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May 05 03:00:47 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 05 03:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> not me though
May 05 03:01:28 <DavidTalmage_> Hello, DocScrutinizer.
May 05 03:01:40 <DavidTalmage_> You gave me an answer like that once before.
May 05 03:02:05 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, you probably asked to ask before then
May 05 03:02:17 <DocScrutinizer> ~ask
May 05 03:02:18 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
May 05 03:03:01 <DavidTalmage_> OK. Fine.
May 05 03:03:02 <Termana> I'm definitely here against my will
May 05 03:03:48 <DavidTalmage_> I'm building for Fremantle.  During linking, the linker can't find a library that I've already built.
May 05 03:03:50 <Termana> DavidTalmage_, if you have a specific problem just ask it. If someone is around that can answer it they will
May 05 03:04:03 <DavidTalmage_> Ternana, got it.  Thanks.
May 05 03:04:11 <DavidTalmage_> Oops.  Termana.
May 05 03:05:06 <DavidTalmage_> I think it's because the linker is looking only in sysroot.
May 05 03:05:17 <DavidTalmage_> I need it to look in the build directory.
May 05 03:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> that's not how linker works, unless you want to link statically
May 05 03:06:11 <DocScrutinizer> you need to install the lib, then linker will find it like any other lib
May 05 03:06:13 <DavidTalmage_> Isn't that what -L is for?
May 05 03:06:47 <DavidTalmage_> It behaves that way when I build for Linux.  Just not when I build for Fremantle.
May 05 03:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> but as mentioned above, my knowledge about those things is rather general and not very specific
May 05 03:07:15 <DavidTalmage_> I appreciate that, DocScrutinizer, and I appreciate that you're trying to help me.
May 05 03:08:21 <DavidTalmage_> I did in fact switch from static linking to dynamic linking.
May 05 03:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> I'd recommend `man ld`
May 05 03:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> as I suspect there's not anything special with madde linking
May 05 03:09:42 <DocScrutinizer> except of course the changeroot, I guess
May 05 03:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> I.E you're linking against target libs, not host libs
May 05 03:10:25 <DavidTalmage_> I just now read the section on '-L'.  It's supposed to do as I described: look in another directory.
May 05 03:10:42 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 05 03:11:54 <DavidTalmage_> I ran with mad the g++ invocation that QtCreator uses. I made it be verbose (-Wl,--verbose).
May 05 03:12:11 <DavidTalmage_> Then ld printed the directories it searched for my libraries.
May 05 03:12:39 <DavidTalmage_> They were all in sysroot.  My libraries aren't in sysroot.
May 05 03:12:54 <DavidTalmage_> The will be when QtCreator gets around to deploying.
May 05 03:13:14 <DavidTalmage_> I'll make it more complicated now.
May 05 03:13:26 <DavidTalmage_> I'm using a subdirs project.
May 05 03:13:38 <DavidTalmage_> It contains apps and libraries.
May 05 03:14:01 <Kilroo> I wonder when I shall recover enough motivation to try to get u-boot working again.
May 05 03:14:17 <Kilroo> At least I got my recovery process down to a science.
May 05 03:14:35 <DavidTalmage_> QtCreator is building one of my apps when ld says it can't find my libraries.
May 05 03:14:44 <Kilroo> But I'm still not sure exactly how I keep failing to produce a correct configuration.
May 05 03:14:44 <DavidTalmage_> This is a bootstrapping problem.
May 05 03:15:23 <DocScrutinizer> DavidTalmage_: you say ld printed all dirs it searched. So was the dir you gave with -L in this list?
May 05 03:15:37 <DavidTalmage_> DocScrutinizer, no.
May 05 03:16:01 <DavidTalmage_> That's the problem.
May 05 03:16:28 <DocScrutinizer> then your -L was either malformed in some way (which should cause a warning of ld nevertheless), or you rmethod to pass this parameter to ld failed
May 05 03:17:45 <DavidTalmage_> QtCreator generated it. I verified that the directory exists and that it contains the libraries.
May 05 03:18:15 <DavidTalmage_> There may be another way to invoke ld.
May 05 03:18:20 <DocScrutinizer> often a planned error is a good way to shed some light on things. Try using an illegal pathname for -L, try even an illegal parameter all together (-§ ?)
