**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 29 02:59:58 2012
May 29 03:17:33 <ShadowJK> RC-Helis are mostly interested in power/gram :)
May 29 03:18:03 <ShadowJK> and they don't mind the low cycle life of LiPo :P
May 29 03:27:08 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, I tried to murder myself with a LiPo the other day.
May 29 03:27:38 <GeneralAntilles> Future note to people who like their thighs: Don't put LiPos with Micro Deans in the same pocket with your car keys.
May 29 03:27:43 <GeneralAntilles> It's a Bad Combination.
May 29 03:29:24 <ShadowJK> yes :)
May 29 03:30:05 <Hurrian> GeneralAntilles, shorted and caught fire?
May 29 03:30:12 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah. . . .
May 29 03:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> Was digging around in the passenger seat when I thought "Man, this sun is much hotter than I remember. My leg is burning up."
May 29 03:30:47 <GeneralAntilles> Then I realized what it was and furiously started throwing things out of my pocket.
May 29 03:30:58 <GeneralAntilles> Thankfully the shorted battery was the first out.
May 29 03:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> Started spewing boiling electrolyte across the grass.
May 29 03:34:39 <Hurrian> :o
May 29 03:34:59 <GeneralAntilles> Should've taken a picture of the burnt crisp the battery ended up as
May 29 03:35:06 <GeneralAntilles> was too rattled by it at the time, though.
May 29 05:59:08 <freemangordon> Estel_, ping
May 29 07:55:44 <juozapas> can u recommend some program for gps tracking in offline mode ? with google maps or osm
May 29 08:00:49 <StyXman> juozapas: marble
May 29 08:01:09 <StyXman> you can use offline osm tiles
May 29 08:03:16 <Jaffa> Estel_: Contributors send information via Twitter; but anyone can highlight a link to a contributor or editor (e.g. timsamoff, GeneralAntilles1, fiferboy, me, ...)
May 29 08:08:15 <vi_> juozapas: do you want tracking or mapping?
May 29 08:08:49 <freemangordon> Estel_, the new requirement for CA does not make sense, most of the candidates have their TMO accont linked to their maemo.org account ;)
May 29 08:08:55 <freemangordon> if not all
May 29 08:09:01 <juozapas> vi_: tracking, routing
May 29 08:11:03 <StyXman> juozapas: well, routing in marble is abit flaky
May 29 08:11:37 <StyXman> I mostly use it as a 'follow me' digital map
May 29 08:12:26 <juozapas> StyXman: do you know something better ?
May 29 08:13:28 <juozapas> actually routing is the most important for  me 
May 29 08:13:33 <juozapas> in offline mode
May 29 08:14:43 <StyXman> juozapas: I hadn't tried others
May 29 08:15:10 <DocScrutinizer51> afaik only marble
May 29 08:15:22 <DocScrutinizer51> comes with monav
May 29 08:16:48 <DocScrutinizer51> I dunno how it's flaky
May 29 08:17:16 <DocScrutinizer51> proper setup maybe is a bit problematic
May 29 08:17:30 <StyXman> DocScrutinizer51: sometimes it doesn't find a route, specially between countries
May 29 08:17:41 <DocScrutinizer51> err, yeah
May 29 08:18:08 <StyXman> even when I downloaded both countries' data
May 29 08:18:20 <DocScrutinizer51> international routing is immanently more complex than national
May 29 08:18:52 <DocScrutinizer51> monav is using database of routes AFAIK
May 29 08:19:02 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously that database has borders
May 29 08:19:28 <DocScrutinizer51> workaround: set a route to point where you plan to cross border
May 29 08:19:40 <DocScrutinizer51> then route on from there
May 29 08:21:06 <Jaffa> freemangordon: That was the point I was trying to make in my email
May 29 08:21:36 <DocScrutinizer51> moo Jaffa
May 29 08:22:28 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer51: baa
May 29 08:22:37 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
May 29 08:23:18 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders a auto-replace for outbound posts moo->good morning
May 29 08:23:43 <chem|st> o/
May 29 08:24:07 <DocScrutinizer51> first faintly useful usecase I come up with, for this irc client feature
May 29 08:24:17 <DocScrutinizer51> good morning chem|st
May 29 08:24:28 <chem|st> morning
May 29 08:24:38 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh no, not really. I also got this since ages:
May 29 08:24:39 <chem|st> if it is good will depend...
May 29 08:24:47 <DocScrutinizer51> ooops
May 29 08:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430   ☕ 
May 29 08:24:57 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: my sister got an n900 finally
May 29 08:25:36 <chem|st> will be some work tonight... she found some remains^^ installed ssh some other shit and KP...
May 29 08:25:37 <DocScrutinizer51> how did you manage that?
May 29 08:26:05 <DocScrutinizer51> eeeeek KP, sounds like an OCer's device
May 29 08:26:24 <chem|st> I got her from windows to linux as she is interessted, she went slackware and I said "have fun" ;)
May 29 08:27:00 <chem|st> now I got her with debian testing and 2 weeks ago she had a hands-on with my n900 and went crazy
May 29 08:27:16 <chem|st> no she installed KP
May 29 08:27:22 <DocScrutinizer51> aaah
May 29 08:28:00 <chem|st> first thing we did yesterday was "uninstalling KP"
May 29 08:28:24 <chem|st> some things are still set even after factory reset and osso-notes wont start
May 29 08:28:52 <chem|st> so I said for a clean start she should flash the thing for good
May 29 08:28:55 <DocScrutinizer51> faqctory reset is quite questionable
May 29 08:29:23 <chem|st> it is, tried it once as I made a mess, but settings I messed up did not get set back
May 29 08:29:39 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah, sure
May 29 08:29:50 <DocScrutinizer51> some are not stored in $HOME
May 29 08:30:34 <DocScrutinizer51> basically fucktory-reset can only reset the things they took into account when creating the script
May 29 08:30:45 <chem|st> well getting a used device means flashing first
May 29 08:30:52 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
May 29 08:30:56 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously
May 29 08:43:47 <freemangordon> Jaffa, yes, I know
May 29 08:44:58 <teotwaki> Jaffa & freemangordon: Less and less of the CA rules are making sense.
May 29 08:46:57 <teotwaki> Basically, this is looking almost as bad the best satire from The Club of the Merry and the Resourceful.
May 29 08:49:56 <klea> hi... i got a used n900 and discovered that has a very low wifi reception. 2m from the access point and get 15% signal quality. any ideas?
May 29 08:50:30 <klea> ... link quality
May 29 08:51:14 <chem|st> klea: what router brand and which nettype?
May 29 08:52:03 <chem|st> don't know if it still applies but some router's powersaving setups make that even worse
May 29 08:54:34 <klea> i tried it with 2 different routers that otherwise work fine. i also cant even detect many wireless nets that other devices find. i m quite sure its a n900 problem and i m afraid its a hardware one
May 29 08:56:15 <klea> both g networks. siemens and thomson routers.
May 29 08:56:45 <Hurrian> tried it with any other devices?
May 29 08:57:46 <klea> it cant even see the nets that other devices easily find and connect to.
May 29 08:58:31 <klea> could it be an antenna problem?
May 29 08:59:54 <Hurrian> yeah, the antenna could be dislodged or something
May 29 09:00:05 <Hurrian> did you drop it pretty hard?
May 29 09:00:13 <Hurrian> the antenna assembly is screwed on
May 29 09:01:28 <klea> i got it used so imagine...
May 29 09:02:59 <klea> is there something i could try? i cant find anybody in the forums with a similar problem....
May 29 09:08:28 <MrPingu> Morning
May 29 09:16:02 <DocScrutinizer51> klea: make sure you are using a free channel not interfering with neighbour's AP
May 29 09:16:43 <DocScrutinizer51> klea: signal *quality* - think about it! Use wifi eye
May 29 09:19:33 <MrPingu> I am lucky here, neighbour left uses channel 1 on the other side they use channel 11 :)
May 29 09:21:27 <chem|st> Estel_: most people applying for "community awards" show as bare "I have never seen" and "they ported/patch stuff" thought the idea of community awards was to honor people not getting devices cause they do not code much but are contributing to the community in other important ways?!
May 29 09:23:54 <DocScrutinizer51> the whole CA idea is very bewildering
May 29 09:24:12 <chem|st> klea: how about cleaning the wifi antenna connectors? they are spring-connectors
May 29 09:24:26 <DocScrutinizer51> based on the initial statement I should apply for a N9 ;-P
May 29 09:24:40 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: sure!
May 29 09:25:17 <DocScrutinizer51> well, it would allow me to rape one, and destroy it to make highres scans of interior
May 29 09:25:17 <teotwaki> Looking at how many people have applied, and for what stupid reasons, DocScrutinizer, we probably ought to.
May 29 09:25:22 <chem|st> but only non-developers or dvelopers without device yet AND contributing to the community in another way than bare coding should get devices
May 29 09:25:31 <teotwaki> DocScrutinizer: but then again, I wouldn't want to be put in the same bag as those tossers.
May 29 09:25:40 <DocScrutinizer51> indeed
May 29 09:26:53 <DocScrutinizer51> chem|st: AIUI CA is a gift, while my devices are all loaners (except those I payed for, and the hooker800 gift)
May 29 09:27:14 <chem|st> AIUI?
May 29 09:27:21 <DocScrutinizer51> ~wtf aiui
May 29 09:27:24 <infobot> AIUI: as I understand it 
May 29 09:27:51 <chem|st> well they should just make those loaners become gifts then too
May 29 09:28:06 <chem|st> those 100devices are all gifts...
May 29 09:28:15 <chem|st> yes
May 29 09:29:50 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer, you didn't get the N950 for devs from Nokia?
May 29 09:30:01 <DocScrutinizer51> sure I did
May 29 09:30:38 <DocScrutinizer51> CA announcement explicitly states those who got a N950 can apply for N9 
May 29 09:30:46 <chem|st> yes I know
May 29 09:30:51 <Hurrian> nah, I meant the "loaner" part
May 29 09:31:17 <Hurrian> didn't they give them away (of course, you can't sell them)
May 29 09:31:23 <DocScrutinizer51> Hurrian: all N950 are loaners so far
May 29 09:31:29 <Hurrian> ah
May 29 09:32:02 <Hurrian> "not-for-resale, property of nokia" stamped on it?
May 29 09:32:08 <DocScrutinizer51> I mustn't even lose it, otherwise pay at least 500EUR penalty
May 29 09:32:33 <fastlane`> if you lost it you will have to pay :o
May 29 09:32:35 <fastlane`> thats bad
May 29 09:32:57 <DocScrutinizer51> that's the deal with NDA loaner prototypes
May 29 09:33:03 <Hurrian> :o
May 29 09:33:30 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer, do you have the silver one or the black one?
May 29 09:33:35 <DocScrutinizer51> some funny superjerks even suggested the NDA itself was under NDA
May 29 09:33:35 <fastlane`> so it means if i had it, i wud never take it out of the house, since my neighbourhood has this cell phone snatching stuff going on a lot
May 29 09:33:37 <DocScrutinizer51> ;-P
May 29 09:34:24 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer51, I could see that getting a "Yo dawg" joke
May 29 09:34:38 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
May 29 09:35:06 <Hurrian> was it a silver or black one?
May 29 09:35:20 <DocScrutinizer51> the n950? black
May 29 09:35:22 <Hurrian> ah
May 29 09:35:43 <DocScrutinizer51> didn't know there were any silver ones
May 29 09:35:46 <Hurrian> some people apparently have silver ones, similar to the "N9" leaks and the Jessie's girl ad
May 29 09:36:34 <Hurrian> wonder if nokia's going to ever bother to ask for all of them and chuck them into the disintegrator
May 29 09:36:47 <DocScrutinizer51> prolly not
May 29 09:36:53 <DocScrutinizer51> too expensive ;-P
May 29 09:37:27 <DocScrutinizer51> they may instruct any n950 owner to send device on to next devel though
May 29 09:37:37 <Hurrian> ah
May 29 09:37:38 <DocScrutinizer51> iirc
May 29 09:38:09 <Hurrian> they are pretty similar on the inside though, right?
May 29 09:38:19 <Hurrian> (to the N9)
May 29 09:38:51 <DocScrutinizer51> rather
May 29 09:39:17 <DocScrutinizer51> otherwise their purpose of being a developer device for HARM would be defeated
May 29 09:39:48 <DocScrutinizer51> there shipped a diff list with some firmware version for n950 HARM
May 29 09:40:00 <Hurrian> ah
May 29 09:40:00 <vi_> ~iirc
May 29 09:40:02 <infobot> [iirc] "if I recall correctly"
May 29 09:50:16 <klea> DocScrutinizer51 im next to the router and  iwconfig gives me Power Management:on
May 29 09:50:16 <klea>           Link Quality=40/100  Signal level:-69 dBm  Noise level=-96 dBm
May 29 09:50:52 <DocScrutinizer51> looks all ok'ish to me
May 29 09:51:06 <DocScrutinizer51> just like interference
May 29 09:51:47 <DocScrutinizer51> signal level anyway is not that bad with -69dBm
May 29 09:51:55 <DocScrutinizer51> so no broken antenna
May 29 09:52:01 <klea> chemist. thats a good idea. though i have never opened a n900 yet :)
May 29 09:52:15 <DocScrutinizer51> don't do it
May 29 09:52:30 <DocScrutinizer51> there are no user serviceable parts inside
May 29 09:52:41 <DocScrutinizer51> esp in your case
May 29 09:54:05 <DocScrutinizer51> klea: by any means test with another AP
May 29 09:54:18 <teotwaki> or simply a laptop running as an AP
May 29 09:54:18 <DocScrutinizer51> set PSM to min on N900
May 29 09:54:22 <teotwaki> to see if you're getting any kind of traffic
May 29 09:55:07 <teotwaki> or PSM off completely, for the test, though I haven't heard of anyone who couldn't _connect_ due to PSM, only people who couldn't _remain_ connected.
May 29 09:55:53 <DocScrutinizer51> yep, though min=off
May 29 09:57:22 <DocScrutinizer51> WTF my t900 doesn't know about chan13 :-S
May 29 09:58:11 <DocScrutinizer51> switched AP to chan13, IroN900 not even lost connection, T900 doesn't see AP anymore
May 29 09:58:37 * DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders what region setting T900 came with
May 29 10:00:43 <vi_> DocScrutinizer51: you need to change region to Japan
May 29 10:00:52 <vi_> iw reg set JP
May 29 10:01:35 <DocScrutinizer51> N9:connected, N950:connected, N810:connected ;-P, just T900:doesn't_see_AP
May 29 10:02:10 <vi_> DocScrutinizer51: my one is _slow_ to see channel 13.  It rarely shows up on the first scan
May 29 10:02:14 <vi_> NFC why.
