**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 10 03:00:00 2012
Apr 10 05:05:52 <joga> DocScrutinizer hmm the problem is fapman? I do have it installed but haven't used it for a while, I clicked on the update indicator to start default appman in this case
Apr 10 05:21:12 <DocScrutinizer> joga: then never mind
Apr 10 05:51:26 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: NEW ones for 200$??? where?
Apr 10 08:26:54 <teotwaki> haha, I love it
Apr 10 08:27:14 <teotwaki> everytime a new guy comes into the office, people introduce my team as "the guys who develop the phone part of our business"
Apr 10 08:27:22 <teotwaki> and every single time, the newcomer goes
Apr 10 08:27:28 <teotwaki> "Oh, you program on iOS?"
Apr 10 08:27:29 <teotwaki> "err, no"
Apr 10 08:27:57 <teotwaki> "Oh, then you program on Android?" (at this point, interest of said person might rise or fall down)
Apr 10 08:28:03 <teotwaki> "err, no"
Apr 10 08:28:12 <teotwaki> here, a puzzled look is seen
Apr 10 08:28:20 <teotwaki> "So, what exactly do you do then?"
Apr 10 08:29:19 <teotwaki> "We apply weight balanced distribution algorithms to VoIP, email, sms and chat conversations in order to connect people with call centre agents, and process all of that in real time"
Apr 10 08:29:42 <teotwaki> After the 6th words, you can just see their eyes go shallow and glaze over.
Apr 10 08:34:12 <SpeedEvil> So,in other words, you select hold music that's vile enough to make people hang up and reduce load on the support staff?
Apr 10 08:35:49 <StyXman> jajaja
Apr 10 09:04:52 <Jaffa> teotwaki: Fun :)
Apr 10 09:05:17 <teotwaki> SpeedEvil: something like that :)
Apr 10 09:05:23 <teotwaki> Jaffa: how's it going mate?
Apr 10 09:06:20 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 10 09:08:15 <DocScrutinizer> any of you got knowledge about topic of kernel reading partition tables and creating devices for the partitions found?
Apr 10 09:09:22 <DocScrutinizer> sth along udev, modprobe, partprobe...
Apr 10 09:10:48 <DocScrutinizer> we (CSSU) would appreciate some qualified comments and hints on that, over in #maemo-ssu, since we ran into issues with new ke-recv
Apr 10 09:11:27 <Jaffa> teotwaki: For the next two weeks: stupidly busy. Then we'll have submitted our requirements definition report and - due to long decision making process - the project will stop (probably until Q3/Q4). So, then I'll be a lot *less* busy
Apr 10 09:11:33 <Jaffa> teotwaki: How are you?
Apr 10 09:12:49 <teotwaki> just finished a major release
Apr 10 09:13:01 <teotwaki> worth some 300k LOCs
Apr 10 09:13:08 <Jaffa> Nice
Apr 10 09:13:12 <teotwaki> For a team of 3.5, I'd say that's not too bad.
Apr 10 09:13:17 <Jaffa> All new?
Apr 10 09:13:42 <teotwaki> Most of it, yeah, some of it was ported/refactored.
Apr 10 09:17:52 <DocScrutinizer> to be more precise: I'm wondering what's involved in creating/changing/removing storage devices/partitions and associated info in kernel and userland
Apr 10 09:23:11 <Jaffa> teotwaki: Nice.
Apr 10 09:23:43 <Jaffa> teotwaki: I've been doing lots of technical presales work at the moment. Good fun.
Apr 10 09:23:56 <teotwaki> presales can be awesome
Apr 10 09:24:05 <teotwaki> If the project/product is interesting, and the customer has good people.
Apr 10 09:25:55 <Jaffa> teotwaki: Yeah. Going to South Korea for a week was good. Possibility of going back for a solid couple of weeks.
Apr 10 09:26:04 <teotwaki> Oh, that is nice.
Apr 10 09:26:07 <teotwaki> Whereabouts in SK?
Apr 10 09:26:29 <teotwaki> Seoul?
