**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 22 03:00:01 2012
Apr 22 03:39:26 <Hurrian> anyone here?
Apr 22 03:39:42 <Hurrian> i'm having some trouble looking for something i know i saw on maemo.org before
Apr 22 03:40:01 <Hurrian> something about removing the emmc home partition and letting maemo simply create one on the rootfs
Apr 22 03:41:36 <Hurrian> i think simply removing the "mount /home" lines would work
Apr 22 04:43:42 <Macer> well
Apr 22 04:43:55 <Macer> been messimg with the lumia a while now
Apr 22 04:44:02 <Macer> it is awesome
Apr 22 04:44:06 <Macer> :)
Apr 22 05:15:07 <Termana> Macer, LIES!
Apr 22 05:15:14 <Termana> Macer, BLASPHEMY!
Apr 22 05:15:21 <Termana> Macer, OFF WITH YOUR HEAD IT IS!!!
Apr 22 07:32:42 <Vib3> hi
Apr 22 07:38:56 <Vib3> hmmm -> /etc/init.d/sendmail: .: line 35: can't open /lib/init/vars.sh
Apr 22 07:39:15 <Vib3> and theres even no /lib/init dir
Apr 22 07:58:45 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, sendmail
Apr 22 08:01:28 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like this plg been configured for a completely different platform where /lib/init/ exists, and either by accident or carelessly (or not at all ;-P) got ported to harmattan
Apr 22 08:01:37 <DocScrutinizer> pkg*
Apr 22 08:21:23 <vdv> how can i autostart some app on boot? (app should be run after runlevel 4 is init)
Apr 22 08:22:13 <vdv> i've added entry to /etc/event.d/
Apr 22 08:22:56 <Vib3> Doc I got n900 if you can remember :p
Apr 22 08:23:05 <Vib3> yea seems so..
Apr 22 08:23:52 <vdv> probably i need start on started xsession, and not start on started hildon-desktop...
Apr 22 08:25:37 <NIN101> /etc/event.d is ok
Apr 22 08:27:02 <NIN101> e. g.: start on started hildon-desktop \n exec run-standalone.sh [path to your program] \n stop on starting shutdown <-- where \n means the start of a new line... 
Apr 22 08:28:08 <vdv> think, the problem was with DISPLAY var
Apr 22 08:28:15 <vdv> checking now
Apr 22 08:28:36 <vdv> NIN101, does run-standalone.sh set DISPLAY?
Apr 22 08:28:46 <NIN101> maybe
Apr 22 08:30:16 <NIN101> yes it does
Apr 22 08:33:00 <vdv> what is the purpose of run-standalone.sh?
Apr 22 08:33:12 <vdv> deamonize process?
Apr 22 08:33:33 <vdv> what if the process i want to run is "emacs --daemon"?
Apr 22 08:36:15 <NIN101> setting up environment variables etc. - just look at the source.
Apr 22 08:37:08 <vdv> NIN101, thanks a lot!
Apr 22 08:37:14 <vdv> that was a reason
Apr 22 08:37:29 <vdv> starting with run-standalone.sh solved the problem
Apr 22 08:37:47 <NIN101> yw
Apr 22 09:00:00 <DocScrutinizer> s/harmattan/fremantle/
Apr 22 09:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=957502#post957502
Apr 22 09:04:18 <DocScrutinizer> the downside: you can't ever stop these autostarted apps
Apr 22 09:05:12 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, can't i just kill the process?
Apr 22 09:05:57 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 22 09:06:09 <DocScrutinizer> get restarted immediately :-D
Apr 22 09:06:28 <NIN101> ohm...
Apr 22 09:06:52 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, i.e. this happens if i use run-standalone.sh?
Apr 22 09:06:57 <DocScrutinizer> not OHM, HD
Apr 22 09:07:06 <vdv> or .desktop file approach
Apr 22 09:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Apr 22 09:07:29 <DocScrutinizer> I didn't even mention run-standalone.sh
Apr 22 09:07:46 <vdv> ah, ok
Apr 22 09:08:05 <NIN101> stuff in /etc/event.d/ isn't auotmatically watched by the watchdog you can close your apps and they won't respawn.
Apr 22 09:08:53 <DocScrutinizer> sure, but then this is *not* the place to start X "childs"
Apr 22 09:09:25 <DocScrutinizer> rather xinitrc, or xsession or whatever been the file
Apr 22 09:09:27 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, why if there's hildon-desktop option for set on started?
