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Apr 13 03:24:47 <DocScrutinizer> FIQ: uBoot installes into one same partition together with default kernel. This means two things: you need to either get the proper combo-image with the default kernel you want, to flash to your "kernel" partition. or you build such package yourself. Or you configure uBoot with stock kernel so it boots alternative kernels from "elsewhere" and still uses the stock rootfs, e.g to get a powerkernel with maemo. ... and B) when you messed up 
Apr 13 03:24:49 <DocScrutinizer> your kernel completely like you said, then odds are uBoot got nuked together with it
Apr 13 03:27:31 <DocScrutinizer> anyway there's a theoretical way: the ROM Bootloader checks for - and loads - stage-1 BL called xloader. stage-1 tries to load stage-2 called NOLO (the 'real' bootloader) from NAND partition "boot"
Apr 13 03:27:54 <DocScrutinizer> NOLO in turn loads kernel (and maybe uBoot) from partition "kernel"
Apr 13 03:30:00 <DocScrutinizer> BUT: rom-bl stage-0 checks for xloader on several locations: USB, tty (under the battery), all mmc controllers (afaik all), so at very least uSD and probably also eMMC.
Apr 13 03:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> you could - *theoretically* - place xloader on a uSD, and make that xloader so that it loads NOLO from uSD as well rather than from NAND. Now if you get a patched NOLO there as well, you could load kernel (and uBoot) from whatever you can teach NOLO to do
Apr 13 03:33:25 <DocScrutinizer> nobody ever tested that approach afaik
Apr 13 03:34:30 <DocScrutinizer> maybe the serial alternatives for flasher are more like it, you can reach USB under battery, and there's the console tty also, on some other testpads
Apr 13 03:36:00 <DocScrutinizer> you "just" need to conect USB D+/- to the two separate testpads next to the battery contacts, and connect USB VBUS to the right testpad as well (maybe), and flashing should work
Apr 13 03:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia care has special testbed contraptions to flash device via "FBUS", that's probably the tty under the battery. This will also work with broken USB
Apr 13 03:38:45 <DocScrutinizer> but your best option would quite probably still be:
Apr 13 03:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Apr 13 03:38:49 <infobot> [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Apr 13 06:31:22 <jpinx> YaY \o/ got the damn slider fixed at last
Apr 13 06:32:22 <jpinx> it had been put together badly a long time ago and the plastic kbd surround had no gap for the metal hook on the slider, but all good now :)
Apr 13 06:33:00 <jpinx> now to re-flash...
Apr 13 09:21:26 <domedan> is there any good application to test the battery on a n900 with? to get information on how long the battery will last when under load / normal usage / active display etc
Apr 13 09:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> bq27k-detail
Apr 13 09:27:19 <DocScrutinizer> needs I2Ctools
Apr 13 09:29:09 <qchn> My N900 is alive. Hurray!
Apr 13 09:30:03 <DocScrutinizer> domedan: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2
Apr 13 09:33:42 <domedan> DocScrutinizer: thank you! btw. did you check the broken links to sflphone?
Apr 13 09:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, nope
Apr 13 09:39:02 <DocScrutinizer> somehow I forgot about it
Apr 13 09:39:38 <DocScrutinizer> there's also ShadowJK's bq27200.sh which doesn't need bash, and has nice concise loopmode
Apr 13 09:40:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh
Apr 13 09:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> the downside: it's not as comprehensive and way less nifty ;-P
Apr 13 09:41:26 <domedan> ok, bash was about the first things I installed on my n900 :) gonna check that one out too
Apr 13 10:23:35 <Evanescence> what is the command for Maemo5 "Recorder" ? I want to execute it in terminal.
Apr 13 10:24:26 <peterbjornx> try osso- and then <tab><tab> , see if its in the list
Apr 13 10:24:39 <peterbjornx> *try osso<tab><tab>
Apr 13 10:24:46 <peterbjornx> or maemo<tab><tab>
Apr 13 10:29:21 <DocScrutinizer51> maemo_recorder?
Apr 13 10:29:34 <peterbjornx> docscrutinizer
Apr 13 10:29:43 <peterbjornx> whats up with Xorg in maemo
Apr 13 10:29:52 <peterbjornx> it keeps segfaulting when run in a chroot
Apr 13 10:29:55 <DocScrutinizer51> hm?
Apr 13 10:30:03 <peterbjornx> dbus also throws out of memory
Apr 13 10:30:13 <peterbjornx> while i got swap enable
Apr 13 10:30:17 <peterbjornx> *enabled
Apr 13 10:30:18 <DocScrutinizer51> well...
