**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 09 02:59:58 2012 Apr 09 03:00:17 Now, he's concerned(somewhat more than he should be) about being tracked and keylogged and such, and asked me about linux(cause I like it and all) Apr 09 03:00:47 tell him shell is the best dosbox he ever seen Apr 09 03:01:00 and there's no more driveletters Apr 09 03:01:12 that's about all he has to know Apr 09 03:01:15 ;-D Apr 09 03:01:21 heh Apr 09 03:04:02 Hm, just ran across this: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html So... I'm sold! I see no reason to even think about using Windows 7 after reading this. Apr 09 03:06:44 one thing i have that isn't supported under windows 7 64bit, my pvr250 (mpeg2 tv capture card) Apr 09 03:09:42 ...And my printer at work. Apr 09 03:27:34 my soundcard, tv tuner, printer, scanner, Palm m130, gamepad, all don't work in windows 7 Apr 09 03:27:55 (for half of them, lack of 64 bit drivers is to blame though) Apr 09 03:28:30 the other half -- soundcard, gamepad -- have been "deprecated" Apr 09 03:31:31 My soundcard... sort of worked in w7 x64. Apr 09 03:31:38 (Creative Audigy 2zs) Apr 09 03:34:36 "sort of" being the key, with half of the outputs not working, gameport being forcefully disabled Apr 09 03:34:49 and of course software mixing instead of hardware.. Apr 09 03:35:46 Yeah. That. Apr 09 03:36:02 I /could not/ get SPDIF(digital out) working. Apr 09 03:36:46 A problem because my best speakers take digital input over RCA Apr 09 03:37:32 Digital output is evil! Apr 09 03:37:38 Gotta be encrypted! Apr 09 03:37:55 Probably. Apr 09 03:38:12 Thing is, I wasn't trying to do blu-ray or anything. Just play frigging TF2. Apr 09 03:38:41 (blu-ray is no problem, mind you - MakeMKV + linux + mplayer = shiny 1080p ownage. Apr 09 03:38:47 with no unskippables! Apr 09 03:39:57 Skipping unskippable scenes makes the baby Jesus sad. Apr 09 03:40:22 No, it makes the mpaa sad. Apr 09 03:40:29 It makes everyone else happy! Apr 09 12:01:27 Hi Guys Apr 09 12:01:37 quick question Apr 09 12:01:54 Can I install Maemo on my Samsung Galaxy S 2 Apr 09 12:01:55 ?? Apr 09 12:02:05 no Apr 09 12:02:49 no Apr 09 12:02:51 * dm8tbr facepalms Apr 09 12:05:23 * DocScrutinizer creates an android "app" (some void nonsense to show an animated gif) and will name it "maemo" Apr 09 12:05:58 DocScrutinizer: sell it for 99,99€ Apr 09 12:06:14 a short video of maemo bootsequence should sell for 0.79 Apr 09 12:07:00 dang, if only I was the asshat to really do it Apr 09 12:08:18 dm8tbr: nah, the 99bucks app is "meego" ;-P Apr 09 12:08:31 DocScrutinizer: Are you finnish? Apr 09 12:08:46 not really. Why? Apr 09 12:09:20 Just curious about Finland Apr 09 12:10:13 dm8tbr: surprisingly the both apps are basically identical Apr 09 12:10:51 Why did you tell H0M37 no? Apr 09 12:11:12 He *could*, he just needs to make his own dialer, liblocation, and drivers Apr 09 12:11:22 And bootloader Apr 09 12:11:23 maybe because ShadowJK and jacekowski are no asshats either? ;-) Apr 09 12:12:24 ? Apr 09 12:12:29 I really don't understand how you can't virtualize N900 hardware Apr 09 12:13:12 because we don't have specs for it? Apr 09 12:13:18 no specs for fmtx Apr 09 12:13:25 no specs for most important part of it, rapuyama Apr 09 12:13:33 rapuyama? Apr 09 12:13:55 cellmo Apr 09 12:14:22 Can't we just detatch it and bruteforce it? Apr 09 12:14:35 no Apr 09 12:14:43 rapuyama firmware is around 10M Apr 09 12:14:53 it takes ages to reverse engineer something so big Apr 09 12:15:08 I thought it wasn't actually encrypted Apr 09 12:15:12 10M? They reverse engineered TTD and it w as bigger Apr 09 12:15:15 just singed Apr 09 12:15:19 