Apr 22 09:09:56 <DocScrutinizer> becuase HD isn't ready immediately after start?
Apr 22 09:10:06 <NIN101> ehm
Apr 22 09:10:12 <DocScrutinizer> because you got no handle into X in init.d?
Apr 22 09:10:12 <NIN101>  start on started hildon-desktop 
Apr 22 09:10:18 <NIN101> but sure, they are not X childs, this is true.
Apr 22 09:11:16 <DocScrutinizer> "start on started" doesn't mean the started process fully initialized
Apr 22 09:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> it just means the process got loaded and is running
Apr 22 09:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> which, for X, definitely doesn't mean all the child processes are also initialized and ready to deal with "the world" asking for services
Apr 22 09:20:42 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. X is working via unix sockets (iirc), basically a network protocol. The X server may or may not yet have established his sockets so any process you start in any other place already can "connect to display:0.0"
Apr 22 09:23:18 <DocScrutinizer> and even if X has done that, not all elementary childs of X may already listen to X messages and answer requests to e.g. add an icon to status menu or whatever
Apr 22 09:28:53 <DocScrutinizer> that's what you usually got xinitrc* for that, or anything the "initial client" (aka *manager) offers. here it's the desktop files which are scanned by HD for the "X-Maemo-Prestarted=always" line
Apr 22 09:36:01 <Vib3> started sendmail and got now running -> sendmail: MTA: Queue runner@00:10:00 for /var/spool/m
Apr 22 09:36:58 <Vib3> tried to set relayhost but nothin happens when sending mail, no errors
Apr 22 09:37:44 <NIN101> well indeed init shouldn't start X applications, so using .xsession or something is indeed the proper way. But there reasons why the /etc/event.d/ stuff works, becuase hildon-desktop is a fake job which watches for a "touch" in /tmp somewhere and this touch indicates that hildon-desktop is ready. 
Apr 22 09:40:43 <NIN101> and then they have the same in /etc/X11/Xsession.post/21hildon-desktop-wait but with the difference that is  also sends a dbus "hildon is ready" message. Maemo is a mess :P. 
Apr 22 09:43:50 <DocScrutinizer> btw take all my talk about X above with a grain of salt, from my many "iirc" and "afaik" you can tell I'm not exactly an X expert
Apr 22 09:46:42 <DocScrutinizer> and yes, sure it's xsession you wanna exploit, not xinitrc
Apr 22 09:46:54 <DocScrutinizer> mixed up the two
Apr 22 09:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: 100% ack for "a mess"
Apr 22 10:03:44 <Vib3> has anyone got sendmail working with relayhost on n900?
Apr 22 10:06:50 <vdv> is it safe if "user" user on n900 will have password?
Apr 22 10:07:19 <vdv> if i set a password won't that brick the device? :)
Apr 22 10:08:00 <Pali> vdv, I have set user password and all working fine
Apr 22 10:08:19 <vdv> Pali, cool, thanks
Apr 22 10:49:05 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I don't even know if I have password set for user
Apr 22 10:49:29 * Sicelo has :)
Apr 22 10:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> I guess I have, as I can ssh in to user, using ssh key, and iirc that doesn't work without password set
Apr 22 10:51:26 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# ssh user@127.0.0.1  -> user@127.0.0.1's password:... :-D
Apr 22 10:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> HAH, I even recalled what pw I've set
Apr 22 10:54:27 <Sicelo> 12345?
Apr 22 10:54:33 <Sicelo> :P
Apr 22 10:54:37 <DocScrutinizer> ot exactly, but close
Apr 22 10:54:58 <DocScrutinizer> in fact the PIN of my SIM
Apr 22 10:56:11 <Sicelo> gosh! now you remind me that i have a PIN in SIM.. but haven't used it in 3 years :/
Apr 22 10:56:47 <DocScrutinizer> 0000? ;-P
Apr 22 10:57:15 <DocScrutinizer> seems this is the standard PIN in Taiwan
Apr 22 10:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> concept of PIN widely unknown over there
Apr 22 10:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> maybe related to the fact that the concept of theft also isn't very widespread
Apr 22 10:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> alegedly you can leave you phone (or purse) on some bank in the park, and pick it up a week later
Apr 22 10:59:57 <DocScrutinizer> I have a hard time to believe that, but anyway...