Apr 13 10:30:40 <DocScrutinizer51> no idea
Apr 13 10:31:14 <peterbjornx> no one has had any problems with using Xsgx on a alt. os?
Apr 13 10:33:15 <DocScrutinizer51> I think you want to read in wiki about gfx accel etc
Apr 13 10:33:53 <DocScrutinizer51> it's a bit weird, since it's done in a userland closed app afaik
Apr 13 10:34:02 <peterbjornx> i got it running, and working but if any app tries to use and cpu/mem it segfaults
Apr 13 10:34:22 <DocScrutinizer51> well, X also is userland. Nevertheless
Apr 13 10:35:45 <DocScrutinizer51> I think it works flawlessly in e.g. easydebian
Apr 13 10:36:10 <DocScrutinizer51> at least that's what I heard
Apr 13 10:36:36 <peterbjornx> what i am doing is chrooting to maemo for X then exitting , switching to ezdebian
Apr 13 10:36:57 <peterbjornx> would ez debian work as a root fs? or is it missing crucial parts for standalone usage
Apr 13 10:37:04 <DocScrutinizer51> err wut?
Apr 13 10:37:36 <peterbjornx> well, is it a full debian rootfs or is it just the end user shit + libraries
Apr 13 10:38:32 <DocScrutinizer51> I dunno, never touched it
Apr 13 10:39:32 <DocScrutinizer51> never felt like needing a debian chroot
Apr 13 11:14:20 <ShadowJK> There's one value in eeprom still that I found useful to know from bq27200, I had code written but then nano crashed :(
Apr 13 11:14:56 <ShadowJK> and I didn't bother rewriting
Apr 13 12:40:37 <Sicelo> yeah
Apr 13 12:40:53 <Sicelo> checked tmo?
Apr 13 12:41:34 <Sicelo> lots of things could cause that.. and silly ones such as 'clogged' mic hole 
Apr 13 12:41:43 <tadzik> hello. I've seen that a number of people have had problems with dead microphones on their n900s; mine's not dead but people tend to complain that they barely hear me. Have you heard of such symptoms before?
Apr 13 12:41:45 <tadzik> Sicelo: tmo?
Apr 13 12:41:51 <Sicelo> ~tmo
Apr 13 12:41:52 <infobot> [tmo] http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes
Apr 13 12:42:17 <tadzik> yeah, tmo has about 20 pages long discussion about a broken mic in units from UK
Apr 13 12:42:44 <tadzik> mine's from UK too, but the mic is not completely broken
Apr 13 12:43:38 <Sicelo> what do you mean mic is broken?
Apr 13 12:45:34 <tadzik> broken as in "not working at all", that's the decription I've found on tmo somewhere. Mine is working, but not perfectly
Apr 13 12:45:48 <tadzik> I've now found some new discussions, will look through them
Apr 13 12:46:28 <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can replace the mic
Apr 13 12:46:33 <SpeedEvil> in practice, it may be tricky
Apr 13 12:46:51 <SpeedEvil> Does sound recording - with say 'sound recorder' - work?
Apr 13 12:47:54 <tadzik> I didn't check, I'll try after work
Apr 13 12:49:25 <SpeedEvil> Also - does the headset work
Apr 13 12:58:29 <tadzik> I'll check it out once I get back home and report here. Thanks for pointers
Apr 13 13:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> what did they do to those mics?
Apr 13 13:27:37 <DocScrutinizer> xray to death?
Apr 13 13:27:57 <DocScrutinizer> sth I could imagine well in UK
Apr 13 13:28:54 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: isn't the mic soldered to FPC?
Apr 13 13:41:21 <udovdh> hello
Apr 13 13:41:39 <udovdh> I plan to to use my N810 again for a bit, mainly for running Navit
Apr 13 13:41:49 <udovdh> maybe for using wifi while on the road
Apr 13 13:42:04 <udovdh> anybody has the latest on the state of maemo
Apr 13 13:42:16 <udovdh> and caveats w.r.t. crosscompiling navit?
Apr 13 13:42:24 <udovdh> I was able to do that 2 years ago or so
Apr 13 13:42:37 <udovdh> has anyhting changed, progressed, etc?
Apr 13 13:53:29 <narcos> Hi there. I have an N900 that I'd like to ssh into over the USB cable (to my Mac). I plug the device in and select PC mode, and then on the phone do "ifconfig usb0 up 192.168.99.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" and on the Mac "ifconfig en4 192.168.99.2 netmask 255.255.255.0". All is well and I can connect between the two. However, when I unplug the cable (to move my laptop or something) I cannot re-establish the connection.