Apr 10 09:28:31 <DocScrutinizer> or put simply: "<merlin199> runing blkid as root shows you some info about all partitions in the system. but when I reformatted my sd card to only have one partition I still have ghost entries in the output from blkid. even after a reboot[!!!]" and would you comment/correct my thoughts regarding that, as of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-04-10T09:20:06 ff, please
Apr 10 09:29:13 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: I really whish I had more time and knowledge to be more helpfull. all I can say is: the kernel detects the device, emits some events that udev receives, and the applies the matching rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/
Apr 10 09:29:55 <DocScrutinizer> StyXman: many thanks anyway for that, it assures me my idea about that part been correct
Apr 10 09:29:59 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: /dev must be : none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
Apr 10 09:30:23 <StyXman> check the /etc/fstab in your machine
Apr 10 09:31:09 <StyXman> otherwise you have an old static /dev and blkid might get confused with it
Apr 10 09:31:27 <StyXman> also: try running it under strace -e file and see what files and devices opens
Apr 10 09:31:28 <DocScrutinizer> exactly my thoughts :-D thanks a lot
Apr 10 09:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> (re static /dev)
Apr 10 09:32:15 <DocScrutinizer> fstab however is vastly useless on fremantle
Apr 10 09:33:00 <StyXman> well, from my POV, it shouldn't :|
Apr 10 09:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> it's autogenerated on each single reboot
Apr 10 09:33:21 <StyXman> yeap
Apr 10 09:33:41 <Jaffa> teotwaki: Yeah.
Apr 10 09:33:56 <teotwaki> cool
Apr 10 09:33:59 <StyXman> I understand it's a failsafe measure so the user can't brick so easily the phone
Apr 10 09:34:19 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I don't understand it at all :-S
Apr 10 09:35:02 <StyXman> the problen is that it actually doesn't detect anything and the assumptions might be no longer valid and *that* bricks the phone
Apr 10 09:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> editing fstab needs root perms as does messing up the script that generates fstab on maemo
Apr 10 09:35:27 <StyXman> FI: reformatting /home/user/MyDocs to extX
Apr 10 09:35:49 * RST38h yawns
Apr 10 09:35:50 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 10 09:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> moo RST38h 
Apr 10 09:36:24 <RST38h> moo, Doc, how is suffering today?
Apr 10 09:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> fun
Apr 10 09:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> kneedeep into ke-recv, udev, kernel+partition tables, fstab etc
Apr 10 09:40:08 <DocScrutinizer> StyXman: anyway mount shows >>none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,noatime,size=10240k,mode=755)<<
Apr 10 09:40:51 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: hmmm
Apr 10 09:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> indeed hmmm
Apr 10 09:41:12 <DocScrutinizer> tmpfs!=devtmpfs ??
Apr 10 09:41:44 <DocScrutinizer> not at all I'd guess
Apr 10 09:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> otoh it should at very least be volatile
Apr 10 09:42:10 <StyXman> yes
Apr 10 09:42:21 <DocScrutinizer> so couldn't persist acoss reboots, as merlin_1991 complained
Apr 10 09:42:25 <StyXman> unless the dev existed before mounting udev
Apr 10 09:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> HAH
Apr 10 09:42:51 <StyXman> I *think* it copies the original devices from the underlaying /dev
Apr 10 09:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> I think that's the whole idea of devtmpfs
Apr 10 09:43:12 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 10 09:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> no explanation though where to look for sticky partitions
Apr 10 09:45:52 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly
Apr 10 09:46:15 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: does dmesg say anything abvout them @ boot time?
Apr 10 09:46:30 <DocScrutinizer> no idea, it's been reported by merlin_1991 
Apr 10 09:46:55 <DocScrutinizer> but a very good point for what to check
Apr 10 09:46:56 <StyXman> is it reproducible?
Apr 10 09:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> I guess it is
Apr 10 09:48:02 <DocScrutinizer> since we got new ke-recv in CSSU-T, we've seen quite a number of "nice" error reports
Apr 10 09:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> the fact that a broken CSSU version of ke-recv got shipped didn't exactly help on that
Apr 10 09:49:20 <StyXman> what's ke-recv? doesn't ring a bell...