May 29 10:03:45 <vi_> However if I send the dbus ICD 'connect' commanbd it finds it strait way mostly.
May 29 10:05:05 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm
May 29 10:05:42 <DocScrutinizer51> the PITA: now I can't ssh in to T900, to do *anything* :-P
May 29 10:06:38 <chem|st> teotwaki: yeah loosing connections or crappy rates
May 29 10:07:31 <chem|st> I don't mind having 8Mbit at home and keep it on, with the vanilla firmware it has been reported to loose connection ddwrt did it for me
May 29 10:07:37 <teotwaki> losing
May 29 10:07:46 <teotwaki> The antenna might be loose though :)
May 29 10:08:27 <DocScrutinizer51> no way
May 29 10:08:35 <chem|st> not into english yet, seems to be a coffee issue^^
May 29 10:08:50 <DocScrutinizer51> -69dBm looks not like poor signal strength caused by broken antenna
May 29 10:08:54 <teotwaki> holy crap
May 29 10:08:58 <teotwaki> $4rah{#}c*n'%+-/=?^@gmail.com is a valid email address.
May 29 10:09:20 <chem|st> sarah who?
May 29 10:09:34 <DocScrutinizer51> ??
May 29 10:09:45 <Hurrian> teotwaki, according to which parser?
May 29 10:09:49 <teotwaki> yet, $4rah{#}c*n'%+-/=?^.@gmail.com is not valid.
May 29 10:09:55 <teotwaki> Hurrian: according to the RFC.
May 29 10:09:56 <DocScrutinizer51> I thought I don't have any /ignores on this client yet
May 29 10:10:35 <DocScrutinizer51> errrr?
May 29 10:10:44 <DocScrutinizer51> ending with dot not allowed?
May 29 10:10:46 <teotwaki> nope
May 29 10:10:53 <teotwaki> neither is foo..bar@gmail.com
May 29 10:10:54 <DocScrutinizer51> o.O
May 29 10:10:57 <teotwaki> or .foobar@
May 29 10:11:03 <DocScrutinizer51> mhm
May 29 10:11:06 <teotwaki> but f.o.o.b.a.r@ is allowed
May 29 10:11:19 <DocScrutinizer51> ohwell, uppercase not allowed as well
May 29 10:11:31 <teotwaki> actually, it is.
May 29 10:11:40 <DocScrutinizer51> nope, not afaik
May 29 10:11:52 <teotwaki> Uppercase and lowercase English letters (a–z, A–Z) (ASCII: 65-90, 97-122)
May 29 10:12:39 <DocScrutinizer51> this must have changed since I last checked
May 29 10:13:02 <teotwaki> this is also a valid email address: "()<>[]:,;@\\\"!#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|\ \ ~\ \ \ ?\ \ \ ^_`{}|~.a"@example.org or "very.(),:;<>[]\".VERY.\"very@\\\ \"very\".unusual"@strange.example.com 
May 29 10:14:18 <DocScrutinizer51> what's all that escaping?
May 29 10:14:43 <chem|st> teotwaki: as you just read stuff for gmail, is it possible to make an autoresponse like "address not available" for a single sender?
May 29 10:15:40 <teotwaki> no idea
May 29 10:16:31 <teotwaki> actually
May 29 10:16:37 <teotwaki> You probably can with cannedreps
May 29 10:16:47 <teotwaki> chem|st: do you know "Canned Responses"?
May 29 10:17:06 <teotwaki> chem|st: gmail plugin, which enables you to write templates for specific replies, you can activate it with filters.
May 29 10:17:26 <teotwaki> chem|st: http://maketecheasier.com/auto-reply-email-messages-using-gmail-canned-responses/2010/06/20
May 29 10:23:04 <chem|st> ty just found it myself
May 29 10:23:39 <Pali> freemangordon, seems that battery temperature is on madc channel 0 (not 1), see file Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf on internet
May 29 10:24:00 <Pali> I will write all info to one place/textfile/mail
May 29 10:35:13 <DocScrutinizer51> make what cheesier ?
May 29 10:35:32 <DocScrutinizer51> ;-D
May 29 10:38:26 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: might be a pragma origin issue
May 29 10:38:47 <DocScrutinizer51> ADCIN1 might be on channel 0
May 29 10:39:03 <DocScrutinizer51> or ADCIN0 might be on first channel = 1
May 29 10:39:52 <Pali> DocScrutinizer51, I mean ADCIN0 istead ADCIN1
May 29 10:39:58 <Pali> see http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/include/linux/i2c/twl4030-madc.h
May 29 10:41:03 <Pali> in kernel is also ADCIN0 and ADCIN1
May 29 10:41:21 <Pali> but BTEMP is in kernel defined to ADCIN1
May 29 10:41:27 <DocScrutinizer51> 101 #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP              TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1
May 29 10:41:35 <Pali> but in that nokia pdf is BTEM ADCIN0
May 29 10:41:56 <Pali> see page 4 of Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf
May 29 10:42:25 <DocScrutinizer51> I know the schematics, I always referred to them when suggesting which ADC for bettemp
May 29 10:42:28 <Pali> there is also comment "battery temperature sensor"
May 29 10:42:30 <DocScrutinizer51> bat temp*
May 29 10:42:35 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
May 29 10:42:45 <DocScrutinizer51> and iirc a 10kR NTC
May 29 10:43:10 <Pali> but what is correct? kernel code or that pdf?
May 29 10:43:22 <DocScrutinizer51> you'll have to test it :-)
May 29 10:43:24 <Pali> both of course not :D
May 29 10:44:07 <DocScrutinizer51> is
May 29 10:44:15 <DocScrutinizer51> 83 #define TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN0             (1<<0)
May 29 10:44:16 <DocScrutinizer51> 84 #define TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1             (1<<1)
May 29 10:44:20 <DocScrutinizer51> correct?
May 29 10:44:35 <DocScrutinizer51> I'd guess so
May 29 10:44:40 <Pali> could be
May 29 10:45:32 <DocScrutinizer51> DUH WHAT? we got VBUS on ADC?
May 29 10:45:35 <DocScrutinizer51> coool
May 29 10:46:15 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: could you expose those ADC via sysfs in a "human readable form" in KP?
May 29 10:47:06 <Pali> in 3.x kernel there is hwmon driver for that
May 29 10:47:21 <Pali> I will look if it is compatible with KP and copy it
May 29 10:50:42 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: anyway you could check what pin H4 is named like and description in twl4030 UM
May 29 10:50:46 <Pali> DocScrutinizer51, what do you will do with VBUS from ADC?
May 29 10:51:10 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: do *decent* fastcharger detection
May 29 10:51:29 <DocScrutinizer51> increase charge current from USB while monitoring voltage
May 29 10:51:29 <Pali> ADCIN4 is BSI
May 29 10:51:57 <DocScrutinizer51> (hwmon) \o/ many thanks
May 29 10:52:25 <Pali> ADCIN12 is battery level
May 29 10:52:42 <Pali> (taken from armel binary bsi-read)
May 29 10:52:51 <DocScrutinizer51> ACIIN2 is about headset iirc
May 29 10:53:15 <DocScrutinizer51> confirm ADCIN4=BSI, from schem
May 29 10:56:38 <DocScrutinizer51> ADCIN2=mic_hs aka hold-button
May 29 10:58:01 <Pali> ADCIN2 is always 1023 on my N900
May 29 10:58:38 <Pali> ADCIN2 is 4-6 when I connected my headset
May 29 10:58:41 <DocScrutinizer51> (fastcharge) step up charging current from USB until a sudden drop in voltage, then go back to charging current = 0 and step up til last 'good' step
May 29 10:59:47 <DocScrutinizer51> (headset) with an original headset you should see pressing of headset button on ADCIN2
May 29 10:59:59 <Pali> ADCIN2 is 3 when I pressed headset button
May 29 11:00:42 <DocScrutinizer51> well, connecting headset doesn't mean your mic always got powered already
May 29 11:01:48 <DocScrutinizer51> test it while call established
May 29 11:03:10 <DocScrutinizer51> btw this is even the right path to implement driver for multibutton headset
May 29 11:04:06 <trx> thats interesting
May 29 11:04:37 <DocScrutinizer51> we "just" need to sample values from ADCIN2 with > maybe 30ksamples/s
May 29 11:04:56 <DocScrutinizer51> the convert to serial decoding alias soft UART
May 29 11:05:07 <DocScrutinizer51> and switch output voltage to send
May 29 11:05:46 <DocScrutinizer51> it's a one-wire bidir serial async transmission
May 29 11:06:35 <DocScrutinizer51> somebody did decent scope pictures, maybe it's been ShadowJK or jacekowski or dunno who
May 29 11:24:45 <anidel> hi
May 29 11:27:18 <chem|st> anidel: hey
May 29 11:27:48 <chem|st> long time no see
May 29 11:57:59 <anidel> hey chem|st, yup...sorry I was out for lunch
May 29 12:23:09 <chem|st> anidel: no worries, any future plans for xournal? like a google docs or even drive plugin?
May 29 12:23:41 <anidel> I'm working on it to port it to Harmattan, it's a big rewrite and less time than before though :(
May 29 12:30:36 <cehteh> grmpf ... device doesnt boot anymore, not even bootmenu
May 29 12:31:30 * Gh0sty gives cehteh the hammer
May 29 12:31:51 <cehteh> Estel_: you are sure your freswap deinstalls cleanly? .. i didnt tried much else past time
May 29 12:32:51 <chem|st> cehteh: charging?
May 29 12:33:05 <chem|st> sry, does it charge when off?
May 29 12:33:30 <cehteh> thats the old bug .. it doesnt boot connected or unconncected
May 29 12:33:41 <cehteh> screen stays black and blank but lit
May 29 12:33:56 <cehteh> kernel seems to come up but userland hangs very early
May 29 12:34:42 <chem|st> eik
May 29 12:34:51 <chem|st> sounds like flashing to me
May 29 12:35:01 <cehteh> backupmenu barfs with /usr/sbin/evkey not found
May 29 12:39:35 <chem|st> anidel: yeah read about that, a rewrite 'again' didn't you already rewrite a lot of your code back on porting to fremantle?
May 29 12:55:37 <cehteh> is RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the latest? (dont want to peel my battery out to send my imei to nokia)
May 29 12:57:59 <Hurrian> yeah
May 29 12:58:38 <cehteh> thanks
May 29 13:13:46 <anidel> chem|st yep, but that was the UI, not it's more complicated. For Qt would be better to have a C++ version of Xournal. Luckily there's Xournal++ but I've got to understand it again and see if it is stable aenough
May 29 13:14:28 <Sicelo> cehteh: i 'solved' the evkey thing by making a link to /usr/bin/evkey
May 29 13:15:27 <Sicelo> reflash if you really need to. if you wan't to try other thingsp i recommend NIN101's RescueOs .. very handy
May 29 13:46:02 <dafox> does anyone if there (currently) exists a (global) audio-equalizer for the n900? I searched and all I could come up with was a seemingly outdated gst renderer plugin. I would like something which can adjust the global volume so that it works for applications other than my mediaplayer too (e.g. phone, games, etc).
May 29 13:50:25 <cehteh> waa .. backupmenu is broken!! *DANGER* :D ... 
May 29 13:51:54 <cehteh> can anyone please issue dpkg -S /usr/sbin/evkey and tell me the result
May 29 13:53:31 <peetah> cehteh: copy usr/bin/evkey to usr/sbin
May 29 13:53:36 <peetah> it's a known issue
May 29 13:53:41 <Neutron_> how does the process of switching between 2G and 3G networks work? is there any way to tweak some settings to make the device switch over faster when it loses its HSDPA signal and falls back to EDGE?
May 29 13:53:49 <vi_> cehteh: symlink /usr/bin/evkey to /usr/sbin/evkey
May 29 13:53:55 <Neutron_> such as by keeping both radios active at the same time or something along those lines
May 29 13:53:56 <cehteh> peetah: great .. that killed my device :P 
May 29 13:54:09 <cehteh> i mean the bug .. i flashed now
May 29 13:54:24 <vi_> Neutron_: no, it is a closed source nokia thing.
May 29 13:54:46 <Neutron_> vi_: hmm I see. would that be some "radio firmware image" then?
May 29 13:54:56 <vi_> CMT to be precise.
May 29 13:56:20 <chem|st> anidel: ah UI that was
May 29 13:56:41 <chem|st> then good luck with your aged ++ code
May 29 14:43:03 <LaoLang_cool> How to set the foreground/background color of xterm?
May 29 14:44:24 <Sicelo> hit the 'application bar' on top, choose Font
May 29 14:45:13 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo, thank you!
May 29 14:50:53 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo, can I set it in a config file?
May 29 14:51:05 <LaoLang_cool> I have a color code
May 29 14:51:53 <Sicelo> gconftool-2 then
May 29 15:01:41 <chem|st> LaoLang_cool: gconftool-2 -s --type=string /apps/osso/xterm/background=#00000
May 29 15:03:18 <chem|st> #000000 of course
May 29 15:05:09 <LaoLang_cool> chem|st, wow, thank you!
May 29 15:11:30 <LaoLang_cool> chem|st, it warns: No value to set for key: `/apps/osso/xterm/background=#DDDDAA'
May 29 15:17:46 <Pali> I builded new version of bootmenu which should fix evkey problem
May 29 15:17:50 <Pali> see thread on TMO
May 29 15:18:06 <Pali> report if problems was solved
May 29 15:19:59 <LaoLang_cool> time to sleep, good night!
May 29 15:20:24 <chem|st> no "=" sry
May 29 15:20:30 <chem|st> erhm
May 29 15:20:32 <chem|st> ...
May 29 15:20:56 <X-Fade> I wonder who thought it was a good idea to have people mail to a public mailinglist to get a free device :P
May 29 15:22:13 <vi_> So...
May 29 15:22:16 <vi_> much...
May 29 15:22:18 <vi_> spam...
May 29 15:22:21 <teotwaki> X-Fade: it's just to make maemo show up in the "active projects" again :)
May 29 15:23:09 <X-Fade> Magical mail multiplier..
May 29 15:23:20 <teotwaki> once this is over
May 29 15:23:34 <teotwaki> I'll start a "email your bio if you want to receive viagra!"
