**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 19 02:59:59 2012
Apr 19 03:46:22 <Macer> using my n900 with its paper fix
Apr 19 03:46:27 <Macer> wow this sucks
Apr 19 03:46:42 <Macer> blah
Apr 19 11:07:26 <ErwinJunge> Is there a mediaplayer for N900 that supports gapless playback and is not rockbox? I tried searching but keep turning up rockbox and really hate that UI.
Apr 19 11:44:34 <Macer> yeah. this damn paper trick isnt working anymore :-( 
Apr 19 11:44:45 <Macer> n900 is officially broken
Apr 19 11:45:03 <SpeedEvil> :/
Apr 19 11:45:31 <SpeedEvil> have you tried wrapping it in a towel?
Apr 19 11:46:02 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, there isn't a simple way to try to repair
Apr 19 11:55:34 <pcfe> DocScrutinizer: there's a pretty good chance google glasses is over hyped, maybe they found a way to get the display tech workign in real life and full field of vision without anyone noticing, and they got the power consumption under control, again without the rest of the industry catching on. But it's much more likely you'll be running around with a backpack if you want sth half working and you'll have something along the lines of VGA resolution in one corner of 
Apr 19 11:55:34 <pcfe> your field of vision/
Apr 19 12:30:09 <chem|st> Macer: what is your problem about?
Apr 19 12:32:44 <Macer> sim reader
Apr 19 12:32:57 <Macer> keeps giving me the no sim icon
Apr 19 12:33:07 <Macer> and sim reader keeps resetting
Apr 19 12:35:17 <chem|st> had that but it had nothing todo with the sim reader at all, went away without doing anything to the sim or reader at all
Apr 19 12:35:48 <chem|st> was about two weeks I got frequently an error after connecting to mobile internet services
Apr 19 12:36:08 <SpeedEvil> I had the same issue - and it was not fixed.
Apr 19 12:36:14 <chem|st> disconnecting it and bump no-sim
Apr 19 12:36:47 <Macer> yes. that is what it is doing
Apr 19 12:36:48 <chem|st> going offline mode and online again worked sometimes
Apr 19 12:37:00 <Macer> was trying that ;-) 
Apr 19 12:37:02 <chem|st> a reboot worked every time
Apr 19 12:37:18 <Macer> it cuts out.... comes back..... etc
Apr 19 12:37:19 <SpeedEvil> Not here.
Apr 19 12:37:22 <chem|st> so I doubt it is the connector but the controller
Apr 19 12:37:25 <SpeedEvil> (reboot)
Apr 19 12:37:26 <Macer> over and over at random times
Apr 19 12:37:37 <Macer> usually when using the modem
Apr 19 12:37:38 <chem|st> ok it was not random over here
Apr 19 12:37:49 <Macer> heh
Apr 19 12:38:03 <chem|st> switching from gsm to umts or going internet was triggering it
Apr 19 12:38:40 <Macer> yeah
Apr 19 12:38:57 <Macer> it happens when i access the internet via the modem
Apr 19 12:39:01 <Macer> it is weird
Apr 19 12:39:16 <Macer> i was going to flash it with stock maemo and see if that helps
Apr 19 12:39:33 <Macer> at least eliminate the possible sw probability
Apr 19 12:39:47 <Macer> if it still does it i will have to assume hw
Apr 19 12:40:33 <chem|st> guess firmware is the issue and I doubt you will be able to go back in firmware terms
Apr 19 12:45:35 <Sicelo> also.. one could try `ifconfig phonet0 down` then `ifconfig phonet0 up` .. if it's not hardware, that is :)
Apr 19 13:13:42 <ErwinJunge> To answer my own question re gapless playback: After much more searching and trying a lot of media players, nope. Only rockbox has gapless. I should probably look into updating MAFW to support gapless...
Apr 19 13:14:48 <tadzik> isn't mpd available?
Apr 19 13:15:14 <tadzik> there may be no good client on maemo though
Apr 19 13:18:07 <ErwinJunge> tadzik, exactly the other way around. mpd clients galore, but no mpd :)
Apr 19 13:18:13 <SpeedEvil> :/
Apr 19 13:19:21 <ErwinJunge> Anyways, if someone would hack gapless into mafw, all of the players that use mafw (nearly all players) would have gapless. So that's now on my todo-when-i-have-some-time list
Apr 19 13:20:48 <tadzik> heh
Apr 19 14:39:45 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/19/nokia_earnings_ouch/
Apr 19 15:39:16 <micahf> hey, is it possible to receive incoming SIP calls on an n900 while asleep, only using WIFI?
