**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 16 02:59:59 2012 Apr 16 03:35:16 Anyone know why Maemo is trying to use an obsolete DNS server? :/ Apr 16 03:37:53 context? Apr 16 06:41:26 I'm looking for an image viewer that doesn't suck as much as the internal one does. I was hoping I could get feh running, but it seems that's not available(?) Apr 16 06:42:24 scp1: you can use the browser - it allows you to zoom ;) Apr 16 06:42:33 what browser? Apr 16 06:42:55 scp1: what device are you talking about? Apr 16 06:43:00 n900 Apr 16 06:43:50 scp1: the browser in the n900 will view image files and allow zooming Apr 16 06:44:02 but what do you mean browser? :) Apr 16 06:44:11 the internet browser or the file browser? Apr 16 06:44:21 internet browser Apr 16 06:45:16 well, that's not very nice Apr 16 06:46:17 "nice" is highly subjective ;) Apr 16 06:48:14 this is for watching pretty girls so I'll have my hands busy, I'd at least need something that can slideshow the stuff for me. Now the builtin one allows that, but there's no way to configure the delay except for 'fast' and 'slow' (wtf?) Apr 16 06:49:02 ok, quiver seems to be a somewhat better alternative Apr 16 07:16:34 Maemo5 version 3.2010.02-8.003 Apr 16 07:17:37 how to update without reflash? Apr 16 07:23:11 you can do it OTA, altough i prefer flash Apr 16 07:23:46 Sicelo: what is OTA ? Apr 16 07:24:21 Over The Air Apr 16 07:24:37 over-the-air.. via your internet connection Apr 16 07:24:59 jpinx, go to App Manager > Update (and make a backup before updating) Apr 16 07:25:01 Sicelo: yes- but how to make my N900 do that? Apr 16 07:25:26 andre__: update does not offer anything about maemo version Apr 16 07:26:02 then your repos are probably mangled, or give them time to refresh Apr 16 07:26:26 Sicelo: been waiting about a day already ;) Apr 16 07:26:39 Sicelo: how to chaeck the repos? Apr 16 07:27:22 either way, i really don't see what you gain by doing it OTA.. aiui, you'll still have to re-install your your applications whether or not you use OTA upgrade Apr 16 07:28:23 where are the repos defined? Apr 16 07:29:03 in App. Manager.. they're called Catalogs Apr 16 07:30:34 Sicelo: thanks :) Apr 16 07:32:25 yw Apr 16 07:47:10 Sicelo: but the sources are not visible unless there is an internet connection? Apr 16 07:47:19 sorry - catalogues ;) Apr 16 07:47:33 Hey all. I'm looking for an external battery pack on Amazon.co.uk for my N900. Most options I find say that "this product is not compatible with N900 dumb USB charger". From reading various articles it seems there's some USB handshaking business that is required to go on with the N900. However, I've found the 'CA-146C' adapter, which goes from 2.5mm jack to mini USB. Has anyone had experience with this device? Or could recommend an external battery p Apr 16 07:47:33 ack to go with the N900? Apr 16 07:50:57 jpinx: no. you don't need to be connected to view catalogs.. sometimes they take a while to appear (esp. if you have devl enabled) Apr 16 08:32:15 Any devs about? i am not a programmer but a somewhat "geeky" end user. I have some (limited) experience of building packages for deb (just the kernel really) on x86. I want to try out "mosh" but it looks like its not in any of the repos for Freemantle and its not in squeeze backports so I can't use it in a squeeze chroot. Apr 16 08:32:48 my options therefore seem to be to try and build a deb for maemo or to try and build something for squeeze (armel). Apr 16 08:32:51 i have found this: Apr 16 08:33:00 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing Apr 16 08:33:17 is this a reasonable starting point to try and figure out what i need to do or can someone give me some better pointers? Apr 16 08:34:41 well, first thing to do is make sure it compiles and works Apr 16 08:34:49 then worry about building