**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 01 03:00:03 2012
May 01 06:47:01 <user> hi, ive setup link via usb0 with n900 and laptop, so I thought why not to use n900s wifi internet with old compaq, but i got error when trying to use iptables :(
May 01 06:48:24 <user> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
May 01 06:48:25 <user> iptables v1.4.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
May 01 06:48:27 <user> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
May 01 06:48:36 <user> ---
May 01 06:49:13 <user> iptables -A FORWARD -o usb0 -i wlan0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -m conntrack --ctstate N
May 01 06:49:14 <user> iptables -A FORWARD -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
May 01 06:49:14 <user> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE
May 01 06:49:14 <user> ~
May 01 06:49:14 <user> ~
May 01 06:49:43 <user> help?
May 01 07:01:26 <user> anyone?
May 01 07:21:48 <Tony> hi
May 01 10:27:07 <Itschue> hello i need a command that let me see only files beginning with g
May 01 10:27:49 <NIN101> ls | grep ^g
May 01 10:28:30 <Itschue> thank you
May 01 10:30:56 <NIN101> yw
May 01 10:35:28 <BiggAl> or just at the command line,  {command}{space}g{tab}{tab}
May 01 10:35:45 <BiggAl> depending what you want the file for, and your shell
May 01 10:36:50 <Itschue> i only wa looking if e secify file exists
May 01 10:37:17 <BiggAl> cool
May 01 10:40:59 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Seized Memory Card Contained al Qaeda Documents Encoded in Porn!
May 01 10:42:57 <BiggAl> heh
May 01 10:43:24 * SpeedEvil imagines morse-code thrusts.
May 01 11:08:56 <jpinx> is it possible to run vbox on maemo on the n900?
May 01 11:11:39 <BiggAl> jinx why would you?
May 01 11:11:47 <BiggAl> *jpinx
May 01 11:12:05 <BiggAl> right - autocorrect is getting switched off
May 01 11:12:15 <jpinx> I'm looking for a way to run bitlbee
May 01 11:12:41 <jpinx> a vm running debian withou X - cl only would be fine
May 01 11:13:11 <jpinx> BiggAl: chroot doesn't seem to play nicely
May 01 11:13:41 <DocScrutinizer> >>Seized Memory Card<<?? WTF! is a memeory card now a seize-able object?
May 01 11:14:06 <BiggAl> jinx have you tries compiling from source?
May 01 11:14:12 <BiggAl> jpinx
May 01 11:14:28 <jpinx> BiggAl: no - never tried that for anything
May 01 11:15:05 <BiggAl> never tried a vm as it would be so slow (you'd be emulating an intel CPU
May 01 11:15:34 <jpinx> Oh - yea -  hadn't thought of that
May 01 11:15:49 <jpinx> bugger-  back to the drawing board.
May 01 11:15:49 <BiggAl> Use the Source luke
May 01 11:16:50 <BiggAl> I've not had any really issues compelling from source on maemo unless it's something really low-level like trying to compile python support into vim
May 01 11:17:05 <BiggAl> but I was able to get python 2.7.2 on there from source
May 01 11:18:06 <BiggAl> I'd just recommend that you make a copy of your root fs onto a memory card, chroot to it, and the optify it onto the root fs when you're done
May 01 11:19:09 <jpinx> yea . I have my chroot on the sdcard
May 01 11:20:23 <BiggAl> cool - and if it turns out to be really useful, don't forget to consider packaging it up
May 01 11:21:04 <BiggAl> py2.7.2 turned out to be disappointing, as there's no way to get pyside compiled up for 2.7.2 :s
May 01 11:21:29 <BiggAl> (well - pyside wasn't the issue, so much as qt)
May 01 11:23:27 * jpinx backs-up
May 01 11:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> >>Windows NT 4.0 running on N900!<< http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html     >>YouTube - KDE 4.2.1 running on Nokia n810<<  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0    >>Video: Two operating systems on one phone | IT PRO<<  http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone    >>YouTube - VMware demo showing two OS WinCE<<  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-
May 01 11:37:06 <DocScrutinizer> dnSQ
May 01 11:40:38 <DocScrutinizer> Running Mac OS X 10.3 on Nokia N900   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU
May 01 11:43:28 <DocScrutinizer> oooh, and ~bm
May 01 11:43:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~bm
May 01 11:43:47 <infobot> i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
May 01 12:05:02 <BiggAl> DocScrutinizer performance does not look great for x86 stuff - not looksed at osx vid yet
May 01 12:05:17 <DocScrutinizer> worse :-P
May 01 12:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> for a ballpark guestimate: N900 ~ as fast as my P-II300 Laptop. Any emu will decelerate by at least factor 5..10, maybe worse
May 01 12:07:20 <DocScrutinizer> and no emu can emulate more RAM
May 01 12:08:26 <BiggAl> meh - got mine running at about 1.1 GHz, but I think I won the builtd-quality lottery on mine