Apr 10 09:49:36 <DocScrutinizer> on the bright side it's a nice lesson for KP and CSSU developers and maintainers :-D
Apr 10 09:50:20 <DocScrutinizer> ke-recv = maemo's special flavour of (I guess) KernelEven-RECeiVe
Apr 10 09:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> evenT
Apr 10 09:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> it acts on hotplug and remove events
Apr 10 09:51:20 <DocScrutinizer> some weid sibling or replacement of/for udev
Apr 10 09:51:33 <DocScrutinizer> weird*
Apr 10 09:51:39 <StyXman> for any particular reason? 
Apr 10 09:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> dang my typing sucks today, even more than usual
Apr 10 09:51:58 <StyXman> I mean, if you´re using both, they might have an interesting interaction
Apr 10 09:52:04 <DocScrutinizer> reason for ke-recv? no idea
Apr 10 09:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> as well as no idea why maemo autogenerates fstab
Apr 10 09:53:00 <DocScrutinizer> you know, design rationale and requirements spec not avaoilable for anything in maemo
Apr 10 09:53:41 <StyXman> I love the readme: «nothing here». indeed
Apr 10 09:54:20 <StyXman> nothing in the news or even authors
Apr 10 09:54:29 <DocScrutinizer> ke-recv-test might shed some dim light
Apr 10 09:54:49 <StyXman> hmm
Apr 10 09:54:55 <DocScrutinizer> on general purpose of the whole thing
Apr 10 09:55:36 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer: just lokking at what files compose it's source gives a rough idea
Apr 10 09:55:51 <StyXman> I thingk it should go on top of udev
Apr 10 09:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 10 09:56:06 <StyXman> I mean, it´s not a replacement
Apr 10 09:56:17 <StyXman> but that's all I can say for now
Apr 10 09:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> I think it deals with events that aren't strickly device-related as in udevadm monitor
Apr 10 09:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> like plugin to USB host, open/close of battery lid (to [u]mount uSD) etc pp
Apr 10 10:00:58 <DocScrutinizer> s/strickly/strictly/.
Apr 10 11:14:17 <vi___> hello
Apr 10 11:14:38 <vi___> So I have an 'issue' that I am having difficulty isolating.
Apr 10 11:15:31 <vi___> When I run the sharing services configuration applett from settings panel it crashes with:
Apr 10 11:16:00 <vi___> 'internal error. Application 'settings' closed.
Apr 10 11:16:11 <vi___> I have no sharing accounts at the moment.
Apr 10 11:16:21 <vi___> I want to add one for a service (flickr as it happens)
Apr 10 11:16:38 <vi___> So I click the sharing applett
Apr 10 11:16:53 <vi___> it asks if I want to create a new account or add and existing one
Apr 10 11:17:03 <vi___> I click 'add existing' then it crashes.
Apr 10 11:17:32 <vi___> How can I run the settings applet from the command line in order that I may see some kind of error/debug?
Apr 10 11:18:41 <vi___> I cannot seem to find the 'settings' program in the list of .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon/SOMEFILES.desktop
Apr 10 11:26:08 <vi___> anyone?
Apr 10 11:59:45 <Macer> http://www.mercurynews.com/mike-cassidy/ci_20359712/mike-cassidy-jack-tramiel-commodore-64-pioneer-died?source=most_viewed
Apr 10 12:14:44 <vi___> merlin1991: yo
Apr 10 12:21:44 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: actually the /dev node is long gone, but blkid still reports about those parititoins
Apr 10 12:21:53 <merlin1991> s/paritioins/partitions
Apr 10 12:23:00 <merlin1991> vi___: hey
Apr 10 12:23:03 <StyXman> merlin1991: probably it asks the kernel and he's the one confused?
Apr 10 12:23:40 <merlin1991> StyXman: I would agree on that if it wouldn't be persistant over reboots
Apr 10 12:24:26 <StyXman> merlin1991: true
Apr 10 12:26:44 <StyXman> merlin1991: also: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/7386
Apr 10 12:27:02 <merlin1991> die apt-worker
Apr 10 12:27:04 <StyXman> blkid seems to keep track of partitions in /etc/blkid.tab
Apr 10 12:27:04 <vi___> are you able to shed any light on my query above
Apr 10 12:27:05 <vi___> ?