Apr 19 15:40:49 <jpinx> is it possible to flash from a vm ?
Apr 19 15:45:49 <jacekowski> jpinx: no
Apr 19 15:45:56 <jacekowski> jpinx: well, kinda, but no
Apr 19 15:46:12 <jpinx> jacekowski: expand "kinda" ? ;)
Apr 19 15:46:58 <jacekowski> it will take you longer to set it up and it will be unreliable
Apr 19 15:47:10 <jacekowski> than it will take you to install linux\windows or any other supported OS 
Apr 19 15:47:54 <chem|st> micahf: yes
Apr 19 15:48:03 <jpinx> jacekowski: I'm told that flashing from XP is not as reliable as from linux - is that right?
Apr 19 15:48:08 <jacekowski> no
Apr 19 15:48:36 <chem|st> jacekowski: sometimes usb enumeration does funny things...
Apr 19 15:48:40 <micahf> chem|st that's exciting, i just ordered an n900 and am trying an experiment to use only SIP over city-wide wifi
Apr 19 15:48:42 <jacekowski> coldflashing is bit of a problem because device only appears for like 3s which is less time than it takes for windows to enumerate and install drivers for the first time
Apr 19 15:48:47 <chem|st> jpinx: win7 has some issues afair
Apr 19 15:48:51 <jacekowski> but normal flashing isn't a problem
Apr 19 15:49:05 <jacekowski> apparently there is some funny stuff happening on 64bits but that's on linux and windows
Apr 19 15:49:19 <chem|st> jacekowski: never had those issues on linux
Apr 19 15:49:56 <chem|st> micahf: would love to have city-wide-wifi over here^^
Apr 19 15:50:05 <jpinx> Hmmm - think I'll reboot into debian ;)  thanks jacekowski chem|st :)
Apr 19 15:50:38 <micahf> it's been something of a dream for a while to ditch mobile providers for the local wifi!
Apr 19 15:50:49 <chem|st> micahf: SIP skype jabber, anything you like even msn calling
Apr 19 15:53:41 <micahf> what do you suppose the battery will act like with SIP always waiting for calls over wifi?
Apr 19 15:53:58 <micahf> i might need to get one of those solar chargers :D
Apr 19 15:54:30 <jpinx> micahf: on wifi I get about 6 hours
Apr 19 15:54:55 <micahf> jpinx: and that's part of the time using it and part time standby?
Apr 19 15:55:44 <jpinx> wifi on seems to use a lot
Apr 19 15:56:57 <chem|st> jpinx: depends, the 6 hours I get is with skype logged in
Apr 19 15:57:09 <jpinx> micahf: gprs on <3G also uses a lot - I can not get through a day
Apr 19 15:57:21 <chem|st> pure wifi on gsm/umts off lasts alot longer
Apr 19 15:57:44 <jpinx> chem|st: skype munches bandwidth, cpucycles, batteries, your lunch,,,,,,
Apr 19 15:57:51 <micahf> maybe i'll try and get a 2400 mAh battery
Apr 19 15:58:05 <chem|st> jpinx: do not forget your first born son
Apr 19 15:58:17 <micahf> man, it must have munched mine before it was ever even born!
Apr 19 15:58:24 <micahf> bummer
Apr 19 15:58:33 <jpinx> micahf: I have a little external battery pack with 2 x AA in it - that gets me through
Apr 19 15:58:52 <micahf> that's a good idea
Apr 19 15:58:57 <jpinx> and I turn skype off ;)
Apr 19 15:59:12 <chem|st> some sacrifices you have to make to have 24/7 mobileSIP!
Apr 19 15:59:30 <micahf> i think they'll be worth it!
Apr 19 15:59:54 <chem|st> they are!
Apr 19 15:59:55 <micahf> i can always just put it in airplane mode  and get some away time
Apr 19 16:00:03 <chem|st> sure
Apr 19 16:00:21 <chem|st> and anywhere you have USB you have a charger!
Apr 19 16:00:28 <micahf> maybe i'll write a python script or something that does scheduled away time
Apr 19 16:00:46 <micahf> yes USB is easy to find!