May 01 12:08:52 <DocScrutinizer> no, you're about to win the darwin award
May 01 12:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~omap-oc
May 01 12:10:31 <infobot> well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11
May 01 12:11:37 <DocScrutinizer>  http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3525-hirel.pdf page 122    3.3 Recommended Operating Conditions
May 01 12:11:42 <BiggAl> temperature's pretty stable - it's my second unit - the first one I tried icing once, but it was buying up what I pushed one 700 
May 01 12:12:09 <BiggAl> *oc ing
May 01 12:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and moonphase in in perfect sync with predictions
May 01 12:12:16 <SpeedEvil> The temperature readout is not related to the processor
May 01 12:12:21 <SpeedEvil> It's at the other end of the board
May 01 12:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> plus it's irrelevant for OC anyway (basically)
May 01 12:12:49 <BiggAl> but you can feel if the device is warmer than ambient
May 01 12:12:56 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
May 01 12:12:59 <BiggAl> it's been running this way for a few months
May 01 12:13:17 <DocScrutinizer> good, then you almost are thru with that CPU
May 01 12:13:17 <BiggAl> I crank it down to 900 iuf I'm compiling C code
May 01 12:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> "I tuned my flashlight. I inserted Lithium cells instead alkaline, so the incandescent lamp now runs on 7V instead of 3V. Hey it's working since 2 hours like that, and the color of metal case hasn't changed at all"
May 01 12:15:04 <BiggAl> If it dies it dies
May 01 12:15:34 <BiggAl> nothing important on there
May 01 12:17:03 <BiggAl> I was going to switch to an android decide because I found this painfully slow - OCing means I get to keep this going a bit longer
May 01 12:17:12 <BiggAl> win-win
May 01 12:17:20 <DocScrutinizer> it's just a few of us simply get angry hearing of others deliberately destroying their device, while we are desparately searching for *new* devices as we can't buy any used ones thanks to OCers probably ruined them and then selling them with 4 weeks lifetime left
May 01 12:18:17 <BiggAl> ah it doesn't really work like that though does it - you're just increasing your risk factors
May 01 12:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> plus OCing never been decently certified to bring any noticeable increase in speed during everyday usage
May 01 12:18:55 <BiggAl> it's not like flash memory where you have so many read-write cycles then it's a brick
May 01 12:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> au contraire, there have been quite decent scientific tests that suggest you need *at least* to double the clock speed to even *notice* any difference in everyday look and feel
May 01 12:19:43 <BiggAl> not certified maybe, but it feels a hell of a lot more responsive - stuff opens much faster
May 01 12:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> BiggAl: YES IT IS!
May 01 12:20:24 <SpeedEvil> I disagree - if you're doing CPU bound stuff a lot, you can notice 30%
May 01 12:20:31 <BiggAl> calm down, it's not like I would ever sell it anyway
May 01 12:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> dear BiggAl, wuld you bother to read the link to TI Technical Manual I posted above - it's *exactly* like flash memory
May 01 12:21:32 <BiggAl> I'm not going to tell everyone they should take risks, but I'm not ashamed that I'm taking a calculated risk based on my own circumstances
May 01 12:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> CALCULATED???
May 01 12:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> based on which algo?
May 01 12:22:24 <BiggAl> risk/reward/loss
May 01 12:23:16 <BiggAl> I am taking a significant risk of my device being  a brick. the reward is that I get to enjoy it until it is so. The risk is that I don't get very long as such
May 01 12:23:34 <DocScrutinizer> you obviously got no faintest clue about the "risk", you even deny basic facts that are clearly written in terse algorithmic form in a URL I offered to your notice
May 01 12:23:59 <BiggAl> what page? I'm not reading the whole thing
May 01 12:24:03 <DocScrutinizer> while OTOH babbling nonsense about "temperatire"
May 01 12:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~debian BiggAl 
May 01 12:24:31 * infobot tells BiggAl to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
May 01 12:24:56 <DocScrutinizer>   http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3525-hirel.pdf page 122    3.3 Recommended Operating Conditions
May 01 12:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> what of "page 122 " was too hard to get it?