Apr 22 11:27:19 <DocScrutinizer> any suggestions on sharing media? I want to add generic SFTP to upload to my server, rather than discontinued OVIshare or whatnot
Apr 22 11:27:55 <DocScrutinizer> I'd guess somebody already implemented such stuff?
Apr 22 11:56:33 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, close: http://maemobriefs.blogspot.de/2010/07/sharing-plugin-webdav-upload-files-to.html
Apr 22 11:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> just don't feel like setting up webdav on my server
Apr 22 11:57:31 <DocScrutinizer> SFTP the protocol of my choice
Apr 22 12:09:22 <DocScrutinizer> AHA http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2010/03/02/command-line-sharing-plugin-for-n900/
Apr 22 12:52:59 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: dropbox?
Apr 22 12:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: meh, nope
Apr 22 12:53:22 <DocScrutinizer> thanks anyway
Apr 22 12:53:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023349.html
Apr 22 12:53:57 <DocScrutinizer> just trying to pick up the pieces on how to use that thing
Apr 22 12:54:21 <DocScrutinizer> to be found under "sharing-cli" in extras-devel
Apr 22 12:55:01 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if it might show up in a convenient way under "accounts"
Apr 22 12:55:40 <DocScrutinizer> alas nope
Apr 22 12:55:48 <DocScrutinizer> only friggin OVI in there
Apr 22 12:56:11 <DocScrutinizer> which goes down on 30.05.
Apr 22 12:56:15 * dm8tbr found a gallery2 sharing plugin somewhere
Apr 22 12:56:51 <DocScrutinizer> I want my own server for destination of SFTP
Apr 22 12:56:56 <DocScrutinizer> or SCP
Apr 22 12:57:20 <dm8tbr> it was somewhere on that whatchamacallit server including source
Apr 22 12:57:20 <DocScrutinizer> as I honestly got pissed by all those sharing services
Apr 22 12:57:36 <dm8tbr> gallery2 is something you can host yourself jftr
Apr 22 12:57:54 <dm8tbr> but if you take the garage source it should be easy enough to change that to use scp
Apr 22 12:58:09 <DocScrutinizer> maemo.cloud-7.de is good enough for me and my purposes
Apr 22 12:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> and this sharing-cli shall be easy to create arbitrary accounts, see above link
Apr 22 12:59:08 <DocScrutinizer> I "just" have to find out where to config it
Apr 22 12:59:26 <DocScrutinizer> or where to find out how to config it
Apr 22 13:00:06 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. manpage/wiki missing/unknown
Apr 22 13:01:50 <DocScrutinizer> for unclear reasons pkg interface doesn't find anything about sharing-cli
Apr 22 13:06:47 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=share&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same :-/
Apr 22 13:07:41 <DocScrutinizer> I fsckng wonder where they got a minimum of HowTo for that stuff
Apr 22 13:08:33 <DocScrutinizer> or will it just need a reboot, to pop up ubercool GUI ?
Apr 22 13:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I'm just obtuse
Apr 22 13:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> sharing-accounts->*new*
Apr 22 13:12:26 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Apr 22 13:14:01 <DocScrutinizer> finally time to create a key pair, and get a sftp-login user on my server
Apr 22 13:14:40 <DocScrutinizer> and a few ACL rules
Apr 22 13:15:37 <DocScrutinizer> (not going to keep privkey for root access to that server on my phone ;-D )
Apr 22 13:40:21 <Macer> Termana: lol... a piece of me wishes i was lying but yeah.. i'm a convert heh
Apr 22 13:40:31 <Macer> windows phone is actually a good OS
Apr 22 13:40:57 <Macer> once you tweak it a bit and get used to apps like ssh and IM not running in the background 
Apr 22 13:41:20 <Macer> the push thing is kind of new to me coming off the n900... but those were minor issues that tmux reattaching on login fixed for ssh and IM+ Pro fixed for IM
Apr 22 13:41:38 <ShadowJK> background is extremely important for me :/
Apr 22 13:41:42 <Macer> i'm sorry to say it.. but the Lumia 900... the damn thing is ... awesome
Apr 22 13:41:56 <SpeedEvil> I'm conflicted.
Apr 22 13:41:58 <Macer> ShadowJK: i haven't ran into an app yet where i really needed it.. other than ssh
Apr 22 13:42:08 <Macer> which like i said... putting tmux attach -d in my .bashrc fixed ;)
Apr 22 13:42:10 <SpeedEvil> I want it to be shit because I want nokia to go back to linux.
