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May 14 07:05:50 <LaoLang_cool> hi, how to let the notification for sms not grouped in one
May 14 07:57:39 * merlin1991 can't find the wiki page with the allowed user sections for maemo :/
May 14 08:45:22 <LaoLang_cool> Hi, how to let the sms notification not group into one?
May 14 08:45:36 <LaoLang_cool> not be grouped into one
May 14 08:49:43 <ShadowJK> there's no setting for that
May 14 08:51:44 <LaoLang_cool> ShadowJK, I have a feeling that it's configureable, maybe need some config file editing
May 14 09:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 14 09:06:29 <DocScrutinizer> not afaik
May 14 09:06:57 <DocScrutinizer> we recently checked how grouping is done, it's a function of notifier itself basically
May 14 09:09:47 <LaoLang_coo_> DocScrutinizer, hmm, so sad..
May 14 09:10:36 <DocScrutinizer> see phone-control wikipage
May 14 09:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> you however might want to strings the relevant plugin, maybe find a gconf key not publicly known
May 14 09:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> ps delivers /usr/sbin/sms-manager, /usr/sbin/csd -m -p call -p gprs -p info -p net -p sim -p simpb -p sms -p ss
May 14 09:25:50 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-04-29.log.html#t2012-04-29T22:59:19
May 14 09:42:41 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: You can break grouping
May 14 09:43:17 <DocScrutinizer> enlighten us, oh master :-D
May 14 09:44:17 <MohammadAG> /etc/hildon-*
May 14 09:44:36 <MohammadAG> Somewhere there there's a comfig
May 14 09:44:57 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 14 09:45:15 <MohammadAG> Can you ls all those dirs and pastebin?
May 14 09:45:20 <merlin1991> hm omp update /me reads changelog
May 14 09:45:21 <DocScrutinizer> I ought mention you're obviously the master of notification: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-31.log.html#t2010-08-31T17:53:47
May 14 09:45:48 <MohammadAG> ls /etc/hildon-* | pastebinit
May 14 09:49:14 <MohammadAG> Anyone? merlin1991? :p
May 14 09:50:09 <merlin1991> sry mag
May 14 09:50:09 <merlin1991> THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api
May 14 09:50:10 <merlin1991> :D
May 14 09:50:21 * merlin1991 facepalms
May 14 09:50:34 <merlin1991> seems the pastebinit package in -devel needs an update
May 14 09:51:03 <merlin1991> also DAFUQ since when does pastebin have a login?
May 14 09:52:03 <merlin1991> http://paste.debian.net/168705/
May 14 09:52:47 <merlin1991> MohammadAG:  ^^
May 14 09:53:19 <MohammadAG> merlin1991: Pastebin notification-groups.conf
May 14 09:53:43 <merlin1991> http://paste.debian.net/168706/
May 14 09:55:45 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: Remove Group=_grouped_messages
May 14 09:55:57 <MohammadAG> LaoLang_coo_: ^
May 14 09:56:27 <k273> looool
May 14 09:58:30 <MohammadAG> merlin1991: Y U NO HV SOCIALITY
May 14 09:58:43 <MohammadAG> And gpodder
May 14 09:58:45 <merlin1991> huh?
May 14 09:58:51 <merlin1991> afaik I do have sociality
May 14 09:58:55 <MohammadAG> We modify that file
May 14 09:59:14 <MohammadAG> Hmm, pastebin notifications.conf
May 14 09:59:24 <merlin1991> ah yeah only have sociality on my n9 :D
May 14 09:59:33 <MohammadAG> See
May 14 09:59:43 <merlin1991> and nope I don't need gpodder :D
May 14 10:01:07 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you da man!
May 14 10:01:54 <MohammadAG> Oh and destination
May 14 10:01:55 <DocScrutinizer> (pastebinit)  netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234
May 14 10:02:13 <MohammadAG> That overlays the WM_Class with the nane
May 14 10:02:29 <MohammadAG> Window with WM_class name
May 14 10:02:31 <MohammadAG> Whatever
May 14 10:05:29 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: wtf [sms-message-class-0] ??
May 14 10:05:51 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: Random name
May 14 10:06:08 <MohammadAG> Oh
May 14 10:06:20 <MohammadAG> Idk, it's the way they implement sounds
May 14 10:06:32 <MohammadAG> Fucked up but yeah...
May 14 10:07:19 <ieatlint> GeneralAntilles: yes, yes it is
May 14 10:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> still need notifications.conf?
May 14 10:08:31 <MohammadAG> Only for a memory refresh
May 14 10:08:49 <MohammadAG> I thought I was modifying that
May 14 10:09:15 <DocScrutinizer> see your query
May 14 10:11:23 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how many N900 are available via RDP
May 14 10:11:29 <DocScrutinizer> RDA?
May 14 10:12:22 * DocScrutinizer ponders to link his 3rd device to maemo.cloud-7.de for public ssh access
May 14 10:13:30 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UAKRq8Bw
May 14 10:15:34 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 14 10:16:02 <MohammadAG> Sadly there's no .d directoru
May 14 10:16:03 <MohammadAG> Y
May 14 10:16:27 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: reverse ssh tunnel magic?
May 14 10:16:50 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: yes, that's what I thought of
May 14 10:17:23 <merlin1991> and then crate a user on maemo.could.... that is just allowed to run a command (n900access or whatever)
May 14 10:17:32 <merlin1991> which builds a ssh tunnel into your device?