Apr 19 16:00:50 <chem|st> or buy a solarbattery^^ $40... 2000mAh
Apr 19 16:01:28 <jpinx> micahf: I'm out in the sticks - the battery pack was my best option with rechargeable AA's
Apr 19 16:01:34 <chem|st> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/c5a7/?srp=4
Apr 19 16:02:04 <micahf> thats pretty nice
Apr 19 16:02:08 <jpinx> micahf: there are single AAA external packs - but be warned - they are not enough ;)
Apr 19 16:02:16 <micahf> i see
Apr 19 16:02:25 <jpinx> I mean AA --  no AAA
Apr 19 16:02:49 <micahf> yeah, you're saying go with the AA's, the AAA's aren't big enough
Apr 19 16:03:31 <jpinx> yes - and go for 2 AA's --  not a single one
Apr 19 16:03:44 <DocScrutinizer> ooh mo bile SIP
Apr 19 16:04:02 <micahf> yes! isn't it exciting?
Apr 19 16:04:46 <DocScrutinizer> on all the standby time figures I posted for/from my device last month+ I always forgot to mention I had not only IRC but also SIP active
Apr 19 16:04:49 <jpinx> micahf: and also nte that the recharge rate is slow, so it's best to actually have the ext power plugged in while the phone is on 
Apr 19 16:05:29 <micahf> DocScrutinizer: where are those?
Apr 19 16:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> in chanlog?
Apr 19 16:06:09 <lartza_> I've noticed that jabber doesn't take bandwidth at all after tuning /usr/share/osso-rtcom/jabber.profile keepalive 
Apr 19 16:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> meh, keepalive is zarro bandwitz
Apr 19 16:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> it's just frequent, and that is going to kill your standby time
Apr 19 16:07:40 <Macer> OK
Apr 19 16:07:44 <Macer> got my lumia 900 :)
Apr 19 16:07:45 <Macer> lol
Apr 19 16:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> when on GSM/3G
Apr 19 16:07:52 <chem|st> lartza_: SIP and jabber are both pretty well on interrupts and wakeups
Apr 19 16:08:18 <chem|st> Macer: you wont save nokia with supporting windows phones...
Apr 19 16:08:37 <lartza_> DocScrutinizer: yeah I thought increasing the keepalive made it less frequent
Apr 19 16:08:51 <chem|st> Macer: what do you want for your n900?
Apr 19 16:08:53 <lartza_> increasing standby time
Apr 19 16:09:36 <lartza_> anyway skype eats the battery in less than a day, jabber can stay online for 2-3 days
Apr 19 16:09:48 <chem|st> lartza_: so does SIP
Apr 19 16:10:35 <micahf> DocScritinizer: so there are ways to optimize?
Apr 19 16:11:50 <chem|st> micahf: SIP is quiet good itself
Apr 19 16:12:13 <chem|st> skype and msn are a nightmare
Apr 19 16:13:49 <micahf> yeah i only plan on using SIP really. it'd be nice if i could receive sms messages
Apr 19 16:14:24 <Macer> chem|st: lol
Apr 19 16:14:35 <Macer> chem|st: i won't save nokia doing anything ;) they'll have to save themselves
Apr 19 16:14:36 <chem|st> Macer: what? I am serious!
Apr 19 16:14:42 <Macer> but jesus.. att was almost giving them away
Apr 19 16:14:53 <Macer> 100 off your first bill.. 100 free accessories... 99 for thephone
Apr 19 16:15:32 <micahf> DocScrutinizer: so basically you're saying that there are ways to optimize how often the antenna is used?
Apr 19 16:15:42 <Macer> chem|st: i don't know. how much will you pay for an n900 with a broken sim reader?
Apr 19 16:15:50 <Macer> the more tech savvy might want to see if they can fix it
Apr 19 16:16:08 <micahf> Macer or they won't use sim, they'll use SIP :D
Apr 19 16:16:11 <chem|st> Macer: that's the only way to sell crap shit, in europe there is still no market for lumias at all
Apr 19 16:16:12 <Macer> lol
Apr 19 16:16:22 <Macer> chem|st: it is nice ;)
Apr 19 16:16:24 <Macer> i'm using it now
Apr 19 16:16:30 <Macer> hey... the interface is better than maemo :-P
Apr 19 16:16:36 <Macer> only thing it's missing is xterm :(
Apr 19 16:17:04 <chem|st> Macer: I read reviews like 'nice for a day or two then I moved back to my old phone and sold it'
Apr 19 16:17:53 <chem|st> bb
Apr 19 16:19:53 <Macer> LOL
Apr 19 16:19:53 <chem|st> mailinglist sounds like nokia is interested in reviving maemo...
