoint Apr 08 14:55:23 (thought the knee at end of discharge is so steep, that battery is effectively empty at 3.2V anyway, compared to maybe 10% remaining wehn using an old tired battery) Apr 08 14:55:43 DocScrutinizer: ah, stuff just vanishes under it? Apr 08 14:55:47 yep Apr 08 14:57:03 heh, it's a bit like when you run out of space on your harddisk Apr 08 14:57:08 merlin1991: I guess cssu team has to investigate further, how to recover from this Apr 08 14:57:36 "hmm, that's not working, better look into that sometime". "that's not working either, odd". "why are so many different things suddenly broken?" Apr 08 14:58:02 dirty mount will most likely result from that bug, and the fix instructions at least should mention it and recommend how to recover Apr 08 15:00:05 I think it's been one of the funniest ideas in unix fs design to mount on real directories Apr 08 15:00:45 DocScrutinizer: what would the alternative be? make mountpoints a special FS object? Apr 08 15:00:55 for example Apr 08 15:00:55 actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea at all now i think about it Apr 08 15:01:39 since unix has never required that every FS object appears to be strictly a file or directory Apr 08 15:02:05 there are devices and whatnot as well Apr 08 15:02:05 I once recovered from "shadow /home on ubifs" by making a bootmenu script delete it Apr 08 15:03:25 or you at very least could require mointpoint dirs to be 000 Apr 08 15:03:38 or sth like that Apr 08 15:03:44 DocScrutinizer: thanks; seems fixed now Apr 08 15:03:50 :-D Apr 08 15:04:34 does a portable sdk exist? Apr 08 15:04:35 has anyone in here attempted to install ArchARM on their n900, via the loose instructions posted here: http://dismantle-it.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/install-arch-linux-on-nokia-n900.html Apr 08 15:04:36 DocScrutinizer: absolutely no clue why, but my weird rotation issue is fixed now too Apr 08 15:04:45 well, the newer of my two rotation issues anyway Apr 08 15:04:46 I'm giving it a go :) Apr 08 15:05:08 knee deep in some chroot action atm, will keep everyone posted as to my progress Apr 08 15:05:20 Oh yeah! Apr 08 15:06:01 backtrackmobile; closest thing is the VM image. Apr 08 15:07:04 BCMM_: you should mention this at #maemo-ssu. Might be a valuable hint regarding rotation debugging Apr 08 15:07:13 vmimage it like 1.4 giga Apr 08 15:07:14 will do Apr 08 15:07:29 too large for my data plain Apr 08 15:27:23 hi all. I'm trying to set up my n900 to sync with google. I found the following guide: http://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!category-topic/gmail/android/Pw_-bcsxKiA . I've spent a couple of hours on this already, and gmail now seems to work. Calendar also might to work, but contacts dont' want to sync so I'm stuck with 'error in communication with exchange server'. Has anyone here managed to get this to work? (and if so, plea Apr 08 15:27:23 se tell me how?) Apr 08 15:59:53 ok so after deleting all my contacts I managed to complete the initial synchronisation. After importing my contacts it fails to sync contacts again. Deleting contacts and it will sync again. Added just one contact, and it synced (contact is now also on google contacts). However adding all contacts again it fails to sync. Any ideas? Apr 08 17:01:17 hi all Apr 08 17:01:33 i'd like to try nitdroid, but impossible to get it working Apr 08 17:01:54 kernel boots, finds modules, but then drops to shell Apr 08 17:02:24 anyone could help ? Apr 08 17:03:23 tried #nitdroid ? Apr 08 17:03:29 it's deprecated here. /join #nitdroid Apr 08 17:03:36 ah ok :) Apr 08 17:03:49 didn't remebered there was a dedicated chan Apr 08 17:03:51 