packages Apr 16 08:34:56 hmmm. Apr 16 08:36:05 so i probably want some sort of qemu based arm dev environment that i can mess around in without causing too much damage. Apr 16 08:36:13 scratchbox Apr 16 08:36:52 then you can submit package to maemo autobuilder Apr 16 08:36:57 and it will go into repo Apr 16 08:38:07 ugh Apr 16 08:38:14 i dunno if i have any 32 bit linux machines... Apr 16 08:38:16 :P Apr 16 08:38:20 you don't need 32bit Apr 16 08:38:29 all you have to do is disable vdso Apr 16 08:38:40 aah. Apr 16 08:38:42 o.k. Apr 16 08:38:53 Linux jacekowski.org 3.2.13-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 29 09:48:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux Apr 16 08:39:04 that's what i've got and it's working fine Apr 16 08:39:56 o.k. Apr 16 08:40:02 this looks like it might be fun. Apr 16 08:40:33 it is Apr 16 08:41:02 just remember if you have vdso enabled it will crash and burn Apr 16 08:41:07 without any warnings Apr 16 08:41:15 you will just get random segfaults and other errors Apr 16 09:15:35 moin moin. i followed the instructions on this site (1) for installing scratchbox and sdk on a debian based system with textbased install using debs. scratchbox install went fine but when running ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh and its wants to install .debs for the fremantle target i get tons of errors like Errors were encountered while processing: hal ke-recv hildon-application-framework-packages hildon-application-framework etc.....and it exits wit Apr 16 09:15:35 h E: Sub-process dpkg returned an error code 1 E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on FREMANTLE_ARMEL target. (1) http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Apr 16 09:33:16 vizzy: you skipped the useful part of the error messages Apr 16 09:33:41 r00t|home, ? Apr 16 09:33:42 vizzy: all those just say that _something_ failed, the error itself is further up Apr 16 09:33:59 maybe pastebin the whole output Apr 16 09:34:04 k Apr 16 09:44:34 http://pastebin.com/RD8hQLEL Apr 16 09:44:37 @ r00t|home Apr 16 09:47:20 i wonder about those errors like: killall nt found and awk: fatal: could not find groups: Invalid argument Apr 16 09:48:08 sb is working, i can logi etc, but i guess my target is a bit broken Apr 16 09:48:28 or is that stuff about hal not critical because of missing hardware :-)) ? Apr 16 09:48:53 im not a dev, just wanna install the sdk and check if i can compile some nice missing stuff for the n900 Apr 16 09:49:12 so in first place i need a working sdk :) Apr 16 10:29:44 hi all Apr 16 10:30:48 I'm searching the wiki for infos on sync to a ldap server, but... found nothing Apr 16 10:30:57 anyone using this type of sync ? Apr 16 10:31:31 I'd like to build a ldap directory to sync with my webmail and maybe a heavy client supporting ldap directories Apr 16 10:35:58 maybe via SyncEvolution, never tried Apr 16 11:13:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1192719#post1192719 Apr 16 11:20:50 narcos: I'm using CA146 all the time with one of my N900. I wonder what this "not compatible with N900 dumb charger" might mean. It's no special dumb charger, it's a normal USB 5V powersupply with D+/- line short for signalling fastcharging to N900, according to an official USB spec. Apr 16 12:13:08 is there anyway to reconnect wifi when it has been disconnected by the network? i use my n900 to download torrents and leave it overnight then get pissed in the morning finding out that the connection has been disconnected for some reason Apr 16 12:14:06 I wonder if setting mail to chec every 10 mins owudl wojrh Apr 16 12:14:07 woru Apr 16 12:14:10 would work Apr 16 12:14:59 torrents are not used for anything good Apr 16 12:16:04 kent_autistic: settings->internet connection, turn "auto-connect" on and "switch to wlan when