Apr 22 13:42:22 <Macer> i know.. but i'm sorry to say... that it is awesome lol
Apr 22 13:42:34 <SpeedEvil> But I want it to succeed as it's needed in the marketplace
Apr 22 13:42:57 <Macer> yeah.. it sure does need to... ios is irritating.. and android is always flakey
Apr 22 13:43:13 <ShadowJK> Well like now when I'm at a machine shop servicing computers, I occasionally pick up N900 from pocket to read the webpage I started loading 15 minutes ago so that I'd have something to do the next time 30 secs of time has to be killed :P
Apr 22 13:43:14 <Macer> it's a good device tho
Apr 22 13:43:24 <Macer> LOL
Apr 22 13:43:48 <ShadowJK> except this time I checked xchat instead :P
Apr 22 13:44:01 <Macer> yeah.... no background irc on the lumia
Apr 22 13:44:08 <Macer> but i always use ssh and irssi for that anyways
Apr 22 13:44:22 <Macer> maybe they'll make a push notification irc client but i doubt it
Apr 22 13:44:26 <Macer> only nerds use irc :)
Apr 22 13:44:39 <Macer> the cattle use txt messaging heh
Apr 22 13:44:57 <ShadowJK> The time it takes to login to ssh and restore screen is greater than the amount of time I usually spend checking irc or whatever :)
Apr 22 13:47:05 <Macer> lol.. it goes fast ;)
Apr 22 13:47:12 <Macer> but then agian i'm using wifi and att lte
Apr 22 13:47:23 <Macer> takes like 5s maybe
Apr 22 13:47:46 <Macer> there is only one thing that sucks with windows phone 7.5
Apr 22 13:47:52 <Macer> the tile screen doesn't rotate
Apr 22 13:48:06 <Macer> heh.. it reminds me of the n900 when i first got it and the desktop didn't rotate
Apr 22 13:48:12 <Macer> they stay portrait
Apr 22 13:48:48 <Macer> it would be awesome if they made it so each individual tile rotated when you put the phone sideways.. instead of flopping the entire screen sideways like most OSes do
Apr 22 13:49:32 <Macer> and.... i miss a hw qwerty :(
Apr 22 13:49:39 <Macer> the n900 had the best hw keyboard i ever used 
Apr 22 13:50:50 <Macer> http://www.google.com/finance?q=nokia
Apr 22 13:50:52 <Macer> omg lol
Apr 22 13:52:51 <Macer> well.. hopefully their quartly report after the lumia 900 release looks better
Apr 22 13:53:00 <Macer> either way.. if it doesn't MS will buy them at pennies on the dollar :)
Apr 22 13:53:56 <ShadowJK> it takes too long even on wifi backed by 100M fibre :)
Apr 22 13:54:32 <Macer> your n900? microb always had been a bit on the slow side
Apr 22 13:54:38 <Macer> i feel like buying nokia stock
Apr 22 13:54:42 <Macer> now's the time! :)
Apr 22 13:55:08 <ShadowJK> xterm and ssh
Apr 22 14:08:02 <jacekowski> nokia went down a lot in last few years
Apr 22 14:08:22 <jacekowski> in 2008 it was almost 40$
Apr 22 14:08:34 <jacekowski> now it's less than $4
Apr 22 14:23:10 <DocScrutinizer> well, I'm still gaming, sitting on my virtual stock I pretended to buy at 7.114EUR
Apr 22 14:26:25 <SpeedEvil> It's at the price it was in 1995
Apr 22 14:27:26 <Macer> jacekowski: yeah lol
Apr 22 14:27:45 <Macer> jacekowski: but it seems taht lumia 900 was a success in the US at least
Apr 22 14:28:10 <Macer> so maybe that success will carry over.. but at $3/share.. omg even i need to get some lol
Apr 22 14:28:27 <Macer> if their partnership with MS takes off and they start actually selling phones again then it's a wrap
Apr 22 14:28:39 <Macer> their stock will go up 1000% in 1 quarter
Apr 22 14:28:47 <Macer> since it's so cheaply priced now
Apr 22 14:29:20 <SpeedEvil> Or microsoft decides they'd actually like to own it.
Apr 22 14:31:07 <SD69> merlin1991: ping
Apr 22 14:31:32 <merlin1991> SD69: pong
Apr 22 14:32:28 <SD69> did you talk with X-Fade after council meeting re cssu maintainership?