thanks Apr 08 17:10:53 ~maemo-multiboot Apr 08 17:10:54 maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Apr 08 17:12:44 DocScrutinizer: multiboot works for me (I can return to maemo without problems) Apr 08 17:13:15 gormux: not a permanent state for all we have seen Apr 08 17:13:35 hum, good to know Apr 08 17:13:39 i'll backup often :p Apr 08 17:13:48 better that :-D Apr 08 17:15:03 anyway keep in minf multiboot is *FLASHING* your kernel during boot Apr 08 17:15:28 you definitely don't want to abort this transaction Apr 08 17:16:24 yeah, I always wait for the complete crash of nitdroid before aborting :) Apr 08 17:16:35 at least that's what I think it's doing, for all I learnt about it so far (I had preferred not to) Apr 08 17:18:25 Meanwhile: The U.S. Navy is paying a company six figures to hack into used video game consoles and extract sensitive information. The tasks to be completed are for both offline and online data. Apr 08 17:18:49 * RST38h wonders how they justified THIS one. Their PPT presentation should have looked real funny. Apr 08 17:21:27 gormux: once you try to start your device after it shutdown due to empty battery, you're most likely in for a reflash, with multiboot Apr 08 17:22:30 hum, seems strange Apr 08 17:22:37 BCMM_: did you resolve your ke-recv problems? Apr 08 17:22:38 since then it's not you aborting the kernel flashing, but simply the empty battery causing it Apr 08 17:23:09 merlin1991: yeah, followed the instructions at the forum link DocScrutinizer sent me and MyDocs appears to mount normally now Apr 08 17:23:28 ah, you mean, no battery and I start a boot that fails due to not enough battery to boot ? Apr 08 17:23:38 yep, exactly Apr 08 17:23:59 i'll have to pay attention then Apr 08 17:24:07 toldya Apr 08 17:24:34 that's just for testing btw, I don't think i'll keep the dualboot Apr 08 17:24:59 getting rid of it not exactly a simple thing either, I heard Apr 08 17:25:01 ;-D Apr 08 17:25:11 I already did this Apr 08 17:25:28 I tried nitdroid some time ago (and failed to get it booting) Apr 08 17:25:50 iirc, it wasn't very hard Apr 08 17:26:38 well, it's deprecated here, as already been mentioned :-D Apr 08 17:27:24 since those guys *could* use proper low risk uBoot based booting Apr 08 17:27:41 if only they could get their sh** sorted Apr 08 17:28:14 I mean, meego is doing as well, so why can't they? Apr 08 17:28:18 hum, well it does not seem to work well :) Apr 08 17:29:08 it booted, but the you have to touch the android to configure the device... and it does not want to go further Apr 08 17:29:17 the touch is detected, but... no reaction Apr 08 17:29:33 honestly, /join #nitdroid Apr 08 17:29:38 I did Apr 08 17:33:07 * DocScrutinizer wonders why IO-wait counts as CPU busy time in load monitor Apr 08 17:43:32 indeed Apr 08 17:43:51 It's to make people think overclocking is the answer Apr 08 17:44:23 hehe Apr 08 17:44:50 anyway, I stumbled across it on my PC Apr 08 17:45:23 maybe IOWait is actually meant as "kernel driver busy" Apr 08 17:46:00 which would make a lot of sense with >50% IO for writing sth to a USB HDD Apr 08 17:47:13 in this sense IOwait was just another flavour of System, for CPU load Apr 08 17:48:06 btw, big easer backup finished :-D Apr 08 17:48:17 Easter even Apr 08 17:50:11 http://paste.debian.net/162525/ Apr 08 17:51:09 you see it's not counting IOwait to the particular process, nevertheless my CPU had a load of always >50% during that dd, mostly IOwait Apr 08 17:51:16 hi guys Apr 08 17:51:23 i've got some questions... Apr 08 17:52:03 1) i made a flashable custom rootfs.img, can i include on it a custom kernel and custom nolo ? Apr 08 17:52:42 2) is it possible