**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:02 2012 May 03 05:48:47 is it possible to install maemo on android devices? I imagine the drivers are all closed source so its impossible May 03 05:52:34 arquebus: if you go a few evolution steps further you'll arrive at: Mer, Nemo-mobile and Plasma-Active May 03 05:53:29 dm8tbr: ok, I'll look those up May 03 08:14:50 LSD - Linux System Definition May 03 08:19:44 Morning, all May 03 08:24:59 Morning Jaffa :) May 03 09:29:27 moo May 03 10:02:39 any reason why my n900 has started downloading lots of 3G data as soon as i connect the 3G May 03 10:02:44 it never used to do that May 03 10:03:06 how much data? May 03 10:03:07 I would say 'updating to PR1.4 May 03 10:03:14 maybe checking updates or such? May 03 10:03:17 But that seems slightly unlikely May 03 10:03:20 well it used 12MB in around 20 seconds before i killed it May 03 10:03:24 i only get 10MB free per day May 03 10:03:59 i have 3G set to manual, so i connect it whenever i want 3G access May 03 10:04:56 ill probably try running iftop tomorrow and connect 3G, that should atleast show where the data is going and in what direction May 03 10:05:38 does it do the same on wifi? May 03 10:05:50 yeah, im just checking that now May 03 10:07:13 nope, right now its not using anything over wifi except my ssh session May 03 10:07:23 seems to only effect 3G May 03 10:08:46 odd May 03 10:08:54 will have to wait until tomorrow to check 3G or its going to cost $1 per MB May 03 10:09:30 your not aware of any n900 viruses are you? May 03 10:09:41 or keylogging etc May 03 10:10:04 nope May 03 10:10:38 ill post in here if it turns out to be anything dodgy May 03 10:10:50 N900 always re-downloads the full package list .. so 12MB wouldn't be too strange. That's one of the reasons I 'disabled' it May 03 10:12:24 just did an apt-get update, it only downloaded 151KB over wifi May 03 10:12:38 It's the catalogs May 03 10:12:51 Psi_: you have devel? May 03 10:12:58 dont think so May 03 10:13:00 * Psi_ looks May 03 10:14:16 iirc downloads not less that 8MB for me, with devel enabled May 03 10:16:40 yep, i have devel enabled May 03 10:22:22 hmm, then something must be wrong with mine :/ May 03 10:46:53 Psi_: http://pastebin.com/fVakS1VE May 03 10:49:29 how do i force it to redowmload May 03 10:51:56 a second apt-get update didn't download anything. so i suppose that i get very big downloads because i do them after a long time :/ May 03 10:52:22 yeah mine isnt getting either May 03 10:52:31 http://pastebin.com/NPE64162 May 03 11:06:22 http://www.itvoir.com/portal/news/News/Nokia-to-launch-hybrid-tablets-later-this-year-20-013.asp May 03 11:06:26 hmm, I wonder May 03 11:06:39 Qualcomm though May 03 11:09:00 hmm, interesting: https://gitorious.org/freedreno/ May 03 11:09:10 written by a chap working for Ti, lol May 03 11:42:36 lardman|home: win8... May 03 11:42:41 nogo May 03 11:43:18 Sicelo: clean the caches May 03 11:44:06 chem|st: yeah but I can't imagine some budding ex-Maemo Nokian wouldn't find a way to run something else on it... May 03 11:49:41 chem|st: not sure i get you :/ May 03 11:50:05 Well it will be made by Nokia, so surely there is a way and probably a will May 03 11:51:02 i.e. a platform on which to develop disruptive technologies, but still allowing it to be sold under the corporate masterplan May 03 11:53:50 lardman|home: abandone all hope! May 03 11:54:16 now there's some optimism! May 03 11:54:19 ;) May 03 11:58:06 Sicelo: in HAM remove repositories - update - add repositories - update May 03 11:58:21 lardman|home: truthful optimism May 03 11:59:27 nokia would increase lumia 900 sales by 200% if swapping winmo with bleeding edge maemo May 03 12:00:51 nokia would increase smartphone market share if distribution and platform-reliability of n9 had a base May 03 12:01:22 yeah :( May 03 12:01:57 a nokia tab with win8 wont challenge iPads in any way... with maemo it would May 03 12:02:17 yeah but the Windows route is already committed to May 03 12:02:35 though Nokia is known for sudden changes of direction ;) May 03 12:02:35 and is already known to fail May 03 12:03:58 retailers refuse to sell windows shit so do carriers, all over the world and especially