Apr 13 13:53:40 <narcos> I take the network interface down on both phone and laptop, and bring them back p
Apr 13 13:53:41 <narcos> *up
Apr 13 13:53:45 <narcos> But there's no connectivity.
Apr 13 13:53:57 <narcos> If I reboot the laptop it works  - but that's a pain
Apr 13 13:56:03 <udovdh> narcos, routing is OK?
Apr 13 14:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> udovdh: check your supl setting for N810, there's a thread on tmo about it
Apr 13 14:55:18 <ampharos> Oh sonnabitch. You N900 users get 4.0 ported and active while we N800 users are stuck on a dead half-assed Android 1.6 - and no one makes anything for the OS2008 either :(
Apr 13 14:55:36 <tadzik> can the android phone make phone calls?
Apr 13 14:55:39 <tadzik> s/phone/port/
Apr 13 14:55:39 <infobot> tadzik meant: can the android port make phone calls?
Apr 13 14:55:47 <tadzik> ooh, infobot++
Apr 13 14:56:11 <ampharos> Always N900, never N800
Apr 13 15:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> ampharos: please go wining at #android or wherever 
Apr 13 15:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> this is #maemo
Apr 13 15:14:50 <guly> can't believe someone blame who buy good devices while she bought worse one
Apr 13 16:05:01 <tadzik> SpeedEvil: okay, back home. I don't know how loud is recorder supposed to be, but I can hear myself just fine, without having to hold the phone near my ear or anything
Apr 13 16:05:11 <tadzik> trying the "headset" now
Apr 13 16:07:22 <tadzik> okay, recording is by all means fine. Unless it's due to the fact that I'm charging my phone right now
Apr 13 16:15:39 <tadzik> I've now phoned a friend twice, and it seems to be that the phone "warms up". After about 10-15 seconds he hears me well, before I'm barely hearable
Apr 13 16:15:49 <tadzik> has anyone heard of such an issue?
Apr 13 16:22:10 <jpinx> tadzik: tried other networks?
Apr 13 16:23:07 <tadzik> jpinx: tried both 2G and 3G if that's what you mean. I didn't try another provider, no
Apr 13 16:25:27 <jpinx> tadzik: I meant provider ;)
Apr 13 16:26:12 * jpinx gets very different "effects" from diferent providers in the same location sometimes
Apr 13 16:28:38 <tadzik> huh, how often do you switch the provider? :)
Apr 13 16:28:49 <jpinx> lots ;)
Apr 13 16:29:13 <jpinx> pita having to reset the date when I change SIM
Apr 13 16:30:00 <tadzik> heh, even Nokia 3210 had this :)
Apr 13 16:30:04 <jpinx> and the chinese never bothered to try to make a twin SIM N900 --  only a twin SIM iPhone ;)
Apr 13 16:30:33 <tadzik> I guess I'll start a thread on tmo
Apr 13 16:30:34 <SpeedEvil> I'm sure I saw...
Apr 13 16:30:47 <jpinx> tadzik: yes - the N900 is a bit retarded in some ways
Apr 13 16:31:14 <jpinx> SpeedEvil: what did you see - date/time retention or a 2xSIM  N900 ?
Apr 13 16:31:29 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n900-2-5-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-33953?item=1
Apr 13 16:31:45 <jpinx> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n900-2-5-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-33953?item=1
Apr 13 16:32:20 <trx> lol
Apr 13 16:32:45 <tadzik> jpinx: what do you mean?
Apr 13 16:33:42 <jpinx> SpeedEvil: Item is temporarily sold out. :(
Apr 13 16:34:40 <Vib3> it was so popular
Apr 13 16:35:23 <jpinx> SpeedEvil: Operating System: Proprietary - wtf does *that* mean ? ;)
Apr 13 16:35:47 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is NOKLA?
Apr 13 16:36:18 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I dunno, but I just checked, and its stock price is higher than Nokia.
Apr 13 16:38:17 * jpinx will check the markets to see if it actually exists
Apr 13 16:39:18 <Vib3> it tries to be copy device
Apr 13 16:39:34 <Vib3> dx copy devices are shit quality..
Apr 13 16:40:23 <jpinx> doesn't look anything like an N900 - small screen and buttons on the front
Apr 13 16:40:40 <SpeedEvil> (I assume it doesn't exist - that was merely a comment on nokias price)
Apr 13 16:40:44 <Vib3> that MINI text is also terrible..