Apr 19 16:19:59 <micahf> what's the lumia like?
Apr 19 16:20:01 <Macer> chem|st: if you say so
Apr 19 16:20:11 <Macer> i don't judge based on others ;)
Apr 19 16:20:35 <chem|st> nokia offering developer N9s to push Qt...
Apr 19 16:20:47 <Macer> heh
Apr 19 16:20:51 <Macer> how is the n9 doing in europe?
Apr 19 16:21:14 <chem|st> n9 sold more than all lumia together
Apr 19 16:21:20 <chem|st> more often
Apr 19 16:21:23 <chem|st> sry
Apr 19 16:22:42 <micahf> lumia is a windows phone?
Apr 19 16:22:45 <chem|st> nokia was blaming the nokia stores presenting the lumias wrong
Apr 19 16:22:48 <chem|st> micahf: yes
Apr 19 16:22:53 <micahf> bummer
Apr 19 16:23:00 <chem|st> micahf: 2nd
Apr 19 16:23:10 <micahf> sounds like a sad day for everyone :(
Apr 19 16:23:42 <micahf> (i'm just jk, some people like windows and that's alright)
Apr 19 16:23:54 <chem|st> well nokia lost 980mEUR over the last 3 month NSE lost 1bEUR though...
Apr 19 16:24:03 <micahf> that's a lot!
Apr 19 16:24:13 <chem|st> 66% market loss in china
Apr 19 16:24:15 <micahf> i am still using a nokia 6260 with symbian
Apr 19 16:24:31 <micahf> oh wait, that's not right
Apr 19 16:24:39 <micahf> 6620
Apr 19 16:24:51 <micahf> http://www.redwoodsoft.com/~dru/tech/Nokia_6620.jpg
Apr 19 16:24:56 <micahf> pretty amazing phone
Apr 19 16:25:41 <joga> looks like soap
Apr 19 16:26:11 <micahf> haha
Apr 19 16:26:13 <micahf> good point
Apr 19 16:26:18 <joga> I once had a nearly similar one but different model, more rectangular frame
Apr 19 16:26:20 <Macer> haha
Apr 19 16:26:21 <micahf> well mine could use some soap
Apr 19 16:26:25 <Macer> chem|st: well they are selling out in the states
Apr 19 16:26:35 <Macer> and lord knows we have far more debt to work with than eu when buying shit we can't afford :)
Apr 19 16:26:56 <Macer> look at our awesome 14T govt debt
Apr 19 16:26:59 <Macer> (high fives)
Apr 19 16:27:02 <Macer> thank god we have tanks
Apr 19 16:27:08 <micahf> (high five!)
Apr 19 16:27:17 <micahf> our police departments have tanks
Apr 19 16:27:32 <Macer> wow really?
Apr 19 16:27:33 <micahf> the pentagon has a program to give police departments tanks for free!
Apr 19 16:27:34 <micahf> yes
Apr 19 16:27:38 <Macer> soviet russia? :)
Apr 19 16:27:41 <tadzik> water tanks, maybe ;)
Apr 19 16:27:54 <micahf> well yes, amphibious tanks
Apr 19 16:28:01 <tadzik> even better
Apr 19 16:28:19 <micahf> http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-05/news/30476833_1_armored-vehicles-military-equipment-police-forces
Apr 19 16:28:54 <Macer> i sure wish this damn ms phone had the ability to use integrated gtalk tho
Apr 19 16:28:57 <Macer> that is a drawback
Apr 19 16:29:05 <Macer> but one i can live with 
Apr 19 16:29:17 <joga> hmm...no upgrade path from mango to apollo eh
Apr 19 16:29:23 <tadzik> Macer: no xmpp client?
Apr 19 16:29:30 <Macer> tadzik: i got one from teh market
Apr 19 16:29:32 <joga> (http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade)
Apr 19 16:29:34 <tadzik> I see
Apr 19 16:29:38 <Macer> well.. not a xmpp client
Apr 19 16:29:44 <Macer> a gtalk only client
Apr 19 16:29:48 <Macer> but i'm sure there are jabber ones out there
Apr 19 16:29:53 <Macer> i just didn't bother 
Apr 19 16:29:57 <tadzik> gtalk only smells fishy to me
Apr 19 16:30:05 <tadzik> but sounds good enough if that's what you use it for anyway
Apr 19 16:30:34 <Macer> heh
Apr 19 16:30:37 <Macer> it's IM
Apr 19 16:30:38 <Macer> :-P 
Apr 19 16:30:48 <Macer> i just wish they all used jabber/xmpp
Apr 19 16:30:53 <Macer> so they would all work together
Apr 19 16:31:04 <tadzik> well, gtalk is just xmpp
Apr 19 16:31:06 <Macer> but they're trying to hold on with a firm grip to their lame ass IM protocols
Apr 19 16:31:14 <Macer> to keep their cutomer base?