lolcat: Well - yes Apr 09 12:15:24 lolcat: It's a case of manpower Apr 09 12:15:36 lolcat: Some have done interesting work RE stuff. Apr 09 12:15:45 But to RE it all gets expensive Apr 09 12:15:54 In terms of dev time. Apr 09 12:16:06 lolcat: not really Apr 09 12:16:23 lolcat: TTD is around 1/4th of that Apr 09 12:16:32 lolcat: rest of it is just resources, graphics and shit Apr 09 12:16:41 lolcat: rapuyama is 10M of pure arm code Apr 09 12:16:45 over 10M Apr 09 12:16:55 And it is encrypted? Apr 09 12:16:57 that is interfacing to unknown hadware Apr 09 12:16:59 no Apr 09 12:17:07 but it's interfacing to unknown hardware Apr 09 12:17:26 But the raputama has to be taking commands from another program, rigth? like the dialer and the kernel? Apr 09 12:17:41 yes, those commands are quite simple Apr 09 12:17:48 part of them Apr 09 12:18:19 And we can't take rapuyama and make it talk to a virtualized interface? Apr 09 12:18:32 no Apr 09 12:18:41 there's specs for fmtx btw, atleast I read them once. Was thinking about adding the chip's auto-free-freq-hoppig feature Apr 09 12:18:57 ShadowJK: where? Apr 09 12:19:07 ShadowJK: i've had a look and it was all behind huge NDA Apr 09 12:19:51 It the modem part of the mobo or can it be replaced? Apr 09 12:20:23 Part Apr 09 12:20:30 it's all on single 12 layer board Apr 09 12:20:39 12 or 17? Apr 09 12:21:23 Oh, so we can't detatch it and monitor the wires Apr 09 12:21:55 we can run tcpdump on phonet interface Apr 09 12:22:18 phonet is quite well documented and opensource Apr 09 12:22:33 it's just what is running over it that is not documented at all Apr 09 12:22:34 How can it be that big? Isn't cellmo pretty simple? Apr 09 12:22:47 rotfl Apr 09 12:23:21 heh Apr 09 12:23:21 it has to run, 3g, gprs, edge, hspa, GPS, phone calls, data, Apr 09 12:23:27 everything realtime Apr 09 12:23:37 I wouldn't mind dropping the GPS Apr 09 12:23:39 battery charging Apr 09 12:23:51 well, not in n900 Apr 09 12:24:03 we'll port maemo to samsung third. second is N9. Very first is N950. Dang, "same CPU", "same modem", even "same bootloader" - I planned to finish this lil fancy wok last weekend, but then my GF... Apr 09 12:24:04 but it's still monitoring battery for some reason Apr 09 12:24:22 DocScrutinizer: Can I have a N950? Apr 09 12:24:30 is N9 running rapuyama as well? Apr 09 12:24:47 I would never use a N9 Apr 09 12:24:50 no, but you can have a N9 - it's way more cute and has same core hw Apr 09 12:25:03 jacekowski: sure as hell Apr 09 12:25:06 It is to small to not have a kb Apr 09 12:26:05 N900 was perfect Apr 09 12:26:16 If only it could have the N-7000 cpu Apr 09 12:26:23 or rather apu Apr 09 12:26:58 lolcat: in my daywork I'm working on sw like that in cellmo, it takes ~1 day to build on a normal PC Apr 09 12:27:07 jacekowski; this not it? http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN332.pdf Apr 09 12:27:38 lolcat: so much for complexity of cellmo FW Apr 09 12:27:55 But there is no hope communicating to Nokia that they should give us the specs? Apr 09 12:28:14 oO Apr 09 12:28:20 lolcat: no Apr 09 12:28:29 part of code for it is not made by nokia Apr 09 12:28:37 I imagine it'd be easier to replace the components on maemo side than reimplement a cellular modem.. Apr 09 12:28:39 it's nokia and TI chip Apr 09 12:28:49 and a lot of it is legacy cruft Apr 09 12:30:00 How about my samsung? Is it also secrety with its drivers? Apr 09 12:30:11 lol Apr 09 12:30:21 a good question Apr 09 12:30:36 yes, most likely Apr 09 12:30:42 for cellmo it depends Apr 09 12:30:58 Well also locked bootloader except on google branded device, I think? Apr 09 12:31:06 well, calypso has been