May 29 15:24:10 <MohammadAG> muhaha
May 29 15:24:12 <vi_> after this is over I am sure a lot of the new activity will go dormant again.
May 29 15:24:16 <MohammadAG> made a plugin based toggle system for Harmattan
May 29 15:24:17 <X-Fade> I'm thinking of putting a mail rule in the list server..
May 29 15:24:20 <MohammadAG> UI sucks, for now
May 29 15:26:03 <MohammadAG> http://i47.tinypic.com/21dhrpe.jpg
May 29 15:26:26 <beford> nice
May 29 15:26:59 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: What does it do?
May 29 15:27:08 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, look at the screenshot :p
May 29 15:27:20 <MohammadAG> clicking the off should turn on airplane mode
May 29 15:27:21 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: I did ;)
May 29 15:27:36 <X-Fade> Ok, that wasn't very obvious :P
May 29 15:28:04 <MohammadAG> it's a toggle system :p
May 29 15:29:53 <MohammadAG> and implementing a toggle is piss easy
May 29 15:29:54 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/zWfzHGPG
May 29 15:30:52 <MohammadAG> then just compile as a lib and drop it in /usr/lib/mt-toggles, the rest should be handled by the main lib
May 29 15:38:17 <vi_> freemangordon: ping
May 29 15:41:17 <Woody14619> K, silly IRC question, as I've not been using it for over a decade.  When I connect via wifi on my N900, I get on just fine and life is grand.  When I connect via TMobil, I get some error about "SASL required".  Everything Google finds talks about setting up nickserv stuff to authenticate on login, which I'm doing.
May 29 15:41:39 <wmarone> what's your mobile provider?
May 29 15:41:45 <Woody14619> TMobil.
May 29 15:41:50 <wmarone> hm
May 29 15:41:57 <wmarone> dunno, I get the same thing here on AT&T
May 29 15:42:09 <wmarone> card.freenode.net tends to let me in
May 29 15:42:34 <teotwaki> Woody14619: connect using ssl
May 29 15:42:36 <wmarone> SASL has to be built into xchat for it to work, I believe
May 29 15:42:38 <Woody14619> I think that was one of the ones that specificly rejected me.. but I'll try it later.
May 29 15:42:41 <teotwaki> Woody14619: it's basically an auth mechanism
May 29 15:43:07 <Woody14619> teotwaki, I tried that, but even connecting via SSL it spit out the same error and hung up on me.
May 29 15:43:35 <Woody14619> And again, SSL or not, the same client connect just fine when I'm on wifi just about anywhere.
May 29 15:43:58 <teotwaki> Woody14619: xchat?
May 29 15:43:59 <wmarone> yeah, freenode has an allergy to the wireless carriers' networks
May 29 15:44:11 <Woody14619> And I'm getting messages from the server, so technically I'm connected... until it dumps be for not authneditcaing.
May 29 15:44:20 <Woody14619> teotwaki, yes, xchat. :)
May 29 15:44:24 <teotwaki> Woody14619: http://freenode.net/sasl/README.txt
May 29 15:45:14 <Woody14619> teotwaki, thanks!  I'll throw that in and see if it works.  Guese my google-foo is not so good either? :P
May 29 15:49:01 <chem|st> MohammadAG: any thought on extending your sociality with upload plugins?
May 29 15:50:10 <freemangordon> vi_, pong
May 29 15:50:38 <MohammadAG> chem|st, Sociality already supports uploading, so I might do that
May 29 15:51:10 <freemangordon> MohammadAG, N900 or N9?
May 29 15:51:23 <MohammadAG> N900
May 29 15:51:31 <MohammadAG> N9 uploading isn't done yet
May 29 15:51:38 <freemangordon> but isn't it better to RE the plugins?
May 29 15:51:46 <vi_> freemangordon: good afternoon squire.
May 29 15:51:51 <vi_> I am on a bug hunt
May 29 15:52:18 <MohammadAG> freemangordon, depends if you're using sociality or not
May 29 15:52:20 <MohammadAG> he asked about it
May 29 15:52:25 <freemangordon> aah, ok
May 29 15:52:31 <freemangordon> vi_, which one?
May 29 15:52:32 <chem|st> MohammadAG: yeah, would come handy to not start sociality for a snapshot each time
May 29 15:52:59 <MohammadAG> can sharing plugins be in Qt?
May 29 15:53:05 <vi_> freemangordon: if I load this:
May 29 15:53:09 <vi_> http://slexy.org/view/s21JAocXjZ
May 29 15:53:21 <vi_> everything is just nice and peachy
May 29 15:53:30 <vi_> UNTIL!!!
May 29 15:53:45 <vi_> I launch the camera.
May 29 15:53:57 <vi_> Then instacrash/reboot.
May 29 15:53:59 <chem|st> MohammadAG: no idea
May 29 15:54:13 <vi_> but ONLY if smart reflex is on.
May 29 15:54:18 <chem|st> MohammadAG: did you have a look at https://developers.google.com/drive/ yet or is that out of your range?
May 29 15:54:34 <vi_> if I then take the voltage SR is using for 900MHz
May 29 15:54:58 <vi_> and set it manually and lock to 900MHz it works fine
May 29 15:55:11 <vi_> in fact I can go a little bit lower than what SR recommends
May 29 15:55:36 <freemangordon> vi_, does "stock" frequencies lead to reboot, when SR is turned on?
May 29 15:56:00 <vi_> yes
May 29 15:56:06 <MohammadAG> chem|st, actually looks simple
May 29 15:56:16 <vi_> whenever I launch the camera, with the above settings
May 29 15:56:43 <freemangordon> vi_, any stack trace? /dev/mtd2
May 29 15:56:45 <chem|st> MohammadAG: facebook or drive?
May 29 15:56:48 <vi_> I have tried eliminating the settings one by one
May 29 15:56:49 <rzs19> is meego more lightweight than maemo?
May 29 15:56:56 <MohammadAG> drive
May 29 15:57:06 <MohammadAG> no, maemo is way more lightweight
May 29 15:57:12 <chem|st> afaik it needs to be in chrome-store to have actually access
May 29 15:58:15 <vi_> freemangordon: 1 sec
May 29 16:01:53 <freemangordon> vi_, could you install hildon-desktop from cssu-devel repo to see if it fixes that issue?
May 29 16:01:56 <chem|st> hmm, gtg cleaning drip rails... will be on later with my sister needing guidance with her new and shiny n900
May 29 16:06:15 <vi_> freemangordon: 1st. How do I see debug messages on mtd2?
May 29 16:07:22 <freemangordon> vi_, well, try with dd or cat, actually I am using winscp :)
May 29 16:08:00 <freemangordon> vi_, you started some explanation re elimination
May 29 16:09:54 <freemangordon> vi_, BTW i cannot reprodice the crash here, runing kernel-cssu v1, and latest-greatest stuff from cssu-devel/thumb
May 29 16:11:28 <vi_> freemangordon: mmm
May 29 16:11:57 <freemangordon> vi_, mmm as in?
May 29 16:13:18 <freemangordon> Pali, ping
May 29 16:15:29 <vi_> freemangordon: finally a pastebin that will work.
May 29 16:15:31 <vi_> http://cxg.de/_333057.htm
May 29 16:15:36 <vi_> is my mtd2
May 29 16:15:43 <vi_> I do not have cssu-dev enabled
May 29 16:16:13 <freemangordon> vi_, yes, I know
May 29 16:16:32 <freemangordon> but you'd better enable it
May 29 16:17:20 <freemangordon> vi_, forget about that
May 29 16:17:26 <freemangordon> the crash is in sr_ntarget_add_margin
May 29 16:18:18 <wmarone> hmm
May 29 16:18:33 <freemangordon> vi_, may I have your uname -a?
May 29 16:18:45 <wmarone> facebook must have changed something, the facebook widget doesn't seem able to grab anything anymore....
May 29 16:18:47 <vi_> I stand corrected.  It DOES work at 250-600MHz but nothing any higher. i.e. 250-720.
May 29 16:19:02 <vi_> sure, as soon as I have booted up again!
May 29 16:19:57 <vi_> I must add a line to rc-late that checks if camera slide is oipen and automatically runs fsck if it is so I can happily recover from these crashes when playing with settings.
May 29 16:20:32 <freemangordon> vi_, why , why, you nearly cause me a heart attack, I was swearing every now and then SR is 100% stable for stock frequencies :D
May 29 16:21:01 <vi_> my device is a bad egg.
May 29 16:21:38 <freemangordon> nah, it is ok if you don't have crash when frequencies are in range 250-600 and SR is enabled
May 29 16:22:49 <freemangordon> vi_, may I have your uname -a before you start playing with rc-late
May 29 16:31:24 <vi_> freemangordon: Linux n900 2.6.28.10-power50 #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 18 20:10:56 EET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
May 29 16:39:17 <freemangordon> vi_, how doy you control DSP frequencies?
May 29 16:42:51 <vi_> I echo the appropriate values to the /sys/place
May 29 16:43:10 <vi_> echo "90 90 180 360 430 600 600 600 600 600 600 600 600" > /sys/power/dsp_opps_rate
May 29 16:43:14 <vi_> ^like that
May 29 16:43:55 <freemangordon> hmmm, could you install KPS (i know you hate it, but just for the test) and do kernel-config load dsp
May 29 16:44:22 <freemangordon> then try again
May 29 16:44:39 <vi_> well I DO have the kernel-config script
May 29 16:44:51 <vi_> just none of the upstart nonsense that goes with it
May 29 16:45:09 <vi_> current frequency: 900
May 29 16:45:09 <vi_> supported frequencies: 125 250 500 550 600 720 805 850 900 950 1000 1100 1150
May 29 16:45:09 <vi_> min. frequency: 250
May 29 16:45:09 <vi_> max. frequency: 900
May 29 16:45:11 <vi_> avoid frequencies: 125 550 850 950 1000 1100 1150
May 29 16:45:14 <vi_> active frequencies: 0:30,90 250:37,180 500:54,360 600:47,600 720:51,600 805:54,600 900:60,600
May 29 16:45:17 <vi_> SmartReflex VDD1=1, VDD2=1
May 29 16:46:41 <vi_> could you pastebin the dsp profile for me?
May 29 16:46:46 <freemangordon> vi_, does not look good
May 29 16:47:05 <freemangordon> just a second
May 29 16:47:48 <vi_> what aspect of the above do you find distressing?
May 29 16:48:05 <freemangordon> 0:30,90 
May 29 16:48:11 <freemangordon> as a start
May 29 16:48:21 <freemangordon> that is mine http://pastebin.com/7yHGNVQ8
May 29 16:49:07 <vi_> those are not 'real voltages'
May 29 16:49:16 <vi_> they are just some junk kernel config says
May 29 16:49:39 <vi_> my kernel-config output never changes even when SR is enabled.
May 29 16:49:48 <freemangordon> I am talking abot "0" frequency, that was some hack made by titan, it is removed in KP 50
May 29 16:50:28 <vi_> my real voltages are:
May 29 16:50:32 <vi_>  cat  /sys/power/vdd1_opps_vsel
May 29 16:50:34 <vi_> 30 24 37 54 41 47 51 54 55 60 60 72 72
May 29 16:50:43 <vi_> I NEVER set the voltages.
May 29 16:50:59 <freemangordon> vi_,please,  lets try KPS, there is no use to argue . 
May 29 16:51:01 <vi_> I boot with stock voltages, then let SR set them.
May 29 16:51:10 <freemangordon> And 	 am not talking about voltages :)
May 29 16:51:23 <freemangordon> but for zero frequency
May 29 16:51:31 <vi_> I hope kps has been fixed to be fully purgable now...
May 29 16:51:44 <freemangordon> well, NFC :)
May 29 16:51:54 <vi_> It is an abomination
May 29 16:51:58 <freemangordon> there are some remnans?
May 29 16:52:07 <freemangordon> *remnants
May 29 16:52:17 <freemangordon> never been aware of such a bug
May 29 16:52:38 <vi_> you try to uninstall it and sometimes on reboots it says 'A REBOOT WAS DETECTED!!11!1 YOUR OVERCLOCK HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED!!1!"
May 29 16:52:54 <vi_> and I am like, WTF, I uninstalled you piece of shit.
May 29 16:53:20 <vi_> current frequency: 900
May 29 16:53:20 <vi_> supported frequencies: 125 250 500 550 600 720 805 850 900 950 1000 1100 1150
May 29 16:53:20 <vi_> min. frequency: 900
May 29 16:53:20 <vi_> max. frequency: 900
May 29 16:53:20 <vi_> avoid frequencies: 125 550 850 950 1000 1100 1150
May 29 16:53:22 <vi_> active frequencies: 250:24,90 500:37,180 600:41,430 720:47,600 805:51,600 900:55,600
May 29 16:53:25 <vi_> SmartReflex VDD1=1, VDD2=1
May 29 16:53:28 <vi_> governor ondemand: ignore nice load= 0, up threshold= 80, sampling rate= 150000, powersave bias= 0
May 29 16:53:31 <freemangordon> hmm. AFAIK that is a part of KP, not KPS. Could be wring, never been so much in scripts coming with KP
May 29 16:53:31 <vi_> is the new output
May 29 16:54:05 <vi_> It is not your fault and it does no harm to the system.  I am just fussy.
May 29 16:54:40 <freemangordon> vi_, I am not sure how KP will handle those missing frequencies above 900
May 29 16:54:52 <freemangordon> 950-1150 range
May 29 16:55:22 <freemangordon> aah
May 29 16:55:28 <freemangordon> aorry, scratch that
May 29 16:55:32 <freemangordon> *sorry
May 29 16:56:07 <freemangordon> well, you could try now
May 29 16:56:33 <freemangordon> if it reboots again, I will insist on installing KPS and try with dsp profile
May 29 16:56:56 <freemangordon> vi_ ^^^
May 29 16:57:31 <vi_> I have installed kps
May 29 16:57:34 <vi_> just for you!
May 29 16:57:37 <freemangordon> good
May 29 16:57:49 <freemangordon> THANK YOU
May 29 16:58:24 <vi_> however I still need the 'dsp' kernel config file
May 29 16:58:26 <freemangordon> lets try with dsp profile, I hope you don't have some dbus scripts or ather shit changing OC on-the-fly
May 29 16:58:35 <freemangordon> vi_, it is a part of KPS
May 29 16:59:05 <freemangordon> kerna=el-config load dsp should work OOB
May 29 16:59:16 <vi_> bwahaha.  Ironically I was the one who showed karam how to change OC shit with dbus scripts.