to make a flasable vanilla ? Apr 08 17:52:54 google for fiascogen Apr 08 17:53:03 vanilla Apr 08 17:53:06 not fisco Apr 08 17:53:08 fiasco Apr 08 17:53:13 2) don't think we got the tools for that Apr 08 17:53:14 i alredy have fisco Apr 08 17:53:38 ummm4 Apr 08 17:53:51 and also we don't exactly know how to create custom NOLO Apr 08 17:53:59 ok, and, can we change the Nokia Logo on Nolo? Apr 08 17:54:09 some users did Apr 08 17:54:14 nuke it Apr 08 17:54:30 no new img though, as the format is kinda uberscrewed Apr 08 17:54:32 i did it to, but with changed color.. i want to delete the nokia logo :D Apr 08 17:55:48 Fsckd kubuntu live disk, boooooot already Apr 08 17:55:57 I think the easiest way been to set foreground==background Apr 08 17:56:17 merlin1991: did you oil it? Apr 08 17:57:04 merlin1991: you must properly apply lubricant, otherwise buntkuh live never boots ;-P Apr 08 17:57:18 :D Apr 08 17:57:48 hm I got to the try/install ubuntu screen, now watching a black screen Apr 08 17:58:22 You've got to be kidding me :/ Apr 08 17:58:35 * DocScrutinizer yawns and idly ponders about other nasty puns to run against buntkuh Apr 08 17:58:40 Oversized output towards the display Apr 08 17:58:46 i had a serius problem with ubu 3 days ago, but.. was not ubu :) was the videocard buffer Apr 08 17:58:50 :D Apr 08 17:59:26 there was some black pixels, some broken windows :D and many reboots :D Apr 08 18:00:12 Well I nuked grub by instling another copy of win7 Apr 08 18:00:27 is there work on getting the linux 3.x kernel onto the n900? Apr 08 18:00:27 * DocScrutinizer hates how canonical/shuttleworth hijacked linux and now pervert it into some windows for geeks, while not at all caring about linux main or anything Apr 08 18:00:48 now trying to boot ANY amd64 livedisk to get a grub Apr 08 18:00:54 Err get a chroot Apr 08 18:01:15 joshgillies: yep, on SHR Apr 08 18:01:15 but restore the grub its easy Apr 08 18:01:24 not on maemo though Apr 08 18:02:07 DocScrutinizer any furth info for me? Apr 08 18:03:01 DocScrutinizer np Google to the rescue Apr 08 18:03:03 :D Apr 08 18:03:09 http://shr-project.org Apr 08 18:03:24 #openmoko-cdevel Apr 08 18:03:47 dunno what mer/nemo is doing wrt kernel Apr 08 18:07:31 gives me some direction none the less, thanks for the DocScrutinizer Apr 08 18:07:39 that* Apr 08 18:08:04 yw Apr 08 18:09:50 merlin1991: get a grub-"floppy", boot to your linux, reinstall grub_HDD from real system Apr 08 18:10:43 seems quite a number of linux installation CDs also offer "boot to system on HDD" Apr 08 18:11:34 the god ol' bootfloppy Apr 08 18:11:38 good* Apr 08 18:12:09 now in disguise as CD/DVD Apr 08 18:12:37 aaah, sorry Apr 08 18:13:07 ~wiki floppy disk Apr 08 18:13:11 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{redirect|Floppy}} A 'floppy disk' is a disk storage medium composed of a disk of thin and flexible magnetic storage medium, sealed in a rectangular plastic carrier lined with fabric that removes dust particles. They are read and written by a 'floppy disk drive' (FDD). Floppy disks, initially as {{convert|8|inch|adj=on}} media and later in {{convert|5.25|inch|adj=on}} and ... Apr 08 18:13:37 I can't expect you ever heard of this ancient technology ;-D Apr 08 18:14:40 merlinoooo ma che stai facendo ? <<< what are you doing ? Apr 08 18:15:02 move, i'm becoming old... Apr 08 18:15:08 :D Apr 08 18:32:37 Nomodeset fixed that so far Apr 08 19:11:11 ok, so in case anyone cares: it seems that if you add your contacts back with at most 5 or so at a time you can get them to show up in your google contacts, and syncing works. Note: before starting my google contacts were empty, and everything was on my n900 