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May 13 11:01:09 <Dr4s1l> hi all
May 13 11:13:50 <Darkchaos2> would you send a phone with a broken USB in to Nokia and let them repiar it?
May 13 11:14:44 <Darkchaos2> (I'm in the guarantee but I don't want a new one without all data, and I don't know how long it takes. Does somebody know?)
May 13 11:17:23 <dm8tbr> AFAIK they don't send 'new' n900s and don't repair. They offer things like the N8 instead.
May 13 11:17:34 <k273> I see
May 13 11:17:42 <k273> better fix it for myself
May 13 11:18:39 <dm8tbr> if the pads weren't ripped off the PCB, yes. if they were, use enamel wire and the jig port. this has all been sufficiently documented.
May 13 11:22:28 <Darkchaos2> but the N8 neither has maemo nor nitdroid?
May 13 11:22:41 <jonwil> The N8 has Symbian
May 13 11:22:49 <jonwil> i.e. its junk :P
May 13 11:57:21 <k273> N9 Meego, N8 Symbian ^3, 800 WinPhone7
May 13 11:57:52 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: I prefer to suggest the direct fix (to next 'living' component inside next can) rather than TP-jig soldering
May 13 11:58:10 <DocScrutinizer> Darkchaos2: k273: see
May 13 11:58:13 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
May 13 11:58:14 <infobot> hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
May 13 11:59:47 <k273> DocScrutinizer: thanks, already saw it
May 13 12:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> Darkchaos2: Nokia definitely likes to "steal" N900 sent in for repair, and thinks they're not obliged to give you adequate replacement - just symbian crap. A lot of users were not even able to make Nokia send them back their unfixed N900
May 13 12:00:31 <k273> really, that bad, DocScrutinizer ?
May 13 12:01:02 <k273> the way they treat their consumers, there should be really big migration to other brands
May 13 12:01:12 <DocScrutinizer> well, that's the sum-up of what'S been reported by several dozen users during last 12 months
May 13 12:01:29 <DocScrutinizer> there should be a class action
May 13 12:02:10 <k273> mhmm
May 13 12:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> would teach Nokia what's cheaper: produce another batch of 5000 to get sufficient spare on shelf, or bertray all their customers
May 13 12:05:19 <HRH_H_Crab> it seems as though my tracker thing is only indexing mp3 files.
May 13 12:06:28 <DocScrutinizer> look, let's assume I was developing (with a dozen other guys) a complete suite with all the specialized tools for search&rescue and ERT crews, based on N900/maemo and local battery powered ruggedized WLAN AP (some with SAT uplink)
May 13 12:07:07 <HRH_H_Crab> has something changed? i can still play flac from the filesystem - they just dont seem to show up in the media player (im using open media player but the stock player doesnt behave differently)
May 13 12:07:12 <DocScrutinizer> we got 5 customers, biggest of them bought 1200 N900 for all their crews
May 13 12:07:25 <k273> woohooo party time!!!
May 13 12:07:55 <DocScrutinizer> now what's my balance when Nokia refuses to deliver spare parts / swap devices / working successors
May 13 12:08:36 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: then you're to blame for not securing the life-cycle of such a large-scale deployment.
May 13 12:09:16 <DocScrutinizer> me and a dozen other guys worked either in vain during a whole year, or we will get sued by our customers for not providing support for those expensive custom designed systems
May 13 12:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: indeed
May 13 12:09:34 <k273> DocScrutinizer: that's awful
May 13 12:09:51 <DocScrutinizer> k273: I said "let's assume..."
May 13 12:09:54 <k273> ah bad bad bad moooooves, these days, Nokia
May 13 12:10:23 <dm8tbr> this argument is void and just spreading FUD. so it's EOD for me here. have a nice sunday everyone.
May 13 12:10:26 <k273> yes, DocScrutinizer 
May 13 12:10:38 <k273> FUD?