May 14 10:18:10 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 14 10:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> I could even create a dedicated subdomain, like n900-rda.cloud-7.de, and have a CNAME for it
May 14 10:19:59 <MohammadAG> thp's mini rant http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CtMb9m6U
May 14 10:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> I don't like to publish dyndns name of my local IP
May 14 10:20:40 <MohammadAG> I'm.better.than.egoshin.org
May 14 10:21:08 <MohammadAG> Err, abill_uk
May 14 10:21:18 <MohammadAG> Not egoshin, sorry egoshin
May 14 10:21:24 <merlin1991> Removing all DKMS Modules
May 14 10:21:26 <merlin1991> huh
May 14 10:21:39 * merlin1991 starts to wonder if apt-get upgrade was such a good idea after all
May 14 10:21:51 <MohammadAG> Debian way of kernel modules
May 14 10:22:03 <MohammadAG> They'll be rebuilt in postinst later
May 14 10:22:13 <merlin1991> it's the nvidia package :D
May 14 10:22:21 <MohammadAG> Yeah
May 14 10:22:36 <merlin1991> and it appears to be stuck
May 14 10:22:36 <merlin1991> yay
May 14 10:22:44 <MohammadAG> It's how I suggested modules on maemo
May 14 10:22:56 <MohammadAG> But there's no gcc to build with
May 14 10:23:15 <DocScrutinizer> a PITA
May 14 10:23:30 <MohammadAG> merlin1991: Don't kill it
May 14 10:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> and in my book an overkill as well
May 14 10:23:59 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: no worries I'm patient
May 14 10:24:28 <merlin1991> I think it's time I roll my own dist for maemo dev
May 14 10:24:40 <merlin1991> buntkuh is starting to annoy me big time
May 14 10:25:24 <MohammadAG> I wish I could have the latest cores of Ubuntu with gnome 2
May 14 10:25:37 * DocScrutinizer coughs a bit, and curses the realization that adding complexity results in chaos, and chaos creates virus eventually
May 14 10:26:05 <MohammadAG> I have nothing against unity
May 14 10:26:20 <DocScrutinizer> buntkuh, MOOOO
May 14 10:26:21 <MohammadAG> Only the person who decided it was mature enough to ship
May 14 10:26:48 <DocScrutinizer> shoot Shuttleworth
May 14 10:26:51 <MohammadAG> Or better, the person who made the decision that users will like Ubuntu more
May 14 10:26:55 <DocScrutinizer> (or whatever his name)
May 14 10:26:59 <MohammadAG> Unity*
May 14 10:27:08 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: ubuntu seems to be user hostile
May 14 10:27:15 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: using nouveau drivers by default
May 14 10:27:19 <jacekowski> unity
May 14 10:27:27 <jacekowski> PA
May 14 10:27:30 <merlin1991> nouveau drivers are awesome :D
May 14 10:27:38 <DocScrutinizer> buntkuh is a brainfuck, by design
May 14 10:27:44 <merlin1991> with my card they change into a mode above the monitor resolution
May 14 10:27:53 <merlin1991> perfect :/
May 14 10:27:57 <MohammadAG> Yeah, me too :D
May 14 10:28:06 <MohammadAG> It actually scrolls though
May 14 10:28:06 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: I don't see how it's so brainfuck by design
May 14 10:28:17 <merlin1991> it is linux kernel + xorg + kde
May 14 10:28:21 <MohammadAG> It wasn't at some point
May 14 10:28:24 <MohammadAG> Kde?
May 14 10:28:28 <merlin1991> and no kernel + wayland + unity :D
May 14 10:28:28 <MohammadAG> That's kubuntu
May 14 10:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> all taken as hostages by Shuttleworth, then abused
May 14 10:28:41 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: buntkuh is kubuntu ;)
May 14 10:28:58 <MohammadAG> No, buntkuh is Ubuntu :p
May 14 10:29:15 <MohammadAG> Oh wayland
May 14 10:29:19 <DocScrutinizer> is there a big difference?
May 14 10:29:22 <DocScrutinizer> bot crap
May 14 10:29:23 <MohammadAG> When will it replace X 
May 14 10:29:25 <DocScrutinizer> both
May 14 10:29:41 <MohammadAG> I'm so excited to break X
May 14 10:30:05 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: though give me the alternative with apt based package management, and recent software / drivers
May 14 10:30:15 <merlin1991> and kde / gnome2 :D
May 14 10:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> wtf apt
May 14 10:30:29 <MohammadAG> Debian
May 14 10:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> diff yum aptitude ->files don't differ
May 14 10:30:47 <MohammadAG> Apt is not mandatory on a Debian system
May 14 10:31:03 <StyXman> MohammadAG: debian is a little behing in kde releases right now :(
May 14 10:31:07 <StyXman> behind*
May 14 10:31:22 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: debian is also a little behind other realeases
May 14 10:31:24 <MohammadAG> Debian packages are always behind really
May 14 10:31:33 <MohammadAG> As I said
May 14 10:31:39 <merlin1991> on debian I get no sound or 3d accel unless I roll my own
May 14 10:31:51 <MohammadAG> Ubuntu core + gnome 2 = heaven
May 14 10:31:58 <merlin1991> so my requirements: apt, recent, proper window system are only met by kubuntu :/
May 14 10:32:20 <k273> Linux Mint merlin1991 ?
May 14 10:32:26 <MohammadAG> Or Ubuntu with gnome 2?
May 14 10:32:56 <merlin1991> I could try mint one day, but I fear it's going to be even worse than buntkuh :D
May 14 10:33:10 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: I really don't see rationale behind dpkg vs rpm wars
May 14 10:33:50 <DocScrutinizer> in the end the UI is same for both
May 14 10:34:01 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: quite simply I need apt in order todo what I want todo
May 14 10:34:05 <merlin1991> thus no rpm :D
May 14 10:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> hell, I even heard aptitude can use rpm as well
May 14 10:34:28 <merlin1991> if there were proper rpm packages for the stuff I use I'd use rpm
May 14 10:34:37 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: that's a moot argument
May 14 10:34:39 <merlin1991> I don't prefer on over the other
May 14 10:34:46 <DocScrutinizer> I need apt because I want apt
May 14 10:34:48 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
May 14 10:35:01 <merlin1991> I need apt because I use stuff that needs apt :D
May 14 10:35:10 <psycho_oreos> alien ftw
May 14 10:35:17 <merlin1991> bah
May 14 10:35:24 <merlin1991> alien only drives me crazy
May 14 10:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> alien or buntkuh and shuttleworth madness, your choice
May 14 10:36:53 <MohammadAG> User preference
May 14 10:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> honestly the only valid reason you *need* to use apt is you want to develop an apt patch
May 14 10:37:50 <DocScrutinizer> I even managed to install maemo SB on a RPM system
May 14 10:39:52 <k273> alien?
May 14 10:40:00 <k273> and why call it buntkuh?
May 14 10:40:13 <merlin1991> k273: kuh is german for cow ;)
May 14 10:40:20 <k273> oh
May 14 10:40:37 <DocScrutinizer> and bunt == colored/checkered
May 14 10:40:38 <merlin1991> and alien is a tool to make rpm packages out of debs and vice versa
May 14 10:40:56 <k273> ah I remember alien, yeah
May 14 10:41:03 <k273> checkered cow lol
May 14 10:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I don't care at all if a new system/distri is rpm or deb now. Things like sysV-init / upstart / systemd matter way more to me -  i strongly despise the latter 2
May 14 10:42:32 <merlin1991> imo upstart is even worse than systemd :D
May 14 10:43:30 <merlin1991> though I still like the elegance of the openelec boot system
May 14 10:43:54 <merlin1991> just shellscripts that properly source a few base settings and then start everything :)
May 14 10:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> well, sounds like sysV
May 14 10:44:16 <MohammadAG> Upstart isn't that bad
May 14 10:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, see maemo
May 14 10:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
May 14 10:45:02 <MohammadAG> Boots fine :p
May 14 10:45:15 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: systemd and sysV-init also boot fine
May 14 10:45:24 <DocScrutinizer> initctl --help ->Report bugs to <upstart-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
May 14 10:45:34 <Hurrian> wait, is systemd being ported to maemo?