May 29 16:59:22 <freemangordon> s/kerna=el/kernel/
May 29 16:59:22 <infobot> freemangordon meant: kernel-config load dsp should work OOB
May 29 16:59:49 <vi_> so in a way I am the grandfather of batterypatch
May 29 17:00:28 <freemangordon> yeah, :D
May 29 17:01:02 <MrPingu> Are you proud of that? :P
May 29 17:01:26 <freemangordon> seems he is, at lest not ashamed :P
May 29 17:01:31 <freemangordon> *least
May 29 17:09:01 <vi_> sorry had to take a call
May 29 17:09:03 <vi_> also
May 29 17:09:07 <vi_> instacrash
May 29 17:09:19 <vi_> with dsp profile
May 29 17:09:41 <freemangordon> hmm, that is really strange
May 29 17:10:28 <freemangordon> seems there is a bug, I just can't reproduce it
May 29 17:10:32 <vi_> I must add that this crash only happens with those wacky compcache settings.
May 29 17:17:47 <freemangordon> vi_, how did you install KP?
May 29 17:18:45 <freemangordon> vi_, scratch that, your KP seems correct one
May 29 17:23:30 <freemangordon> vi_, could you use some profile which does not OC DSP, I need to figure where i the code is the crash
May 29 17:23:47 <freemangordon> i.e. DSM frequency to be limited to 430
May 29 17:23:50 <freemangordon> *DSP
May 29 17:24:24 <Pali> pong, freemangordon
May 29 17:24:28 <freemangordon> that way it should NOT crash if I am getting what the bug is
May 29 17:24:49 <freemangordon> Pali, http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/mpoirier/linux-ubuntu-3.0.n900.git;a=summary
May 29 17:24:59 <freemangordon> Pali, NFC if it works :)
May 29 17:25:38 <Pali> ok :)
May 29 17:31:45 <vi_> ok, I will create a non dsp overclocking profile and test it.  I should add, this ONLY happens with compcache module loaded
May 29 17:31:57 <vi_> I have to go for some hours, I will report back later.
May 29 17:32:13 <freemangordon> vi_, I see, could be a nug in compcache too. ok
May 29 17:36:33 <Venemo> hey guys :)
May 29 17:36:39 <Venemo> Estel_: congrats for your election! :)
May 29 18:20:29 <Woody14619> huzzaah!
May 29 18:50:43 <freemangordon> WTF?!? libfacebooksharingservice.so.0.0.0 is thumb2 compiled!!!
May 29 18:50:54 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51 ^^^ :P
May 29 19:06:54 <chem|st> ~flashing
May 29 19:06:55 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 29 19:30:58 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: well, I guess MohammadAGhas no monopoly on fscking up builds like that
May 29 19:31:14 <DocScrutinizer51> btw libWHAT?
May 29 19:32:54 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51: facebook sharing plugin, i.e. photo uploader
May 29 19:33:04 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe you should grant author of that lib a favour and tell him *why* his lib SIGILLs all the time ;-P
May 29 19:33:36 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, it is nokia : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/sharing-service-facebook/0.4.4/
May 29 19:33:46 <DocScrutinizer51> LOL
May 29 19:34:06 <freemangordon> yeah, closed source, Fremantle rootfs  :D:D:D
May 29 19:34:19 <DocScrutinizer51> LOL^2
May 29 19:34:52 <DocScrutinizer51> I already anticipate next statement
May 29 19:35:19 <freemangordon> yeah, we MUST HAVE thumb errata workaround enabled :P
May 29 19:35:47 * DocScrutinizer51 waits for "now we *need* to switch whole CSSU to thumb and thumbfixed kernel, to fix this bug in non-open facebrick.so"
May 29 19:38:10 <DocScrutinizer51> well, actually I consider this a great opportunity to make Nokia participate a bit more on fremantle, either by opening up src, or by contributing some fixes to things they don't wanna open, or even by joining in to shed some light on thumb erratum isse, by evaluation and expertise
May 29 19:38:26 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, it is not about facebrick, the fact there is at least one thumb-compiled binary distributed by Nokia itself should ring the bell
May 29 19:38:28 <Pali> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84410
May 29 19:38:35 <freemangordon> Do you think it is only that one?
May 29 19:39:00 <DocScrutinizer51> errr, yes, in fact I think it's only that one
May 29 19:39:04 <Pali> freemangordon, how do you know that library is thumb?
May 29 19:39:09 <freemangordon> Pali, that is why I started REing the stupid FB libs
May 29 19:39:16 <DocScrutinizer51> until somebody proves me wrong
May 29 19:39:29 <freemangordon> Pali, IDA never lies :)
May 29 19:39:33 <Pali> has thumb info written in ELF header?
May 29 19:39:38 <Pali> ok :)
May 29 19:39:57 <DocScrutinizer51> though I recall my weird results of mass-checking binaries some 6 months ago
May 29 19:39:58 <freemangordon> text:0000310E                 BEQ.W           loc_3588
May 29 19:40:51 <freemangordon> or even better:
May 29 19:40:53 <freemangordon> text:0000310C 00 28                       CMP             R0, #0
May 29 19:41:09 <DocScrutinizer51> ??
May 29 19:41:13 <freemangordon> Pali, 2 byte instructions ;)
May 29 19:41:20 <Pali> freemangordon, download fiasco rx51 image, unpack rootfs and run shell script on all elf binaries
May 29 19:41:34 <DocScrutinizer51> that's exactly what I did
May 29 19:41:35 <Pali> maybe it is not only one thumb binary
May 29 19:41:49 <DocScrutinizer51> though I just checked for "illegal instruction"
May 29 19:41:52 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, look at the offsets, those are not 32bit aligned
May 29 19:42:58 <freemangordon> I am not sure we can find thumb compiled binaries so easy. we need a disassemble for start
May 29 19:43:05 <freemangordon> *disassembler
May 29 19:43:24 <freemangordon> NFC if gdb can do abjdump
May 29 19:43:28 <DocScrutinizer51> I used that age old unix tool the name of I can't recall right now
May 29 19:43:38 <DocScrutinizer51> objdump
May 29 19:43:39 <freemangordon> *objdump
May 29 19:44:01 <DocScrutinizer51> objdump can do objdump :-P
May 29 19:44:30 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, could you run that against /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so
May 29 19:44:53 <DocScrutinizer51> I HONESTLY hope no such friggin lib on my system!!
May 29 19:45:35 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, I don't give a shit if you like FB or not, that is not what the discussion is for
May 29 19:46:31 <DocScrutinizer51> IroN900:~# ls -l  /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so
May 29 19:46:33 <DocScrutinizer51> ls: Zugriff auf /usr/lib/sharing/plugins/libfacebooksharingservice.so nicht möglich: No such file or directory
May 29 19:46:49 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: asshat! ;-P
May 29 19:46:51 <freemangordon> yeah, no FB sharing plugin installed
May 29 19:47:19 <DocScrutinizer51> you think I should install it?
May 29 19:47:54 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, you have that toll on your system, seems to me the easiest way to check if it can/not detect thumb binaries
May 29 19:48:00 <freemangordon> *tool
May 29 19:48:24 <DocScrutinizer51> apt-get install binutils-gnu
May 29 19:48:34 <freemangordon> the package is sharing-service-facebook
May 29 19:48:46 <DocScrutinizer51> NFC what to install for spacefick
May 29 19:49:03 <DocScrutinizer51> mhm
May 29 19:50:54 <Pali> $ arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump -d a.out | sed 's/\s\s*/ /g' | cut -f3 -d' ' | grep -q '^....$' && echo "Binary has thumb code"
May 29 19:51:17 <Pali> freemangordon, use this for checking ^^^
May 29 19:51:20 <freemangordon> hmm, sometething very strange here, the version on maemo.org is 4.4, but the version on my device is 5.1
May 29 19:52:48 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: I guess it will need some tweaks?
May 29 19:53:39 <Pali> it checking if binary has some 16bit instruction
May 29 19:53:52 <Estel_> chem|st, teotwaki, sure, many people apply for devices without much merit behind it, but, on the other hand, I think that most "wise ones" can't read short reequiments with understanding
May 29 19:53:58 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: I confess I forgat the correct parameters for objdump invocation
May 29 19:54:01 <Estel_> who the hell said that developers can't apply for device?!
May 29 19:54:11 <DocScrutinizer51> took me some time to get it all right
May 29 19:54:20 <Estel_> I will quote a nice snippet to You, especially chem|st
May 29 19:54:27 <Pali> also you can try to use readelf
May 29 19:54:43 <Estel_> "Unlike other programs, target audience of Community Awards aren't only developers. Suitable candidates include (also) dedicated testers, helpers, hardware modders, contributing participants of brainstorms and so goes on. Usually, it's a mix of all presented above. "
May 29 19:54:54 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, I enough of a thumb2, will leave the exercise for someone else
May 29 19:54:59 <Pali> $ readelf -a a.out | grep -i thumb
May 29 19:55:04 <Estel_> chem|st, teotwaki, does it sounds like "devs shouldn't apply"?!
May 29 19:55:12 <Estel_> freemangordon, wtf?
May 29 19:55:20 <Estel_> something doesn't work like it should?
May 29 19:55:27 <freemangordon> even better
May 29 19:55:45 <freemangordon> [21:47] <freemangordon> WTF?!? libfacebooksharingservice.so.0.0.0 is thumb2 compiled!!!
May 29 19:55:53 <Estel_> teotwaki, if You don't like CA idea, solution is simpel - don't submit, don't follow.
May 29 19:56:22 <Estel_> I don't see anything bad about people sending submissions without reason - no one said they're going to get device
May 29 19:56:27 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: please reconsider your notion, you're council now
May 29 19:56:49 <Estel_> BTW, saying that "you don't want to sit in same hat as those idiots" is out of line- especially, that amongst submitters, we have freemangordon, Pali, MAG, etc
May 29 19:57:05 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, IIRC, i never promised thatI'll pretend I'm someone else after council election
May 29 19:57:10 <freemangordon> guys, where the fuck sharing-service-facebook_0.5.1_armel.deb comes from? OVI store?
May 29 19:57:11 <DocScrutinizer51> I constantly become green hulk when somebody says "like it or leave it, but shut up"
May 29 19:57:38 <Estel_> furthermore, I did my best, to show people, that i'm not a type of "diplomat" in some cases.
May 29 19:57:38 <freemangordon> because that is what i have installed on my device
May 29 19:57:56 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, wlel, it's Your right to become a hulk
May 29 19:58:04 <Estel_> I don't see much merit behind teotwaki's whinning
May 29 19:58:25 <MrPingu> freemangordon , examine what the FB installer does ;)
May 29 19:58:28 <Estel_> CA is other thing than coding Competition.
May 29 19:58:43 <DocScrutinizer51> I don't see much sound rationale and aim behind CA
May 29 19:58:49 <Estel_> Ca is for contributions to community seen as in "big picture" - mix of all things, developing is only part of them
May 29 19:59:02 <Estel_> for example, qwerty wouldn't, probably, get Ca, if he would be still active in the way he waas.
May 29 19:59:07 <MrPingu> When you reflash your device you get a FB icon, when clicking that it opens HAM
May 29 19:59:14 <Estel_> sure, he was great dev, and would get device in most categories easily, probably...
May 29 19:59:32 <Estel_> But not in CA, as he wasn't very "community" type ;)
May 29 19:59:43 <DocScrutinizer51> well, I don't mind... almost. I just hope it won't lure away even more gifted experts from fremantle
May 29 20:00:05 <freemangordon> MrPingu: IIRC sharing plugin could be installed from HAM
May 29 20:00:05 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, last eyar i also thought like that.
May 29 20:00:12 <freemangordon> no need to click FB installer
May 29 20:00:18 <Estel_> ho ever, I realized, that reasonable people stay in communtiy even after receiving devi9ce...
May 29 20:00:20 <Estel_> see Nicolai
May 29 20:00:34 <Estel_> and people that leave Fremantle as soon as receive device, would do it for any reason
May 29 20:00:42 <Estel_> be it new samsung galaxy, new android toy, or whatever
May 29 20:00:44 <MrPingu> freemangordon: I will check, still have a clean device ;)
May 29 20:01:11 <DocScrutinizer51> oh well, take your happy pills in shape of N9 and celebrate you're such a great community, and even with all new guys nobody ever heard about
May 29 20:01:16 <DocScrutinizer51> I don't care
May 29 20:01:47 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, what's the problem? you never heard about such guys, that try their luck?
May 29 20:01:52 <Estel_> again, submission ≃ getting device
May 29 20:02:01 <Estel_> s/!=/=/
May 29 20:02:12 <DocScrutinizer51> again, I couldn't care less
May 29 20:02:21 <Estel_> so, why so asshatish about it?;)
May 29 20:02:28 <DocScrutinizer51> friggin 25 devices
May 29 20:02:38 <Estel_> "take Your happy pills" and such thing doesn't sound like someone whi doesn't care,m at least emotionally.
May 29 20:02:49 <Estel_> odl rascal ;)
May 29 20:03:21 * MrPingu waits till HAM stops spinning that circle
May 29 20:03:42 <Estel_> it seems to me, that - first time - people who already contributed much will get devices, instead of ones that just "rpomise" new things, where, maybe, in good times, 10% are fulfilled.
May 29 20:03:45 <DocScrutinizer51> and felt 2500 fools are exposing their silliness and greed
May 29 20:03:55 <Estel_> well, it's fool's problem
May 29 20:03:57 <Estel_> not our.
May 29 20:04:15 <Estel_> It sounds, that You're more irritated by idiots spamming mailing list, than whole merit ;)
May 29 20:04:20 <DocScrutinizer51> it's my problem when I have to deal with it in a chan where I mod
May 29 20:04:27 <Estel_> well, My initial diea was to use council@maemo.org for submissions
May 29 20:04:40 <Estel_> s/diea/idea/
May 29 20:04:41 <infobot> Estel_ meant: well, My initial idea was to use council@maemo.org for submissions
May 29 20:04:53 <Estel_> couldn't do that thouigh, as X-Fade is ages late to prepare mail cloaks for us
May 29 20:05:00 <Estel_> i.e. register our mails as council@maemo.org aliases
May 29 20:05:12 <Estel_> well, i'm still happy, as we managed to make KP get out of testing :D
May 29 20:05:51 <Estel_> after all, mailing list got small nice button called "stop delivering mails", so you can take 3 weeks vacation from list ;)
May 29 20:06:41 <DocScrutinizer51> huh
May 29 20:06:43 <DocScrutinizer51> ?