Apr 19 16:31:16 <Macer> lol
Apr 19 16:32:23 <tadzik> it makes no sense to me either. But I can see their reasoning, as in "if they want to chat with facepalm users, make them do it via facepalm only"
Apr 19 16:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> micahf: I haven't "optimized" anyrhing for SIP, au contraire. I've set keepalive to "by REGISTER" and "120s"
Apr 19 16:53:44 <micahf> hm
Apr 19 16:53:49 <micahf> by register?
Apr 19 16:57:48 <micahf> i've been reading about anveo as an SIP provider
Apr 19 16:57:53 <micahf> it's looking pretty good
Apr 19 16:58:17 <micahf> text messages are 4 pennies each, which really isn't bad.
Apr 19 16:59:35 <micahf> it could definitely add up though
Apr 19 17:53:11 <narcos> Hey all!
Apr 19 18:09:26 <demute> if your Nokia N900 broke today what phone would you buy?
Apr 19 18:11:54 <tadzik> some cheap HTC I guess
Apr 19 18:23:22 <jaska> some featurephone
Apr 19 19:01:14 <narcos> Hi all. I'm trying to compile a custom power kernel. To that end, I'm trying to get scratchbox going with the nokia binaries by following http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners
Apr 19 19:01:52 <narcos> At the point where I open scratchbox with /scratchbox/login, the guide tells me to enter 'sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL'
Apr 19 19:02:12 <narcos> But I get the error of "sbrsh-conf: No such target"
Apr 19 19:02:53 <narcos> It seems maybe I need to create the target first, so I run sb-menu and select "Setup a target"
Apr 19 19:03:06 <narcos> and then select new
Apr 19 19:03:24 <narcos> I guess I should enter the name as "FREMANTLE_ARMEL"
Apr 19 19:03:42 <narcos> but then I am unsure of what compiler to select
Apr 19 19:03:56 <narcos> cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 or cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 or host-gcc
Apr 19 19:04:11 <narcos> I guess the arm7, right? Since I want to compile for the arm processor on the phone
Apr 19 19:25:36 <Macer> hm
Apr 19 19:26:22 <Macer> ok
Apr 19 20:53:06 <vizzy> great, i must be blind or nowhere is mentioned that the maemo sdk installer only works with squeeze withour errors. argh.
Apr 19 21:22:23 <MrPingu> Hi 
Apr 19 22:45:29 <merlin1991> vizzy: prefered install method is manual anyway
Apr 19 22:45:36 <merlin1991> the sdk installer is known to go foobar
Apr 19 22:45:50 <vizzy> merlin1991, yes, seems so
Apr 19 22:46:33 <vizzy> i tried a few days long on a lenny box, again and again. then i mentioned that the most important information is at bottom of the wiki page, the manual install
Apr 19 22:46:44 <vizzy> i switched to a lenny virtualbox session and all went fine
Apr 19 22:47:48 <vizzy> now i set up a squeeze box on an old pentium 700 laptop ..... still installing
Apr 19 22:48:25 <merlin1991> btw if you already have a setup you can shortcut the procedure
Apr 19 22:48:42 <vizzy> how?
Apr 19 22:48:42 <merlin1991> install the scratchbox packages only
Apr 19 22:48:55 <merlin1991> run the unmount command on your original install
Apr 19 22:49:02 <merlin1991> and scp the maemo targets over
Apr 19 22:49:30 <vizzy> problem on the p800 is, its outside in the garden, connected to internet via gprs and accessible through vpn only... which is really slow, hehe
Apr 19 22:49:50 <merlin1991> get it in? :D
Apr 19 22:50:06 <vizzy> so i attach to a screen session every few hours and see if it still downloads
Apr 19 22:50:27 <vizzy> merlin1991, no, i cant, its used as a weatherstation, i just hijacked it... hehe
Apr 19 22:50:34 <merlin1991> lol
Apr 19 22:50:41 <merlin1991> get a cable out there?