May 05 03:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> ("--nonono" is for sure an illegal parameter. Try to pass this to your ld run)
May 05 03:20:32 <DocScrutinizer> if it doesn't barf up on "--nonono: illegal parameter" you did sth wrong (or madde did sth "wrong")
May 05 03:21:03 <DavidTalmage_> I see what's happening.
May 05 03:21:41 <DavidTalmage_> The dir from my -L is in sort-of in the dirs that ld searched.
May 05 03:21:51 <DocScrutinizer> if your error parameter is passed to ld just fine, but ld seems to ignore -L this/doesnt/exist  then maybe some script is disabling/overriding -L
May 05 03:21:55 <DavidTalmage_> It's appended to the path to the sysroot.
May 05 03:22:12 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 05 03:22:27 <DavidTalmage_> E.g. ld -L foo  makes mad ld search $SYSROOT/foo.
May 05 03:22:31 <DavidTalmage_> Fooey.
May 05 03:22:47 <DavidTalmage_> mad is doing what it's supposed to do, I guess.
May 05 03:23:23 <DavidTalmage_> That makes this a QtCreator problem.  I need to make QtCreator copy my libs to sysroot before linking my apps.
May 05 03:30:56 <DavidTalmage_> Thanks for helping me focus, DocScrutinizer.
May 05 03:31:00 <DavidTalmage_> Good night, all.
May 05 03:31:04 <DocScrutinizer> yw :-D
May 05 03:31:49 <DocScrutinizer> though I still fail to see why it attaches header of sysroot to -L parameter
May 05 03:32:32 <DocScrutinizer> there's some --with-sysroot mentioned in manpage, I fail to get the meaning though
May 05 03:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> anyway manpage clearly states that usually -L parameters only get sysroot header when starting with "="
May 05 03:34:01 <DocScrutinizer> >> If  searchdir  begins with "=", then the "=" will be replaced by the sysroot prefix, a path specified when the           linker is configured.<<
May 05 03:34:48 <DocScrutinizer> DavidTalmage_: I gather you haven't a "=" in your -L ?
May 05 03:35:10 <Kilroo> I gotta say
May 05 03:35:43 <Kilroo> one of the amusing things about Linux for me was the first time I was trying to explain to a coworker how to SSH into a server and look at the end of a log file
May 05 03:36:20 <Kilroo> and ending up saying "Look, I gotta get to lunch...just look at man tail and let me know when I get back if you still need help."
May 05 03:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 05 03:42:00 <Kilroo> I got such an odd look for that one.
May 05 03:43:13 <DocScrutinizer> killer glare
May 05 03:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> I'd probably have told the guy about `less '+G'`
May 05 03:46:02 * DocScrutinizer just noticed he invoked `man ld` on ssh to IroN900
May 05 03:47:47 <DocScrutinizer> ...and about "h" and "q"
May 05 03:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> though "q" already isn't exactly needed
May 05 04:00:20 <DavidTalmage_> DocScrutinizer, I saw that in the man page.  No, I don't have an "=" in my -L.
May 05 04:04:03 <peterbjornx_n900> ello
May 05 07:37:11 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/04/nokia_class_action/
May 05 08:30:17 <Vib3> hi
May 05 08:30:39 <Vib3> tried to use charge.sh script but says can't find i2cget
May 05 08:52:13 <Vib3> got it working
May 05 10:08:34 <k273> hi DocScrutinizer, your checking on my /opt did well. I can install programs again.
May 05 10:10:37 <k273> thanks! Now I just have to handle the matter of input-hildon-desktop thing.
May 05 11:39:13 <freemangordon> Pali, just buy second SD card :P
May 05 11:39:51 <Pali> this is really studid idea of all developers which belive that only one OS is the best
May 05 11:40:09 <Pali> windows developers
May 05 11:40:41 <freemangordon> Well, you now which guys are "nemo n900 HW adaptation" ;)
May 05 11:41:02 <Pali> not now
May 05 11:41:09 <Pali> but seems that images are same as old meego
May 05 11:41:14 <freemangordon> Wouldn't call them exactly "windows developers", but still :D
May 05 11:41:16 <freemangordon> Yeah
May 05 11:41:35 <Pali> so this idea comes from meego and on meego worked people from nokia...