May 29 20:06:47 <freemangordon> http://pastebin.com/ya7QnNVT
May 29 20:06:54 <DocScrutinizer51> dunno which button you talk about
May 29 20:07:16 <Estel_> go into configuration of mailing lsit. You can make it stop delivering mails without unsubscribing
May 29 20:07:17 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm ignoring ML since 18 onths +
May 29 20:07:21 <Estel_> mainly used for vacations and such.
May 29 20:07:27 <freemangordon> Who the hell is that guy and where that .deb comes from?
May 29 20:07:33 <Estel_> well, so You got even less reason to be bitching about CA.
May 29 20:07:39 <MrPingu> Freemangordon: I can't find facebook-sharing service in HAM,
May 29 20:07:44 <Estel_> after all, mailing lsit is where most submissions land.
May 29 20:07:55 <MrPingu> so it's not in user category
May 29 20:08:09 <Estel_> freemangordon, no idea
May 29 20:08:19 <Estel_> generally, i though msot dramas happen on TMO
May 29 20:08:27 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: BWAHAHAHA
May 29 20:08:50 <Estel_> but now, after "you won't hijack CSSU" (tm) and "CA will doom us!" I think I don't have time for this all IRC whinning ;)
May 29 20:09:18 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, may you share what is so funny?
May 29 20:09:55 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: you have an annoying tendency to "quote" people, or state what they allegedly think or do, that's close to outright lies and trolling
May 29 20:10:19 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: your pastie, your Q "who's that guy?"
May 29 20:10:38 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, it's not ym fault that "you won't hijack CSSU" is a legend already, BTw, where i implied what You think?
May 29 20:10:49 <Estel_> it's jsut that lately, more merit is on TMO, and more useless dramas on IRC
May 29 20:10:51 <Estel_> simple as that
May 29 20:11:25 <DocScrutinizer51> well, prove my point 2 lines up
May 29 20:11:30 <Estel_> after all, saying something in public - or, repeating this 100 times during single discussion - you must be ready, that someone will quote that, not always in a way You would like it
May 29 20:11:40 <Estel_> nice, so "Take your happy pills" that You're right
May 29 20:11:48 <Estel_> and enjoy. i'm off for a while.
May 29 20:11:54 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, "Robert Schultheis is a Senior Technology Expert with Forum Nokia Technical Services"
May 29 20:11:58 <MrPingu> Bye!
May 29 20:12:08 <DocScrutinizer51> go... ****
May 29 20:12:27 <DocScrutinizer51> isn't it an amazing troll?
May 29 20:13:25 <MrPingu>  $ apt-cache policy  sharing-service-facebook
May 29 20:13:35 <DocScrutinizer51> where the FUCK did I say or imply "CA will doom us!"?? Idiot. Of course he's just using the first of his 2 statements to post another 5 lines BS, as he exactly knows the 2nd was a lie
May 29 20:14:15 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, please stop that for a while
May 29 20:14:34 <DocScrutinizer51> and just for the entertainment: YOU WON'T HIJACL CSSU!
May 29 20:14:48 <freemangordon> I think we have a bigger problem than your fight wit Estel
May 29 20:15:12 <MrPingu> freemangordon: Wtf on Fapman it's version 0.44
May 29 20:15:25 <freemangordon> the same on maemo.org
May 29 20:15:30 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: yep
May 29 20:15:48 <MrPingu> fremantle ssu apps repo ;)
May 29 20:15:56 <DocScrutinizer51> it's just annoying the living shit outa me how he argues
May 29 20:16:02 <freemangordon> https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com 
May 29 20:16:24 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, excuse me if You feel offended in any way. Generally, i msut admit, that this whole "negatronic" about Ca "jsut for sake of it" is little irritating, especially, considering ammount of work we have to make it proceed smoothly.
May 29 20:16:44 <freemangordon> and where the hell am I supposed to send a bug report
May 29 20:16:57 <Estel_> Sometimes, it's almost like "I already have N950, so why the fuck they're spaming maiolinglist/IRC with some stupid program". i know that it isn't like that in Your case.
May 29 20:17:42 <Estel_> funniest thing is that it's like "they're doing it, BAd, they're not doing it, BAD".
May 29 20:18:23 <Estel_> after all, there is no 100% fair way to limit ammount of stupid submissions, and all "authocracy" we have is sjut to ensure proper people will get devices.
May 29 20:19:02 <Estel_> I agree that there is no reason for arguing, especially, that some interesting developer's discussion is herre, erm, attempted by freemangordon, pingu and others
May 29 20:19:05 <Estel_> ...and spamme by us :p
May 29 20:19:11 <Estel_> s/spamme/spammed
May 29 20:19:17 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 29 20:19:20 <freemangordon> :P
May 29 20:19:52 <Estel_> peace, DocScrutinizer, and sorry again if You felt offended
May 29 20:19:58 <DocScrutinizer51> ok
May 29 20:20:34 <Estel_> freemangordon, why you think requestr foir a TMO link is idiotic?
May 29 20:20:52 <Estel_> I think it isn't *too* much effort to ask from submitting people, and it eases processing for Council
May 29 20:21:03 <Estel_> as, while most people have TMO linke din profile, other don't...
May 29 20:21:14 <Estel_> and this way, we have all details in mail, without 3x click to get into TMO
May 29 20:21:15 <freemangordon> Estel_, there is a link on maemo.org account, to TMO account
May 29 20:21:20 <Estel_> yea
May 29 20:21:38 <Estel_> but it require clicking on maemo.org profile, clicking on TMO profile, extracting TMO nick...
May 29 20:21:45 <MrPingu> Not all have linked it though
May 29 20:21:57 <DocScrutinizer51> not all have tmo account
May 29 20:21:59 <Estel_> add to this "submissions", that doesn't fullfill requiments, etc
May 29 20:22:08 <Estel_> people without tmo accounts or without linked ones...
May 29 20:22:10 <freemangordon> and now you'll have to go through the same pile of mails trying to find which mail to which maemo.org account belongs :)
May 29 20:22:20 <DocScrutinizer51> again, tmo is no mandatory prerequisite for being a maemo community member
May 29 20:22:20 <Estel_> for someone submitting, it's jsut pasting another link. For council, it's 3x less work:p
May 29 20:22:27 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, of course
May 29 20:22:49 <DocScrutinizer51> not even reading that pile of slime is
May 29 20:22:50 <Estel_> that why requiments say clearly "or, in case of not being registered on TMO, clear information about that"
May 29 20:22:58 <freemangordon> Estel_, IIRC in your mail you dont ask for BOTH accouns, just for TMO account
May 29 20:23:07 <Estel_> it isn't, not IRC, or mailing list (except for submitting)
May 29 20:23:14 <Estel_> ah, I see now.
May 29 20:23:32 <chem|st> ~cssu
May 29 20:23:33 <infobot> from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
May 29 20:23:34 <Estel_> freemangordon, udnerstood the point.
May 29 20:23:49 <DocScrutinizer51> moin chem|st
May 29 20:24:06 <Estel_> freemangordon, but having real name, we have no problem of linking maemo.org account
May 29 20:24:24 <Estel_> but have problems with finding tmo account (or info about it being not existent - which, BTW, never happened so far)
May 29 20:24:59 <freemangordon> and still asking for TMO account when it is not a prerequisite and when it is accessible by a single click on maemo.org account page seems unneccessary to me. It is up to you of course
May 29 20:25:14 <DocScrutinizer51> I could toss in another 30 devices to make that CA really an award ;-D Not _all_ being Nokia devices though ;-) 
May 29 20:25:34 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51: iphone4?
May 29 20:25:40 <DocScrutinizer51> LOL
May 29 20:25:41 <freemangordon> gimme, gimme
May 29 20:25:42 <MrPingu> I won't stop you Docscrutinizer51
May 29 20:25:46 <Estel_> hey, chemist also applied :D
May 29 20:26:31 <Estel_> freemangordon, generally I get Your point and agree. won't change it now though, as it would make more mess than profit
May 29 20:26:41 <Estel_> + itisn't much effort for people submitting, I hope.
May 29 20:26:56 <Estel_> MrPingu, +1
May 29 20:27:07 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, if You have any awards ready, we're happy to accept ;P
May 29 20:27:10 <Estel_> and I';m talking seriously
May 29 20:27:21 <Estel_> Coding Competition also did more awards from donations
May 29 20:27:26 <freemangordon> Estel_, ok, i don't really care
May 29 20:27:27 <DocScrutinizer51> Samsung Galaxy
May 29 20:27:38 <Estel_> why not, recipent can sell this shit and profit :P
May 29 20:27:38 <DocScrutinizer51> err OMNIA
May 29 20:27:56 <Estel_> lumnia :p
May 29 20:28:31 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah, that's exactly my rationale when I just thought council should first scan ML and esp IRC chan about all those who broke their N900 and can't afford a new one
May 29 20:28:52 <MrPingu> Btw do you shit phones, I only have 2 phones :P
May 29 20:29:05 <DocScrutinizer51> they could sell that crap and get a used replacement N900
May 29 20:29:25 <DocScrutinizer51> MrPingu: 
May 29 20:29:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ~joerg
May 29 20:29:28 <infobot> joerg is, like, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer
May 29 20:29:59 <MrPingu> I see :)
May 29 20:30:19 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: but then I thought odds are they even less will continue / resukme their work for fremantle, when given a HARM device
May 29 20:30:32 <DocScrutinizer51> resume*
May 29 20:30:46 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, it was a point made by vi_ a yeard ago, and i used to agree - until I saw results.
May 29 20:31:04 <Estel_> many people received device and continued working on Fremantle, to the point that I wasn't aware they have N950
May 29 20:31:12 <Estel_> like Nicolai, but hes not only one
May 29 20:31:23 <Estel_> on the other hand, many people who siwtched to harmattan, abandoned also harm community very soon
May 29 20:31:38 <MrPingu> eg?
May 29 20:31:44 <Estel_> working for Fremantle isn't a matter of having "more recent" device - after all, most devs can afford it for their own money
May 29 20:32:13 <Estel_> MrPingu, I had nice list, buyt can't find it now :D You, probably, can find some lgos about who receive3d N950 from dev program
May 29 20:32:28 <Estel_> now, i think that if someone would leave Community just because getting Harmattan, then, well, farewell
May 29 20:32:36 <Estel_> ...as such person would take first "chance" and leave anyway
May 29 20:32:59 <Estel_> + odds are, that people receiving CA are the type, that is here to stay :D
May 29 20:33:13 <Estel_> see freemangordon, you imagine him getting N950, hyphoteticaly, and dissapearing next day?>
May 29 20:33:36 <MrPingu> Now you said that... Option is opened xD
May 29 20:34:11 <MrPingu> TBH, I don't think so ;)
May 29 20:34:54 <GeneralAntilles> Give me an N9
May 29 20:34:57 <GeneralAntilles> I promise I wont go anywhere.
May 29 20:35:17 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: (+ odds are, that people receiving CA are the type, that is here to stay) And *I* am afraid you might be right on that
May 29 20:36:03 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, submit to mailing list, if You're in line with requiments ;P
May 29 20:36:09 <MrPingu> Maybe I can donate chains... To chain people up :P
May 29 20:36:24 <MrPingu> So we are assured they won't go anywhere :)
May 29 20:36:31 <DocScrutinizer51> at least my concern applies to all those throwing their cheap hat in the ring now
May 29 20:36:38 <Estel_> gold chains are welcomed ;)
May 29 20:36:46 <GeneralAntilles> Shit, I HOPE I'm in line with the requirements.
May 29 20:36:58 <GeneralAntilles> But, no, I don't need any free phones. ;)
May 29 20:37:07 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, if You received N950 and N9 from dev porograms, You're not ;)
May 29 20:37:18 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: that's exactly the point
May 29 20:37:19 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, you're not talking about ones receiving, but onesd submitting
May 29 20:37:36 <Estel_> no one know - yet - who will receive device ;)
May 29 20:37:51 <DocScrutinizer51> basically all those who deserve a device don't apply
May 29 20:37:57 <Estel_> + i'm sure that 99% of morons treating this as lottery, will GTFO to greener pastures as soon, as we will announce results
May 29 20:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> Oh? N950 owners are disqualified?
May 29 20:38:05 <Estel_> with info that they haven't got free device for nothing
May 29 20:38:07 <DocScrutinizer51> and those who apply probably don't deserve one
May 29 20:38:17 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, you're very wrong here.
May 29 20:38:17 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, usually the way.
May 29 20:38:19 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: for N950
May 29 20:38:24 <Estel_> Please, see the list before speaking like that
May 29 20:38:30 <user__> freemangordon: ping
May 29 20:38:31 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, that was my understanding, then.
May 29 20:38:36 <Estel_> as you're, generaly, offending many great people
May 29 20:38:47 <Estel_> we alreayd have at least 10 rationale submissions :P
May 29 20:38:55 <vi___> yo.
May 29 20:39:02 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, people who got N950 form dev program,l can't get another NB950
May 29 20:39:06 <Estel_> although, could get N9
May 29 20:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, this is why I recommended encouraging people who you think deserve a device to file a submission.
May 29 20:39:18 <Estel_> but people who got *both* N950 and N9 from Nokia's programs, are not
May 29 20:39:26 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, fully agree.
May 29 20:39:28 <GeneralAntilles> Estel_, ah. That was how I understood it.
May 29 20:39:39 <Estel_> if you think someone deserve it, but he haven't submitted yet - just speak with him.
May 29 20:39:41 <DocScrutinizer51> *I* am insulting particular people by stating a sentence with "probably"??? WTF is it *YOU* do all the time, then?
May 29 20:39:49 <GeneralAntilles> So, go find a useful contributor who's being too modest for their own good and prod them forcefully.
May 29 20:40:09 * GeneralAntilles hands DocScrutinizer51 a beer.
May 29 20:40:24 * vi___ passes doc a bong
May 29 20:40:35 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, it's like saying "probably, freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 etc don't deserve device
May 29 20:40:42 <Estel_> well, you're free to express Your opinion
May 29 20:40:51 <Estel_> but I'm afraid You're just wrong
May 29 20:41:18 <GeneralAntilles> Estel_, frankly I suspect DocScrutinizer51 would be completely behind your list.