May 14 10:45:41 <merlin1991> Hurrian: no worries:D
May 14 10:45:58 <merlin1991> not enough manpower to hold DocScrutinizer back whilst we do that in cssu ;)
May 14 10:46:00 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: no way :-)
May 14 10:46:07 <Hurrian> (side note, Ubuntu maintainers don't like systemd, they've spent too much time on their upstart)
May 14 10:47:00 <DocScrutinizer> and poettering never would use upstart and fix the few things he doesn't like with it - NIH
May 14 10:47:13 <DocScrutinizer> same way he didn't fix ALSA
May 14 10:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> NIH
May 14 10:47:28 <DocScrutinizer> ~poettering
May 14 10:47:28 <infobot> 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''
May 14 10:48:47 * DocScrutinizer suspects lennart poetering doesn't know how to read manpages, so prefers to write stuff new himself
May 14 10:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> btw merlin1991, systemd definitely doesn't boot so fine
May 14 10:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> openmoko SHR revently adopted systemd, and since then we got all sorts of hickups in boot ;-)
May 14 10:54:14 <merlin1991> well
May 14 10:54:30 <merlin1991> quite possibly you did some configuration wrong ;)
May 14 10:54:47 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and debugging that is real fun in systemd
May 14 10:54:49 <LaoLang_coo_> MohammadAG, thank you!
May 14 10:55:05 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, weldone MohammadAG 
May 14 10:55:07 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: dunno debugging upstart is pita aswell
May 14 10:55:17 <DocScrutinizer> no doubt
May 14 10:55:32 <merlin1991> never had to debug sysV-init yet, so nfc there
May 14 10:55:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail sysV init
May 14 10:55:33 * infobot bows down to sysV init and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
May 14 10:55:35 <MohammadAG> LaoLang_coo_: Remove destination too:)
May 14 10:55:49 <MohammadAG> And you're welcome
May 14 10:56:48 <LaoLang_coo_> MohammadAG, remove destination? what does it mean? My english is poor ;p
May 14 10:57:21 <MohammadAG> Destination= line in the config file under sms-message
May 14 10:57:37 <MohammadAG> Destination=Rtcomm-messaging-ui
May 14 11:17:32 <LaoLang_coo_> MohammadAG, oh, got it, I've removed all Group=_grouped_messages in that file, and I can't find my config file has any Destination line..
May 14 11:18:08 <LaoLang_coo_> oh, my mistake..
May 14 11:18:54 <LaoLang_coo_> I don't know what's the use of Desination line?
May 14 11:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: you don't want to remove _all_ Group=_grouped_messages, just for sms or whatever it's been you were about to tweak
May 14 11:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> a secion is from one [some-header] to [next-header]
May 14 11:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: for sms you want to edit section [sms-message]
May 14 11:25:07 <DocScrutinizer> [missed-call]  might be another candidate for user tweaking, to get a separate notification for each missed call
May 14 11:25:37 <LaoLang_coo_> DocScrutinizer, I don't think group notification is usefule for me :)
May 14 11:26:01 <LaoLang_coo_> I want to see all notification seperately
May 14 11:26:25 <LaoLang_coo_> What does Destination line do? I don't understand the line
May 14 11:26:31 <DocScrutinizer> well, for e.g. [chat-message] it might get messy
May 14 11:26:59 <DocScrutinizer> it seems Destination somehow links the notification to a window
May 14 11:27:39 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG should know details, I guess
May 14 11:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: for [chat-message] this will raise a notifier aiui
May 14 11:28:45 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: and this another one
May 14 11:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: and a third
May 14 11:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: not sure if that's what you actually want
May 14 11:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: you probably can't find any time to answer, from all that notifier closing you have to do
May 14 11:30:41 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: :-D
May 14 11:32:46 <MohammadAG> Destination overlays the notification on the window
May 14 11:33:01 <MohammadAG> Without it, the messaging app would be open but the notification would show next to it
May 14 11:34:51 <LaoLang_coo_> thank you all, you're all gurus!
May 14 11:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> dang
May 14 11:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> awesome: >>Destination=FIXME  <<
May 14 11:35:48 <chem|st> lol
May 14 11:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> moo chem|st 
May 14 11:36:13 * chem|st throws some BBQed steaks into channel
May 14 11:36:19 <DocScrutinizer> yummy
May 14 11:36:51 <chem|st> drop a cheesy sausage in a closed gas griller and you get an instant smoker^^
May 14 11:37:03 <chem|st> *pops*
May 14 11:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> cheesy sausage - perverted
May 14 11:38:36 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
May 14 11:40:41 <chem|st> is there some better than panucci for listening to audiobooks?
May 14 11:41:33 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: one of nine...
May 14 11:44:26 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I think my n900 is now becoming wheatbeer'hickups... every now and then some applications crash, the maps-upgrade failed several times... any ideas despise reflashing
May 14 11:44:36 <MohammadAG> chem|st: Mind pullimg the plug on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84260&page=3
May 14 11:44:40 <MohammadAG> Pulling
May 14 11:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: umm, maybe flushing
May 14 11:47:23 <chem|st> MohammadAG: pulled
May 14 11:47:37 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: another suitable idea...
May 14 11:47:54 <MohammadAG> Time of death 2:47
May 14 11:47:55 * chem|st runs to toilet and tries flushing it...
May 14 11:48:25 <chem|st> Confirming death at 2:47, he's dead Jim
May 14 11:49:21 <chem|st> MohammadAG: it still bothers me that you or even someone like you is after wazzup
May 14 11:49:23 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: seriously, rinse it thoroughly again, distilled water, then 99% ethanol
May 14 11:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> then dry for a week
May 14 11:50:00 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I doubt it... it was working flawlessly for about a year now
May 14 11:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: get a spare, they're rather cheap now, used ones on fleabay
May 14 11:51:28 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: fleabay or ebay? I don't want to order from some ozzy flea-market
May 14 11:52:47 <DocScrutinizer> btw, I all of a sudden recall a fixing procedure I did in a NE555 in a automotive wiper interval module: heat the whole chip with soldering iron for 10..15s (probably evaporates humidity that might have gone in thru cracks in chip case), then spray the whole chip with oil while it's still hot
May 14 11:53:09 <DocScrutinizer> fixed the wiper interval for another ~3 years, then I sold the car
May 14 11:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> might still work today ;-D - or the car is square meanwhile
May 14 11:54:59 <chem|st> hehe
May 14 11:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> Opel btw
May 14 11:56:28 <MohammadAG> chem|st: After? I have an iPhone so I don't _need_ Wazapp
May 14 11:56:35 <MohammadAG> I have whatsapp thougj
May 14 11:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: you probably know better than me if silicon oil or mineral oil is better suited for that
May 14 11:57:35 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: "acid-free"
May 14 11:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> sure thing
May 14 11:58:18 <DocScrutinizer> I'm wary re silicon oil, maybe it is a sovent to the silicon chip?