May 05 11:41:40 <freemangordon> you should do xypper upgrade, or whatever is the correct command, it is described on wiki page
May 05 11:41:54 <freemangordon> s/xipper/zypper/
May 05 11:42:14 <Pali> on my ubuntu box: zypper: command not found
May 05 11:42:25 <freemangordon> once you boot nemo :D
May 05 11:42:33 <Pali> but I cannot boot nemo :D
May 05 11:42:39 <freemangordon> it uses rpm, you know that
May 05 11:42:39 <Pali> really funny :D
May 05 11:42:43 <Hurrian> Pali, you need rpm ;)
May 05 11:42:46 <Pali> yes
May 05 11:43:02 <Pali> but why I must run some command on arm OS image?
May 05 11:43:07 <freemangordon> Pali, just by 4 GB SD card for 10 or so euros
May 05 11:43:18 <Hurrian> also, Pali, latest u-boot fixed -110 errors for me
May 05 11:43:19 <Pali> why they cannot prepair working image?
May 05 11:43:32 <Pali> Hurrian, nice
May 05 11:43:37 <freemangordon> Pali, again, zypper upgrade WHEN you boot nemo
May 05 11:43:51 <Pali> ok
May 05 11:44:00 <freemangordon> and the image is working ok, you just need to install it in the correct way
May 05 11:44:38 <Pali> correct way is what? dd all my data? this is really what is windows doing (or was doing)
May 05 11:45:01 <freemangordon> Pali, after all this is not end-user OS
May 05 11:45:14 <Hurrian> Pali, are you talking about the Nemo 4-30 release?
May 05 11:45:20 <freemangordon> you know meego DE :D
May 05 11:45:24 <Pali> why they force me to have only one OS on sd card? :D
May 05 11:45:36 <freemangordon> because they are evil :P
May 05 11:45:43 <Hurrian> Pali, use parted to check partitions inside it
May 05 11:45:54 <Hurrian> then mount them with -o offset=???
May 05 11:45:55 <Pali> I'm not forcing other developers to use only my programs :D
May 05 11:46:05 <Pali> Hurrian, losetup
May 05 11:46:12 <freemangordon> And who is forcing you to use Nemo?
May 05 11:46:20 <freemangordon> Pali, yep
May 05 11:46:41 <Pali> I want only test it without loosing data...
May 05 11:47:04 <freemangordon> Buy a second SD card for that ;)
May 05 11:47:10 <Hurrian> Pali, just leave a partition for Nemo
May 05 11:47:12 <Pali> ok, look at it on other side? why it does not boot if I only copy data?
May 05 11:47:19 <Hurrian> Pali, edit fstab
May 05 11:47:27 <Pali> it has /etc/fstab only?
May 05 11:47:30 <Hurrian> yeah
May 05 11:47:35 <Pali> or want something in bootsector?
May 05 11:47:37 <Hurrian> and then edit cmdline for nemo kernel
May 05 11:47:47 <Pali> cmdline is edined in u-boot bootmenu
May 05 11:47:53 <freemangordon> Because the kernel has cmdline prepared to boot with "run sdboot" comand
May 05 11:48:07 <Hurrian> just make an item file for nemo
May 05 11:48:24 <Pali> I have item file for nemo (with correct cmdline)
May 05 11:48:52 <freemangordon> Pali, what "nemo does not boot" exactly means, are you stuck on "booting kernel"?
May 05 11:48:55 <Hurrian> nemo is on ext4 partition>
May 05 11:49:00 <Pali> so they could write some info on wiki or somewhere what is problem with "only copy files"
May 05 11:49:00 <Hurrian> s/>/?/
May 05 11:49:02 <infobot> Hurrian meant: nemo is on ext4 partition?
May 05 11:49:16 <Pali> freemangordon, it show me systemd-fsck
May 05 11:49:30 <Pali> and show that I'm in rescue mode
May 05 11:49:36 <Hurrian> hmm, i'll test with the latest image
May 05 11:49:37 <Pali> and freeze
May 05 11:49:55 <Pali> Hurrian, yes, I have nemo on ext4
May 05 11:50:09 <Pali> also nitdroid and kubuntu too
May 05 11:50:10 <Hurrian> that's odd, I'll go test the latest image to see if it's broken
May 05 11:50:23 <Pali> Hurrian, I will try to look at /etc/fstab
May 05 11:50:25 <freemangordon> Hurrian, the latest image is the same year-old meego-ce AIUI
May 05 11:50:42 <freemangordon> ok, half an year old
May 05 11:50:42 <Pali> maybe this is reason why also kubuntu not booting
May 05 11:50:43 <Hurrian> ...with very minor changes.