Apr 10 12:27:09 <vi___> merlin1991: 
Apr 10 12:27:26 <StyXman> merlin1991: and reads /proc/partitions
Apr 10 12:28:18 <merlin1991> vi___: I don't know much about it, but my best guess is, that you have some unstable plugin that crashes the whole thing
Apr 10 12:28:26 <vi___> mmm
Apr 10 12:28:39 <merlin1991> check for extra sharing plugins you have installed
Apr 10 12:29:34 <vi___> Do you know the location of the .desktop file for the setup program? (spanner icon).
Apr 10 12:30:22 <merlin1991> StyXman: http://pastebin.com/qR5iMx01
Apr 10 12:30:29 <merlin1991> funky imo
Apr 10 12:32:24 <StyXman> merlin1991: hmmm, IIRC, there's a script that runs at boo who creates the devices
Apr 10 12:32:31 <StyXman> .... but I can't tell right now
Apr 10 12:32:46 * StyXman "busy working"
Apr 10 12:33:33 <merlin1991> yeah you're right about blkid.tab there are my ghost partitions
Apr 10 12:33:38 <merlin1991> this CRIES for a patch
Apr 10 12:35:42 <StyXman> this cries for «don't try to create devices blindingly at boot»
Apr 10 12:38:29 <StyXman> also: read blkid's code :|
Apr 10 12:42:54 <Sicelo> ~fubar
Apr 10 12:42:54 <infobot> fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything.
Apr 10 12:43:00 <Sicelo> :P
Apr 10 12:44:35 <vi___> merlin: how do I do the bug list thing?
Apr 10 12:45:39 <vi___> merlin1991: specifically 10089
Apr 10 12:45:42 <vi___> !bug
Apr 10 12:45:54 <vi___> !bug 10089
Apr 10 12:45:56 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10089 Cannot create Flickr sharing account: "Internal error. Application 'Settings' closed."
Apr 10 12:48:29 <vi___> running from terminal I get this vomit:
Apr 10 12:48:34 <vi___> http://pastebin.com/30gwdc8j
Apr 10 12:57:53 <tcatm> Hey. Can someone tell me whether kernel-power has any additional patches compared to the default kernel?
Apr 10 12:58:57 <Jaffa> tcatm: It has quite a few
Apr 10 12:59:41 <tcatm> Hrm. is there a git repo?
Apr 10 12:59:52 <freemangordon> yes
Apr 10 12:59:59 <freemangordon> it is in garage.maemo.org
Apr 10 13:00:47 <freemangordon> tcatm, here https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kernel-power/
Apr 10 13:01:38 <tcatm> Awesome. Thanks!
Apr 10 13:02:23 <tcatm> I'm trying to track down a bug where sometimes the speaker is muted during calls (mic seems to be muted, too). Is this known?
Apr 10 13:03:05 <guly> which twitter client do people here use?
Apr 10 13:04:02 <vi___> mmm, so other share services work.
Apr 10 13:04:14 <vi___> It is just the flickr plugin that is failing.
Apr 10 13:09:17 <vi___> SON OF A WHORE
Apr 10 13:09:24 <vi___> god damn you stupid phone
Apr 10 13:14:03 <StyXman> vi___: the language, please
Apr 10 13:14:16 <StyXman> it's «son of a bithc» :-P
Apr 10 13:18:01 <vi___> freemangordon: good day sir.
Apr 10 13:18:21 <vi___> freemangordon: what would happen if I cranked the 'dsp_voltage_boost' to 255?
Apr 10 13:19:17 <tcatm> It looks like those power kernel patches won't apply cleanly using quilt :/
Apr 10 13:21:01 <Macer> vi___: you will teleport to io
Apr 10 13:23:53 <StyXman> (Ed's Note: Io is a Jupiter's moon)
Apr 10 13:32:30 <Sicelo> tcatm: sure that's not a hardware issue? eg, faulty jack.. resulting in false detection of a headset?