May 14 11:58:23 <DocScrutinizer> solvent even
May 14 11:58:38 <DocScrutinizer> like mineral oil is to plastics
May 14 11:58:42 <StyXman> solvent green!
May 14 11:59:09 <StyXman> sorry, it won't happen again...
May 14 11:59:17 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 14 12:00:19 <chem|st> most oils for textile machinery or suitable should do
May 14 12:03:04 <DocScrutinizer> nobody _needs_ wazapp
May 14 12:03:11 <chem|st> synthetic, oxidation stable, acid-free ~ "nähmaschinenöl"
May 14 12:03:22 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 14 12:03:31 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: nobody sane wants wazapp
May 14 12:03:56 <DocScrutinizer> I don't even want to recall what it actually _is_
May 14 12:03:59 <chem|st> nobody sane wants apple products without a "power" in its name
May 14 12:07:16 <chem|st> those 80% apple fanatics whom need apple products for confidence in/and their circle of friends are poor creatures, the 20% buying it for reasonable facts include 2% reliable and 18% just to do not know better...
May 14 12:07:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: Some people here can't afford credit for SMS
May 14 12:07:50 <MohammadAG> They use PAYG so don't have a data plan
May 14 12:08:12 <MohammadAG> And some of those have an S40 device
May 14 12:08:33 <chem|st> MohammadAG: some people need to realise that facebook-apps like birthday-calendar are things not replacing things but being additional garbadge so is whatsUp
May 14 12:09:00 <chem|st> MohammadAG: what is payg?
May 14 12:09:01 <MohammadAG> WhatsApp
May 14 12:09:09 <MohammadAG> Pay as you go
May 14 12:09:47 <MohammadAG> They use free wifi spots to use whatsapp
May 14 12:09:51 <chem|st> in terms of that you want something using even less bandwidth than whatsapp
May 14 12:10:10 <MohammadAG> They don't have data
May 14 12:10:31 <MohammadAG> And why not FBchat? MSN? Skype?
May 14 12:10:59 <chem|st> icq? or anyother BLINGBLING*shit
May 14 12:11:01 <chem|st> ?
May 14 12:11:03 <MohammadAG> FB chat is XMPP, there's no easy way to set it up and have it always running on a Symbian fevice
May 14 12:11:15 <MohammadAG> They all suck on Symbian
May 14 12:11:27 <MohammadAG> Skype sucks battery life
May 14 12:11:34 <chem|st> any jabber client will do
May 14 12:11:56 <chem|st> and don't tell there arent any good jabber clients for s40
May 14 12:11:58 <MohammadAG> Any jabber client sucks on Symbian chem|st 
May 14 12:12:11 <MohammadAG> On an N900 you argument is valid
May 14 12:12:14 <Termana> Symbian sucks
May 14 12:12:20 <Termana> End of story
May 14 12:12:25 <DocScrutinizer> well, does this relate to the fact Symbian sucks, by any chance?
May 14 12:12:26 <MohammadAG> That sums it up nicely
May 14 12:12:31 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: :-D
May 14 12:12:48 <chem|st> Termana: thanks for your enlightement... wanna bring hitler into play too?
May 14 12:13:07 <Termana> Don't be an angry nazi
May 14 12:13:14 <chem|st> thank you!
May 14 12:13:59 <MohammadAG> So anyway back on subject
May 14 12:14:22 <MohammadAG> Whatsapp is always connected when there's a connection
May 14 12:14:32 <MohammadAG> It always runs in the background
May 14 12:14:54 <DocScrutinizer> I guess this wazap thing is like skype or twitter: there are better concepts since ages, but the unwashed masses aren't aware and nobody and nothing will make them reconsider now
May 14 12:15:12 <chem|st> how about writing a good reliable jabber client for s40 instead of wazzup for Qt?
May 14 12:15:27 <MohammadAG> Better concepts? It is XMPP
May 14 12:15:36 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: +1
May 14 12:15:44 <MohammadAG> You could say whatsapp is the best XMPP client
May 14 12:15:53 <chem|st> MohammadAG: that is not the concept
May 14 12:16:12 <chem|st> does it support FB gmail i++?
May 14 12:16:17 <MohammadAG> That's locked to one server
May 14 12:17:13 <MohammadAG> Plus the concept of using phone numbers as usernames made it easier for people to connect
May 14 12:17:15 <chem|st> one client to serve them all, on my shitty old sony, on my beauty n900... and the successor...
May 14 12:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM
May 14 12:18:21 <chem|st> MohammadAG: oh nice... why not use real names and birthdates?
May 14 12:18:51 <MohammadAG> Cause theres a shitload of John Smiths around the world
May 14 12:19:59 <DocScrutinizer> there's also a shitload of companies around the world that pay really good for approved real phonenumbers they can spam with SMS and unsolicited phonecalls
May 14 12:20:06 <chem|st> MohammadAG: lol, I don't want any shitty software firm to know all my inner guts why should I want them to know my phonenumber?
May 14 12:20:24 <MohammadAG> Then don't use it
May 14 12:20:30 <DocScrutinizer> BWAHAHAHA
May 14 12:20:47 <chem|st> thought you might get it...
May 14 12:20:54 <DocScrutinizer> just like googles "does no evil" - right?
May 14 12:21:09 <MohammadAG> I'm forced to use it cause it's the only way to talk to certain people for me
May 14 12:21:28 <chem|st> MohammadAG: make them use other clients if they want to talk to you!
May 14 12:21:34 <LaoLang_coo_> any one could provide a vim73 for maemo?
May 14 12:21:36 <DocScrutinizer> well, for me those people aren't worth talking to
May 14 12:21:49 <chem|st> +1
May 14 12:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> just like those morons that send me .doc
May 14 12:21:59 <MohammadAG> There are no other clients on their platform
May 14 12:22:14 <DocScrutinizer> my fault?