May 05 11:51:14 <Hurrian> freemangordon, they have been tracking Mer core changes, so there's that
May 05 11:51:15 <freemangordon> Pali, could be, yeah, I think it expects ext3 or so
May 05 11:51:24 <Hurrian> no, the kernel expects ext4
May 05 11:51:26 <freemangordon> not that it should matter
May 05 11:51:31 <freemangordon> hmm, ok
May 05 11:54:12 <Pali> nemo fstab edited
May 05 11:54:17 <Pali> kubuntu has empty fstab
May 05 11:54:46 <freemangordon> Pali, which kernel you try to boot kubuntu qith?
May 05 11:54:52 <freemangordon> *with
May 05 11:55:03 <Pali> default which is in kubuntu image
May 05 11:55:10 <freemangordon> 3.x?
May 05 11:55:12 <Pali> with default initfs
May 05 11:55:17 <freemangordon> won't work
May 05 11:55:31 <freemangordon> you should use nemo kernel
May 05 11:55:42 <freemangordon> read the tread on TMO
May 05 11:56:00 <Pali> ok, and which initfs?
May 05 11:56:03 <freemangordon> I can give yot the kernel with SD card and thumb patches
May 05 11:56:10 <freemangordon> none
May 05 11:57:11 <Pali> freemangordon, ok give me link for kernel with thumb patches
May 05 11:57:19 <freemangordon> ok
May 05 11:57:27 <freemangordon> give me a minute to upload it
May 05 11:57:56 <Pali> ok, also write me correct cmdline
May 05 11:58:55 <Pali> now I have this for kubuntu: "vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 mpurate=\${mpurate} root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 fixrtc quiet splash"
May 05 11:59:29 * SpeedEvil spends a busy 4 seconds reading backscroll in #tizen.
May 05 11:59:48 <freemangordon> omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR ? haha, won't work
May 05 12:00:08 <Pali> now I see :D
May 05 12:00:13 <Pali> this is funny :D
May 05 12:00:24 <freemangordon> seems it is prepared for BB
May 05 12:02:55 <freemangordon> Pali, http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=2ab3a97876
May 05 12:04:05 <freemangordon> root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash elevator=noop
May 05 12:04:22 <freemangordon> change your root of course
May 05 12:04:28 <Pali> ok, thanks
May 05 12:04:53 <Pali> mmcblk0 is SD card?
May 05 12:04:59 <freemangordon> yep
May 05 12:06:40 <Pali> need to run depmod for modules?
May 05 12:06:51 <freemangordon> don't think
May 05 12:07:26 <Pali> ok
May 05 12:08:00 <freemangordon> have in mind I've never tried to boot that kernel from boot menu, i just copy it over 1's (vfat) partition and run sdboot
May 05 12:08:06 <freemangordon> 1'st
May 05 12:10:20 <Pali> booting nemo
May 05 12:10:27 <freemangordon> :)
May 05 12:10:30 <Pali> now it fsck showed no error
May 05 12:10:36 <Pali> and I got enter pin code :D
May 05 12:10:51 <Pali> booted :D
May 05 12:11:01 <freemangordon> you are using your primary device to test it?
May 05 12:11:11 <freemangordon> a brave one :D
May 05 12:11:12 <Pali> yes
May 05 12:11:54 <Hurrian> booting nemo is dangerous?
May 05 12:11:59 <Pali> so for nemo is needed only set correct /etc/fstab
May 05 12:12:11 <freemangordon> Hurrian, I don't think it is
May 05 12:12:37 <freemangordon> But Pali has "developr" device, that is why I am surprised 
May 05 12:12:42 <Hurrian> ah
May 05 12:13:07 <freemangordon> Pali, how fast it is running
May 05 12:13:09 <freemangordon> ?
May 05 12:13:16 <Pali> is fast
May 05 12:13:22 <Pali> I think usable
May 05 12:13:27 <Pali> now rebooted to kubuntu
May 05 12:13:29 <Hurrian> Pali, does WiFi hold for you?
May 05 12:13:44 <Pali> I got more warnings in init
May 05 12:13:54 <Pali> but now I got KDM login screen :D
May 05 12:14:01 <freemangordon> my kernel?
May 05 12:14:04 <Pali> yes
May 05 12:14:16 <freemangordon> any SIGILL in dmesg?
May 05 12:14:26 <freemangordon> or in /var/syslog
May 05 12:14:28 <Pali> I do not know user/password
May 05 12:14:37 <Pali> what is default username?