May 13 12:11:10 <dm8tbr> lmgtfy.com/?q=FUD&l=1
May 13 12:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: nevertheless I could (even legally) expect a minimum service duration of several years from Nokia for a device of >500EUR class
May 13 12:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> while in fact Nokia denies any service even during legal warranty time of devices bought last year
May 13 12:13:05 <dm8tbr> as I said it's EOD for me. your point is moot. if there is a legal case, bring it to a german court.
May 13 12:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> I hope somebody *will* do this, but to an american court
May 13 12:13:54 <k273> ah, that, dm8tbr 
May 13 12:14:29 <k273> we in Indonesia also feel effed up too
May 13 12:18:38 <k273> Statements that Windows has lower total cost of ownership (TCO) than Linux, in Microsoft's "Get-The-Facts" campaign. It turned out that they were comparing Linux on a very expensive IBM Mainframe to Windows on a PC.[13][14]
May 13 12:18:41 <k273> lolz
May 13 12:22:16 <jaska> try comparing to z/os and related stuff on that same mainframe.. the license fees are pretty high afaik :)
May 13 12:35:17 * DocScrutinizer wonders...
May 13 12:35:20 <DocScrutinizer> ~eod
May 13 12:35:20 <infobot> it has been said that eod is End Of Discussion
May 13 12:35:58 * DocScrutinizer already pondered "End Of Days"
May 13 12:45:13 <k273> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pegy1ZjDO8I&feature=player_embedded
May 13 15:02:50 <Macer> hm
May 13 15:02:59 <Macer> i shouldn't have problems mismatching hard drives in a raid should i?
May 13 15:44:17 <SpeedEvil> It depends.
May 13 15:44:45 <SpeedEvil> If you have 10 1T, and one 750M - then clearly it gets more complex
May 13 15:49:47 <jacekowski> Macer: hard drives in raid should be mismatched
May 13 15:50:03 <jacekowski> Macer: as in, different manufacturers, batches
May 13 15:50:26 <jacekowski> Macer: so in case there is a problem with one make or batch you don't have them all fail at the same time
May 13 15:55:47 <cehteh> jacekowski: with today sloppy harddrive quality they have much spread on failure rates :P
May 13 15:56:32 <cehteh> always worked for me that one or two drives failed early enough to get a warranty replacement from another batch within the first half year or so 
May 13 15:58:39 <Macer> heh
May 13 15:58:56 <Macer> ok... well jacekowski that answered my question
May 13 15:59:06 <Macer> i am asking because i usually use the same make/model of hard drives when i replace them
May 13 15:59:13 <Macer> but in this case i am going to replace a wd with a seagate
May 13 16:13:05 <SpeedEvil> noissue
May 13 17:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> matching sizes make things simpler though
May 13 17:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> btw all this applies to redundant raid classes only
May 13 17:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> for a non-redundant raid, I'd probably actually use one brand and model of HDD only
May 13 17:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> since one drive failing means raid down anyway, so keeping track of possible issues in your raid hw is way simpler if you have a homogen zoo of drives
May 13 18:36:06 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ping
May 13 18:39:16 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: I've made a good start on the issue but left you and fiferboy a few: "council election delayed" and some apps
May 13 21:32:12 <DocScrutinizer> **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM 
May 13 21:32:58 <DocScrutinizer> (which expands to:) http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1/2_2012
May 13 21:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, OK.
May 13 21:48:14 <tgalal> MohammadAG: u there?
May 13 21:52:12 <DocScrutinizer> hey GeneralAntilles o/
May 13 21:53:34 <MohammadAG> tgalal, yeah, heading to bed though
May 13 21:53:45 <MohammadAG> sup?
May 13 21:54:55 <GeneralAntilles> Hey-oh.
May 13 22:01:43 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: if you're short on topics for MWKN, the current move to a "cssu-extras repo" of some sort might be interesting, incl tomorrow's 1800UTC meeting on #maemo-ssu
May 13 22:02:42 <GeneralAntilles> Umgh
May 13 22:02:48 <GeneralAntilles> I don't have enough coherence tonight to add articles.