May 14 12:22:35 <MohammadAG> No, but it's not mine or theirs
May 14 12:22:45 <chem|st> I know I cannot get any of those lazy basterds to hop on an IRC channel if not providing a "click here and you are in" solution, but a jabber client should be possible?
May 14 12:23:03 <chem|st> MohammadAG: speaking of s40 right?
May 14 12:23:12 <MohammadAG> That and S60
May 14 12:24:38 <chem|st> how about bombus?
May 14 12:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_coo_: what's vim73 ?
May 14 12:24:47 <MohammadAG> Basically whatsapp on s60 is like empathy on the n900
May 14 12:25:02 <MohammadAG> Telepathy even
May 14 12:25:09 <chem|st> I used that about 5 years ago and it was usable even on dumbphones
May 14 12:25:13 <ruskie> LaoLang_coo_, iirc vim is already available
May 14 12:25:21 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure what that is but I guarantee it:
May 14 12:25:31 <MohammadAG> OOM kills it
May 14 12:25:40 <MohammadAG> Doesn't auto start
May 14 12:25:47 <MohammadAG> Doesn't switch connections sanely
May 14 12:26:00 <chem|st> MohammadAG: then add up its GPLed
May 14 12:26:41 <LaoLang_coo_> DocScrutinizer, vim.org
May 14 12:26:51 <LaoLang_coo_> ruskie, yes, but it's version 72, not 73
May 14 12:26:52 <MohammadAG> And that means people can edit it
May 14 12:26:56 <ruskie> LaoLang_coo_, so?
May 14 12:26:56 <MohammadAG> Yet they don't
May 14 12:27:13 <LaoLang_coo_> 73 has some features interesting
May 14 12:27:17 <LaoLang_coo_> that 72 hasn't
May 14 12:27:52 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it amazing how this works every single time? provide some shitty service where losers can get something for "free", some morons happily use it and put pressure on all their peer groups to jump on the train as well
May 14 12:28:06 <ruskie> DocScrutinizer, only if you let it?
May 14 12:28:54 <Termana> Replace "service" with device and it starts to sound like the N950, N9 and the Maemo community.
May 14 12:29:04 <DocScrutinizer> I personally don't. I e.g. removed skype from all my boxes
May 14 12:29:14 <Termana> :p
May 14 12:29:26 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: indeed
May 14 12:29:33 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer, only for one year, apparently
May 14 12:30:06 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: "free"? sure, those basterds wanna make big money, that'S the whole purpose
May 14 12:30:14 <Hurrian> yeah.
May 14 12:30:16 <MohammadAG> Hurrian: Reregistering clears the timer I think
May 14 12:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: OOH? how so, if you're registering with you plain real phone number?
May 14 12:30:54 <Hurrian> i don't really get the point of whatsapp and bbm, you pay for it + mobile data
May 14 12:31:11 <chem|st> bbm?
May 14 12:31:22 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: The server doesn't keep track
May 14 12:31:28 <Hurrian> the thing that makes people buy blackberries and deal with the shit software
May 14 12:31:39 <MohammadAG> Which is stupid but...
May 14 12:31:39 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: haha again
May 14 12:33:44 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: they can change that any time, and they _will_, as soon as their user pool reached critical mass
May 14 12:34:00 <chem|st> ouch!
May 14 12:34:37 <Hurrian> one of two things happen: people who become so attached to it deal with the changes (see bookFace) or 2, mass user exodus
May 14 12:34:44 <Hurrian> (see myspace, etc)
May 14 12:34:53 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: It has reached critical mass already
May 14 12:35:09 <MohammadAG> They make money from the one time iOS paynent
May 14 12:35:16 <Hurrian> MohammadAG: depends what country you're in
May 14 12:35:20 <MohammadAG> Whatsapp costs 1.99 on the iPhone
May 14 12:35:28 <chem|st> my sister mentioned ' and if you don't pay after 12 month your abook is gone...' she ment just empty as you did not pay for whatsapp so it destroys your previously downloaded abook on your phone and only after you payed you get it back!
May 14 12:35:31 <MohammadAG> The app
May 14 12:35:56 <chem|st> MohammadAG: it hasn't
May 14 12:35:56 <MohammadAG> Abook?
May 14 12:35:59 <jaska> whatscrapp
May 14 12:36:02 <chem|st> addressbook
May 14 12:36:15 <MohammadAG> That's not true
May 14 12:36:23 <MohammadAG> Whatsapp only reads the abook
May 14 12:36:30 <chem|st> that was a selffullfilling promise
May 14 12:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> OOOH GREAT!
May 14 12:36:52 <MohammadAG> chem|st: Android right?
May 14 12:36:56 <DocScrutinizer> please delete my addr from all your devices - IMMEDIATELY!
May 14 12:37:23 <chem|st> MohammadAG: pls elaborate
May 14 12:37:58 <chem|st> I'm no android but you just talk like you became one
May 14 12:38:06 <MohammadAG> Huh
May 14 12:38:19 <MohammadAG> I'm talking about whatsapp not deleting contacts
May 14 12:38:20 <chem|st> what do you mean by 14:36 < MohammadAG> chem|st: Android right?
May 14 12:38:28 <MohammadAG> If it does it faces a lawsuit
May 14 12:38:49 <chem|st> it was a joke my sister did a few days ago when we talked about whatsapp
May 14 12:38:51 <MohammadAG> If it ever did its on android because of the borked sync system
May 14 12:39:32 <DocScrutinizer> well, just another spyware, just like facebook
May 14 12:39:45 <chem|st> nothin' to worrie but as you mention it iOS sync system is as reliable as a cat between feeding times
May 14 12:40:18 <MohammadAG> iOS doesn't sync
May 14 12:40:40 <DocScrutinizer> fsckng getting invitation SPAM as some moron uploaded his adrbook with my addr in it
May 14 12:40:40 <MohammadAG> Well, not with apps anyway
May 14 12:41:19 <chem|st> MohammadAG: why the hell does it read your addressbook? to automagically connect all people in it? I DO NOT WANT THAT
May 14 12:41:46 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: facebook does exactly that as well (iirc it was facebook)
May 14 12:41:47 <chem|st> MohammadAG: it doesn't exactly
May 14 12:42:19 <DocScrutinizer> and of course google
May 14 12:42:24 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: if you upload your addressbook yes! google+ does that aswell as soon as possible
May 14 12:42:24 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: did you eat my voting token? :D
May 14 12:42:32 <merlin1991> or when should they get sent out? :D
May 14 12:42:54 <MohammadAG> chem|st: It asks for permission you know
May 14 12:43:08 <MohammadAG> Wazapp for example doesn't auto sync
May 14 12:43:14 <chem|st> for every single entry?