only. I backup my n900's contacts, synced to empty n900 to empty google contacts, and then everytime imported 5 contacts back into the n900, and then synced to google contacts. repeat for all Apr 08 19:11:11 contacts. Apr 08 21:22:15 hi ho Apr 08 21:22:25 ho hi Apr 08 21:22:33 so what is this jazz with ke-recv I am seeing? Apr 08 21:23:07 bad build that placed a symlink in /etc/init.d which does not get removed by dpkg upon upgrading to the clean build Apr 08 21:23:45 what did the SL point to? Apr 08 21:24:02 something that doesn't exist on the n900 Apr 08 21:24:07 lols Apr 08 21:24:13 silly newer debhelper does things for you regarding upstart Apr 08 21:24:26 which actually messes things in case you compile for n900 Apr 08 21:24:30 well I guess that is why it is called testing branch. Apr 08 21:24:39 partly :) Apr 08 21:24:49 but we always aim to fix things quickly Apr 08 21:25:15 you will never get a job with M$ with that kind of attitude. Apr 08 21:25:26 hehe Apr 08 21:25:46 so noob question. Apr 08 21:26:08 is it safe to update yet? Apr 08 21:26:13 it's sage by now Apr 08 21:26:19 I have a standard disk layout. Apr 08 21:26:24 just make sure your catalogues include the 3.1 update Apr 08 21:26:29 it is sage. Apr 08 21:26:43 dang Apr 08 21:26:54 s/sage/safe/ :D Apr 08 21:27:41 it is going now! Apr 08 21:28:14 * vi__ holds breath Apr 08 21:28:29 if it goes bad you're only 3 cmdlines away from fixing it again :) Apr 08 21:28:33 though it shouldn't Apr 08 21:29:07 what is the symptom of the problem? Apr 08 21:29:17 no mydocs Apr 08 21:29:30 heh Apr 08 21:30:20 I used to want to combine mydocs and /home. Apr 08 21:30:37 then i realised it would brake backup menu Apr 08 21:30:38 I yielded in quite a funky bugreport: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12594 Apr 08 21:30:40 04Bug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!! Apr 08 21:31:02 s/quite a/a quite/ Apr 08 21:31:03 merlin1991 meant: I yielded in a quite funky bugreport: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12594 Apr 08 21:31:04 04Bug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!! Apr 08 21:31:52 ok Apr 08 21:32:00 I shall now reboot Apr 08 21:32:02 btw vi__ when you've got cssu specific questions you've got an even better chance for answers over in #maemo-ssu Apr 08 21:32:14 mm, ok. Apr 08 21:32:27 is that where the cool kids hang out nowa days? Apr 08 21:32:43 povbot: Oo, that looks unfortunate Apr 08 21:32:43 lolcat: Error: "Oo," is not a valid command. Apr 08 21:33:07 it is where the cssu devs hang out, dunno if we're the cool kids :D Apr 08 21:34:06 yeah, you guys are pretty cool. I wish my e-peen was as massive. Apr 08 21:34:11 brb Apr 09 02:36:16 So, guys, how would I track down a battery drain when not in use? Powertop isn't showing anything that I can tell... Apr 09 02:36:50 With wifi off, no apps running(and no sim in it), I'm losing about 20%/8 hours. Apr 09 02:37:17 htop Apr 09 02:37:22 +screen Apr 09 02:37:51 Login with ssh+screen, setup htop to do sort by cumulative time Apr 09 02:38:09 Why login with ssh? Apr 09 02:38:15 Or just reset, leave it for some hours idle, and look at processes with significantly nonzero times Apr 09 02:38:35 the system is lots more idle with it than if you need to open the screen Apr 09 02:38:44 the display Apr 09 02:39:31 But wouldn't that be mostly xorg usage? which we already know of and can discount? Apr 09 02:39:38 I also heard that missing SIM *may* cause massive power drain Apr 09 02:40:06 dunno Apr 09 02:40:20 Also - get the bq* script - and set it running when idle Apr 09 02:40:30 That being said, I'm seeing: browser, with 33:03.99, bme_RX-51 with 23:14.92, pulseaudio