Apr 22 14:32:41 <merlin1991> yep
Apr 22 14:32:45 <merlin1991> it's all fixed now
Apr 22 14:32:54 <merlin1991> uploading to cssu is now linked to garage groups
Apr 22 14:33:10 <merlin1991> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-testing/ and https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-stable/
Apr 22 14:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> and obviously was easier to implement than our workaround
Apr 22 14:34:15 <merlin1991> SD69: if you're interested in the raw irc log of that conversation see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-04-20.log.html#t2012-04-20T15:31:47
Apr 22 14:34:20 <DocScrutinizer> at least judging by how long it took
Apr 22 14:36:08 <SD69> glad it's done
Apr 22 14:37:06 <SD69> merlin1991: I've heard about loss of zoom functionality on cssu - is it the keyboard shortcut only that was dropped?
Apr 22 14:37:41 <merlin1991> we dropped the keyboard shortcut and the poc implementation of the complete desktop zoom
Apr 22 14:37:51 <merlin1991> it was only a poc an noone was willing to work on it
Apr 22 14:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> and it was useless anyway I heard, as you could zoom but not pan
Apr 22 14:38:40 <merlin1991> (it got added to cssu in version 20.2010.36-2maemo13 (09.03.2011) )
Apr 22 14:39:00 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: well you could pan, depending on the position of the moon and your birthday ;)
Apr 22 14:39:11 <merlin1991> in other words it worked perfectly fine once in a while xD
Apr 22 14:39:20 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Apr 22 14:39:59 <SD69> so individuals apps can still zoom with +/- keys?
Apr 22 14:40:24 <merlin1991> sure, that was never touched
Apr 22 14:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> the zoom was a X-global one AIUI
Apr 22 14:40:50 <merlin1991> we only removed the full display zoom Ctrl + Shift + s / f
Apr 22 14:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> so if an app has local zoom implemented that will of course still work
Apr 22 14:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> (e.g microB, xterm fontsize)
Apr 22 14:42:10 <DocScrutinizer> (pdf-reader)
Apr 22 14:42:25 <SD69> okay
Apr 22 14:43:19 <SD69> any thoughts on cOBS from cssu pov?
Apr 22 14:43:41 <merlin1991> if anything it gets better
Apr 22 14:43:52 <merlin1991> we currently can't build on the autobuilder anyway
Apr 22 14:54:35 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: nokia isn't only mobile phone company
Apr 22 14:54:40 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: they do network gear as well
Apr 22 14:54:46 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: and all carrier side of GSM 
Apr 22 14:55:08 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: but iirc it's either iranian firewall or china firewall that runs on nokia gear
Apr 22 15:12:34 <SpeedEvil> Well - yes, I know
Apr 22 15:13:03 <SpeedEvil> Carrier side is also getting cannibalised a bit by China AIUI
Apr 22 15:34:36 <Macer> lol
Apr 22 15:34:45 <Macer> china firewall! woo!
Apr 22 15:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> I bet great chinese FW is using a potpourri of brands
Apr 22 15:41:49 <DocScrutinizer> and I doubt any manufacturer will build selfdestruction devices into all their racks, that fire on detecting they are running a cetain unspecified type of software
Apr 22 16:48:12 <vdv> where can i get normal touch command on my n900?
Apr 22 16:48:25 <vdv> normal, i.e. not busybox one
Apr 22 17:00:35 <kerio> vdv: hmm...
Apr 22 17:00:36 <kerio> gnu coreutils?
Apr 22 17:09:09 <vdv> ruskie, i've installed coreutils-gnu, but i still get busybox version of touch when type touch, and i'm in bash, how can i run coreutils version of touch?
Apr 22 17:09:28 <ruskie> tried gtouch ?
Apr 22 17:09:58 <vdv> cool, thanks
Apr 22 17:45:19 <vdv> ruskie, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd_ui /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg boolean:false
Apr 22 17:45:39 <vdv> dbus call above opens internet connection dialog
Apr 22 17:45:54 <vdv> and user selects a connection to connect
Apr 22 17:46:23 <vdv> is it possible to take some action additional to connecting to internet?
Apr 22 17:46:31 <vdv> i.e. programmatically
Apr 22 17:47:25 <vdv> maybe some shell script is called before interface gets up?