May 05 12:14:40 <Pali> and password?
May 05 12:14:51 <freemangordon> you don't have one, do a guest session
May 05 12:14:55 <Pali> shit touchscreen not working correctly
May 05 12:15:13 <Pali> Y axes are reverted
May 05 12:15:14 <freemangordon> yeah, that is why you need int_ua's installer :P
May 05 12:16:18 <Pali> freemangordon, I switched to console
May 05 12:16:25 <freemangordon> but be warned, it takes ages to complete
May 05 12:16:27 <Pali> but it still needs login :-(
May 05 12:16:47 <freemangordon> Pali, do a single-user login, edit /etc/..
May 05 12:16:53 <Pali> I will shutdown and create some user in /etc/passwd
May 05 12:16:59 <Hurrian> freemangordon, since he has nemo already, he can do the steps manually
May 05 12:17:07 <Hurrian> also, don't edit etc/passwd, use adduser
May 05 12:17:17 <freemangordon> if he knows which steps, of course
May 05 12:17:30 <Hurrian> just look it up from the install script ;)
May 05 12:17:34 <freemangordon> Pali, yeah, do adduser from a single-user mode
May 05 12:18:01 <Hurrian> mainly he needs kubuntu-integration.deb and copy firmware
May 05 12:18:05 <freemangordon> Hurrian, it is not so simple, but maybe could be done
May 05 12:18:10 <Hurrian> and the rc.local edit
May 05 12:18:28 <Pali> when I booted it show me messages failed to create pts
May 05 12:18:36 <freemangordon> ignore that
May 05 12:18:44 <Hurrian> maybe need entry in fstab, but doesn't matter
May 05 12:18:47 <Pali> ok
May 05 12:18:48 <Hurrian> it's just like tmpfs
May 05 12:19:07 <freemangordon> there is a fix for it, but don't ask me for it
May 05 12:24:30 <Pali> wifi and bluetooth show error that cannot load firmware
May 05 12:24:46 <freemangordon> copy the firmware from maemo
May 05 12:24:50 <Pali> ok
May 05 12:24:58 <Pali> now loading KDE :-)
May 05 12:25:18 <Pali> its very very slow
May 05 12:25:30 <freemangordon> first time it is
May 05 12:32:00 <Pali> so now it started
May 05 12:32:08 <Pali> it is very very slow, not usable
May 05 12:32:21 <Pali> nemo and nitdroid is fast
May 05 12:32:43 <freemangordon> Pali, any SIGILL in logs?
May 05 12:32:59 <Pali> I cannot open log
May 05 12:33:00 <freemangordon> and you can install kubuntu-low-fat-settings
May 05 12:33:06 <freemangordon> Pali, why?
May 05 12:33:14 <Pali> now trying to open konsole :D
May 05 12:33:18 <Pali> it is slow :D
May 05 12:33:21 <freemangordon> aah :D
May 05 12:33:31 <Pali> maybe I will open konsole in next 5 hours :D
May 05 12:33:34 <freemangordon> where is your swap set?
May 05 12:33:44 <Pali> no idea
May 05 12:33:51 <freemangordon> you have swap?
May 05 12:33:54 <Pali> I cannot run free, df, ...
May 05 12:34:06 <Pali> so I cannot tell you
May 05 12:34:16 <freemangordon> what about cat/proc/swaps?
May 05 12:34:33 <Pali> I have no terminal open yet!
May 05 12:34:37 <freemangordon> Pali, boot in single-user mode and setup a swap
May 05 12:34:40 <Pali> I'm trying to open konsole
May 05 12:34:51 <freemangordon> most probably you-re OOM
May 05 12:35:11 <freemangordon> well, not you, kubuntu :D
May 05 12:38:24 <Pali> no swap
May 05 12:38:50 <freemangordon> I told ya
May 05 12:39:10 <freemangordon> setup eMMC as swap (mmcblk1p3) 
May 05 12:39:18 <Pali> in dmeg is a lot of messages: failed to create pty - disabling logging for job
May 05 12:39:25 <freemangordon> ignore that
May 05 12:39:31 <Pali> temporary process spawn error
May 05 12:53:00 <Pali> freemangordon, I have no *SIG* in /var/log/syslog
May 05 12:53:30 <freemangordon> that is great
May 05 12:53:47 <freemangordon> how it is working now, when you have memory
May 05 12:54:04 <Pali> now I'm going to start KDE again :-)
May 05 12:54:19 <freemangordon> aah , ok
May 05 12:54:24 <Pali> swap is enabled
May 05 12:54:36 <Pali> I added it to /etc/fstab
May 05 12:54:57 <Pali> seems that kde is starting quickly, but still slow
May 05 12:55:56 <Pali> still loading...