available" on Apr 16 12:19:13 kent_autistic: checkmark "[x] use WLAN if available" in settings-internet Apr 16 12:20:19 kent_autistic: do NOT use any auto-disconnect app. If you already installed it, you may have to reflash, as it's obviously unclear how to completely revert the mess it's causing Apr 16 12:21:13 kent_autistic: also see answer on tmo re kbd bl Apr 16 12:21:25 oooooooh so when i need it to stay connected i just have to configure those settings. then revert to not automatically connect when not downloading anything. seriously why didnt i think of that. Apr 16 12:21:33 thanks yall! Apr 16 12:26:20 kent_autistic: why would you want to NOT connect to WLAN if you don't have anything to download? Apr 16 12:26:58 kent_autistic: also I don't get it why your WLAN connection would get disconnected once its established Apr 16 12:27:33 unless you got some nasty auto-disconnect app installed, see above Apr 16 12:27:38 idk there are just times when my device suddenly gets disconnected Apr 16 12:27:49 nope, no auto-dc here Apr 16 12:28:07 hmm, yeah. Sorry, I forgot, I see that as well occasionally Apr 16 12:28:55 but I don't mind as all my devices are auto-connecting to WLAN whenever available Apr 16 12:29:53 i dont want auto connect all the time as it eats battery power by always refreshing and checking if there are available connections. right? Apr 16 12:30:06 on a decent AP that supports power saving mode aka PSM, the power consumption impact is minimal Apr 16 12:30:30 To the extent that I get ~1 week on wifi with ssh connected Apr 16 12:31:02 when you're roaming, the checking for available WLAN networks happens every 5..30 or 60 minustes, depending on your settings Apr 16 12:31:37 yep and im sure that consumes power Apr 16 12:31:52 btw what does power saving mode do? Apr 16 12:31:56 so if you don't run the scan too frequently, it's also bearable regarding power consumption Apr 16 12:33:00 PSM "suspends" the WLAN RX for extended periods of time, waking on a timer based schedule to listen if AP is announcing any data to be transmitted Apr 16 12:33:41 Without power-save mode, wifi recieve - idle - will drain the battery in about 8 hours Apr 16 12:33:47 With it - a week Apr 16 12:33:50 for this to work correctly, both the AP and the N900 have to sync their timers in WLAN chips, which is what fails on several crappy AP Apr 16 12:34:10 AP? Apr 16 12:34:21 access point? Apr 16 12:34:27 ooh Apr 16 12:34:39 the thing with an antenna and a internet cable Apr 16 12:35:24 oh yeah i have one of those! Apr 16 12:35:33 :) Apr 16 12:41:02 * DocScrutinizer thinks of a soldier in one of the messaging tower in ancient times, who needs to watch next tower miles away whole night and day for light or flag signals. They for sure used sand glass to get 15 min off, then watch other tower for the other soldier signalling he turned his sand glass this moment and no further important message pending Apr 16 12:42:00 PSM is just the same Apr 16 12:42:56 coolio ty! Apr 16 12:43:29 * RST38h moos Apr 16 12:43:41 but that doesnt affect wifi speed when im browsing or something right? Apr 16 12:44:02 * Robot101 thinks of the family guy episode where they light a series of beacons... :) Apr 16 12:44:07 no, as then your soldiers will enter busy mode and watch all the time Apr 16 12:44:30 got it Apr 16 13:09:59 can the sdk and scratchbox installed on a debian lenny? Apr 16 13:10:20 i ask because i get tons of errors following the tutorials and howtos now for some days. Apr 16 13:11:40 my recently acquired 2nd hand n900 has maemo5 version 3.2010.02-8.003 and I checked the repos, but there is no offer to upgrade the OS when I ask the application manager to update. Am I missing something? Apr 16 13:15:28 vizzy: the sdk has always sucked.. there is an image floating around but some here might say it