Apr 22 17:48:18 <vdv> like /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh is called when user presses pc suite button
Apr 22 17:57:29 <Sicelo> lulz.. karma of 3, lol
Apr 22 17:58:20 <ruskie> vdv, check the wiki there is some page about it iirc
Apr 22 17:58:33 <ruskie> vdv, it should be possible
Apr 22 18:01:38 <NIN101> /etc/network/if-pre-up.d or if-up.d or whatevr you like
Apr 22 18:03:57 <vdv> NIN101, pefect!
Apr 22 18:04:17 <vdv> NIN101, thanks a lot
Apr 22 18:04:29 <NIN101> yw
Apr 22 18:05:29 <vdv> NIN101, i should just put shell scripts in those dirs, right?
Apr 22 18:05:38 <vdv> there's no special format
Apr 22 18:05:42 <vdv> ok, i'll google
Apr 22 18:06:07 * Sicelo uses that to run ntpdate ;)
Apr 22 18:07:16 <vdv> guys, you are helped me today so much, thanks
Apr 22 18:28:36 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: set usr/bin/gnu in your $PATH
Apr 22 18:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Apr 22 18:28:42 <infobot> it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Apr 22 18:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: do NOT add gnu/ to your startup path! it will break boot
Apr 22 18:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. sysinit and X need to startup without gnu in path
Apr 22 18:32:56 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, but i don't have gnu/ in my PATH, should I?
Apr 22 18:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: I'm using a sed cmd in .bashrc, and first thing I do in xterm messybox is start bash
Apr 22 18:33:42 <DocScrutinizer> [2012-04-22 20:28:36] <DocScrutinizer> vdv: set usr/bin/gnu in your $PATH
Apr 22 18:36:04 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, i don't understand context of your advice to set usr/bin/gnu in PATH
Apr 22 18:36:27 <DocScrutinizer> [2012-04-22 18:48:12] <vdv> where can i get normal touch command on my n900?
Apr 22 18:36:35 <vdv> ah, ok
Apr 22 18:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> [2012-04-22 19:09:09] <vdv> ruskie, i've installed coreutils-gnu, but i still get busybox version of touch when type touch, and i'm in bash, how can i run coreutils version of touch?
Apr 22 18:36:49 <vdv> i did apt-get install coreutils-gnu
Apr 22 18:36:51 <vdv> yes
Apr 22 18:36:58 <vdv> and i din't reboot yet
Apr 22 18:37:23 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, i execute gtouch, instead of touch
Apr 22 18:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: that sucks, no?
Apr 22 18:39:35 <vdv> that i should use gtouch instead of touch?
Apr 22 18:41:06 <vdv> DocScrutinizer, what sucks?
Apr 22 18:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> I always felt it sucks to use g* since /usr/bin/gnu/* isn't in path
Apr 22 18:43:43 <vdv> but only installing coreutils-gnu won't brick device, right?
Apr 22 18:44:08 <vdv> using g* command is ok for me now
Apr 22 18:45:02 <vdv> i'm so tired with my n900
Apr 22 18:45:23 <vdv> if someone would buy it, i'll sell
Apr 22 18:45:41 <ShadowJK> how come?
Apr 22 18:46:14 <vdv> i'm spending all my time trying to tweak it
Apr 22 18:46:29 <vdv> constantly, new things appear everyday
Apr 22 18:46:41 <MrOpposite> Hi, how do I get curl to work? I keep getting an error:
Apr 22 18:46:42 <MrOpposite> curl: relocation error: curl: symbol curl_dostrdup, version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not defined in file libcurl.so.4 with link time reference
Apr 22 18:46:48 <vdv> something, that doesn't work as expected
Apr 22 18:47:01 <vdv> and should be fixed, workaround-ed
Apr 22 18:47:04 <ShadowJK> stop tweaking then? Just because it's not forbidden doesn't mean it's mandatory :P
Apr 22 18:47:15 <MrOpposite> with this command: curl -R -O "http://<username>:<password>@opposite.biz:9091/transmission/rpc"
Apr 22 18:48:09 <vdv> ShadowJK, but i've payed for device, i did have big expectations, i ignored all those googlephones, was inspired with maemo
Apr 22 18:48:26 <MrOpposite> (that command is a part of a bigger script, I just narrowed the problem down to that single line
Apr 22 18:48:28 <MrOpposite> )
Apr 22 18:49:19 <ShadowJK> hehe, saw someone trying to read email on a samsung galaxy something or other today
Apr 22 18:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: I know how you feel, I had that times as well. Until I found out a lot is just a bit unusual and very sparsely documented
Apr 22 18:49:56 <ShadowJK> Scrolling through list of mails froze, then it opened a random email lol
Apr 22 18:50:04 <MrOpposite> vdv I like the n900 because of the tweeking, it makes my phone feel like MY phone
Apr 22 18:51:06 <MrOpposite> What I like is writing small scripts that makes my life easier in a nerd-way
Apr 22 18:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: and messybox been one of the major PITAS for me, until a got the catch what messybox actually is and how it works
Apr 22 18:51:22 <MrOpposite> Now, that script is messed up... because of CURL
Apr 22 18:51:27 <MrOpposite> cURL*
Apr 22 18:51:47 <vdv> MrOpposite, i could close my eyes for all that "complexity" if nokia wouldn't so unfair und didn't stop support
Apr 22 18:51:57 * ShadowJK suspects other phones don't have any better userland :P
Apr 22 18:52:06 <DocScrutinizer> defimitely not
Apr 22 18:52:22 <DocScrutinizer> maybe SHR
Apr 22 18:52:31 <MrOpposite> Anyway, DocScrutinizer do you know how to get cURL working?