May 01 12:25:27 <BiggAl> yes that is what is recommended
May 01 12:26:04 <BiggAl> where does it say "basic facts that are clearly written in terse algorithmic form"
May 01 12:26:14 <DocScrutinizer> no, that is what they found out about lifetime, in extensive tests
May 01 12:27:10 <BiggAl> you know what - you care about this a lot more than I do - I will carry on doing what I am doing based on what I know, and you can carry on doing what you are based on what you know
May 01 12:28:08 <BiggAl> not every die off the assembly line is the same, they have different tolerances and there is an accepted level at which most will operate - those that operate at a lower level are classed as defective, those at a higher level are not
May 01 12:28:25 <BiggAl> but that is all I have to dsay
May 01 12:28:43 <BiggAl> I am taking a gamble, but I am willing to face the consequences if I lose the gamble
May 01 12:29:18 * BiggAl draws a line under it
May 01 12:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> stop spreading bullshit nonsense!
May 01 12:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> "not all incandescent bulbs falling off one assembly line are the same. Some will work at 3V and lableled like that, while others like mine are labebled 3V but happily work at 7V"
May 01 12:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> and no Sir, that's no gamble. That's like taking a certain amount of mercury every day, hoping you are immune. And claiming you've seen no adverse effects after 6 weeks so you'll assume it's safe and nothing bad will happen to you
May 01 12:36:29 <DocScrutinizer> there WILL BE adverse effects, as sure as your fuel tank of your car won't fill up by driving
May 01 12:36:46 <BiggAl> No it's like having a 3V 40W bulb when you need 6W worth of light, so running it at 4.5 V until it runs out before buying a 60W bulb
May 01 12:36:58 <BiggAl> *60W
May 01 12:37:01 <DocScrutinizer> as sure as your flash memory doesn'T get better by rewrite cycles
May 01 12:37:39 <DocScrutinizer> err yes, exactly
May 01 12:37:42 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 01 12:37:50 <BiggAl> your power over analogies is crap as is your ability to hold an arguement - I'm not interested, and I don't know why you are
May 01 12:38:03 <DocScrutinizer> thanks for supporting all my points in one completely messed up statement
May 01 12:38:08 <BiggAl> so we agree that I'm aware of the gamble I am taking
May 01 12:38:58 <BiggAl> I am gambling that my device will not last until there is a more desirable device on the market that there is currently, as I want to upgrade but want to hold out a bit
May 01 12:39:53 <BiggAl> I don't claim that my device will last as long or longer than it would if I did not over clock it, however I do claim that it runs better in the mean time
May 01 12:40:20 <DocScrutinizer> and I clearly made my point that you're basing your "gamble" on completely random unrelated and false assumtions
May 01 12:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> like "temperature" and denying any constant wear
May 01 12:42:03 <BiggAl> temperate is a useful indicator - also at higher temperature you will find more degradation
May 01 12:43:05 <BiggAl> I really do not see what your argument was - you hid it so elegantly in really bad analogies
May 01 12:43:33 <BiggAl> but I do not want to continue this discussion as it is blatantly not useful
May 01 12:43:40 <DocScrutinizer> you have not the faintest clue, neither about the actual temperature nor about the general problem of electromigration that is actually what matters here, and what those "recommended operation conditions" are basically all about
May 01 12:43:52 <BiggAl> I have nothing against you but I shall not be taking your advice on this topic
May 01 12:45:14 <DocScrutinizer> I just told you that OC-fanboys with obviously not any clue about what they are doing are not welcome here to promote their 1337 OC achievements
May 01 12:45:44 <BiggAl> I'm not promoting
May 01 12:45:56 <BiggAl> I'm not an OC fanboy
May 01 12:46:39 <BiggAl> and if I wanted to make 1337 acheivements I would buy an XBox rather than coming on IRC
May 01 12:46:49 <BiggAl> I am sorry if you have got the wrong impress of me
May 01 12:46:55 <BiggAl> *impression
May 01 12:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> sorry too, let's just stop it
May 01 12:47:14 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 01 12:47:17 <BiggAl> indeed
May 01 12:47:20 <DocScrutinizer> it's really useless
May 01 12:47:32 <DocScrutinizer> and most probably annoying to the channel
May 01 12:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> (particularly my rant)
May 01 12:47:49 <BiggAl> I have seen much of your useful input on other topic in IRC archives - I would hate to have any sort of ongoing feud
May 01 12:48:07 <DocScrutinizer> no reason for any
May 01 12:48:11 <BiggAl> *topics - I really hate this computer...