May 05 12:56:52 <Pali> seems not usable with swap too
May 05 12:56:58 <Pali> still not loaded
May 05 12:57:05 <freemangordon> what class is your card?
May 05 12:57:32 <Pali> 10
May 05 12:57:39 <freemangordon> ok
May 05 12:57:46 <Pali> samsung 32GB class 10
May 05 12:57:54 <freemangordon> well, try to install kubuntu-low-fat-settings
May 05 12:58:29 <freemangordon> BTW isn't KDE too fat for n900?
May 05 12:58:48 <freemangordon> isn't lxde a better alternative?
May 05 12:58:55 <Pali> KDE is too fat for 8 cores i7 processors :D
May 05 12:59:05 <freemangordon> :D
May 05 12:59:09 <Pali> with 64GB ram :D
May 05 12:59:32 <Pali> because nepomuk, strigi and akonadi...
May 05 13:00:45 <Pali> kde not started....
May 05 13:00:58 <Pali> ok, now I'm finishing today testing
May 05 13:01:42 <Pali> I will do some other school homeworks...
May 05 13:01:48 <Pali> bye
May 05 13:01:51 <freemangordon> bb
May 05 13:03:52 <CodenameStrike-N> <Pali> KDE is too fat for 8 cores i7 processors :D
May 05 13:03:59 <CodenameStrike-N> 8 cores?
May 05 13:04:15 <CodenameStrike-N> You mean 4 cores with 8 threads?
May 05 13:04:32 <CodenameStrike-N> I'm using KDE though, with Nepomuk on
May 05 13:06:09 <trx> he meant 8x "Core i7 Processors" with 64GB of ram :)
May 05 13:08:06 <Hurrian> >more than 1 core i7 on a motherboard
May 05 13:08:21 <Hurrian> only with xeons.
May 05 13:11:01 <CodenameStrike-N> >64GB RAM
May 05 13:11:24 <CodenameStrike-N> I'm starting to wonder
May 05 13:30:50 <Hurrian> CodenameStrike-N, at that point, boot your whole OS off a ramdisk.
May 05 13:31:05 <Hurrian> way faster than any SSD
May 05 13:31:55 <CodenameStrike-N> Ah
May 05 13:32:46 <CodenameStrike-N> Probably something to test upon having a 5-digit salary here then.
May 05 13:33:17 <trx> heh, i would like 4 digits first :)
May 05 13:33:18 <CodenameStrike-N> Not inl USD, of course... 1USD is like 3 or more bucks here.
May 05 13:33:26 <CodenameStrike-N> *in
May 05 13:34:20 <spark666> how to remove this from my PS1? - BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
May 05 13:35:02 <Hurrian> it's not part of PS1, it's part of ash
May 05 13:35:25 <spark666> Hurrian: it is possible to remove it then?
May 05 13:35:27 <Hurrian> install bash4, set it as shell for user and root
May 05 13:35:29 <spark666> :-s
May 05 13:35:49 <spark666> some ppl from here said its not a good idea to use bash
May 05 13:36:08 <spark666> i love bash to,i never used ash
May 05 13:36:19 <Hurrian> why not use bash? it's a good shell.
May 05 13:36:49 <spark666> they said i can run into trouble on N900
May 05 13:37:02 <spark666> on my laptop i use bash
May 05 13:37:18 <Hurrian> only if you replace system service shells with bash, because nokia wrote them for ash
May 05 13:37:40 <spark666> humm
May 05 14:01:01 <iBorg> hi
May 05 14:01:10 <iBorg> any techs here ?
May 05 14:01:24 <iBorg> i have N900 prob if you can help me?
May 05 14:02:12 <r00t|home> google: asking questions on irc
May 05 14:02:31 <iBorg> web pages dont help
May 05 14:03:12 <r00t|home> read again
May 05 14:03:12 <brik> ask your question, we don't know if we can help unless we know what you need help with
May 05 14:05:45 <iBorg> i have N900, It does not boot. I am Now trying to flash the phone, however putting a fully charged battery in, and pressing and holding the "u" key, and then plugging in the USB data cable does not give me the USB indicator icon on screen. the screen just turns off.