Apr 19 22:50:59 <vizzy> no way, its 5km from here, hehe
Apr 19 22:51:08 <merlin1991> ah okay xD
Apr 19 22:51:28 <merlin1991> btw you can also add harmattan targets ;)
Apr 19 22:51:38 <vizzy> harmattan?
Apr 19 22:51:45 <vizzy> something like hathor? *g
Apr 19 22:51:53 <merlin1991> as in maemo6 (n9)
Apr 19 22:51:56 <vizzy> ah
Apr 19 22:52:12 <vizzy> my intention is to compile tincd vpn for the n900
Apr 19 22:52:18 <merlin1991> ah :D
Apr 19 22:52:34 <merlin1991> I've got a setup here with harmattan, and 2 seperate maemo targets xD
Apr 19 22:52:35 <vizzy> so, if i got it installed, i still need to know where to start
Apr 19 22:52:45 <merlin1991> /scratchbox/login
Apr 19 22:52:47 <merlin1991> and compile
Apr 19 22:52:49 <merlin1991> ;)
Apr 19 22:53:06 <vizzy> is it like ...erm... on a normal linux box, set up source, configure, compile static, make a tgz and it will run on the n900 ?
Apr 19 22:53:09 <vizzy> ah ok :)
Apr 19 22:53:52 <vizzy> i did lfs a long time, and updated a rh7 box for 10 years from sources but never crosscompiled anything
Apr 19 22:53:55 <merlin1991> and you only have to compile static what isn't in the n900 (or deploy the libraries)
Apr 19 22:54:11 <merlin1991> scratchbox does all the work for you
Apr 19 22:54:25 <vizzy> merlin1991, thats the question, tincd would be depending on some libs, like at least libopenssl 
Apr 19 22:54:54 <vizzy> its a very small vpn tool, but great, runs on my openwrt wifi-3g router
Apr 19 22:54:54 <merlin1991> btw you can install package into the scratchbox (when you're logged in)
Apr 19 22:55:05 <vizzy> hmm, i never did a deb package before
Apr 19 22:55:19 <merlin1991> so libs that aren't on device but in extras can be used aswell inside scratchbox
Apr 19 22:56:07 <merlin1991> hm I wonder if libopenssl is in there: http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssl/
Apr 19 22:56:30 <merlin1991> because that would be avaiable inside scratchbox from the beginning
Apr 19 22:56:40 <vizzy> is there a good howto on how to make packages for the n900 from a non debian source package?
Apr 19 22:56:57 <merlin1991> you can just run make / configure inside scratchbox
Apr 19 22:57:03 <merlin1991> and copy the resulting binary
Apr 19 22:57:12 <vizzy> ok
Apr 19 22:57:24 <merlin1991> or you can go the long way and properly debianize the source
Apr 19 22:57:29 <vizzy> i know how to do that :))
Apr 19 22:57:34 <merlin1991> (which in the end would call configure and make anyway)
Apr 19 22:57:35 <vizzy> oh no please no debianizing
Apr 19 22:57:44 <vizzy> thats a long way
Apr 19 22:57:57 <merlin1991> nah it's 1 command and a lil bit of config editing
Apr 19 22:58:03 <vizzy> i read through the docu mentioned at the end of the maemo sdk howto, but it dont gets clear to me
Apr 19 22:58:08 <vizzy> hmm
Apr 19 22:58:25 <vizzy> merlin1991, i'll come up with that if its compiled
Apr 19 22:58:37 <vizzy> but, hmm, there is a deb src package for tinc already
Apr 19 22:58:41 <vizzy> maybe just using that
Apr 19 22:58:48 <vizzy> should have all deps then
Apr 19 22:59:07 <vizzy> but im always confused about debianizing things
Apr 19 22:59:22 <merlin1991> debhelper was a bitch
Apr 19 22:59:48 <merlin1991> and sadly the maemo sdk still creates the old confusing rules file even though the debhelper inside scratchbox properly builds new packages
Apr 19 23:00:02 <merlin1991> s/new/new as in done the new way/
Apr 19 23:00:02 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: and sadly the maemo sdk still creates the old confusing rules file even though the debhelper inside scratchbox properly builds new as in done the new way packages
Apr 19 23:00:48 <vizzy> ok, so just copy the binary and maybe libs to a proper place
Apr 19 23:00:54 <merlin1991> if the makefile is in place you often only have to drop the default rules file, write a changelog entry and put a little mumbojumbo into the controls file
Apr 19 23:01:01 <merlin1991> yeah
Apr 19 23:01:38 <vizzy> woah, vpn through tcpip and gprs is really slow, its still downloading some packages etc
Apr 19 23:01:49 <vizzy> ill fire up my vbox instead. 