Apr 10 13:36:02 <tcatm> The symptons I've noticed looked like a software problem. I.e. on some cases I was able to reproduce the problem using software.
Apr 10 13:36:13 <freemangordon> vi___, it will be either ignored or limited to 250, can't remember exactly, but according to how I code ususally, it will be limited
Apr 10 13:37:19 <freemangordon> tcatm, actually it is quilt that is used to apply patches in debian/patches, you may want to look at KP thread at TMO on how to build KP
Apr 10 13:38:17 <tcatm> Sicelo: Detected headset should show up in dmesg as 'headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected' (I just verified that).
Apr 10 13:43:27 <tcatm> Is it normal for the n900 to be quiet when establishing a call? Other phones emit beep tones when the called phone is ringing.
Apr 10 13:47:44 <ThreeM> tcatm normal behavior
Apr 10 14:29:16 <vi___> merlin1991: hello
Apr 10 14:30:08 <merlin1991> hi?
Apr 10 14:30:23 <vi___> merlin1991: I assume you are running cssu-t 3.1?
Apr 10 14:30:54 <merlin1991> among cssu-stable and pr1.3.1 on my 3 devices, yes :D
Apr 10 14:31:04 <vi___> heh
Apr 10 14:31:32 <vi___> Then perhaps you could quickly try somthing to help me eliminate a possibilty in a bug hunt.
Apr 10 14:31:39 <merlin1991> sure
Apr 10 14:32:01 <vi___> Can you take a photo with the camera, when it shows you the photo on the screen, press the gallery button on the bottom right hand corner.
Apr 10 14:32:29 <vi___> tell me , does it open the phot in maemo-photo (gallery) or the microb (browser)
Apr 10 14:32:34 <vi___> ^photo
Apr 10 14:33:10 <merlin1991> gallery
Apr 10 14:33:24 <vi___> bollocks
Apr 10 14:33:38 <vi___> for some reason photos are opening in the browser for me
Apr 10 14:33:46 <vi___> this is a huge pain in the nuts
Apr 10 14:33:55 <merlin1991> microb or some other browser?
Apr 10 14:35:25 <vi___> microb
Apr 10 14:35:29 <vi___> it opens with:
Apr 10 14:35:42 <vi___> file://PATH/TO/MY/PHOTO.jpg
Apr 10 14:36:17 <merlin1991> check your /usr/share/applications/hildon/image-viewer.desktop
Apr 10 14:37:45 <merlin1991> though I'm not 100% sure how those mime handlers are registered
Apr 10 14:38:06 <merlin1991> someone else will know for sure :)
Apr 10 14:39:55 <vi___> can you paste your line of mimetype handlers from your image-viewer.desktop?
Apr 10 14:41:10 <merlin1991> MimeType=image/jpeg;image/png;image/gif;image/tiff
Apr 10 14:41:56 <ThreeM> http://german-bash.org/44335
Apr 10 14:42:06 <ThreeM> oh wrong channel. sorry
Apr 10 14:44:25 <merlin1991> vi___: does your image-viewer.desktop contain the X-Osso-Service line?
Apr 10 14:46:02 <merlin1991> btw vi___ check in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list for the line with image/jpeg
Apr 10 14:46:18 <merlin1991> it should be image/jpeg=hildon-image-viewer.desktop
Apr 10 14:51:22 <vi___> merlin1991: I reinstalled 'imageviewer' which seems to update a bunch of mime types type stuff in the postinst.
Apr 10 14:51:36 <vi___> This seems to have solved the problem.
Apr 10 14:51:46 <vi___> fffuuuu knows how it got broken.
Apr 10 14:51:52 <vi___> Thankyou for your assistance.
Apr 10 14:52:29 <vi___> FWIW my .desktop file looked the same as yours.
Apr 10 14:55:42 <merlin1991> how did it get broken?
Apr 10 14:56:22 <vi___> I really do not know.
Apr 10 14:56:47 <vi___> It happened some time after CSSU-T update 2 updates back I think.
Apr 10 14:56:56 <vi___> However I not think they are related.