Apr 22 18:52:38 <MrOpposite> You seem to know quite a bit
Apr 22 18:52:56 <DocScrutinizer> at least on SHR things don't break when you install proper bash and unixtools and discard messybox
Apr 22 18:53:12 <vdv> sadly, open source and mobile devices is like utopie
Apr 22 18:53:28 <DocScrutinizer> MrOpposite: I am sorry to disappoint you, but I never even heard of cURL
Apr 22 18:53:33 <MrOpposite> oh, okay
Apr 22 18:53:49 <ShadowJK> MeeGo doesn't have busybox, but then again there are no devices lol
Apr 22 18:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> vdv: ShadowJK: there's OM FreeRunner, and now even GTA04
Apr 22 18:54:27 <MrOpposite> Is it possible to recieve the body of a http-request that returns an 409-error in wget?
Apr 22 18:54:37 <MrOpposite> a*
Apr 22 18:54:55 <DocScrutinizer> all as opensource as it gets, GTA04 even comes without *any* OS installed :-P
Apr 22 18:55:03 <ShadowJK> gta04 is kinda bare bones, literally ;p
Apr 22 18:55:42 <SpeedEvil> GTA01 did too!
Apr 22 18:55:50 <SpeedEvil> Boot to kernel panic
Apr 22 19:00:08 <vdv> lol, Free Runner takes up to four minites to boot
Apr 22 19:00:15 <vdv> just saw video
Apr 22 19:01:30 <SpeedEvil> Depends on OS
Apr 22 19:01:36 <SpeedEvil> Can be a lot faster
Apr 22 19:02:01 <vdv> ah, ok
Apr 22 19:04:13 <MrOpposite> WHO
Apr 22 19:04:26 <MrOpposite> I got cURL to work
Apr 22 19:05:16 <MrOpposite> now all I need to do is to get microB to send magnet links to that script
Apr 22 19:09:47 <MrOpposite> uhm
Apr 22 19:10:21 <MrOpposite> uhm, is mp-fremantle-002-pr vital package?
Apr 22 19:10:52 <ShadowJK> yes, quite
Apr 22 19:11:00 <MrOpposite> hmm...
Apr 22 19:11:11 <MrOpposite> It... sortof got automatically removed by aptitude
Apr 22 19:11:19 <ShadowJK> You're probably trying to install a package from another distro
Apr 22 19:11:30 <ShadowJK> or, you're using aptitude, heh.
Apr 22 19:11:38 <MrOpposite> no, I upgraded libcurl3
Apr 22 19:11:53 <ShadowJK> apt-get and friends will remove maemo if you install stuff from outside maemo :P
Apr 22 19:12:08 <MrOpposite> heh
Apr 22 19:12:30 <MrOpposite> ShadowJK what does the package DO?
Apr 22 19:12:36 <MrOpposite> I haven't found any information on that yet
Apr 22 19:13:03 <ShadowJK> It's a meta package that brings in all other packages
Apr 22 19:13:50 <MrOpposite> Meh, I can live without that...
Apr 22 19:13:57 <MrOpposite> As long as my phone still boots
Apr 22 19:14:03 <ShadowJK> It'll break :P
Apr 22 19:15:02 <MrOpposite> Uhm, why?