Apr 19 23:02:55 <vizzy> merlin1991, so installing e.g. missing libopenssl will work as usual in scratchbox as on my n900? apt-get install something inside scratchbox armel target and then compile?
Apr 19 23:03:03 <merlin1991> yep
Apr 19 23:03:07 <vizzy> i cant elieve, must try it out now :D
Apr 19 23:03:23 <merlin1991> and it looks like the debian tinc package depends on libssl
Apr 19 23:03:29 <merlin1991> which actually is part of the sdk
Apr 19 23:03:33 <vizzy> ah cool
Apr 19 23:04:06 <vizzy> so i ll get a coffee now and start my first contribution to the n900 :D
Apr 19 23:04:06 <merlin1991> and liblzo and zlib should be there aswell
Apr 19 23:04:31 <merlin1991> the only problem you might run into using the debian source package is the init script
Apr 19 23:04:38 <merlin1991> maemo uses "something"
Apr 19 23:04:55 <vizzy> i may ask you some more question maybe lateron , hehe
Apr 19 23:05:10 <vizzy> yeah, tinc is best started in an xterm i guess
Apr 19 23:05:52 <vizzy> i didnt find out yet, and did not dig into it very much, how maemo starts apps at boottime
Apr 19 23:05:58 <merlin1991> upstart
Apr 19 23:06:28 <merlin1991> and I have nfc how to write upstart init scripts xD
Apr 19 23:07:55 <vizzy> nfc?
Apr 19 23:08:49 <merlin1991> no fucking clue
Apr 19 23:09:41 <merlin1991> even though that near field commusomething seems to be the stuff cool kids do nowadays we still use nfc with the old meaning in here :D
Apr 19 23:10:50 <ThreeM> hrhr
Apr 19 23:12:57 <ThreeM> bäh have to update all openssl installations on my machines :/
Apr 19 23:13:01 <ThreeM> again
Apr 19 23:13:15 <ThreeM> damn bugs
Apr 19 23:14:56 <vizzy> merlin1991, like ftw :))
Apr 19 23:15:22 <merlin1991> ThreeM: scared of the newly detected attack vectors?
Apr 19 23:16:14 <ThreeM> im not, my boss are scared :)
Apr 19 23:16:42 <ThreeM> i have better things to do instead of updating debian machines at 01:16
Apr 19 23:18:04 <ThreeM> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-April/086585.html
Apr 19 23:18:24 <merlin1991> yeah I was refering to that
Apr 19 23:18:37 <ThreeM> i must block these in the firewall, so my boss could check new issues ;)
Apr 19 23:19:00 <merlin1991> now I need some paper so I can start playing legend of grimrock
Apr 19 23:19:05 <merlin1991> Oldschool mode ftw
Apr 19 23:19:15 <ThreeM> but i think its hard to do a exploit on that remoty
Apr 19 23:19:30 <merlin1991> depends
Apr 19 23:19:37 <merlin1991> I think you could attack openvpn servers
Apr 19 23:19:57 <ThreeM> maybe
Apr 19 23:20:32 <ThreeM> but im happy that this is no certificate issue :)
Apr 19 23:23:02 <vizzy> ouch, hehe, cannot finish sdk install on vbox, disk full *gg
Apr 19 23:23:28 <vizzy> is it save to unmount / stop scratchbox and move the directory to e.g. /home/scratchbox and make a symlink on / ?
Apr 19 23:24:20 <vizzy> but i guess a fresh install is faster than moving 100k+ files in a vm :))
Apr 19 23:27:40 <merlin1991> vizzy: I even have a different mount on /scratchbox in order to have enough space :D
Apr 19 23:29:04 <merlin1991> fu legends of grimrock
Apr 19 23:29:26 <merlin1991> 10 mins into the game and I'm reaching the top end of my paper
Apr 19 23:29:57 <ThreeM> hrhr
Apr 19 23:30:23 <ThreeM> "Auto"-Mapping?