May 14 12:43:16 <DocScrutinizer> we are about to check things: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12612#c10
May 14 12:43:18 <povbot> 04Bug 12612: Community Council election process isn't working at all
May 14 12:43:39 <MohammadAG> chem|st: No, for the abook
May 14 12:43:53 <chem|st> well without syncing what happens?
May 14 12:44:15 <chem|st> you enter numbers by hand?
May 14 12:44:20 <MohammadAG> You can receive messages and provably add contacts nanuallu
May 14 12:44:21 <MohammadAG> Y
May 14 12:45:04 <chem|st> but if my mother uploaded her abook she will be notified that I am on, right?
May 14 12:45:16 <DocScrutinizer> "may I help you to keep your addrbook safe? (see biglonglegalbullshit.com) [ ]yes, [ ]no, I don't mind you doing it, so go ahead"
May 14 12:45:20 <chem|st> or I will get a request at least
May 14 12:45:24 <MohammadAG> Not notified no, Viber does that
May 14 12:45:44 <MohammadAG> But if she clicks on your contact you'll be on
May 14 12:45:45 <chem|st> viber?
May 14 12:46:04 <MohammadAG> Yes, Viber notifies you about new contacts
May 14 12:46:06 <chem|st> ok there goes your best implementation
May 14 12:46:19 <MohammadAG> Viber is WhatsApp for voice
May 14 12:47:11 <DocScrutinizer> one big ripoff for morons - sorry, of course except those listening
May 14 12:47:11 <MohammadAG> Albeit less stable and keeps a copy of your abook with names on their servers
May 14 12:47:12 <chem|st> LOL
May 14 12:47:31 <chem|st> MohammadAG: you do know that there is no reason to have 2 programs for that?!
May 14 12:47:42 <MohammadAG> chem|st: Yes
May 14 12:47:57 <chem|st> strike 2
May 14 12:48:04 <chem|st> MohammadAG: please go ahead
May 14 12:48:04 <MohammadAG> And to maje it worse Viber uses a custom voice engine
May 14 12:48:20 <MohammadAG> Not modified VoIP
May 14 12:48:23 <teotwaki> wtf, that sentence didn't parse.
May 14 12:48:42 <MohammadAG> They use their own protocol
May 14 12:48:43 <chem|st> teotwaki: which?
May 14 12:48:52 <teotwaki> "to maje it worse"
May 14 12:48:56 <MohammadAG> Make
May 14 12:48:57 <teotwaki> oh, make
May 14 12:48:58 <chem|st> MohammadAG: to save live streams?
May 14 12:49:03 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: gotta love your comment re council on irc on the bugreport :D
May 14 12:49:10 <MohammadAG> They keep a record of phone calls
May 14 12:49:11 <DocScrutinizer> teotwaki: enable autocorrection!
May 14 12:49:30 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer: I write my documents using LaTeX, d'you really think I use autocorrect?
May 14 12:49:32 <chem|st> strike 3 you are OUT!
May 14 12:49:59 <chem|st> can we close the chapter "WhatsApp" now?
May 14 12:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> teotwaki: each human brain is using autocorrect all the time, on all channels
May 14 12:50:11 <DocScrutinizer> except yours ;-P
May 14 12:50:31 <teotwaki> Oh, and if anyone here still writes their documents with Word or OpenOffice, you need to stop. Right now. Grab LyX, or learn basic LaTeX. You'll thank me later.
May 14 12:50:32 <MohammadAG> There's also voxer for a PTT over Internet
May 14 12:51:11 <merlin1991> teotwaki:  LaTeX sounds dirty ;)
May 14 12:51:14 <DocScrutinizer> **VOTE!** http://bit.ly/JmchJM
May 14 12:51:20 <MohammadAG> I use echo "crap" > file teotwaki 
May 14 12:51:20 <chem|st> teotwaki: a word in proper length and starting and closing silb matching a "real-word"..."should" get corrected by your brains
May 14 12:52:19 <chem|st> teotwaki: I tex my CV ever since
May 14 12:52:19 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: you just wrote "crap teotwaki" to the `file` file.
May 14 12:52:24 <chem|st> even my CV
May 14 12:52:37 <MohammadAG> No
May 14 12:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 14 12:52:45 <teotwaki> MohammadAG: yes.
May 14 12:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 14 12:52:51 <chem|st> lol
May 14 12:53:03 <DocScrutinizer> ROTFL
May 14 12:53:22 <Termana> OMFGWTFBBQROTFLMFAO
May 14 12:53:31 * teotwaki kicks Termana
May 14 12:53:35 <teotwaki> long time no see, T.
May 14 12:53:43 <chem|st> I bet MohammadAG dropped on to console to test
May 14 12:53:47 <teotwaki> (fyi, it's crashanddie)
May 14 12:54:02 <MohammadAG> chem|st: I'm testing it in my head
May 14 12:54:12 <Termana> teotwaki, ahh, right.
May 14 12:54:23 <Termana> I was wondering weather I really knew you or not
May 14 12:54:24 <MohammadAG> To me it seems that I had to use echo crap > file << teotwaki 
May 14 12:54:24 <chem|st> teotwaki: why teh altered nick?
May 14 12:54:45 <teotwaki> dunno
May 14 12:54:47 <teotwaki> guess I got bored.
May 14 12:54:50 <teotwaki> of the old one.
May 14 12:54:51 <chem|st> hehe
May 14 12:55:03 <MohammadAG> Too much bad luck
May 14 12:55:06 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I guess that won't work at all
May 14 12:55:21 <MohammadAG> Then how does EOF work?
May 14 12:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> you mean here-documents
May 14 12:56:03 <teotwaki> <<HEREDOC
May 14 12:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> they work with commands using stdin
May 14 12:56:08 <teotwaki> content here
May 14 12:56:10 <teotwaki> HEREDOC
May 14 12:56:20 <teotwaki> for example:
May 14 12:56:23 <teotwaki> cat <<HEREDOC
May 14 12:56:32 <DocScrutinizer> NOT with echo though
May 14 12:56:35 <teotwaki> foobar
May 14 12:56:40 <teotwaki> HEREDOC
May 14 12:56:44 <MohammadAG> Oh right nvm
May 14 12:56:51 <MohammadAG> Anyway, you're all wrong
May 14 12:57:05 <chem|st> yes, and we are proud to be!
May 14 12:57:10 <DocScrutinizer> I'm BAD, never wrong ;-P
May 14 12:57:11 <MohammadAG> It would return I: command not found
May 14 12:57:28 <teotwaki> wtf?