reverse engineered Apr 09 12:31:16 and specs for it has leaked on the interwebs Apr 09 12:31:29 except calypso is gsm only Apr 09 12:31:47 ShadowJK: i don't think s Apr 09 12:31:50 the galaxy S-II (IIRC the model) has a M5730 or sth of STE, which is semi-documented Apr 09 12:31:59 ShadowJK: samsung seems to be quite open Apr 09 12:32:06 oh? Apr 09 12:32:22 ShadowJK: it voids your warranty, but otherwise it's free for all Apr 09 12:33:22 http://www.stericsson.com/products/m5730-thor.jsp Apr 09 12:34:02 ShadowJK: i think it's country dependent Apr 09 12:34:03 still they don't think publishing sourcecode of RIL is sth they might consider to do Apr 09 12:34:22 ShadowJK: as it looks like all samsung phones in EU are unlocked Apr 09 12:34:35 ShadowJK: but stuff for US market seems to be locked Apr 09 12:34:53 Awesome Apr 09 12:35:44 CAIF protocol is open, so RE of RIL shouldn't be too hard Apr 09 12:36:17 (I can look up in the sources how hard it may get ;-D ) Apr 09 12:37:56 DocScrutinizer: So if you had time you could make maemo 2 with debian squeeze and a new dialer and drivers? Apr 09 12:38:10 and iirc at some level the M57x0 supports AT Apr 09 12:38:14 natively Apr 09 12:39:01 lolcat: yeah, if only God gave me more time til I have to knock on heaven's door, I could do that Apr 09 12:39:35 But think of the joy it'd bring me Apr 09 12:39:47 for some of "drivers" at least Apr 09 12:40:22 will you still be around to receive that gift when I finish my work in 70 years? Apr 09 12:41:17 Probably Apr 09 12:41:29 or are you planning to pay me for hiring a crew of 150 gifted hackers, so we can finish it in maybe 18 months? Apr 09 12:41:50 The average age in Norway will probably have passed 100 in 70 years Apr 09 12:42:51 I don't think you understand how that works Apr 09 12:43:00 but will you find a working hardware to run that shit on it, in 70 years? Apr 09 12:43:27 ooh hi Termana ! Apr 09 12:43:36 yello Apr 09 12:44:12 DocScrutinizer: Uhm, if it is open source and linux based it would jut be to move the new drivers to your device Apr 09 12:44:27 * DocScrutinizer idly waits for n00bmonkey to pop up here Apr 09 12:44:29 Just make your software forward compatible with new debian releases Apr 09 12:46:59 yeah, if the nozzle at the petrol pump is nicely specified, then it's just a question of the right adapter when you buy a new car Apr 09 12:47:30 yep Apr 09 12:47:33 LPG? Methanol? Tesla roadster? :shrug: Apr 09 12:48:13 Hell I just shove the diesel nozzle in and hope unleaded comes out Apr 09 12:48:19 I could run my hyundai on methanol Apr 09 12:48:32 I could convert it to use LPG Apr 09 12:48:38 Or electrizity Apr 09 12:49:33 diesel *is* unleaded ;-P Apr 09 12:49:54 Running it on diesel wouldn't work Apr 09 12:50:12 But diesel is old fashion Apr 09 12:53:04 DocScrutinizer: I saw a guy filling up his LPG car, he forgott removing the tube, started driving, the car suddenly stops, he didn't understand what it was and try driving again, the car stops and he gets out and realize he is a moron. Apr 09 13:08:17 old diesels are awesome in the way they'll run on almost anything Apr 09 13:08:52 new diesels are awesome in the way that their exhaust is cleaner than the surrounding air in big cities :P Apr 09 13:09:27 ShadowJK, not to mention diesel is fucking cheap Apr 09 13:09:56 Also turbodiesel approaches 50% efficieincy Apr 09 13:09:56 Depends where you live, in some places it costs more than petrol Apr 09 13:10:08 wtf, it's less refined Apr 09 13:10:19 but you still benefit from the increased efficiency Apr 09 13:10:38 Diesel - to remove sulphur - is not less refined Apr 09 13:10:50 Well refineries more or less output