Apr 10 14:57:15 <vi___> As it is such a commonly used feature, someone else would have complained.
Apr 10 14:57:28 <vi___> (or they were so leet they fixed it already)
Apr 10 17:11:48 <tcatm> I think I have found the cause of the bug the causes the earpiece to be muted.
Apr 10 17:23:20 <Sicelo> do tell, tcatm 
Apr 10 17:23:33 <RST38h> moo javispedro
Apr 10 17:23:40 <javispedro> moo
Apr 10 17:23:46 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Apr 10 17:24:29 <tcatm> Sicelo: It could be the sound driver incorrectly powering on the amplifier.
Apr 10 17:27:10 <Sicelo> hmmm
Apr 10 17:32:16 <tcatm> Disabling stand-by mode of said amplifier seems to help.
Apr 10 17:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> strange
Apr 10 17:38:43 <trumee> guys, can ipad2 tether to a N900?
Apr 10 17:39:57 <tcatm> Should work. The N900 can speak pretty much any wireless protocol.
Apr 10 17:40:05 <trumee> need to decide between wifi or 3g version.
Apr 10 17:40:29 <jonne> use the hotspot thing on the n900
Apr 10 17:40:40 <jonne> maybe bluetooth even works, never tried it
Apr 10 17:40:46 <jonne> do ipads have bluetooth?
Apr 10 17:41:02 <trumee> iirc there was a limitation on adhoc networking
Apr 10 17:41:59 * trumee is in a shop atm deciding to buy which model
Apr 10 17:42:15 <trumee> tmo is dog slow.
Apr 10 17:42:22 <r00t|home> simple: buy the 'none' model
Apr 10 17:42:33 <trumee> so need a confirmation
Apr 10 17:42:44 <r00t|home> that's the only good model of the ipad
Apr 10 17:43:23 <trumee> r00t|home, need one for my wife :)
Apr 10 17:49:06 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, any idea?
Apr 10 17:49:44 <trumee> MAG had an ipad iirc
Apr 10 17:49:58 <trumee> MohammadAG, ping
Apr 10 17:50:21 <trumee> ~ping
Apr 10 17:50:22 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 10 17:50:37 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: sprry nope
Apr 10 17:50:39 <RST38h> ...Objects that caused the latest major natural disaster. We have at least three different anomalous explanations for the Indian Ocean Tsunami now. We don't need more.
Apr 10 17:52:41 <MohammadAG> trumee: Pong
Apr 10 18:14:47 <trumee> MohammadAG, can ipad be tethered to N900?
Apr 10 18:16:16 <trumee> ~ping
Apr 10 18:16:17 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 10 18:25:34 <jacekowski> trumee: using wifi
Apr 10 18:28:31 <trumee> jacekowski, yes via wifi?
Apr 10 18:29:45 <jacekowski> yeah
Apr 10 18:29:53 <jacekowski> same as tethering anything else to n900 then
Apr 10 18:37:43 <trumee> jacekowski, tx
Apr 10 19:27:26 <nikko> hi
Apr 10 19:28:52 <nikko> my maemo keyboard lights doesnt turn on anymore
Apr 10 19:29:04 <nikko> even after reflashing
Apr 10 19:29:13 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, it is possible to clean mtd2 log?
Apr 10 19:29:21 <nikko> anyone knows how to fix this ?
Apr 10 19:36:14 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: well, I guess mtd_debug could help erasing it
Apr 10 19:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: no idea what's the format of a "clean" mtd2 though
Apr 10 19:36:54 <Pali> it is safe?
Apr 10 19:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> well, obviously not, since ^^^
Apr 10 19:37:26 <Pali> I'd like to clean it, because I have more kernel logs which is now useless (caused by my testing...)
Apr 10 19:37:46 <Pali> and parsing new is hard now
Apr 10 19:38:48 <DocScrutinizer> you could check kernel src to learn how it determines end-of-buffer
Apr 10 19:39:18 <DocScrutinizer> I'd guess there must be a tool to read mtd oopslog as well
Apr 10 19:39:46 <DocScrutinizer> which obviously should be the way to go
Apr 10 19:41:34 <DocScrutinizer> odds are it doesn't use any particular formatting and just starts dumping at some lst special "<EOF>" it finds in mtd2
Apr 10 19:41:55 <DocScrutinizer> but - as mentioned above - I have no idea
Apr 10 19:42:44 <nikko> ever lost keypad lights ??