May 29 20:41:22 <Estel_> not to mention that you're saying I'm also not deserving device, so I don't like You :P (uoke)
May 29 20:41:29 <DocScrutinizer51> and I'm afraid you will need another 2 or 3 decades to learn not to hear things like you would've said them
May 29 20:41:32 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, same here
May 29 20:41:32 <GeneralAntilles> Estel_, so my guess is something's been lost in the communication.
May 29 20:41:50 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, genmerally I agree, that's why i'm surprised he is so negatronic about it ;)
May 29 20:42:05 <DocScrutinizer51> I.E. not to deduce from you to others, and then state insulting nonsense assumptions as fact
May 29 20:42:21 <Estel_> main problem is that DocScrutinizer sees - IMO, and again, only IMO - fact that many people are submitting without rationale...
May 29 20:42:24 <Estel_> ...as problem in itself.
May 29 20:42:28 <Estel_> I see it as problem of those people.
May 29 20:42:38 <Pali> can somebody who had problem with evkey symlink path test new version of bootmenu?
May 29 20:42:39 <Pali> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1213765#post1213765
May 29 20:42:56 <Pali> I'd like to know if it is fixed now
May 29 20:43:08 <vi___> ~last freemangordon
May 29 20:43:09 <Pali> and if yes I will push new version to extras-devel
May 29 20:43:25 <vi___> ~seen freemangordon
May 29 20:43:30 <freemangordon> DAAAMN, /scratchbox/compilers/arm-linux-fremantle-gcc4.6.2/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-ld: final link failed: No space left on device
May 29 20:43:36 <infobot> freemangordon is currently on #maemo (7h 27m 26s) #maemo-ssu (7h 27m 26s). Has said a total of 117 messages. Is idling for 16m 9s, last said: 'Estel_, ok, i don't really care'.
May 29 20:43:47 <freemangordon> vi___, wazapp?
May 29 20:43:49 <Estel_> Pali, worksforme.Pali, if nmo one volounteer before, I'll do it in a hour or so
May 29 20:43:57 <vi___> evening'
May 29 20:43:59 <Estel_> vi, have You submitted for N9?:P
May 29 20:44:11 <Pali> Estel_, ok
May 29 20:44:25 <Estel_> write us a nice story about how You like to chat with 12 years old girls and that N9 is going to help You on that
May 29 20:44:26 <DocScrutinizer51> <DocScrutinizer51> and those who apply probably don't deserve one  VERSUS  "probably, freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991 etc don't deserve device
May 29 20:44:34 <DocScrutinizer51> KTHNXBY
May 29 20:44:46 <Estel_> those who apply = freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991, amongst others
May 29 20:45:00 <vi___> Estel_: I am still composing a nonchalant offer to gift nokia my time by using one of their n950 devices.
May 29 20:45:02 <Estel_> those who $apply don't deserve one
May 29 20:45:04 <Estel_> probably
May 29 20:45:08 <DocScrutinizer51> well, that's *your* weird logic
May 29 20:45:17 <Estel_> apply = freemangordon, MAG, Pali, Sakya, Hurrian, merlin1991
May 29 20:45:18 <GeneralAntilles> Estel_, DocScrutinizer51 is often prone to negatronism. :P It's generally best not to get worked up over it.
May 29 20:45:23 <Estel_> cat $ apply
May 29 20:45:32 <vi___> freemangordon: I have isolated the problem
May 29 20:45:36 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, probably right ;P
May 29 20:45:39 <freemangordon> 32k?
May 29 20:45:44 <freemangordon> vi___^^^
May 29 20:45:51 <vi___> SONOVVABITCH
May 29 20:45:55 <freemangordon> :P
May 29 20:45:55 <vi___> HOW THE
May 29 20:46:00 <vi___> WHT THE
May 29 20:46:09 <vi___> GET OU OF MY MIND
May 29 20:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, fundamentally it's going to be a function of the body doing to the selection as to whether people who don't deserve it are submitting applications.
May 29 20:46:37 <freemangordon> vi___: [100485.451721] kswapd0: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x4050
May 29 20:46:56 <freemangordon> that was few minutes after I applied your settings
May 29 20:46:57 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, so, have a little faith, and go prod somebody deserving who hasn't filed.
May 29 20:47:17 <vi___> if (min_free_kb < 256 AND SR=1){crash immediatley}
May 29 20:47:55 <freemangordon> yeah, starting camera leads to massive RAM allocation
May 29 20:48:10 <freemangordon> 12MB or so for 720p
May 29 20:48:16 <vi___> but why would SR affect that?
May 29 20:48:50 <freemangordon> NFC
May 29 20:48:57 * DocScrutinizer51 rather writes an IRC script putting everyone posting regex .*CA.* on his /ignore
May 29 20:49:01 <Pali> does somebody know when will be OBS personal repositories working?
May 29 20:49:05 <vi___> are you storing everything i hex precision floating points in the driver?
May 29 20:49:23 <freemangordon> pure 32bit ints
May 29 20:49:39 <GeneralAntilles> Da shit is CA.?
May 29 20:50:08 <DocScrutinizer51> 25 friggin devices, and 2500 fools applying "I just heard there's a thing called meamo (sic!) and there are devices for free. CAN I HAZ ONE PLZ?!"
May 29 20:50:34 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, given it's based on previous contributions, it's pretty damn easy to weed those out.
May 29 20:50:48 <freemangordon> vi___, just a second
May 29 20:51:14 <vi___> I think it is the 50+ retard spam mails he awoke to this morning.
May 29 20:51:29 <GeneralAntilles> vi___, that's what folders are for! :D
May 29 20:52:05 <freemangordon> vi___, I have the impression backtrace lies
May 29 20:52:14 <Pali> what? only 50 new mails in mailbox? :D subscribe to LKML :D
May 29 20:53:39 <Estel_> respect @ Pali for his submission's content
May 29 20:53:50 <Estel_> Pali, you've actually filled job request ;)
May 29 20:53:57 <Pali> and on some our internal mailinglist we can write 50 emails for one hour
May 29 20:54:06 <Estel_> and You would - ermn, probably - get device evenm with submission like that:
May 29 20:54:14 <Estel_> Hi. i'm Pali. N950. Now.
May 29 20:54:19 <Pali> :D
May 29 20:54:29 <Estel_> ...considering Your "past contributions" :)
May 29 20:54:34 <freemangordon> vi___, maybe some of the memory is swapped out (I think that memory allocated with GFP_KERNEL could be swapped) 
May 29 20:54:51 <freemangordon> and as there is no free RAM left, guess what
May 29 20:55:09 <DocScrutinizer51> now without any kidding. what's the aim of that CA thing?
May 29 20:55:09 <Estel_> ah, + link to TMO account :P
May 29 20:55:31 <freemangordon> + link to maemo.org account :P
May 29 20:55:48 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, recogniting long-time contributors to Maemo Community, and by contributors, I mean "big picture"
May 29 20:56:11 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dict recogniting
May 29 20:56:13 <infobot> could not find definition for recogniting
May 29 20:56:17 <Estel_> damn, more I write on IRC, the more my english grammar start to suxx
May 29 20:56:20 <DocScrutinizer51> so can't I
May 29 20:56:29 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, don't worry, me neither
May 29 20:56:39 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, it was qgil who said Nokia has 25 devices to be given as community awards
May 29 20:56:41 <Estel_> You msut use Your package common_sense
May 29 20:56:58 <DocScrutinizer51> ~spell recogniting
May 29 20:56:59 <Estel_> comon_sense /homne/user/recogniting
May 29 20:57:00 <infobot> possible spellings for recogniting: recognizing reigniting recognition recounting recanting reconnecting
May 29 20:57:08 <Estel_> Common Sense v1.1, have fun!:
May 29 20:57:35 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dict recognize
May 29 20:57:35 <Estel_> recogniting - user probably mean "to recogni9ze", but his english grammar sux due to writing on IRC
May 29 20:57:36 <infobot> Dictionary 'recognize' (2 of 12): detect with the senses; "The fleeing convicts were picked out of the darkness by the watchful prison guards"; "I can't make out the faces in this photograph"  ;; grant credentials to; "The Regents officially recognized the new educational institution"; "recognize an academic degree" .
May 29 20:57:36 <MrPingu> apt-get install common-sense
May 29 20:58:24 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, recognizing is also used - correctly - as "His work got recognized in Ca awards program"
May 29 20:58:24 <Pali> freemangordon, when obs will be working, testing thumb repo will be moved to obs?
May 29 20:59:06 <DocScrutinizer51> no common sense helps me out of not getting the catch in "$do-anything to long-time contributors"
May 29 20:59:26 <Estel_> or "do-anything at all" :P
May 29 20:59:28 <freemangordon> Pali, why is that?
May 29 20:59:50 <DocScrutinizer51> this isn't an aim in itself anyway
May 29 20:59:56 <freemangordon> AIUI there won't be any newer gcc
May 29 20:59:59 <DocScrutinizer51> or I miss to regignize it
May 29 21:00:03 <Estel_> well, long-time contributors like when they worjk is recognized and, even, rewqarded, You know that?:P
May 29 21:00:32 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, of course, but getting prize for volounteering, as recognition of Your work, as always neat thing.
May 29 21:00:37 <Pali> obs does not allow to use new/update gcc?
May 29 21:00:40 <Estel_> BTw, no once forces anyone to submit.
May 29 21:00:53 <Estel_> So, don't speak for contributors, to "don't do anything to them"
May 29 21:00:59 <Estel_> they're doing it to themselves :D
May 29 21:01:02 <Estel_> by submitting
May 29 21:01:09 <Estel_> we just help the, to achieve IT
May 29 21:01:13 <Estel_> pun intended.
May 29 21:01:16 <freemangordon> Pali, how am I supposed to know?
May 29 21:01:28 <Pali> who know status of obs?
May 29 21:01:30 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry, I don't see any aim
May 29 21:01:34 <Estel_> freemangordon, Pali, probably COBs will use new GCC
May 29 21:01:50 <Estel_> Pali, freemangordon, people @ #maemo-meeting
May 29 21:01:53 <Estel_> (who know status)
May 29 21:01:58 <Pali> ok
May 29 21:02:04 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, nokia needs warehouse space to stack new generations of lumia phones
May 29 21:02:09 <Estel_> :D
May 29 21:02:11 <Estel_> freemangordon, ;P
May 29 21:02:13 <Pali> but there is nobody active now on #maemo-meeting I think
May 29 21:02:22 <DocScrutinizer51> but then, whatever the aim, it won't fly with 25 devices anyway, unless it's been the aim to crreate traffic on the lists and in IRC and tmo
May 29 21:02:24 <Estel_> Pali, they have usual meeting every monday @ 15 UTC
May 29 21:02:37 <Estel_> but, unusually, this week meeting was held today @ 15 UTC
May 29 21:02:37 <Pali> ok
May 29 21:02:40 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: that's the whole point, no kidding
May 29 21:02:41 <Estel_> due to request on mailing list
May 29 21:02:47 <Estel_> new meeting as usual 15 UTc monday
May 29 21:02:55 <Estel_> Pali, you can always reach them on mailing list
May 29 21:02:56 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, I was not kidding
May 29 21:02:59 <Estel_> maemo-community@maemo.org
May 29 21:03:31 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, frankly, if they're not doing such programs, people complain. If they're doing it, people also complaing
May 29 21:03:40 <Estel_> I'm, for one, happy, that they're proposing us N950's and N9's
May 29 21:03:43 <Estel_> instead of lumnias
May 29 21:03:45 <Estel_> ;)
May 29 21:03:57 <DocScrutinizer51> well, I haven't seen anybody complaining yet
May 29 21:04:08 <Estel_> no, seriously :D no one is complaining :D
May 29 21:04:18 <Estel_> it's jsut Your usual behavior :D
May 29 21:04:27 <vi___> estel you wait till there are no prizes left.
May 29 21:04:34 <vi___> there will be complaints
May 29 21:04:43 <DocScrutinizer51> exactly - and it's again a nice example why I get upset about your argumentations
May 29 21:04:52 <Estel_> vi_, probably ;)
May 29 21:05:17 <DocScrutinizer51> I just dared to ask what's the AIM, FFS
May 29 21:05:35 <DocScrutinizer51> now in your weird little world that's identical to complaining
May 29 21:05:47 <Estel_> <DocScrutinizer51> 25 friggin devices, and 2500 fools applying "I just heard there's a thing called meamo (sic!) and there are devices for free. CAN I HAZ ONE PLZ?!"
May 29 21:05:58 <Estel_> no complaining. absolutely. Not at all :P
May 29 21:06:08 <DocScrutinizer51> no complaint detected
May 29 21:06:12 <Estel_> Well, i think GeneralAntilles is right
May 29 21:06:15 <vi___> DocScrutinizer51: when you enquire as to the aim do you actually mean, 'what is nokias motivation when throwing these devices in the bin would be 100* less trouble'?
May 29 21:06:24 <Estel_> if you're afraid people that don't deserve it could get one, convince people that deserve it to submit
May 29 21:06:35 <Estel_> and trust us on that (tm), we will choose right people from submissions
May 29 21:06:43 <DocScrutinizer51> vi___: basically yes
May 29 21:07:00 <vi___> DocScrutinizer51: I wonder the same thing.
May 29 21:07:12 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: I'm afraid of nuttin, except maybe losing my mind in debates with you
May 29 21:08:01 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: again, I couldn't bother less about that whole CA stuff, I'm not even interested in another device
May 29 21:08:07 <vi___> they stand to gain nothing except a little bit of favour with literally 10s of nerds on a strange corner of the internet.
May 29 21:08:39 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm just interested in people and their motivation, as I'm not one of those who think they already *know* what other people think and do
May 29 21:09:34 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, who cares? Free devices.
May 29 21:09:46 <DocScrutinizer51> free noise everywhere
May 29 21:09:55 <GeneralAntilles> Hit the mute button, then.
May 29 21:10:21 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon said "I think we got more serious problems than [that]"
May 29 21:11:06 <vi___> Estel_: how long do I have to offer the nokia the opportunity to give me an n950?
May 29 21:11:39 <freemangordon> yeah, thumb2 compiled binaries, freshly (and not so) downloaded from downloads.maemo.nokia.com
May 29 21:11:40 <DocScrutinizer51> and isn't it quite interesting and enlightening what newly elected council considers their highest priority first task they tackle?
May 29 21:12:55 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, that was a legacy from the previous council, with deadlines already set up, etc
May 29 21:13:04 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh
May 29 21:13:20 <vi___> freemangordon: in 1 sentance if you could.  How does thumb2 effect us n900 users?