May 05 14:06:35 <iBorg> the phone just cycles when either usb data is plugged in or when power adaptor is plugged in.
May 05 14:07:32 <iBorg> Cycle in my case means: Faint Nokia screen comes on, then I see white pips go forward and back for 1 cycle, then the phone powers off and starts again.
May 05 14:07:43 <iBorg> any idea's ?
May 05 14:09:10 <trx> DocScrutinizer i want to create a dream machine using n900 leds, its basically a stroboscope.. do you think it can damage the leds or anything else?
May 05 14:10:04 <trx> frequency is arround 10-30hz
May 05 14:11:42 <freemangordon> iBorg, with battery removed - plug usb cable, press and hold u and but the battery back, it is a little tricky, but works
May 05 14:11:44 <DocScrutinizer> which LEDs?
May 05 14:12:03 <freemangordon> s/and but/and put/
May 05 14:12:03 <infobot> freemangordon meant: iBorg, with battery removed - plug usb cable, press and hold u and put the battery back, it is a little tricky, but works
May 05 14:12:08 <iBorg> hi
May 05 14:12:14 <iBorg> ive tried that the phone remains OFF
May 05 14:12:35 <freemangordon> turn it in then, while still holding u
May 05 14:13:02 <iBorg> trying
May 05 14:13:18 <trx> DocScrutinizer flash leds
May 05 14:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> when phone doesn't power up on plugging in USB, resp inserting battery with USB plugged, you got a problem with either
May 05 14:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> trx: you can run the LEDs with 50mA (IIRC) permamnently
May 05 14:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> see flashlight app
May 05 14:14:52 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt however you can switch then this fast
May 05 14:15:48 <trx> i'll have to test that, i wanted to be sure that if i can i won't damage anything
May 05 14:15:50 <trx> thanks
May 05 14:16:13 <DocScrutinizer> you *will* damage when you run them on full power
May 05 14:16:45 <iBorg> ok same behaviour
May 05 14:16:55 <iBorg> the phone dont boot
May 05 14:17:02 <trx> so 50mA then, ok
May 05 14:17:29 <iBorg> i get a faint nokia screen, then white pips on screen for a second, then phone turns off.
May 05 14:17:29 <freemangordon> iBorg, you said you want to flash it
May 05 14:17:46 <iBorg> yea i do
May 05 14:17:54 <iBorg> im trying to get it working
May 05 14:18:09 <freemangordon> what OS is that, on your PC?
May 05 14:18:13 <iBorg> flashing it is my last resort to trying to get it working
May 05 14:18:36 <iBorg> i have 2 laptops here, 64 bit and 32
May 05 14:18:42 <iBorg> win and ubuntu
May 05 14:18:51 <freemangordon> try inder ubuntu
May 05 14:18:54 <freemangordon> *under
May 05 14:18:54 <iBorg> the flash app dont see the phone in any state
May 05 14:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> look in syslog
May 05 14:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> for "new USB device..." OWTTE
May 05 14:30:57 <k273> ohay DocScrutinizer 
May 05 14:31:13 <k273> I already managed that /opt hogs
May 05 14:31:16 <k273> thanks
May 05 14:31:21 <DocScrutinizer> yw :-)
May 05 14:31:39 <k273> but I cannot find HAM unless what you meant was hildon app man?
May 05 14:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 05 14:31:55 <k273> okay
May 05 14:33:08 * DocScrutinizer grins about the history showing up in fremantle's app names
May 05 14:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> osso, hildon... 
May 05 14:34:22 <k273> yes, funky, to say the least.
May 05 14:36:36 <DocScrutinizer> iBorg: I guess your USB cable or receptacle is broken
May 05 14:37:11 <DocScrutinizer> iBorg: have you looked nto syslog yet?