May 14 12:57:42 <teotwaki> not it wouldn;t
May 14 12:57:54 <MohammadAG> Yes, it would
May 14 12:57:58 * merlin1991 is starting to get some serious brainfuck
May 14 12:58:11 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# echo foo >x bar
May 14 12:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# cat x
May 14 12:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> foo bar
May 14 12:58:15 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~#
May 14 12:58:19 <teotwaki> $ I foo
May 14 12:58:19 <teotwaki> foo
May 14 12:58:22 <chem|st> "you dirty useless basterd!" "hey... I'm not dirty!"
May 14 12:58:23 <MohammadAG> MohammadAG: I use echo "crap" > file teotwaki
May 14 12:58:42 <MohammadAG> Oh...
May 14 12:58:50 <teotwaki> $ I use echo "crap" > file teotwaki
May 14 12:58:50 <teotwaki> slau@khem-val /tmp $ cat file
May 14 12:58:50 <teotwaki> use echo crap teotwaki
May 14 12:59:11 <teotwaki> also, just before that I typed:
May 14 12:59:13 <teotwaki> $ function I {
May 14 12:59:13 <teotwaki> > echo $*
May 14 12:59:13 <teotwaki> > }
May 14 12:59:23 <MohammadAG> Lol
May 14 12:59:46 <teotwaki> brb, colleague needs help on bugtracker
May 14 13:00:25 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: don't mess with unix gurus ;-P
May 14 13:01:27 <chem|st> funny networkwall-outlet vlan request in another channel... "in room 666 we need to add up another socket to our vlan" socketNo dvl 666.1
May 14 13:01:54 <Termana> heh
May 14 13:02:19 <DocScrutinizer> >:-P
May 14 13:02:27 <chem|st> :)
May 14 13:03:52 <chem|st> so back to my audiobook problem... is there any non-python audioplayer reading m3u playlists than panucci?
May 14 13:05:11 * DocScrutinizer trows in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QmrbHE6w0 for teotwaki's colleagues
May 14 13:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> throws even
May 14 13:06:01 <chem|st> I do not want to use mediaplayer as I'd like to keep it A simple and B keep my car-playlist within th widget and not remember the chapter I was in everytime I switch
May 14 13:06:02 <teotwaki> haha
May 14 13:06:10 <teotwaki> I listened to that not later than last night, DocScrutinizer 
May 14 13:06:28 <teotwaki> Though, it sounded a lot better on my R3's, than the shitty work headphones
May 14 13:07:05 * teotwaki dives into fixing sprintf's again.
May 14 14:01:27 <DocScrutinizer> well, whole Zoot Allures is an example why gapless mp3 playback is mandatory
May 14 14:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> full album flac FTW
May 14 14:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> even better: just .iso, with cuelist
May 14 14:08:17 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, good at simple C?
May 14 14:08:31 <MohammadAG> return; returns the whole function, break; breaks a loop
May 14 14:08:48 <MohammadAG> suppose I have a loop for items in a list, and I don't want to process a certain item
May 14 14:08:56 <MohammadAG> how do I break from the loop for only that item?
May 14 14:09:03 <MohammadAG> C++*
May 14 14:09:16 <DocScrutinizer> continue
May 14 14:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 14 14:09:34 <MohammadAG> doesn't that continue the function?
May 14 14:10:48 <MohammadAG> ah ok, nvm
May 14 14:10:50 <MohammadAG> thanks DocScrutinizer 
May 14 14:11:03 <DocScrutinizer> continue breaks the current loop iteration, resumes with next iteration
May 14 14:11:23 <DocScrutinizer> break breaks the whole loop
May 14 14:30:45 <MohammadAG> what data type would be suitable for 80.6667?
May 14 14:30:47 <MohammadAG> float?
May 14 14:32:23 <DocScrutinizer> well, probably int still, keeping in mind you multiply each value by e.g 10.000 before adding/storing/subtracting from that var. And divide the var value by 10.000 before using it for e.g printout
May 14 14:33:26 <MohammadAG> that doesn't work in this case
May 14 14:33:31 <DocScrutinizer> if your var holds unit foo, than call the var microfoo and assume it holds units of 0.000001 foo
May 14 14:33:36 <MohammadAG> also why?
May 14 14:33:52 <MohammadAG> it's not a constant *1000, can be 20.1
May 14 14:34:04 <MohammadAG> the data is from a server
May 14 14:34:14 <DocScrutinizer> because using float is bad, prone to calculation errors, slow, bloats code...
May 14 14:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> in COBOL there's a thing like 77 foo PIC 999.999999
May 14 14:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> in C there's no such var type with implicit decimals afaik
May 14 14:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> I might be wrong
May 14 14:39:36 <jaska> fixed point?
May 14 14:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 14 14:43:40 <luke-jr> fixed point doesn't work if you need floating point
May 14 14:43:55 <luke-jr> but a single sample/example doesn't tell you whether you do or not
May 14 14:44:53 <luke-jr> although, 80.6667 does suggest 80 and 2/3, rounded to a fixed thousandth point
May 14 14:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 14 14:45:27 <jaska> cobols is probably bcd fixed point
May 14 14:45:51 <DocScrutinizer> jaska: in COBOL you can have all data types you want :-D
May 14 14:46:00 <jaska> never seen any real cobol :)
May 14 14:46:12 <DocScrutinizer> BCD, display, computational...
May 14 14:46:52 <DocScrutinizer> usual (unspecified) vars are BCD
May 14 14:47:09 <DocScrutinizer> with a very special sign handling
May 14 14:47:41 <DocScrutinizer> I only know as "Ueberloch", a term originating from punchcards
May 14 14:49:11 <DocScrutinizer> 9(4).9(2) DISP is using ASCII representation (without the decimal separator aka dot) in memory
May 14 14:49:57 <DocScrutinizer> there's another syntax that allows to include the dot
May 14 14:50:15 <DocScrutinizer> COMP is similar to C int
May 14 14:52:31 <DocScrutinizer> there's also scientific IIRC, which is basically C float
May 14 14:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> (<MohammadAG> it's not a constant *1000, can be 20.1) you need to parse the input, normalize it to the decimal separator
May 14 14:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> I just looked into scanf, but didn't find directly to the right format
May 14 14:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> basically you extend from "." e.g 4 chars to the right, filling with zeroes, like 20.1 -> 20.1000. Then remove dot. Done
May 14 14:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure there are stdlibs for that, possibly even in scanf
May 14 15:00:32 <MohammadAG> ../../sociality-mtf/src/albumpage.h:56: error: redefinition of 'class GridItemCreator'
May 14 15:00:32 <MohammadAG> ../../sociality-mtf/src/albumpage.h:57: error: previous definition of 'class GridItemCreator'
May 14 15:00:34 <MohammadAG> how the fuck
May 14 15:00:48 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I used float, well, qreal, it's a typedef to float
May 14 15:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> eeeeek
May 14 15:01:09 <MohammadAG> it's just for storage
May 14 15:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't matter
May 14 15:01:36 <MohammadAG> what about double?