May 29 21:13:29 <freemangordon> BWAHAHAHA
May 29 21:13:52 <freemangordon> vi___, where you've been for the last 8 months?
May 29 21:13:59 <freemangordon> it is broken on n900
May 29 21:14:12 <freemangordon> witha an workaround in kernel
May 29 21:14:18 <freemangordon> *without
May 29 21:14:25 <DocScrutinizer51> vi___: it's not working on our OMAP3530, and if it would, we could create smaller but possibly slower code for everything
May 29 21:15:14 <freemangordon> and the only kernel so far to have working workaround is kernel-cssu, flashed on 3 devices AFAIK (2 mine, and 1 Pali's)
May 29 21:15:17 <DocScrutinizer51> vi___: this been the ultraterse somewhat not comprehensive fuzzy answer
May 29 21:17:18 <freemangordon> vi___, on a (broken omap core)devices running kernel without that workaround it leads to to a random SIGILLs (not only in thumb-compiled code, but also in ordinary ARM code)
May 29 21:17:21 <Estel_> vi_, it's going to give us more RAM
May 29 21:17:47 <Estel_> no, seriously. not joking.
May 29 21:17:55 <Estel_> programs executables will have smaller footprint
May 29 21:17:58 <Estel_> loaded in RAM
May 29 21:18:01 <Estel_> = less RAM usage
May 29 21:18:04 <vi___> Estel_: orly? i thought more RAM was the only thing that would give us more ram
May 29 21:18:28 <Estel_> vi, due to silicon errors we can';t use thumb2 without errata fixes
May 29 21:18:33 <freemangordon> vi__, well more FREE RAM
May 29 21:18:52 <Estel_> freemangordon as first perosn working on this SoC mad eit work properly
May 29 21:19:07 <Estel_> as, al;l people before him, used it wrong way, thinking that it is in effect, but still buggy
May 29 21:19:08 <vi___> freemangordon: I was aware thumb2 was broken, thats why I asked.
May 29 21:19:12 <freemangordon> Estel_, limit that to n900
May 29 21:19:17 <Estel_> so FUD arose, that thumb2 on our SoC and N900a t all is not possible
May 29 21:19:32 <vi___> but it is?
May 29 21:19:36 <vi___> what?
May 29 21:19:36 <freemangordon> I have NFC what those guys on BB hade achieved
May 29 21:19:37 <Estel_> vi_, in fact, former methods to enable errata's workaround were broken
May 29 21:19:45 <Estel_> freemangordon, nothing
May 29 21:19:51 <Estel_> as on bb You got info that it's not possible
May 29 21:19:55 <Estel_> and when You asked why, they answered
May 29 21:20:01 <vi___> what is bb?
May 29 21:20:04 <Estel_> "because it isn't, go and buy better SoC"
May 29 21:20:07 <Estel_> beagleboard
May 29 21:20:11 <vi___> oh
May 29 21:20:27 <vi___> so thumb2 works on bb
May 29 21:20:32 <vi___> but not n900
May 29 21:20:32 <Estel_> freemangordon, BTw, yesterday DocScrutinizer asked me about details of Your fix for Sr on N90 0for up to 900 mhz
May 29 21:20:38 <Estel_> could You explain details to him?
May 29 21:20:49 <Estel_> he wasn't aware of that, due to sitting on kp46, IIRC
May 29 21:20:53 <freemangordon> Estel_, I know what I got as an answer, but that were some random (even famous) guys hanging on the channel
May 29 21:21:05 <Estel_> freemangordon, I know
May 29 21:21:09 <DocScrutinizer51> Estel_: please stop that now - definitely!!
May 29 21:21:11 <Estel_> I'mexplaining it to vi as terse "raport"
May 29 21:21:17 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, what?
May 29 21:21:30 <Estel_> yesterdsya You asked me abut it, and I told You that freemangordon know details better
May 29 21:21:31 <DocScrutinizer51> I AM NOt SITTINg ON KP46!!!
May 29 21:21:45 <Estel_> well, that's what You've said yesterday, not that I care?
May 29 21:21:54 <DocScrutinizer51> stop spreading utter lies and bullshit!!!
May 29 21:22:14 <Estel_> erm, it would be spreading FUD if I weould be talking it behind Your back
May 29 21:22:23 <Estel_> You're here, so feel free to correct, without unnecessary andrenalina bursts
May 29 21:22:25 <freemangordon> vi__, part of the fix is setting a bit in a register in system control co-processosr, but as n900 is high-secure device, that register is accessible only through call to ,hmm, lets name it BIOS
May 29 21:23:22 <freemangordon> Which I was lucky to discover :)
May 29 21:23:27 <MrPingu> Hmm, I have seen an uname of kp46 yesterday, can't remember from who though
May 29 21:23:41 <freemangordon> MrPingu, that was DocScrutinizer51
May 29 21:23:51 <Estel_> MrPingu, from DocScrutinizer ;)
May 29 21:23:58 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: ignore Estel_, he'll never be able to learn it as he refuses to wash his yellow pullover he is wearing all day and all night, since 15 years
May 29 21:24:11 <Estel_> apparently, DocScrutinizer51 is not DocScrutinizer. DocScrutinizer, dob';t get angry, I'm jok9ing now.
May 29 21:24:30 <MrPingu> What's with you guys? :O
May 29 21:24:49 <Estel_> In my humble and fully personal opinion, which doesn't apply to be ultimately correct...
May 29 21:24:54 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, is jsut overreactive as hell
May 29 21:25:08 <Estel_> + hard in discussions, where not everyone agrees with his point of view.
May 29 21:25:14 <Estel_> AFK for 15 minutes or so ;)
May 29 21:25:27 <Woody14619> MrPingu, They've both been spending a few hours screaming at each other like 4 year olds... nothing new...
May 29 21:25:28 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm just ultimately fed up with you spreading lies about me
May 29 21:25:43 <freemangordon> vi__, so, most probably (yet to be proven) we have a completely stable thumb2 on n900
May 29 21:26:19 <DocScrutinizer51> and I hate your stinking yellow shirt
May 29 21:26:25 <Woody14619> So... the FB lib is thumb2?  That would explain why it's crapping out for some randomly.
May 29 21:26:52 <freemangordon> vi__, actually i have few packages on my primary device thumb-compiled (Qt, gtk, h-d, stuff like that) for some time
May 29 21:27:00 <freemangordon> Woody14619, yeah ;)
May 29 21:27:09 <Woody14619> friggin awesome. :P
May 29 21:27:19 <freemangordon> Woody14619, actually it is the sharing plugin
May 29 21:27:20 <DocScrutinizer51> Woody14619: exactly what I said ;-D
May 29 21:27:24 <MrPingu> What do you mean exactly with crapping out? I sometimes get that upload error with reason :P
May 29 21:27:42 <MrPingu> *without 
May 29 21:27:53 <Pali> freemangordon, we should ask people who working on OBS if they can add more gcc versions to OBS (one recent for thumb2)
May 29 21:28:15 <Woody14619> So... Looks like a reasonable reason to push the thumb2 patch into KP51?  This would affect a core component that most people use...
May 29 21:28:18 <MrPingu> Now it's fully broken though :(
May 29 21:28:22 <freemangordon> Pali, I don't think it is that easy, new gcc means ne libstdc++
May 29 21:28:42 <freemangordon> MrPingu, patience is the word :P
May 29 21:28:46 <DocScrutinizer51> Woody14619: we don't need any reason to push that into kp51
May 29 21:28:52 <DocScrutinizer51> it's already on its way
May 29 21:29:33 <freemangordon> hmm, it is not about KP51, but about the rest
May 29 21:29:34 <Pali> but if obs will be up, it will be possible to create thumb repo with updated libstdc++...
May 29 21:29:59 <Woody14619> freemangordon, the rest?  (Sorry, been out of the loop a few days)
May 29 21:30:16 <DocScrutinizer51> Woody14619: freemangordon accepted my suggestion to allow switching this patch on and off at runtime, so no speed penalty for flushing branch prediction will hit those who don't need the thumb patch
May 29 21:30:20 <Woody14619> btw, I was here for OBS meeting... Work progresses....
May 29 21:30:27 <freemangordon> Pali, of course, but are you sure newer libstc++ from OBS will be ABI compatible with maemo5?
May 29 21:30:44 <freemangordon> I am not saying it will be not, just asking
May 29 21:31:08 <Pali> I think that new version of libstdc++ is not removing sysmbols
May 29 21:31:28 <freemangordon> well, I was thinking the same
May 29 21:31:37 <Pali> so it could be backward compatible
May 29 21:31:44 <MrPingu> Freemangordon: I am, sometimes but it was more a statement :) I know you are working on it, as for that version from ghost repo :P
May 29 21:32:08 <Pali> with maemo obs it should be simple to test that...
May 29 21:32:29 <freemangordon> at least libstdc++ coming with gcc 4.6.2 lives happily on my device for 6 months or so
May 29 21:33:03 <Woody14619> stskeeps has been working on a SB2 version http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/sb2-b1-obs-victory.txt
May 29 21:33:05 <MrPingu> 6 months is half a year, I would have rendered it stable ;&
May 29 21:33:58 <Pali> freemangordon, when building gcc you can specify default gcc flags. so creating thumb repo on obs should be simple if they provide thum gcc toolchain
May 29 21:34:09 <freemangordon> Woody14619, do you have any ide which gcc it will be?
May 29 21:34:31 <Woody14619> No... didn't think to ask, and it wasn't mentioned.
May 29 21:34:32 <Pali> each package which will be compiled by that gcc will be automatically thumb without needing to modify debian/rules file
May 29 21:35:02 <freemangordon> Pali, yaeh, at least on theory
May 29 21:35:20 <Woody14619> Pali, is that a good thing, or a bad thing? :S
May 29 21:35:56 <vi___> now I know EXACTLY what a BIOS is.  Can you explain what you meant by bios in the n900 context?
May 29 21:36:14 <Pali> Woody14619, this allow to create thumb deb package without needing to modify source package
May 29 21:36:16 <DocScrutinizer51> for CSSU official flavours, it's definitely a very bad thing if we can't use another certified compiler for that
May 29 21:36:45 <Pali> DocScrutinizer51, my idea is to choose compiler for repository
May 29 21:36:53 <Woody14619> I guess good if you want the fix in & take the potential speed hit(s), but bad if you don't?
May 29 21:36:54 <freemangordon> vi__, absolutely the same, it is a ROM code with an API. It is the first thing to be loaded after power-on AFAIK
May 29 21:36:55 <DocScrutinizer51> that should work
May 29 21:37:07 <Pali> so to create testing repo with our thumb compiler
May 29 21:37:30 <Pali> and I think OBS could support it
May 29 21:37:52 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: well, that's ROMBL
May 29 21:37:57 <DocScrutinizer51> or ROMBOOT
May 29 21:38:21 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, agree, what I am calling is PPA, but it isin ROM as well
May 29 21:38:46 <vi___> But a ROM is just a data store.
May 29 21:38:52 <vi___> it has no smarta
May 29 21:39:01 <freemangordon> vi__, PPA stands for Primary Protected Application, that signed with nokia keys, etc
May 29 21:39:08 <vi___> ^smarts
May 29 21:39:21 <freemangordon> vi__, there is secure RAM area in OMAP
May 29 21:40:55 <vi___> so there is a system co-processor who has a control register that has a switch for enabling/disabling tumb2
May 29 21:41:09 <DocScrutinizer51> no
May 29 21:41:12 <freemangordon> vi__, there is a special instruction(SMC, stands for secure monitor call) to call PPA or HAL API. The code in PPA is executed in secure priviledged mode, and have a full access to HW
May 29 21:41:13 <DocScrutinizer51> no coproc
May 29 21:41:34 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, according to ARM terms it is a co-processor
May 29 21:41:47 <DocScrutinizer51> o.O
May 29 21:41:52 <freemangordon> well, 15 of them
May 29 21:41:53 <vi___> a co-processor on the same chip?
May 29 21:42:02 <Woody14619> .oO(As much as a PDP11 was a co-processor for a Vax)
May 29 21:42:02 <DocScrutinizer51> sure
May 29 21:42:07 <DocScrutinizer51> it's a SoC
May 29 21:42:17 <freemangordon> yeah, it is a SoC
May 29 21:42:30 <vi___> I majored in VHDL.
May 29 21:43:02 <DocScrutinizer51> aaaah yes you might be right, I seem to recall security processor in our modem at work (Also ARM)
May 29 21:43:27 <freemangordon> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/ch02s12s13.html
May 29 21:43:43 <freemangordon> system control coprocessor that is
May 29 21:44:14 <vi___> ok.
May 29 21:44:31 <vi___> so is thumb2 broken or not then?
May 29 21:44:38 <freemangordon> vi__, it is a bit more complicated than that, check here http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git-commits-head/2009/5/3/5622724
May 29 21:44:53 <freemangordon> that is the worksround which is supposed to fix it
May 29 21:44:58 <vi___> aah thank you, a little light reading.
May 29 21:45:13 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway it's basically nothing different to age old software interrupts that allow userland process to request root land stuff to be executed by a system library
May 29 21:45:38 <freemangordon> :nod: that is wahy I used BIOS term
May 29 21:45:41 <freemangordon> *why
May 29 21:45:51 <DocScrutinizer51> I understrood quite fine
May 29 21:46:03 <DocScrutinizer51> ask RST38h ;-D
May 29 21:46:26 <freemangordon> vi___, but it does not work on n900, as "IBE Bit" is not accessible from kernel, so theat kernel patch does nothing
May 29 21:47:32 <DocScrutinizer51> there's something even more privileged than kernel though
May 29 21:47:46 <DocScrutinizer51> which can do it according to freemangordon
May 29 21:47:50 <DocScrutinizer51> PPA
May 29 21:48:03 <freemangordon> vi__, now, what I was lucky to find is the correct "int 2Fh" function to call to set that bit
May 29 21:48:31 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, it is not according to me, it is according to MCR on ACR
May 29 21:48:47 <DocScrutinizer51> :-) sure
May 29 21:49:19 <DocScrutinizer51> I just have no idea what those TLA mean
May 29 21:49:25 <freemangordon> MCR is instruction to read a coprocessor register to MPU register
May 29 21:49:40 <freemangordon> ACR is aux control regiter (the register in question)
May 29 21:49:57 <freemangordon> kernel can read it, but cannot write it, write op end as NOP
May 29 21:50:24 <DocScrutinizer51> well, the code to do that magic on int 2f has to be in ROM code though
May 29 21:50:29 <vi___> DocScrutinizer51: now that I understand
May 29 21:50:47 <vi___> 5he dos interrupts thing that is
May 29 21:50:47 <freemangordon> yeah. the sweet part is that it is described in TRM :P
May 29 21:50:48 <DocScrutinizer51> no?