May 05 14:43:33 <DocScrutinizer> iBorg: ~# logger "this-is-syslog"; sudo less '+F' $(grep -l this-is-syslog /var/log/* 2>/dev/null)
May 05 14:54:48 <DocScrutinizer> iBorg: on your PC of course
May 05 14:58:42 <DocScrutinizer> iBorg: OTOH when device refuses to enter flashing mode when you hold 'u' key while plugging in *wallcharger*, then definitely your battery is defect or at very least completely depleted
May 05 14:59:40 <DocScrutinizer> when it doesn't boot at all, your USB is defect
May 05 15:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> device booting to dim NOKIA screen, then failing as soon as backlight gets enabled is most likely battery
May 05 15:00:39 <SpeedEvil> Or the battery is completely defective
May 05 15:01:02 <DocScrutinizer> >> then definitely your battery is defect or at very least completely depleted
May 05 15:01:16 <DocScrutinizer> defective even
May 05 15:02:33 <SpeedEvil> I meant if it doesn't boot at all
May 05 15:04:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, for some defects it actually might neither boot nor enter emergency-charge mode
May 05 15:05:36 <DocScrutinizer> where "boot" is "cpu starts doing 'things' like showing NOKIA on screen"
May 05 15:07:44 <DocScrutinizer> since PC has no D+- short, emergency-charge won't kick in, so no steady amber indicator, even with completely depleted battery
May 05 15:08:03 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I said *fastcharger* in post above
May 05 15:09:07 <DocScrutinizer> actually I said *wallcharger* :-D
May 05 15:09:32 <k273> And I wish I had Dodge Charger SRT8
May 05 15:16:19 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 05 15:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> I guess if I'd bother to google, I'd find sth about combustion engine with compressor or turbo
May 05 15:18:31 <DrGrov> Hi DocScrutinizer 
May 05 15:18:36 <DocScrutinizer> hi DrGrov 
May 05 15:18:37 <DrGrov> How are you doing?
May 05 15:18:59 <DocScrutinizer> ohwell, getting older :-P
May 05 15:19:34 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: Well, that is not all that bad now is it? :) 
May 05 15:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> I hated it when I was 20, I thanked God for not been able to stop aging at 20 when I was 35. Now I just hate it so much that I tend to ignore it all together
May 05 15:25:33 <DocScrutinizer> N years + 362 days gives me strange moods now, as does awaking in the morning with all sorts of aches ;-D
May 05 15:39:21 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: Damn, you are getting old :D
May 05 15:39:59 <k273> ummm Tylenol?
May 05 15:42:51 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
May 05 15:46:30 <k273> you said aches
May 05 16:59:37 <Tofe> Hi !
May 05 17:05:46 <Tofe> I got the owncloud sync client running on N900, but the UI... beeerk
May 05 17:06:46 <Tofe> Also it's going in the "systray" when closing it. But what is the systray on maemo, I don't have a clue :)
May 05 20:25:47 * DocScrutinizer googles tylenol
May 05 20:26:46 <DocScrutinizer> aah paracetamol
May 05 20:28:10 <DocScrutinizer> Tofe: usually the statusbar, or status menu
May 05 20:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> IOW the area where clock and battery icon appear
May 05 20:29:15 <DocScrutinizer> much like on systray ;-)
May 05 21:54:58 * DocScrutinizer sighs on cursory scanning http://www.8051projects.net/e107_files/public/1300865705_32137_FT45814_sim900d_hd_v1.02.pdf. Why-o-why don't current UMTS modems support all the nice features "old" GSM modems had: fax, CSD...
May 05 22:12:19 <jooles> Hey guys. Anyone here run a recent kernel (3.0 or later) on a nokia n810? I'm having trouble compiling a kernel for it that boots
May 05 22:42:59 <luke-jr> jooles: LOL good luck
May 05 22:43:27 <luke-jr> jooles: Linux still doesn't support N810. Mostly Nokia's fault.
May 05 22:44:24 <jooles> Eh, I figure it's worth a try. I should at least be able to get it to boot I would have thought
May 05 22:45:10 <jooles> One question though.. Does the use of XZ or LZMA compression on the kernel need the XZ or LZMA binaries to be in the initfs or anything like that?
May 05 22:45:42 <hurrian> no, it uses inbuilt kernel decompression algo
May 05 22:46:07 <jooles> hurrian: Awesome, thanks
May 05 22:47:17 <nox-> zx needs lots of ram right?
May 05 22:47:22 <nox-> xz i mean
May 05 22:48:30 <hurrian> it'll still boot Linux
May 05 22:48:40 <hurrian> it'll be slow, but it'll boot
May 05 22:49:34 <jooles> I think slowness is the main issue but I don't mind that
May 06 02:10:19 <Macer> anybody use ffmpeg?
May 06 02:10:22 <Macer> i can't seem to get a good syntax
May 06 02:10:25 <Macer> [buffer @ 0x91fe4a0] Expected at least 7 arguments, but only 5 found in '640:272:0:1:1000000'
May 06 02:10:28 <Macer> wtf
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