is a comp out Apr 16 13:15:44 jpinx: did you update the repos? Apr 16 13:16:09 Macer: a «comp out»? Apr 16 13:16:29 Macer: yes - I copied them from my good working n900 Apr 16 13:16:49 StyXman: "the easy route" Apr 16 13:17:23 jpinx: weird.. should still be on there somewhere.. you can always flash it with the latest Apr 16 13:17:42 Macer: I copied from the n900 running v 21.2011.38-1 Apr 16 13:17:59 the repos should be the same for the most part Apr 16 13:17:59 Macer: I am being awkward and trying to avoid flashing ;) Apr 16 13:18:21 unless nokia shut down maemo.org without telling anybody heh Apr 16 13:18:30 i hate nokia to death but i still want an e7 Apr 16 13:19:07 Macer: I updated my good n900 from the same repos, and it seemed to work ok Apr 16 13:19:28 I am now trying to get my 2nd n900 up to date Apr 16 13:19:30 i can't remember what the latest maemo was Apr 16 13:19:36 the last official mameo Apr 16 13:19:44 are you sure that isn't the latest nokia released version? Apr 16 13:19:57 to get it up to date with cssu you have to install the cssu stuff Apr 16 13:20:04 Macer: I copied from the n900 running v 21.2011.38-1 Apr 16 13:20:59 ok, so i give it up.... argh :(( Apr 16 13:21:03 the one I am trying to update has maemo5 version 3.2010.02-8.003 Apr 16 13:21:50 Macer: are there alternative repos? Apr 16 13:23:34 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Apr 16 13:23:42 that is the latest official firmware Apr 16 13:23:54 if you had anything newer it was cssu Apr 16 13:25:14 so right now you are running the latest maemo released while nokia was still doing its job Apr 16 13:25:32 type /topic and go to the community version to update further Apr 16 13:25:37 Macer: ok something odd here then because the n900 running 3.2010.02-8.003 also did not offer to update the os Apr 16 13:25:54 it won't until you add the cssu update Apr 16 13:25:59 er.. repo Apr 16 13:26:15 you have to go through the steps of adding the cssu tools in order to update the fw version yu're running now Apr 16 13:26:22 the one you have is the latest offical release from nokia Apr 16 13:29:34 Macer: I find cssu features configuration in the app mngr-- is that it? Apr 16 13:30:27 follow the instructions in the wiki located in the topic Apr 16 13:31:01 they are straightforward step by step instructions Apr 16 13:31:11 Macer: ok - thanks :) Apr 16 13:31:26 it doesn't take too long Apr 16 13:57:47 Macer: please, don't tell nonsense Apr 16 13:58:41 latest official full release is PR1.3, which got a SSU update to PR1.3.1 Apr 16 13:59:21 jpinx: I strongly suggest you flash that thing with recent maemo Apr 16 13:59:41 pr1.1.1 probably not even upgrade is supported anymore Apr 16 14:00:05 DocScrutinizer: my bad. i was just going off the bins that were on nokia's site Apr 16 14:00:25 i thought that was the latest Apr 16 14:00:26 ??? Apr 16 14:00:40 I guess you looked for VANILLA Apr 16 14:00:52 i just looked for the one with the latest date Apr 16 14:00:55 heh.. sorry Apr 16 14:01:26 :/ Apr 16 14:01:47 DocScrutinizer: ok ok :( Apr 16 14:02:21 ~flash Apr 16 14:02:35 alas she's offline since >1day Apr 16 14:02:39 :-/ Apr 16 14:04:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 16 14:04:26 DocScrutinizer: yep - got that confusing page thanks :) Apr 16 14:05:46 ouch. i now found th evmdk images of the maemo sdk but they wont start :)) its really a pain to get a sdk running..... Apr 16 14:08:20 jpinx: >>Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 / PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2<< http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 16 14:11:24 ok, now i found the important hint! somewhere in the text it is hidden, the sdk image is for maemo4 diablo :P Apr 16 14:11:29 jpinx: get that file, flash (in root shell) with flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Apr 