May 14 15:01:46 <DocScrutinizer> you can't "only store" float, you always need to convert to and from float
May 14 15:02:10 <DocScrutinizer> and odds are you can't store 20.1 to float at all
May 14 15:02:21 <MohammadAG> anyway the compilation error above
May 14 15:02:23 <MohammadAG> why does it happen
May 14 15:02:38 <DocScrutinizer> it might turn out to become 20.0999999999999834
May 14 15:02:46 <MohammadAG> 56: class GridItemCreator : public MAbstractCellCreator<MWidgetController>
May 14 15:02:46 <MohammadAG> 57: {
May 14 15:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> (why) binary representation vs decimal representation
May 14 15:04:30 <DocScrutinizer> there are perfectly pretty values in decimal you simply can't store in a binary var
May 14 15:05:34 <DocScrutinizer> like you can't display 1/3 in decimal
May 14 15:07:26 <DocScrutinizer> that's btw the reason why you NEVER should test float ==
May 14 15:07:48 <MohammadAG> meh, it's because I hate #endif before the end of the .h file
May 14 15:08:45 <DocScrutinizer> float is *always* inaccurate
May 14 16:14:05 * DocScrutinizer hopes his Lenovo T500 will arrive before this shitty laptop fan finally stops working completely and CPU fries
May 14 16:27:55 <jean_brat> hello fellas
May 14 16:28:01 <jean_brat> hi DocScrutinizer 
May 14 16:34:28 <DocScrutinizer> hi jean_brat 
May 14 16:37:19 <jean_brat> hi DocScrutinizer 
May 14 16:37:54 <DocScrutinizer> [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:48:23] <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: it's absolutely madatory to take care about cdc_phonet kernel module on your PC
May 14 16:37:56 <DocScrutinizer> [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:48:43] <DocScrutinizer> do "lsmod|grep phonet"
May 14 16:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:48:56] <DocScrutinizer> if that shows anything, you're in trouble
May 14 16:37:59 <DocScrutinizer> [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:50:28] <DocScrutinizer> when best part of ~flashing been written, there's been no cdc_phonet kernel module by default on most distros
May 14 16:38:00 <DocScrutinizer> [Fr 11. Mai 2012] [17:50:40] <DocScrutinizer> nowadays it's ubiquitary
May 14 16:38:35 <jean_brat> it shows nothing
May 14 16:39:03 <jean_brat> i black listed as suggested earlier and rebooted the machine before i started anything
May 14 16:39:18 <jean_brat> since its a 64bit machine
May 14 16:42:02 <DocScrutinizer> humm, maybe you should boot a 32it system. There's a plethora of live-CDs with linux
May 14 16:43:21 <jean_brat> why i am curious is i am not getting any errors
May 14 16:44:03 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, flasher seems rather unhelpful regarding proper diagnostic output
May 14 16:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> esp for flashing of eMMC
May 14 16:46:28 <jean_brat> there are some GUI wrapper on these flashers for windows
May 14 16:46:39 <jean_brat> have you tried them?
May 14 16:54:23 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 14 16:54:36 <DocScrutinizer> I don't have any windows machine here
May 14 17:09:56 <MohammadAG> yeah, DocScrutinizer opens his windows manually
May 14 17:25:20 <jean_brat> hi DocScrutinizer 
May 14 17:25:38 <jean_brat> just to narrow down all the possibility
May 14 17:27:22 <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: evidently your N900 boots, as you see the jumping dots. This means kernel and basic linux system are OK
May 14 17:29:25 <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: if the first boot process results in machine magically shutting down unnoticed, I'd not know for sure what would cause this. Given you flashed eMMC so /home and /opt are existing and empty, and you haven't plugged in any USB during first boot
May 14 17:29:36 <jean_brat> if the image file is not properly downloaded, will the excutable will still try to load the image without some kinda crc check or something?
May 14 17:29:37 <jean_brat> if the image file is not properly downloaded, will the excutable will still try to load the image without some kinda crc check or something?
May 14 17:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 14 17:29:59 <DocScrutinizer> at least for eMMC afaik
May 14 17:31:27 <MohammadAG> Community SSU meeting in #maemo-ssu in 30 minutes
May 14 17:31:30 <DocScrutinizer> re-download your eMMC (and fiasco?) files, and do a md5sum, compare that to... I guess there are md5sums at Nokia's download site
May 14 17:31:38 <DocScrutinizer> YAY
May 14 17:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> dammit
May 14 17:32:07 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: thanks for reminder
May 14 17:33:15 <jean_brat> ok
May 14 17:34:49 <MohammadAG> you're welcome :p
May 14 17:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> jean_brat: make sure you always use versions tagged 'latest' in right col
May 14 17:37:02 <jean_brat> yes i did the latest one.. am downloading em again
May 14 17:37:12 <jean_brat> DocScrutinizer, how to check the checksome?
May 14 17:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> md5sum <yourfile>
May 14 17:39:27 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> md5sum /home/jr/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/images/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
May 14 17:39:29 <DocScrutinizer> 488809ff96a0a05479d692e9f77aeb4f  /home/jr/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/images/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
May 14 17:39:58 <merlin1991>  even easier
May 14 17:40:01 <DocScrutinizer> N.B. this might be no correct md5sum in this paste
May 14 17:40:04 <merlin1991> dl the md5sum sfile to the same dir
May 14 17:40:06 <merlin1991> and run
May 14 17:40:11 <merlin1991> md5sum -c SUMFILE 
May 14 17:40:11 <merlin1991> :D
May 14 17:57:23 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: how's about your rant now?
May 14 17:57:34 <DocScrutinizer> err, trolling you called it
May 14 17:57:55 <DocScrutinizer> Community SSU meeting in #maemo-ssu *NOW*
May 14 19:09:02 <pablocastellanos> konelix: greetings 
May 14 22:44:11 <teotwaki_> I don't remember who helped me out here, regarding a connect() issue on UDP connected sockets, but regarding that, I've filed a bug against the Linux man pages: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43249
May 14 22:44:13 <povbot> 04Bug 43249: was not found.
May 14 22:44:17 <teotwaki_> shut up povbot 
May 14 22:52:52 <DocScrutinizer> *burp*
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