a fixed ratio of diesel and petrol I thought? Apr 09 13:11:09 (and everything between bitumen and propane) Apr 09 13:11:32 anyways, was skeptical about diesel as i hear the big trucks every day ridiculously loud etc etc until i got a toyota fortuner just recently Apr 09 13:12:36 it's at least 2km/L more efficient than my cr-v, quiet on the inside (loud on the outside, sucks for them), and diesel is ~10% cheaper than gasoline Apr 09 13:14:06 which leaves me wondering: why has the world kept this money-saving secret from me my whole life Apr 09 13:15:16 Seems in some parts of the world people have this weird fear of diesel :P Apr 09 13:18:25 Talking about petrol and prices. I almost find it hilarious how America is going hysterical over petrol prices and how it is killing everyones budgets, when it is only (converted) 1 single stinking Australian dollar per litre at it's $4 per gallon peak, when the normal amount here is about $1.50 (australian dollars) Apr 09 13:18:38 lol Apr 09 13:19:21 A tv news channel here did a cute comparison of "how much does it cost to drive 1000km", now, 10 and 20 years ago. Adjusted for value of money, etc Apr 09 13:19:39 it showed it's getting cheaper because cars are getting more efficient :P Apr 09 13:19:45 despite rising fuel prices Apr 09 13:19:52 heh :p Apr 09 13:20:02 the average price of gas here currently is about 1.715 euros a litre Apr 09 13:20:43 Was 1.799 when I filled up last week Apr 09 13:20:59 ShadowJK, Don't even try explaining that to the general public Apr 09 13:21:11 (the more efficient bit) Apr 09 13:22:56 joga, is that normal prices? That's about $2.17 AUD. Where as the $1.50 is about our normal prices, since you know... Australia has struck some mining resources and we are doing pretty well against everyone else Apr 09 13:23:00 http://www.motabilitycarscheme.co.uk/main.cfm?Type=CS - click (at bottom left) 'higher rate mobility component, and find cars. Then select 'sort by high-low mileage. Apr 09 13:23:15 Then skip to page three because the sort is silly Apr 09 13:23:23 you can see that cars start out at 85MPG Apr 09 13:23:42 Termana pretty normal I guess Apr 09 13:23:43 Admittedly, these are 10% larger than US gallons, and very small cars. Apr 09 13:24:23 the price doesn't concern me much personally because I don't need to own a car Apr 09 13:25:51 There are 40 cars before it hits 75MPG Apr 09 13:27:44 a funny philosophical aspect: while US thinks "I got one gallon, where to do I get with that?", the EU approach is "I wanna go there, how many litres do I need for that?" Apr 09 13:28:47 here it's how many litres per 100km Apr 09 13:28:59 * ShadowJK is playing OpenDune on N900 Apr 09 13:29:50 US and "thinks" in the same sentence? looks strange! Apr 09 13:29:55 :-P Apr 09 13:30:07 Interesting - sorting by horsepower - there are _lots_ more cars with tiny petrol engines, then you get to 80hp or so diesels, and the fuel economy shoots up Apr 09 13:30:18 Turbodiesel kicks in. Apr 09 13:33:52 anybody use dovecat? Apr 09 13:34:04 i'm trying to figure out how to set up something like denyhosts on my damn synology box Apr 09 13:34:11 heh Apr 09 13:34:14 i keep getting script kiddie on my dovecat port Apr 09 13:34:27 and apparently the built in dovecat is too stupid to realize it Apr 09 13:34:37 I use dovecot, but I have it behind vpn Apr 09 13:34:44 since synology has an automatic detecting thing Apr 09 13:34:50 like denyhosts Apr 09 13:34:59 but it doesn't work for invalid email attempts Apr 09 13:34:59 wtf? Apr 09 13:35:00 :) Apr 09 13:36:44 using nonstandard ports always a good idea Apr 09 13:36:44 http://www.onlinesocialmedia.net/20110707/dove-and-cat-nap-youtube-viral-video-sleeping-puss-disturbed/ Apr 09 13:37:03 DocScrutinizer: yeah but the assholes will portscan Apr 09 13:37:07 then try everyting on each port Apr 09 13:37:10 everything Apr 09 13:37:28 easier way is to just make invalid logins add the host to hosts.deny Apr 09 13:37:34 after so many attempts Apr 09 13:37:38 can't seem to find a way to do it Apr 09 13:37:41 hmm, I have to say I haven't seen a single attack on my non-22 ssh Apr 09 13:37:56 in > 1 year Apr 09 13:39:42 a friend told me about a generic tool to do the blacklisting you mentioned, for virtually all services. I forgot the name :-S Apr 09 13:45:23 DocScrutinizer, Macer : fail2ban ? Apr 09 13:50:00 peetah: not sure Apr 09 13:50:14 honestly not positive if fail2ban works with dovecot Apr 09 13:51:14 there is a dovecot.conf filter in debian wheezy Apr 09 13:52:57 no fail2ban on the synology Apr 09 13:52:59 heh Apr 09 13:53:00 damnit Apr 09 13:53:15 i need to turn this thing off if it can't stop this idiocy Apr 09 13:54:57 peetah: this might've been it Apr 09 13:56:11 yeah. it's fail2ban Apr 09 13:56:20 but no fail2ban for synology :-/ Apr 09 13:56:34 i was hoping to not have to run a sep server but oh well Apr 09 13:56:45 maybe i'll look into qnap Apr 09 13:56:58 and see if they have an email server that integrates a blocking filter Apr 09 13:57:27 it is kind of stupid that this isn't built into the synology. damn thing only works for web logins to the server but the imap/smtp stuff is wide open for brute forcing Apr 09 13:57:30 ugh Apr 09 14:15:52 any way to activate/deactivate phone vibration via proximity sensor. like if i put my n900 inside my pocket, then vibration turns on and vice versa Apr 09 14:52:09 kent_autistic: you might want to explore dbus-scripting pkg Apr 09 14:52:33 hi there, do you know if it is possible w/ maemo/n900 to see the lapdm/q921/q931 messages of the gsm interface (w/ dbus for instance) ? Apr 09 14:52:41 package? Apr 09 14:52:45 not sure if it could do what you asked for Apr 09 14:54:20 Hello, I find my google talk isn't stable, it lost msg sometimes Apr 09 15:01:29 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 09 15:36:11 hi, after my rootfs was filled up to 100%, i had problems with apt-get, I decided to reflash n900, but i think i screwed up by flashing PR_COMBINED first intead of VANILA image Apr 09 15:37:40 now i can only flash the PR_COMBINED but VANILA fails saying flasher did not claim interface before use, any help? Apr 09 15:38:26 !flashing Apr 09 15:49:33 how to fix? Apr 09 15:49:57 ~flashing Apr 09 15:49:57 methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 09 15:55:02 is the flasher not compatible with debian lenny? Apr 09 16:02:43 should work Apr 09 16:03:02 you can't screw up flashing so it will fail afterwards Apr 09 16:03:55 flash COMBINED, VANILLA, COMBINED(again) Apr 09 16:04:18 should always work, except for problems with your PC Apr 09 16:05:32 btw a filled-up root frequently doesn't require flashing of VANILLA to recover Apr 09 16:06:34 meh, drive-by asker? Apr 09 16:17:46 * ShadowJK has joins/parts hidden Apr 09 16:18:42 * DocScrutinizer too Apr 09 16:19:22 are there any dashcam apps for the n900? Apr 09 16:19:43 * DocScrutinizer curses cdc_phonet Apr 09 16:19:44 Hi all. What could be the source of problem with N900, if it just stopped to receive sms messages. Sending is ok, calls are ok, but nobody can send sms to n900 - it returns "error" immediately. Apr 09 16:20:18 Tested that sim-card on different phone - works, so the sim card is ok. Apr 09 16:20:31 who's returning "error"? Apr 09 16:21:12 DocScrutinizer: when I send sms from other phone to N900, I'm