16 14:11:29 wtf? Apr 16 14:11:42 DocScrutinizer: is there a way to get my more recent 21.2011.38-1 version to update itself online? Apr 16 14:12:36 sorry, you lost me Apr 16 14:13:03 21.2011.38-1 is as up-to-date as it gets Apr 16 14:13:04 DocScrutinizer: update without having to reflash Apr 16 14:13:14 in the future Apr 16 14:14:05 SSU will offer any update to you in HAM Apr 16 14:14:44 SSU is what? - something I have to install? Apr 16 14:15:00 no, it's a process actually Apr 16 14:15:10 seamless software update Apr 16 14:15:25 :) sounds good to me Apr 16 14:15:59 but presumably not up to making the jump from such an od version as I am trying to update? Apr 16 14:16:00 your maemo is checking for any updates every day, if you got connectivity Apr 16 14:16:37 I don't know why your pr1.1.1 doesn't offer updates. maybe your catalogs are incorrect Apr 16 14:17:09 I copied the catalogues from the uptodate n900 Apr 16 14:17:36 the PR1.3 catalogs are not the right ones for PR1.1.1 Apr 16 14:18:12 Ooo - where do I get the right catalogues entries for PR1.1.1 Apr 16 14:18:47 I don't know. I guess except of extras catalog they might be same for 1.1.1 and 1.3 Apr 16 14:18:59 not sure about that though Apr 16 14:19:59 Hmm - the update threw no errors, but did not offer a Maemo5 update Apr 16 14:20:06 anyway, I strongly suggest you flash to a known-good state rather than using any possibly messed up or even compromised OS you got with your used device Apr 16 14:21:29 DocScrutinizer: understood- thanks for the advice :) Apr 16 14:21:41 Hey all. I'd like to set up a captive portal on my N900 - so I can share my Internet, but people have to click 'agree' to some terms and conditions first. Any suggestions? Apr 16 14:21:43 honestly, even if it would work, update 1.1.1->1.2->1.3->1.3.1 is a royal PITA and takes hours Apr 16 14:27:49 and at least 4 reboots Apr 16 14:30:38 16:08 < DocScrutinizer> jpinx: >>Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 / PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2<< Apr 16 14:30:41 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Apr 16 14:30:43 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 16 14:30:46 16:11 < vizzy> ok, now i found the important hint! somewhere in the text it is hidden, the sdk image is for maemo4 diablo :P Apr 16 14:30:49 16:11 < DocScrutinizer> jpinx: get that file, flash (in root shell) with flasher-3.5 -F Apr 16 14:30:52 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Apr 16 14:31:55 Ooops - sorry :) Apr 16 15:00:45 wb infobot! \o/ Apr 16 15:00:46 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 16 15:01:13 hello Apr 16 15:01:48 i got it working, maemo on sd Apr 16 15:01:58 :-D Apr 16 15:02:25 no performance costs either Apr 16 15:02:36 why should there be any? Apr 16 15:02:53 im using some cheap sd Apr 16 15:02:58 hmm Apr 16 15:03:22 loading program text is a rare event Apr 16 15:03:34 2gb rootfs :) Apr 16 15:03:42 swapping is way more of a bottleneck Apr 16 15:03:56 So, I'd like to install lighthttpd to my N900. I see it listed here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ . I suspect I need to add a repo to the phone ? Apr 16 15:04:06 as if I search via apt-get I don't see it Apr 16 15:04:37 well, doesn't it mention which repo it's in? Apr 16 15:05:02 only problem is that maemo kernel has a bug that breaks built in mmc driver when cpufreq is also built in Apr 16 15:05:30 narcos: Fremantle Extras-testing free armel lighttpd 1.4.26-2 Apr 16 15:07:08 DocScrutinizer: So, of the options listed how do we choose that one? Shall I add a repository on the phone somewhere, or just wget the .deb file to the phone? Apr 16 15:07:22 narcos: so you either add testing (or devel) repo to your catalogs, or you download the dpkg and install locally Apr 16 15:07:43