May 01 12:48:41 <BiggAl> Why oh why did work give me an iMac....
May 01 13:25:00 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:04 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:05 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:05 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:05 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:07 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:10 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:13 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:15 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:17 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:20 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:23 <mikey> FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT COCKBALLS COCKBALLS
May 01 13:25:27 <mikey> where is my kickban
May 01 13:25:54 * marienz raises an eyebrow
May 01 13:26:03 <mikey> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu 5tugx huiofaeh;/zxf
May 01 13:26:08 <BiggAl> why?
May 01 13:26:14 <mikey> because it's tuesday
May 01 13:26:19 <mikey> gotta get banned from a new channel
May 01 13:29:36 <BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:30:58 <mikey> I am 12 and use irssi
May 01 13:31:40 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:31:44 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:31:48 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:31:52 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:31:56 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:32:00 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:32:04 <mikey> 08:29 < BiggAl> ah my favourite way was always to join a channel that was its antithesis and start copying messages over, but then I was 13 - how old are you and  should you really be on IRC?
May 01 13:32:23 <BiggAl> odd
May 01 13:32:29 <marienz> somewhat!
May 01 13:32:51 <guly> just tweeted "morons' are disappearing from IRC too"
May 01 13:33:04 <guly> i must shut up when i think this sort of things
May 01 13:33:38 <BiggAl> heh my CEO - Bizarre morning. Just had a meeting with a chap worth $3.5 billion.  We played Street Fighter.  I lost
May 01 13:38:54 <jaska> ... wtf
May 01 13:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
May 01 13:51:35 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 01 14:13:10 <pronto> https://code.google.com/p/naxsi/  Naxsi is an open source, high performance, low rules maintenance, Web Application Firewall module for Nginx
May 01 14:13:10 <pronto> 	
May 01 21:16:56 <int_ua> I have a problem with non-latin input in Qt-based software and can't find a bug about it. Can anyone help me verify that it
May 01 21:17:12 <int_ua> that it's a wide-spread bug
May 01 21:17:19 <int_ua> ?
May 01 21:17:43 <merlin1991> gimme some steps and a binary and I can help :D
May 01 21:18:17 <int_ua> merlin: Do you have qstardict or evopedia installed?
May 01 21:18:37 <int_ua> merlin1991:^
May 01 21:18:40 <merlin1991> can install it
May 01 21:19:25 <int_ua> what's interesting: Russian works just fine, but not Ukrainian
May 01 21:20:07 <merlin1991> installed qstardict here on kubuntu, what now?
May 01 21:20:38 <int_ua> wait, I'm talking about Nokia N900
May 01 21:21:26 <int_ua> I don't have this problem on desktop
May 01 21:21:57 <merlin1991> ah k
May 01 21:22:12 <int_ua> "Български" and "Македонски" are affected too
May 01 21:23:45 <int_ua> and they are working just fine outside of QT
May 01 21:26:39 <freemangordon> int_ua, confirmed, instead of capital letters you have lowercase latin (or vice versa)
May 01 21:27:28 <int_ua> freemangordon: ok, I'm filing a bug, but against which package?
May 01 21:29:10 <freemangordon> ok, you got capital letters in latin aphabet instead of capital in cyrillic. NFC which package, maybe it is qt-gui (or qt-core)
May 01 21:29:32 <freemangordon> int_ua ^^^
May 01 21:29:48 <int_ua> thanks :)
May 01 21:30:20 <freemangordon> int_ua, are you going to file a bug against qt in CSSU?
May 01 21:31:09 <int_ua> freemangordon: yes, does it have a separate bug tracker?