May 13 22:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 13 22:02:59 <GeneralAntilles> Sunday is the worst possible night for me to be doing MWKN
May 13 22:03:07 <GeneralAntilles> It's my Friday in more ways than one.
May 13 22:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> well, anyway I'd appreciate you joining meeting tomorrow :-D
May 13 22:05:55 <GeneralAntilles> What, you want me to troll? :P
May 13 22:06:02 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 13 22:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> your trolling is magnitudes better than some other seriously meant contribution
May 13 22:07:06 <GeneralAntilles> I'm putting that on my tombstone.
May 13 22:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
May 13 22:08:29 * DocScrutinizer hands a Friday evening drink to GeneralAntilles
May 13 22:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> I wish!
May 13 22:08:43 * GeneralAntilles is on cold medicine instead.
May 13 22:08:49 <DocScrutinizer> EEEW
May 13 22:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> damn, get well soon
May 13 22:09:28 <GeneralAntilles> Week.5 now.
May 13 22:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> I know that, seems I had same shite
May 13 22:09:54 <GeneralAntilles> It's everywhere.
May 13 22:12:54 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: OT, shall I get T60 (http://www.pc-topline.de/product_info.php?products_id=9) or C-29 (http://www.pc-topline.de/product_info.php?products_id=33&XTCsid=4f1928851668e404a3fc800d5a3f69f6) ?
May 13 22:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> You really want to lug a Toughbook around?
May 13 22:13:20 <DocScrutinizer> err CF-29
May 13 22:13:49 <DocScrutinizer> when I really do lug some laptop around, then I prefer a toughbook
May 13 22:14:04 <GeneralAntilles> I'd get the Lenovo, personally.
May 13 22:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 13 22:14:11 <GeneralAntilles> But I don't abuse my devices very much.
May 13 22:14:19 <DocScrutinizer> that'S the point
May 13 22:14:26 <DocScrutinizer> me neither
May 13 22:14:44 <GeneralAntilles> Almost half the price.
May 13 22:14:50 <GeneralAntilles> So if you break it you can just get another one. :P
May 13 22:15:00 <DocScrutinizer> this laptop here is home for spiders, despite I'm using it 24/7
May 13 22:15:06 <DocScrutinizer> it never really moves
May 13 22:15:51 <GeneralAntilles> Why not get: http://www.pc-topline.de/product_info.php?products_id=29 ?
May 13 22:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> is it "better" than the T60? regarding build quality etc. Or at least same?
May 13 22:17:33 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, good question.
May 13 22:18:26 <GeneralAntilles> Should be the same build quality.
May 13 22:20:52 <DocScrutinizer> do you by any chance know if it's glossy screen or matte screen
May 13 22:22:01 <GeneralAntilles> ThinkWiki doesn't say.
May 13 22:22:09 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
May 13 22:29:42 <DocScrutinizer> well, seems it's matte
May 13 22:31:25 <GeneralAntilles> ieatlint, lintblog is your blog!
May 13 22:31:33 * GeneralAntilles epiphanies.
May 13 22:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> though >>1680x1050 Pixel, WSXGA TFT, Samsung LTN154P3-L02 Panel,<< (http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T500-Notebook.11940.0.html) vs >>1280 x 800 WXGA<<  on that pc-topline page. GPU also differs. WTF?!
May 13 22:35:51 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the resolution kinda sucks.
May 13 22:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> Looks like it's the base model.
May 13 23:01:30 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, yeah
May 13 23:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, looks good. And allegedly good linux support
May 13 23:02:50 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's t500 then
May 13 23:32:33 <muellis3> uh. Can't connect to maemo.org:80 (Connection refused)
May 13 23:36:01 <Muelli> k. back up again. Probably logrotate HUPping the Apache...
May 14 00:34:49 <Sc0rpius> I just noticed that new Xephyr doesn't work with scratchbox.
May 14 00:35:04 <Sc0rpius> I had to dig an older version :S
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