Apr 19 23:30:28 <merlin1991> disabled
Apr 19 23:30:35 <merlin1991> on purpose
Apr 19 23:30:39 <merlin1991> oldschool mode :D
Apr 19 23:32:25 <ThreeM> hehe
Apr 19 23:33:13 <ThreeM> maybe i have to look into the game, but im busy with Skyrim
Apr 19 23:33:38 <merlin1991> Skyrim is so bad, the eldar scrolls series had way better gayms
Apr 19 23:33:41 <merlin1991> *games*
Apr 19 23:33:51 <ThreeM> hmm i like it
Apr 19 23:34:07 <ThreeM> but its true, its more action based then the other elder scrools games
Apr 19 23:34:16 <vizzy> merlin1991, yeah, ill set up a new vhdd and mount it under /scratchbox and move files
Apr 20 00:02:01 <vizzy> awesome! i compiled tinc. and it runs
Apr 20 00:02:14 <vizzy> or at leats i can use the command to etc generate vpn keys
Apr 20 00:02:31 <vizzy> but how is that possible? is scratchbox something like an arm emulator?
Apr 20 00:02:45 <vizzy> does it use qemu or something like that in the background?
Apr 20 00:04:32 <merlin1991> when you are in the arm target of scratchbox is uses qemu in the background and tells gcc to build for arm
Apr 20 00:04:42 <merlin1991> and does other black magic via all kinds of tricks
Apr 20 00:06:54 <vizzy> cool
Apr 20 00:07:14 <vizzy> i just womdered and tested to run the armel compiled inary, and it runs.... or at least does not segfault :))
Apr 20 00:07:19 <vizzy> merlin1991, thx a lot
Apr 20 00:07:28 <vizzy> ill try it now on the n900 , hehe
Apr 20 00:08:02 <merlin1991> just take care that you're actually in the armel scratchbox target
Apr 20 00:08:20 <vizzy> yepp
Apr 20 00:09:08 <vizzy> i did all that on the hijacked weatherstation, haha through a tinc vpn, thats funny. now the old comp is getting more useful. 
Apr 20 00:09:31 <vizzy> i'm in the garden, crosscompiling software for my mobile , hehehehe
Apr 20 00:09:56 <FIQ|n900> I always 
Apr 20 00:10:00 <FIQ|n900> ...
Apr 20 00:10:09 <vizzy> will be the answer to my wife when she asks the next time why im hanging around there for days
Apr 20 00:10:45 <FIQ|n900> For some time, I used to use my computer more than my phone, when on my phone :p
Apr 20 00:10:54 <FIQ|n900> by ssh/etc
Apr 20 00:11:01 <FIQ|n900> irssi, emacs, whatnot
Apr 20 00:11:09 <FIQ|n900> and only used N900 for browsing the web
Apr 20 00:11:39 * merlin1991 wonders when microb is superior to $browser on a desktop
Apr 20 00:11:54 <merlin1991> or do oyu mean you always connected from the phone to your pc via ssh?
Apr 20 00:11:57 <FIQ|n900> because of it being no decent terminal browsers at all :(
Apr 20 00:12:15 <FIQ|n900> yeah
Apr 20 00:12:45 <FIQ|n900> used VNC as well if I really needed
Apr 20 00:13:00 <FIQ|n900> "really needed" aka wanted to play a game not available on N900
Apr 20 01:42:18 <vizzy> wooot
Apr 20 01:42:36 <vizzy> compiled, tinc-vpn up and running on n900!
Apr 20 01:42:47 <vizzy> this is f... awesome
Apr 20 01:43:07 <merlin1991> vizzy:  :)
Apr 20 01:43:47 <vizzy> for me, as a non-dev and n900 beginner this is like a small revolution
Apr 20 01:49:15 <vizzy> woot
Apr 20 01:49:35 <vizzy> and finally it works like expected.
Apr 20 01:50:06 <vizzy> i cant believe! this makes me happy now :))
Apr 20 02:12:50 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: I guess you know this one, I've got a fully working n900 and a semi working one here, the perfectly fine device has the us keyboard, can I just replace it with the german keyboard from the other device or are there more steps involved?
Apr 20 02:23:46 <DocScrutinizer51> I suggest you replace it with my perfectly finde gderman keymat, and I gedt the us kbd :)
Apr 20 02:24:58 <DocScrutinizer51> and yes, it's pretty easy
Apr 20 02:26:31 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: we can exchange a german vs english keymat, no problem ;)
Apr 20 02:39:10 <DocScrutinizer51> pm your addr
Apr 20 02:39:39 <DocScrutinizer51> to DocScrutinizer 
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