with near the same... Apr 09 02:40:30 over screen Apr 09 02:40:34 might make sense, when device constantly is scanning all the networks, for a possible 911 call Apr 09 02:40:58 Could have some problem... This device has a blown(I think) cellmodem. Apr 09 02:41:16 what happens in flight-mode? Apr 09 02:41:22 yup Apr 09 02:41:30 It gives that 'all functionality disabled' message on startup Apr 09 02:41:31 you been faster than me :-D Apr 09 02:41:40 And yes, in flight mode, it still has battery drain Apr 09 02:41:56 then it's not modem Apr 09 02:41:59 I always put it in flight mode overnight, and it's draining fairly signifigantly now Apr 09 02:42:23 (as in last couple of months Apr 09 02:42:25 uSD inserted? Apr 09 02:42:55 Yeah, but I've had that same uSD for over a year+, on this device and my other one Apr 09 02:43:16 well, we've seen shorts when no uSD Apr 09 02:43:35 so that's not it either Apr 09 02:43:52 Thing is, it's not like a major power drain, like what happens if you leave a running app open. It's just... a little more than it should be Apr 09 02:44:33 something tweaked on audio? Apr 09 02:44:45 or mediaplayer? Apr 09 02:45:07 (seen amp not shutdwon during "pause") Apr 09 02:45:25 Um, question. In htop, the cumulative time column is in what units? Apr 09 02:45:41 Is it hh:mm.mm or mm:ss.ss Apr 09 02:45:57 the latter I guess Apr 09 02:46:26 have you changed your WLAN setup? Apr 09 02:47:51 Hm... At one point I tried to setup bluetooth PAN, but never got it working; Now, up in the 'tray' there's an icon that looks like a vertical arrow going into two half circles, split in the middle(so 4 quadrants) Apr 09 02:48:27 anything in app-scren it may relate to? Apr 09 02:48:27 And there's dummy network/dummy_iap in the internet connection box Apr 09 02:48:27 mhm Apr 09 02:48:49 No, I know it relates to when I installed some nokia dummy networking package Apr 09 02:49:02 Because it appeared at that time Apr 09 02:49:07 well, flight mode should tear down WLAN as well Apr 09 02:49:10 I didn't think of it until now, though Apr 09 02:49:18 and probably even BT Apr 09 02:49:31 Yeah, it does do that. But this other, unique icon, still exists. and I have no clue what it means Apr 09 02:49:58 means "antenna", FWIW Apr 09 02:50:53 interesting Apr 09 02:52:04 there's that XML file, forgot the path/name, that configs the position of those things in statusbar Apr 09 02:52:12 should have a name Apr 09 02:53:17 also the remnants there in that file probably are the reason why you see that amtenna icon Apr 09 02:53:40 could be Apr 09 02:53:59 Not sure it's a remnant though; the package is still installed Apr 09 02:54:00 DocScrutinizer should be elected president of Nokia. Apr 09 02:54:10 ??? Apr 09 02:54:13 Well, he couldn't do a /worse/ job of it Apr 09 02:54:20 DocScrutinizer: cuz you have a clue. Apr 09 02:54:27 meh Apr 09 02:54:30 XD Apr 09 02:56:17 luke-jr: I'll look in my letterbox next day, if maybe Flop has heard your suggestion and made up his mind Apr 09 02:56:22 talk.maemo.org is so beautifully cyclic. Apr 09 02:56:26 hehe Apr 09 02:56:33 It's like deja vu all over again. Apr 09 02:56:42 Off topic, but do either of you guys know of a good 'intro to linux' video on youtube. I'm looking for a good video to point my dad to Apr 09 02:57:04 oufff Apr 09 02:58:04 "linux in 15 minutes - for those who already learnt what's a mouse"? Apr 09 02:59:31 Nah, actually... My dad would probably have less of a hard time of it than most. He was very good with dos; owned an original IBM PC(XT I think). Windows wise, he's sort of learned a few things, but never took the time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 09 02:59:58 2012