Apr 10 19:42:54 <DocScrutinizer> umm
Apr 10 19:43:08 <DocScrutinizer> what do you mean?
Apr 10 19:43:45 <nikko> the azerty keyboard of the n900
Apr 10 19:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> kbd backlights are switching off when ambient light > some particular threshold
Apr 10 19:44:02 <nikko> the light under that *should* turn on when you open the N900
Apr 10 19:44:26 <nikko> well not mine
Apr 10 19:44:34 <nikko> even in total darkness :/
Apr 10 19:44:40 <DocScrutinizer> wow
Apr 10 19:44:43 <nikko> and i just reflashed the device
Apr 10 19:44:51 <DocScrutinizer> double-wow
Apr 10 19:45:01 <nikko> also its back from nokia care support
Apr 10 19:45:07 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to remove battery for 2 minutes
Apr 10 19:45:35 <nikko> ok lets try
Apr 10 19:45:52 <nikko> but damn, howcome my n900 nbehave like a computer + win xp? :p
Apr 10 19:45:56 <DocScrutinizer> the lp5523 chip that controls indicator and kbd LEDs is dirctly connected to battery. It might have locked up
Apr 10 19:47:15 <nikko> ok
Apr 10 19:47:23 <nikko> goot to know
Apr 10 19:47:26 <nikko> good
Apr 10 19:50:31 <nikko> nothing yet
Apr 10 20:03:11 <DocScrutinizer> does indicator LED work normally?
Apr 10 20:04:02 <DocScrutinizer> did you restore from backup after reflashing?
Apr 10 20:08:00 <DocScrutinizer> t900:~# grep Backlight /etc/mce/mce.ini
Apr 10 20:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> BacklightTimeout=30
Apr 10 20:08:03 <DocScrutinizer> BacklightFadeTime=100
Apr 10 20:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> t900:~# cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb1/led_current
Apr 10 20:09:47 <DocScrutinizer> 50
Apr 10 20:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> while sleep 1; do echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb1/brightness; done
Apr 10 20:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> dang, drive by asker
Apr 10 20:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> >:-(
Apr 10 20:21:15 <merlin1991> fmtx power level was which sysnode?
Apr 10 20:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> *cough*
Apr 10 20:30:25 <DocScrutinizer> power_level?
Apr 10 20:30:59 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level?
Apr 10 20:31:04 <merlin1991> ah yeah that one
Apr 10 20:33:04 <merlin1991> now if I'd also know the safe max :/
Apr 10 20:33:16 <DocScrutinizer> you know it's kinda locked during first usage
Apr 10 20:33:40 <DocScrutinizer> there's no safe max
Apr 10 20:33:53 <DocScrutinizer> just ramp up to your liking ;-D
Apr 10 20:34:02 <merlin1991> and watch it burn? :D
Apr 10 20:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Apr 10 20:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> ask jacekowski 
Apr 10 20:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> there's some working max, not safe max though. the power is picowatts
Apr 10 20:39:35 <DocScrutinizer> or was it nanowatts?
Apr 10 20:40:15 <DocScrutinizer> nuttin will burn, but odds are it's locked anyway, unless you use jacekowski 's hack
Apr 10 20:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not sure if theoretic max is 255, or was it sth like 185
Apr 10 20:48:01 <merlin1991> cat shows me it's currently 120
Apr 10 20:48:12 <Pali> merlin1991, max fmtx power_level is 120
Apr 10 20:48:15 <DocScrutinizer> 111 here, but "ro"
Apr 10 20:48:30 <Pali> in kp50 was changed to max 120 by default
Apr 10 20:48:53 <Pali> also in kp50 is possible to lock/unlock this power_level
Apr 10 20:49:00 <Pali> via sysfs lock
Apr 10 20:49:11 <Pali> usefull to hack unpatched fmtxd
Apr 10 20:49:42 <DocScrutinizer> the chip however has no dangerous max setting
Apr 10 20:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> and I guess the 120 limit is also a raher random value
Apr 10 20:50:50 <DocScrutinizer> btw I just have set it to 222 and still no smoke
Apr 10 20:51:09 <DocScrutinizer> (on an ancient hostmode kernel)
Apr 10 20:51:10 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, max is 120 see kernel source code
Apr 10 20:51:31 <DocScrutinizer> what's got kernel source to do with the chip?