Apr 22 19:15:24 <MrOpposite> If it's only purpose is to bring in other packages, and no other packages were lost
Apr 22 19:16:27 <MrOpposite> (I'm not trying to sound ignorat, I don't see the problem, which I think exists because of what you just said)
Apr 22 19:18:55 <vdv> ruskie, any idea why in following howto dovecot is started with -F option from inside of event.d script? http://wiki.maemo.org/Improving_Modest_email_sync_reliability#Adding_dovecot_IMAP_server_to_let_Modest_accessing_emails_locally
Apr 22 19:19:21 <vdv> -F means run in foreground
Apr 22 19:19:32 <ShadowJK> you might be right, but usually doing something like that usually also blows away the rest of the system too :P
Apr 22 19:20:01 <vdv> ruskie, why not start deamonized dovecot from event.d script?
Apr 22 19:29:15 <DocScrutinizer> MrOpposite: you probably can live without fremantle-MP, for a while. You also can reinstall it
Apr 22 19:29:38 <DocScrutinizer> or you use the opportunity to switch to CSSU-Stable which comes with an own MP
Apr 22 19:30:19 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise next autoremove will nuke your complete system
Apr 22 19:30:49 <DocScrutinizer> and all sorts of weird appmanagers like fapman and aptitude and whatnot else do autoremove quite frequently it seems
Apr 22 19:31:58 * RST38h moos quietly
Apr 22 19:32:12 <DocScrutinizer> and - just in case you never heard: NEVER do (dist-)upgrade or autoremove
Apr 22 19:32:33 * RST38h does upgrade
Apr 22 19:32:45 <RST38h> not dist- though, that is bound to ruin something
Apr 22 19:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: you're a terrorist
Apr 22 19:33:15 <DocScrutinizer> you always do weird things and nobody can stop you ;-P
Apr 22 19:33:15 <RST38h> a masochist, maybe, a terrorist though?
Apr 22 19:33:23 <RST38h> nah
Apr 22 19:33:39 <RST38h> when you do upgrade, apt always asks you if you really want to do that
Apr 22 19:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> you got a clue of what you're doing though - usually
Apr 22 19:34:03 <RST38h> so, when I see that it offers me evil stuff, I click N
Apr 22 19:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Apr 22 19:34:26 <RST38h> has been pretty harmless lately though
Apr 22 19:34:40 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 22 19:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> as long as you don't decide to add -devel just for fun
Apr 22 19:35:04 <RST38h> nah, bad idea
Apr 22 19:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> or - alternatively - always had -devel enabled
Apr 22 19:35:24 <RST38h> I have extras-devel enabled, but not the actual nokia devel repo
Apr 22 19:37:27 <RST38h> extras-devel has long been used as extras, sans the anal-retentive promotion policies
Apr 22 19:38:01 <RST38h> nokia's devel repo that Scratchbox-based SDK uses is full of weird stuff though
Apr 22 19:47:04 <MrPingu> Hi
Apr 22 19:47:26 <MrPingu> Ever heard of a sudden reboot loop?
Apr 22 19:48:30 <MrPingu> Yesterday I just put away my phone on charger, the next morning i found it was turned off
Apr 22 19:48:41 <Macer> wow. the old school battlestar galactica is on
Apr 22 19:48:44 <Macer> awesome
Apr 22 19:49:39 <MrPingu> I thought well probably charger wasn't inserted properly, but instead my n900 turned itself in ready-for-reflash brick :P
Apr 22 19:51:17 <MrPingu> The strangest of this all is, I didn't do anything special. I said here goodnight and the next morning it was dead. Anyone heard of this before?
Apr 22 19:59:49 <MrPingu> ah g2g bye!
Apr 22 20:23:00 <MrOpposite> DocScrutinizer tell me more about the CSSU-Stable MP-thingi
Apr 22 21:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> MrOpposite: just read about CSSU in wiki
Apr 22 22:26:09 <vdv> who knows, where does def hildon_play_system_sound (sample) defined?
Apr 23 02:15:43 <LaoLang_cool> hi, how to know the precise of battery percentage? I find hal-device bme and lshal | grep battery can't give it
Apr 23 02:16:12 <LaoLang_cool> They doesn't work properly sometimes
Apr 23 02:16:52 <LaoLang_cool> The value they returned doesn't corresponding with the battery icon on statusbar
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