in asia May 03 12:04:15 got to go, meeting May 03 12:04:17 bbiab May 03 13:27:56 hi chem|st May 03 13:28:03 hi lardman May 03 13:28:31 hi Doc May 03 13:38:50 o/ May 03 13:40:35 DocScrutinizer: n900s at rebuy for 160 is still tempting^^ May 03 13:41:59 hmm, used ones in "perfect condition" are more like 100..120 EUR May 03 13:44:34 Anyone know about Broadcom GPS chipsets? May 03 13:44:56 namely, do they have firmware loaded in order to implement a comms protocol, or is there some standard method they use? May 03 13:44:57 hmm, doesn't N9 use broadcom? May 03 13:45:00 yeah May 03 14:16:23 Hi all, is Modest able to use a proxy ? I can't find any item to configure to achieve this. May 03 14:16:41 BTW I use CSSU Testing May 03 14:16:49 if it makes any difference May 03 14:25:13 peetah: network settings for global setup May 03 14:25:31 chem|st: so it's all through proxy or nothing ? May 03 14:25:57 afaik May 03 14:26:24 ok thanks chem|st May 03 14:26:44 never checked if there are any options available "by hand" May 03 14:27:05 lmc May 03 14:32:41 there are settings available in /system/proxy that are different from http_proxy May 03 14:33:09 all I can tell... no settings specific for modest itself May 03 14:35:04 /system/proxy is a gconf path ? May 03 14:35:25 yes May 03 14:36:02 and /system/http_proxy gets set by network settings afaics May 03 14:58:01 has anyone experience with 32GB sd cards in n900? thinking about a samsung one 16 or 32 class 10... May 03 15:02:14 <_berto_> chem|st: I have a 32GB micro SD May 03 15:02:28 <_berto_> never had any problems with it May 03 15:06:17 chem|st, I have samsung 32GB class 10, no problems May 03 15:20:48 Pali: thanks May 03 15:26:29 moo May 03 15:31:22 hey May 03 16:09:15 is there any one can help me....plzzzzzzz May 03 16:09:27 with? May 03 16:09:37 my n900 May 03 16:10:02 ? May 03 16:10:04 there are many things that you could need our help with relating to the n900 May 03 16:10:15 many many things May 03 16:10:29 what's your problem? May 03 16:11:33 i don't know what happened to my cell the sim is inside but its showing a sim with a red cross line on it May 03 16:11:35 :( May 03 16:12:05 try taking it out, wiping it with a dry wet cloth (preferably cotton) and placing it back in May 03 16:12:22 what did you do shortly before this started to occur? May 03 16:12:52 s/dry wet/soft dry/ May 03 16:13:02 * BiggAl has brain fade this afternoon May 03 16:13:25 how safe is it to run the testing cssu on the n900? May 03 16:13:43 the main software gone crash May 03 16:14:08 i don't know anythng about this OS so plzzz help me out May 03 16:14:13 kaki what do you mean? the operating system locked up? What did you do to cause that? May 03 16:14:29 s/kaki/akki/ May 03 16:14:30 BiggAl meant: akki what do you mean? the operating system locked up? What did you do to cause that? May 03 16:15:58 i just try to extra-devel respositry after that the its all start May 03 16:17:07 what did you install? May 03 16:17:26 nathing May 03 16:17:31 or upgrade May 03 16:17:39 no May 03 16:17:41 :( May 03 16:18:31 well you must have done something - adding extra-devel makes new stuff available but it doesn't do anything else May 03 16:20:08 I mean when you say "the main software gone crash" what do you mean? May 03 16:20:44 natthng is working in cell even i cn't be able to make a call May 03 16:22:09 wtf? May 03 16:33:54 would the emmc work as a external sd card May 03 16:34:22 electrically May 03 16:34:43 obviously it wont fit May 03 16:34:54 but is the interface compatible May 03 16:38:49 Electrically - possibly, yes. May 03 16:39:01 it will not - as I understand it - work as an SD card. May 03 16:39:26 It will work as a MMC card - I think - which some SD stuff is backwards compatible with May 03 17:34:04 is there any memory map for the n900 May 03 17:49:39 memory map? May 03 17:50:44 physical address space map May 03 17:50:46 Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.4ss May 03 17:50:47 hmm May 03 17:50:57 so XLOADER isnt nokia at all :O May 03 17:51:10 NOLO X-Loader (v1.4.14, Apr 22 2010), looks related May 03 17:51:14 doesnt it May 03 17:52:24 no idea what the differences are, NOLO sources aren't available May 03 17:52:32 moot though, as it's signed IIRC May 03 17:53:50 moot? May 03 17:54:04 still May 03 17:54:15 this looks like x-loader is actually a TI program May 03 17:55:07 which i have the source for May 03 17:55:12 http://lukejin.