Apr 10 20:51:47 <Pali> I think that higher value is decreased to 120 in kernel driver
Apr 10 20:52:04 <Pali> of cource if you do not patched driver
Apr 10 20:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> yes, and that 120 limit is "randomly" picked
Apr 10 20:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> I guess
Apr 10 20:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> anyway o/ bbl
Apr 10 20:52:58 <DavidTalmage_> Hi.  Can someone here help me with QtCreator, a subdirs project, and autoconf?
Apr 10 20:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 10 20:54:56 <DavidTalmage_> Thanks!
Apr 10 20:55:27 <DavidTalmage_> I'm building some applications that depend on libnfnetlink and libnetfilter_queue.
Apr 10 20:55:45 <DavidTalmage_> Those libs aren't part of Maemo, so I'm building them myself.
Apr 10 20:56:12 <DavidTalmage_> I set up my subdirs project as shown in the qt-project wiki page QmakeInvokeAutotools.
Apr 10 20:56:25 <DocScrutinizer> I just said "yes, somebody can help for sure"
Apr 10 20:56:36 <DocScrutinizer> anyway ask
Apr 10 20:56:37 <soltys> :D
Apr 10 20:56:52 <DavidTalmage_> Ah. Standard hacker answer. :-)
Apr 10 20:57:17 <DavidTalmage_> There's a shadow build directory at the same level as my project directory.
Apr 10 20:58:38 <DavidTalmage_> Things build.  Except that libnetfilter_queue depends on libnfnetlink.  During compilation, gcc wants to look in the wrong place for the libnfnetlink headers.
Apr 10 20:59:26 <DavidTalmage_> I checked the Makefile in the build directory.  It has the wrong path.
Apr 10 21:00:23 <DavidTalmage_> I want to know why QtCreator or Qmake puts the wrong path in the Makefile.
Apr 10 21:00:33 <DavidTalmage_> I must be telling it something wrong.
Apr 10 21:01:43 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, max power level of fmtx chip is really 120
Apr 10 21:01:50 <merlin1991> DavidTalmage_: what do you get in the makefile and what should it be?
Apr 10 21:02:11 <Pali> DocScrutinizer, read page 20 at http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN332.pdf
Apr 10 21:04:24 <DavidTalmage_> merlin1991, I may have to take back what I said about the makefile.  
Apr 10 21:04:33 <DavidTalmage_> Looking at it to be sure...
Apr 10 21:10:06 <DavidTalmage_> merlin1991, what I wrote originally is true.
Apr 10 21:10:48 <DavidTalmage_> There's a Makefile in build-directory/libnetfilterqueue-20110906/src.
Apr 10 21:11:50 <DavidTalmage_> I figured it out.
Apr 10 21:12:24 <DavidTalmage_> It's stupid configure trick.  The Makefile is looking in ${prefix}/include.
Apr 10 21:12:45 <DavidTalmage_> What it's looking for hasn't been installed there.
Apr 10 21:13:20 <DavidTalmage_> Thanks for helping me focus on the solution!
Apr 10 23:54:03 <SD69> h
Apr 10 23:54:10 <merlin1991> h
Apr 10 23:55:22 <joshgillies> h
Apr 10 23:56:15 <r00t|home> h
Apr 10 23:58:18 <SD69> there's an echo in here
Apr 11 00:32:24 <merlin1991> quite a remarkable one :D
Apr 11 00:38:31 <r00t|home> more like, there's a combo breaker in here
Apr 11 00:46:47 <merlin1991> r00t|home: :nod:
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