getting "error status" Apr 09 16:21:27 instead of "delivered Apr 09 16:21:41 usual cause: corrupted eventsdb Apr 09 16:22:13 DocScrutinizer: but it sends sms correctly. I guess sent messages are also stored in eventsdb Apr 09 16:22:30 there are threads in tmo how to fix it, though simply deleting all your conversations and phonelogs should work as well Apr 09 16:22:57 DocScrutinizer: hmm, thanks Apr 09 16:24:24 btw some users would be happy to learn how to get that state ;-D Apr 09 16:25:04 could also be a problem with your carrier's SMS exchange Apr 09 16:25:28 I'll write an how-to, If understand the source of problem :) Apr 09 16:40:24 well, for the howto I assume you could edit /etc/default/csd-sms ENABLE=1 to 0 Apr 09 16:41:30 no detailed clue though how to tackle your problem Apr 09 18:04:24 "Facebook is buying Instagram, the company who makes the popular mobile photo-sharing app of the same name, for approximately $1 billion." Apr 09 18:04:27 Insanity Apr 09 18:29:16 is there a way to set exposition time to for example 20-30sec with any camera app? Apr 09 18:29:32 (on n900) Apr 09 18:30:19 wouldn't the question be if the api to access the camera supports it (or the hardware)? Apr 09 18:30:47 its implied that api would need to do that too Apr 09 18:30:53 i dont want to use the api Apr 09 18:31:04 i want an application that can do it Apr 09 18:31:15 hence the question Apr 09 18:32:08 i'm sorry, i'm in a bit of a bad mood, i apologize Apr 09 18:32:31 camera-ui2 i think Apr 09 18:32:45 thanks i'll check that Apr 09 19:52:46 I dunno if any app exists for that, but afaik SpeedEvil had cmdline magic spells to shoot photos of night sky Apr 09 19:52:58 sth along gstreamer Apr 09 20:05:44 phone-control scripts also have something, iirc Apr 09 20:06:19 oh, nm Apr 09 20:06:56 fcamera and lowlight (didn't work with kernel power last time I tried) Apr 09 20:07:26 lowlight is kinda interesting, it combines a short exposure high gain shot with a long exposure shot Apr 09 20:10:24 cool Apr 09 22:16:02 I noticed a couple of updates, for the power kernel and also a "Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)" but appman doesn't seem to want to apply the updates and complains about the two packages conflicting with each other? Apr 09 22:17:06 should I restore the vanilla kernel first or something? Apr 09 22:18:27 now that I looked more carefully it actually seems to conflict with the previous one (2.6.28-10power49) Apr 09 22:36:40 joga: that's what fapman gets you Apr 09 22:43:33 DocScrutinizer: default appman too Apr 09 23:17:52 woohooo Apr 09 23:18:04 N900 for "only" 599eur @ amazon Apr 09 23:18:22 now we can call our phone Classic Phone Apr 09 23:18:47 or: oldtimer Apr 09 23:20:12 ouch Apr 09 23:27:09 599E? Apr 09 23:27:18 wasn't that the launch price? Apr 09 23:33:48 * nox- payed maybe 350 or so... Apr 09 23:42:42 sure Apr 09 23:42:55 in marketplace 200-550eur Apr 09 23:43:23 maybe one time we all get millionärs when we sell our beloved N900 xD Apr 09 23:44:28 hehe Apr 09 23:45:36 I paid 599+shipping Apr 09 23:47:33 I paid $700 AUD (550 euro). They are going (apparently new) on ebay for $200 AUD (157 euro) Apr 09 23:54:09 I paid $350 for my first, $200 for my next 3(broken ones) Apr 09 23:54:19 i bought a like-new used one for 80eur... last week... Apr 09 23:54:23 Or was it next two... Apr 09 23:54:29 Nice Apr 10 00:04:24 nice r00t|home Apr 10 00:26:44 Hi, sometimes I want to copy note of calendar, is there some direct way instead of go to the edit gui? Apr 10 00:33:35 Yes. But I don't know it Apr 10 00:34:05 robbiethe1st: ok.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 10 03:00:00 2012