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/beagleboard-xm-research1-initialization-x-load/ May 03 17:55:18 thats about beagle board May 03 17:55:23 which uses the same SoC May 03 17:55:54 yes May 03 17:56:03 moot as in no point in investigating further May 03 17:56:19 the N900 will not interact with an x-loader other than the signed build of NOLO it comes with May 03 17:57:59 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/03/epo_wipo_cooperation/ <-- no no no May 03 17:59:19 Meanwhile: Goldman Sachs, the bank described as a "giant vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity", is looking for a social media community manager. The role of the job, as the title suggests, will be to "foster a positive community" May 03 18:00:21 wmarone, in that context, are you aware of what SMC call functions are available on n900? Is it the standard omap35xx set? May 03 18:02:36 a goebbels May 03 18:03:10 haha May 03 18:33:41 peterbjornx: (X-loader) yes, x-loader is a very simple program originally published by TI I'd guess, the source is somewhat public, and as wmarone already noticed it's signed and has to be signed for making it work, and thus it's really highly useless to dig into it May 03 18:35:43 RST38h: awesome - sounds like my dream job description May 03 18:37:28 secondary is signed too? May 03 18:40:18 peterbjornx: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project May 03 18:40:31 peterbjornx: on N900 nope May 03 18:40:43 on N9 basically yes May 03 18:41:34 in the above URL you have to think "NOLO" when they write "uBoot" May 03 18:42:14 while actually jacekowski claimed that xloader+NOLO are a monolitic block on N900 May 03 18:42:41 AIUI May 03 18:44:31 so in theory one could flash uboot to secondary? May 03 18:45:10 jacekowski told there's a format known by ROMBL that allows loading larger code than the internal SRAM May 03 18:45:16 * chem|st got spare GBs again May 03 18:46:16 peterbjornx: in theory you can replace NOLO by uBoot, yes May 03 18:46:16 so what the hell is NOLO doing at boot May 03 18:46:34 it does some sort of memclr May 03 18:46:39 it's doing what all bootloaders do May 03 18:46:57 RAM:80008010 __entry ; CODE XREF: RAM:80008000j May 03 18:46:57 RAM:80008010 LDR SP, =__stack_base May 03 18:46:57 RAM:80008014 BL _clear_some_ram May 03 18:46:57 RAM:80008018 B _jump_to_80400241 May 03 18:47:13 or isnt the load address for secondary 80008000 May 03 18:48:04 else, whats at 80400241 May 03 18:48:14 initialize RAM (interface, power, clocks...), it sets up power supply for whole system, it cranks up display to a rudimentary functional state, it checks battery, it configures CPU clocks... May 03 18:49:06 oooh, and btw NOLO does all flashing May 03 18:49:13 yes May 03 18:49:25 but at what address is nolo loaded May 03 18:49:32 :shrug: May 03 18:53:56 >>In the case of a u-boot stored in NAND, the x-loader expects the u-boot to be located at the 5th sector (offset 0x00800000). It transfers the image from NAND into main memory and transfers control to it. In the case of a u-boot stored in eMMC, the x-loader expects the u-boot to be located at the offset 0x200.<< May 03 18:58:18 STORED AT May 03 18:58:24 not executed at May 03 18:59:40 yes May 03 18:59:54 whatever >>Note: If you are using an HS (High Security) OMAP device, an extra step is required. First, build x-load.bin using the steps above. Then, download the MShield signing tool and use the commands below. Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool.<< May 03 19:04:46 peterbjornx: you want to ask jacekowski about that May 03 19:16:17 lol May 03 20:16:25 you know that arrow next to SMS that shows they're being sent until the time stamp appears? Well, for me it usually stays there. And if I restart my phone all of mine are gone, and the ones they send are re-received. May 03 20:43:57 DocScrutinizer: mshield signing tool is somewhat public May 03 20:44:27 DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/tools/CSST_SDP3430_v2_5_Binary_Release.zip May 03 20:44:38 DocScrutinizer: i've got no idea where i got it from though May 03 20:45:01 Hmmmm May 03 20:45:15 jacekowski: I only quoted that bit for demosntrating how useless fazzing with xloader is May 03 20:45:43 jacekowski: does that work on the O4's too? May 03 20:45:58 peterbjornx obviously was puzzled where NOLO code is starting May 03 20:46:10 jacekowski: maybe you could help on that info May 03 20:46:31 ds3: ??? May 03 20:46:39 DocScrutinizer: that CSST tool May 03 20:47:18 ds3: dunno May 03 20:47:37 ds3: a) it's irrelevant on which platform you use a signing tool, as the target is a file for arbitrary other platform, and b) a signing tool is useless without private signing key May 03 20:47:37 ds3: i don't see why not but i wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work May 03 20:47:53 all xloader binaries have ti be signed May 03 20:47:55 to* May 03 20:48:10 on non HS devices it's just checksum and that kind of stuff May 03 20:48:25 on HS it has to be proper cryptosignature May 03 20:48:38 N900 is HS May 03 20:48:38 + you can add more stuff that allows it to setup all registers and everything May 03 20:48:51 yeah May 03 20:48:54 that's PITA May 03 20:48:56 DocScrutinizer: oh...that doesn't include the key, I take it? May 03 20:49:07 ds3: of course not May 03 20:49:08 :-) May 03 20:49:13 sigh ;) May 03 20:49:14 I guess May 03 20:49:28 you can alwas May 03 20:49:37 always swap the chip with one that has known key May 03 20:49:43 ...do crc for non-HS May 03 20:49:44 or disable HS mode May 03 20:49:48 or swap in a GP device ;) May 03 20:50:00 it's same device May 03 20:50:21 afaik it's jus tsingle input pin that makes it go into HS mode May 03 20:50:24 could we change some pins, so it boots to a different mode? May 03 20:50:39 * SpeedEvil gets out his leeetle drill. May 03 20:50:41 :-D May 03 20:50:43 as far as i know yes May 03 20:50:55 let me just get the TRM May 03 20:51:11 eeeeek, the TRM that always busts my RAM? May 03 20:51:52 ehhh May 03 20:51:54 edge internet May 03 20:52:02 ouch May 03 20:52:23 what's the .pdf's size? 100MB? May 03 20:52:29 20M May 03 20:53:08 22M May 03 20:53:09 explodes to 2GB swap file usage, when opening it May 03 20:53:14 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/spruf98g_omap3530TRM.pdf May 03 20:53:34 nice, you shawoed it? May 03 20:53:42 shadowed May 03 20:53:44 and there is that http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/omap3530.pdf May 03 20:53:50 yeah, i hate ti website May 03 20:54:05 finding something there takes ages May 03 20:54:09 yep May 03 20:54:13 g version May 03 20:54:14 ? May 03 20:54:19 I got bookmarks at least May 03 20:54:20 I wonder... May 03 20:54:30 you wonder what? May 03 20:54:46 ti website is generally developer/engineer hostile May 03 20:54:53 DocScrutinizer: some versions of the TRM has the full MUSB docs May 03 20:54:55 and their approach to toolchains is hostile as well May 03 20:54:59 D May 03 20:55:09 spruf98d May 03 20:55:25 how big is that May 03 20:55:35 same size May 03 20:55:37 roughly May 03 20:55:45 oh not g May 03 20:56:09 I ate them all, a..e May 03 20:56:23 err ..g May 03 20:56:41 killed me and my HDD and RAM May 03 20:56:52 and my DSL May 03 20:56:53 they were all legitimately downloaded from TI's site right? May 03 20:57:12 yep May 03 20:57:27 cool... then that is a legitimate non NDA version of the docs May 03 20:57:51 yeah it just takes like 30 clicks to find it May 03 20:58:01 and i've had no time to deal with that kind of shit May 03 20:58:43 best approach is to google for spruf98 May 03 20:58:52 site:ti.com May 03 20:59:15 even that may fail May 03 21:00:12 yeah, how do you know that you want to look for spruf98 May 03 21:00:22 you don't May 03 21:00:41 tried it, that version is not available May 03 21:00:45 that's why it took me like 4 weeks to find docs for TPS65951 May 03 21:20:56 ds3: ?? May 03 21:26:27 Do you know that arrow next to SMS that shows they're being sent until the time stamp appears? Well, for me it usually stays there. And if I restart my phone all of mine are gone, and the ones they send are re-received. May 03 23:02:35 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 04 02:59:59 2012