Apr 13 16:41:01 <Vib3> why to put a text like that in there..
Apr 13 16:42:14 <tadzik> thread opened: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1191705 Feedback would be much appreciated
Apr 13 16:43:25 <SpeedEvil> DX has wacky stuff
Apr 13 16:43:29 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/e-king-s515-5-0-resistive-screen-windows-xp-pocket-pc-w-slide-keyboard-wifi-3g-camera-16gb-125120?item=2
Apr 13 16:44:43 <SpeedEvil> 1850mAh battery - and an atom.
Apr 13 16:44:56 <jpinx> tadzik: eliminate any network or providers hiccups ;)
Apr 13 16:45:22 <Vib3> so n900 can't support multisim?
Apr 13 16:45:35 <SpeedEvil> Vib3: No.
Apr 13 16:45:42 <Vib3> ok
Apr 13 16:46:47 <jpinx> Vib3: we were talking about that the other day and it would be a lot of work to un-hack that
Apr 13 16:47:17 * jpinx totally mis-read that
Apr 13 16:47:50 <Vib3> ok
Apr 13 16:48:12 <jpinx> brainfart :/
Apr 13 16:48:27 <Vib3> by simple just select which sim to use
Apr 13 16:48:36 <Vib3> sounds simple ;p
Apr 13 16:48:51 <Vib3> but I can believe that it isn't
Apr 13 16:49:18 <jpinx> Vib3: afaik the OS needs to reboot on changing the sim
Apr 13 16:49:42 <Vib3> linux needs never to be booted :p
Apr 13 16:50:01 <Vib3> sometimes with kernel updates ofcourse
Apr 13 16:50:11 <tadzik> you could use kexec for those
Apr 13 16:50:49 <Vib3> just saying not with debian
Apr 13 16:51:05 <Vib3> ohh kexec is for all linuxes, mmm
Apr 13 19:21:15 <ShadowJK> Heh, there's more ads on tv for Nokia tyres than Nokia phones :)
Apr 13 19:24:10 <ShadowJK> People (kayakers?) sitting on cliffs by a river, in summer, when suddenly a lunatic on a snowmobile drives out of the woods, and aquaplanes onto the river then turns around halfway across river and goes back into the woods.
Apr 13 19:24:42 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 13 19:24:57 <SpeedEvil> Snowmobiling on water looks like fun.
Apr 13 19:25:01 <SpeedEvil> But...
Apr 13 19:25:15 <ShadowJK> If it goes wrong you lose an expensive vehicle :)
Apr 13 19:25:29 <SpeedEvil> Also - turning?
Apr 13 19:25:31 <SpeedEvil> Really?
Apr 13 19:29:31 <ShadowJK> ya
Apr 13 19:29:57 <ShadowJK> there are some waves, I think he's using those to assist turning
Apr 13 19:30:50 <ShadowJK> the belt does have some traction, thought not alot
Apr 13 19:31:10 <SpeedEvil> yeah - not much 'keel' thogh
Apr 13 19:35:55 <RST38h> looks like the "analysts" started smelling blood in the water
Apr 13 19:36:13 <RST38h> more and more pieces on Nokia's imminent smartphone market failure
Apr 13 19:36:55 <SpeedEvil> :/
Apr 13 20:12:42 <peterbjornx> hello again
Apr 13 20:13:13 <peterbjornx> so i decided to use a real maemo kernel instead ofa generic one for my project, but uboot wont boot it
Apr 13 20:13:36 <peterbjornx> i used mkimage, it goes on to load it, start it but then it just lets the wd time out
Apr 13 21:07:13 <ShadowJK> Does kernel pass on to userspace before wd?
Apr 13 21:08:19 <ShadowJK> if so, userspace is failing to poke wd
Apr 13 21:35:13 <jacekowski> wd is poked from userspace
Apr 13 21:40:11 <peterbjornx> i used emulator to test it
Apr 13 21:40:21 <peterbjornx> it actually crashes
Apr 13 21:40:27 <peterbjornx> before fbcon is enabled
Apr 13 21:40:34 <peterbjornx> seems like it doesnt like having mmc built in
Apr 13 22:01:23 <peterbjornx> exit
Apr 14 00:44:38 <FIQ|n900> hmm
Apr 14 00:45:57 <FIQ|n900> I installed curl to use sprung.us as terminal pastebin of stdout, but when I tried, I just get "curl: relocation error: curl: symbol curl_dostrdup, version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not defined in file libcurl.so.4 with link time reference", why?
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