May 01 21:31:40 <int_ua> Is it "qt‑components"?
May 01 21:31:55 <int_ua> on bugs.maemo.org
May 01 21:32:29 <freemangordon> no idea, but I don't think it makes sense to open a bug against anything but CSSU, niokia won't fix it ;)
May 01 21:32:42 <freemangordon> *nokia :D
May 01 21:34:12 <int_ua> well, it won't get fixed for sure if I don't try :)
May 01 21:34:50 <freemangordon> int_ua, which Qt version do you use?
May 01 21:34:57 <freemangordon> stock or CSSU one?
May 01 21:35:27 <int_ua> I think it's CSSU, how can I verify that?
May 01 21:35:43 <int_ua> I have CSSU 3.1
May 01 21:35:59 <int_ua> does Qt have separate CSSU packages?
May 01 21:36:17 <freemangordon> so, you have Qt 4.7.4 and should open a bug against CSSU
May 01 21:36:49 <freemangordon> CSSU upgrades Qt to 4.7.4
May 01 21:37:18 <freemangordon> iirc Qt 4.7.0(stock one) also have the same bug
May 01 21:37:49 <int_ua> yes, libqt4-* packages are 4.7.4~git201....
May 01 21:38:48 <freemangordon> so, you definitely should file a bug against CSSU
May 01 21:44:36 <int_ua> freemangordon: "Component: general" ?
May 01 22:26:43 <int_ua> The bug about qt input: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12609
May 01 22:26:45 <povbot> 04Bug 12609: Problems with some non-latin layouts input in Qt-based software
May 01 22:34:19 <int_ua> Anyone from OMP team?
May 01 22:35:05 <int_ua> I'd like to add Ukrainian translation
May 01 23:38:00 <Ken-Young> I have bricked my N900.  I have a recent backup made with backupmenu.   When I try to restored the backup using backupmenu, I get the message "can't stat /usr/sbin/evkey", and the message "press any key to continue".   All keys are ignored.   Is there any way to recover from this?
May 01 23:53:15 <LaoLang_cool> The signal of calling isn't perfect on maemo
May 02 01:13:52 <micahf> hey, so i plug the n900 into a USB port.  at first it says "charging", then it says "not charging".  I can't get it to charge over usb!
May 02 01:14:16 <micahf> i also have several usb power adapters and none of them work either :\
May 02 01:14:32 <Hurrian> micahf, USB port damage.
May 02 01:14:40 <micahf> the only way i can charge is if i use the micro usb charger that came with it
May 02 01:14:50 <micahf> that one works
May 02 01:14:58 <Hurrian> yeah, the only thing holding the plug in is the hooks
May 02 01:15:07 <Hurrian> is the usb port wobbly?
May 02 01:15:12 <Hurrian> you can check with the stylus
May 02 01:15:48 <micahf> it doesn't seem to be wobbly
May 02 01:15:59 <SpeedEvil> Check with another cable
May 02 01:16:48 <micahf> i'll have to go buy another cable
May 02 01:17:24 <micahf> mini usb and microusb are so similarly sized... i don't get it
May 02 01:20:18 <Hurrian> microusb is around half the height of miniusb
May 02 01:20:46 <Hurrian> with microusb being so ridiculously small and hard to attach without looking at it it's stupid
May 02 01:34:00 <micahf> i always thought the name "universal serial bus" was a little ironic because it's so physically specific and articulated to the point where if it breaks, you're jacked unless you buy a new one
May 02 01:34:23 <micahf> wires with alligator clips are the real "universal serial bus"
May 02 01:35:38 <micahf> USB is well designed for planned obsolescence 
May 02 01:48:29 <robbiethe1st> Well, microUSB definitely is.
May 02 01:48:40 <robbiethe1st> Mini-usb seemed fairly decent, though
May 02 01:50:29 <SpeedEvil> Miniusb has the wear part on the wrong side IIRC
May 02 01:50:46 <SpeedEvil> The socket is only good for 1000 insertions IIRC
May 02 01:54:31 <robbiethe1st> Yet it's always /microusb/ sockets that fail.
May 02 01:58:36 <Hurrian> michaf, it's either USB or Firewire/Thunderbolt
May 02 01:59:02 <Hurrian> USB being called "Universal", FW/TB being supposedly interchangeable
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