May 29 21:50:55 <DocScrutinizer51> aaah
May 29 21:51:19 <DocScrutinizer51> a proper pointer would help a lot
May 29 21:51:22 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
May 29 21:51:37 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, gimme a minute to open the TRM
May 29 21:52:04 <DocScrutinizer51> take your time, I'm taking mine to get me a beer before I go to sleep
May 29 21:52:16 <chem|st> o/
May 29 21:52:32 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, 25.4 Device Initialization by ROM Code
May 29 21:52:38 <freemangordon> function 3
May 29 21:52:51 <DocScrutinizer51> ta
May 29 21:52:52 <vi___> define: trm
May 29 21:53:04 <DocScrutinizer51> tech ref manual
May 29 21:53:06 <freemangordon> Technical Reference Manual
May 29 21:53:10 <DocScrutinizer51> ~wtf trm
May 29 21:53:12 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what trm means... 
May 29 21:53:16 <DocScrutinizer51> ~trm
May 29 21:53:18 <vi___> aah, da datasheet
May 29 21:53:19 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: my sisters device was borked, flashing emmc and combined did not work... as rootfs was borked ahead
May 29 21:53:40 <DocScrutinizer51> well, if you call 3000+ pages a sheet ;-P
May 29 21:53:57 <vi___> there are lies.  Damn lies.  Statistics.  Then there are datasheets.
May 29 21:54:14 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51, and for more reference you may want to look at BB init in u-boot :P
May 29 21:54:25 <vi___> 3000!!11qqqq!
May 29 21:54:38 <vi___> I thought the 8051 manual was epic
May 29 21:54:47 <vi___> at ~300
May 29 21:54:48 <Estel_> Woody14619, hello back in the civilization :D
May 29 21:54:56 <Estel_> seriously though, I hope You enjoyed Your wilderness trip
May 29 21:55:06 <freemangordon> vi___, exactly 3454 according to acrobat reader :D
May 29 21:55:10 <Estel_> you msised great fun with people submitting to Ca awards
May 29 21:55:33 <Estel_> ...few argues with DocScrutinizer, and some aweosme development ;)
May 29 21:55:36 <DocScrutinizer51> vi___: and for h-e-n I had to visit some half dozen versions of that
May 29 21:55:48 <freemangordon> vi__, other questions?
May 29 21:55:49 <freemangordon> :P
May 29 21:56:01 <vi___> How do magnets work?
May 29 21:56:07 <Estel_> honestly, I admire DocScrutinizer for reading that (re hostmode), it's like reading phone book
May 29 21:56:16 <freemangordon> magnetically?
May 29 21:56:24 <vi___> magically?
May 29 21:56:29 <Estel_> magnetrs? Those thing that have a soul cursed inside, to reach invisible hands and pull things?
May 29 21:56:42 <freemangordon> hmm, sounds sane
May 29 21:56:53 <vi___> magnet!=cursed touch stone
May 29 21:56:55 <Estel_> freemangordon, how You've found this in 3454 pages document?
May 29 21:57:03 <DocScrutinizer51> maginetically
May 29 21:57:05 <Estel_> using searchj?
May 29 21:57:07 <Estel_> ;P
May 29 21:57:17 <Estel_> or doing voodoo rituals?
May 29 21:57:27 <freemangordon> Estel_, I made it work first, then I started to search a rationale :D
May 29 21:57:38 <Estel_> :) this is how I like things to be done
May 29 21:57:43 <MrPingu> :P
May 29 21:57:49 <Estel_> probably, that's is why i'marguing with DocScrutinizer  all the time
May 29 21:57:56 <Estel_> different life philosophies ;P
May 29 21:57:59 <vi___> freemangordon: employers are going to have to fight for the right to employ pali and yourself.
May 29 21:58:14 <Estel_> yea, in mud
May 29 21:58:21 <vi___> I hope you are righting all these acheivments down.
May 29 21:58:21 <Estel_> but only if they're female employers
May 29 21:58:34 <freemangordon> nah, I am ok where I am right now
May 29 21:58:38 <vi___> ^writing.
May 29 21:58:47 <Estel_> freemangordon for president ;)
May 29 21:58:58 <freemangordon> writing? yes, in source code
May 29 21:59:14 <freemangordon> damn, I am a developer, not a writer :P
May 29 21:59:24 <Estel_> You need a agent ;)
May 29 21:59:31 <Estel_> user-agent.
May 29 21:59:38 <DocScrutinizer51> no, a pimp
May 29 21:59:39 <vi___> srsly, graduates are 10 per euro cent. programmers with proof are hard to get.
May 29 21:59:41 <Estel_> ;p
May 29 22:00:04 <Estel_> vi_, don't put him in self-admiratiuon too much :p
May 29 22:00:13 <freemangordon> well, thats a problem Pali have to solve in a few years :D
May 29 22:00:24 <Estel_> or he is even going to connect N950's FMTX to antenna via kernel.
May 29 22:00:34 <freemangordon> Estel_, no way, I am already on the limit
May 29 22:00:56 <Estel_> freemangordon, one guy submitting to program, was using hisN9 things as rationale...
May 29 22:01:00 <Estel_> and have 'kernel development'
May 29 22:01:04 <Estel_>  specified in maemo.org profile
May 29 22:01:10 <Estel_> maybe I should bribe him?:P
May 29 22:02:01 <freemangordon> Estel_, if he is a developer and have a will to work on n900 kernel why not?
May 29 22:02:20 <freemangordon> but his device have to be under a condition :D
May 29 22:02:27 <Estel_> yea... i;m afraid the second part is not true :(
May 29 22:02:35 <Estel_> BTW
May 29 22:02:44 <Estel_> one guy made better rationale than Pali for getting N950
May 29 22:02:46 <Estel_> "I have n900 and n9, event my n900 died now, i have to save more money(Indonesia has bad monetary system) i would like to be an N950 owner, what a pride and priceless moment when i hold n950, and i hope nokia continue to develope it, and maybe its become main product of nokia, so i make a wish, and your all great, what the meaning of maemo without this superb community, bravo maemo.org"
May 29 22:03:07 <Estel_> I think he deserves N950 just because indonesia have bad monetary system :(
May 29 22:03:21 <freemangordon> damn, its 1 am here
May 29 22:03:34 <freemangordon> gtg gyus, bb
May 29 22:03:40 <Estel_> (i'm not laughing behind someone's back - all those bullshit is send to public mailing list)
May 29 22:03:41 <MrPingu> Hmm I deserve one because I have a bad monetary system?
May 29 22:03:44 <Estel_> see ya freemangordon
May 29 22:03:59 <MrPingu> good night!
May 29 22:04:49 <Estel_> MrPingu, see that:
May 29 22:04:54 <Estel_> "Im so proud when hold my first N900, reading, and watching youtube everyday about maemo(dualboot, etc), and then finally managed to get one after saving my money and i love it!! , after 4 months hold n900, disaster comings, my son play it around and throw my n900 into the water, and its died, soon i manage to get an N9(even its rare and hard to find here), as long as i held maemo device, i much and much learning from this community, what the meaning of
May 29 22:04:54 <Estel_>  real-power of linux and other stuff too, actually im working at samsung gallery, but falling in love with maemo and cant understand why nokia abando it, so im gonna be a little dust of your community, lets keep it alive, long live maemo, you are all awesome!!!"
May 29 22:05:35 <Estel_> we should get a 3-4 Nokia's 1100 for "recognizing" nominations like that
May 29 22:05:58 <MrPingu> LoL
May 29 22:05:59 <Woody14619> huh?  bad monetrary system = device is about as bad an idea as governance by having a sword given to you by a spirit in a lake....
May 29 22:06:16 <Woody14619> .oO("You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!")
May 29 22:06:29 <MrPingu> I am still thinking what my "story" would be
May 29 22:06:29 <Estel_> poor people with N900 dropped into water, lets give them few 1100.
May 29 22:07:06 <MrPingu> I JUST LOVE Maemo, CAN HAZ them?
May 29 22:07:08 <Estel_> MrPingu, write something about evil uncle that swapped you N900's motherboard with lumnia one
May 29 22:07:16 <Estel_> and hole crusade to reclaim it
May 29 22:07:44 <Estel_> + princess and half of kingdom
May 29 22:07:57 <Woody14619> And yes, Estel_, I'm back from the woods, for now. :)  I actually almost got on for the meeting, but apparently Tmobil is banned without SASL and xchat on N900 fails to do it right without a plugin.
May 29 22:08:20 <Estel_> Woody14619, I see... well, i explained people why You were not able to made it there :)
May 29 22:08:24 <Estel_> ah
May 29 22:08:24 <Estel_> BTW
May 29 22:08:25 <MrPingu> No, I think it's going to be about a dragon who stealed my N900
May 29 22:08:38 <Estel_> Woody14619, join internal chann for a while, if You have time now?
May 29 22:09:03 <Woody14619> ?internal?  What channel is that?
May 29 22:09:46 <Woody14619> .oO(Why can't we just hold all meetings in one channel?  Vs making 800 channels?)
May 29 22:10:02 <Estel_> Will explain it on 801 channel :D
May 29 22:10:16 <MrPingu> haha :P
May 29 22:10:59 <MrPingu> Well I am going to sleep, tomorrow my last exam then freedom for some weeks :D
May 29 22:13:44 <MrPingu> Good night,  cya!
May 29 22:14:58 <Estel_> Good luck MrPingu
May 29 22:18:19 <user_> how do you change a swaps priority withou swapon/off ing?
May 29 22:24:17 <Raimu> Reading tonight's channel quarrel made my head hurt.
May 29 22:25:18 <Raimu> Estel, BTW, do you write on a regular keyboard? I think some of your lines are actually getting harder to read as time passes.
May 29 22:25:21 <DocScrutinizer51> vi___: not at all?
May 29 22:26:01 <Raimu> Estekl, I mean that you write competent text on TMO, but your IRC output has the most typos I see on any channel.
May 29 22:26:13 <Raimu> ..."Estekl." Well, that was ironic.
May 29 22:26:14 <Estel_> Raimu, I also notice that, as time passes, and IRC activity grow up (probably, due to being Councilor) my grammar and writing skills ar egetting worse and worse :(
May 29 22:26:34 <Estel_> sure thing, that it was irony ;) not that I don't belive it.
May 29 22:26:37 <Estel_> hehe, thanks a lot
May 29 22:26:58 <Estel_> well, maybe I'll need to actually start *READING* things before hitting enter... Never though that this doomsday will ever happen :(
May 29 22:27:06 <Estel_> seriously though...
May 29 22:27:40 <Raimu> :)
May 29 22:27:49 <Estel_> I've so much work with a) last things about installing council - as chair, all formalities are on me now b) Communtiy Awards and submissions c) whatever non-Council related activity on Maemo d) breathing :)
May 29 22:28:08 <Estel_> that, supposedly, I just tried to write everything too fast, or, to do too many things at the same time
May 29 22:28:25 <Estel_> BTW i'm very strange type of writer, if You're interested - sorry for monologue ;)
May 29 22:28:38 <Estel_> With all this speed, I'mwriting using - literally - two fingers
May 29 22:28:50 <Estel_> right hand middle, and left hand 2nd
May 29 22:29:12 <Raimu> I've sometimes thought you're writing lightning-speed on a n900 or something.
May 29 22:29:24 <Estel_> because many times I'm ;P
May 29 22:29:30 <Raimu> Touché
May 29 22:29:49 <Estel_> currently, on full keyboard, but i'm switching from mobile and desktop all the times
May 29 22:29:54 <Estel_> well, real life is also demanding :P
May 29 22:29:58 <GeneralAntilles> No one can touch my N900 speeds.
May 29 22:30:01 <Estel_> not like reading all those submissions, but still :p
May 29 22:30:27 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: indeed
May 29 22:30:30 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, challenged accepted :P seriously though, You're probably faster.
May 29 22:30:36 <GeneralAntilles> I'm way out of practice
May 29 22:30:52 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't touched an N900 keyboard since last year.
May 29 22:31:01 <Woody14619> .oO(GeneralAntilles: My keystrokes bring all the boys to the yard?)
May 29 22:31:06 <Estel_> Oh, You just screwed Your chances to get N9 in CA
May 29 22:31:08 <Estel_> (joke)
May 29 22:31:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, I've transcribed more than one keynote to IRC via N900.
May 29 22:31:27 <GeneralAntilles> One of them was half in Spanish!
May 29 22:31:35 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles is writing faster on N900 than speakers on a lecture are speaking
May 29 22:32:00 <Estel_> and know what they want to say before they've said that
May 29 22:32:07 <Estel_> that is why he udnerstand me, and You don't, apparently :p
May 29 22:32:18 <vi___> Woody14619: I could inform you however I would require some form of monetary recompense.
May 29 22:32:38 <Woody14619> XD
May 29 22:32:38 <Raimu> GeneralAntilles: *swoon*
May 29 22:33:07 <GeneralAntilles> Estel_, nah, that's the Mad Facilitator Skillz.
May 29 22:33:27 * GeneralAntilles sat on the council that kept Talk from burning down after it was brought into maemo.org.
May 29 22:33:40 <vi___> I do believe my comorrancy is of a maesurably higher standard than yous.
May 29 22:33:46 <Estel_> well, we're starting little contest. Vi is writing few lines of text, and one who is able to re-write them, got a half of potato... Eh, it would be just copy and paste contest ;)
May 29 22:33:57 <vi___> higher standard than yours.
May 29 22:34:04 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, I know :)
May 29 22:34:22 <Estel_> I'm glad to see that You're still somewhat active
May 29 22:34:23 <GeneralAntilles> vi___, cormorantcy?
May 29 22:34:30 <Estel_> something about cormorans
May 29 22:34:37 <GeneralAntilles> Estel_, who's somewhat active?
May 29 22:34:38 <vi___> a bird stew??
May 29 22:34:50 <Estel_> http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/10/07/09/53401324cormoran-blog-jpg.jpg
May 29 22:35:01 <Estel_> GeneralAntilles, You - I mean, that you're still here
May 29 22:35:05 <GeneralAntilles> Oh
May 29 22:35:09 <Estel_> doing MWN and such stuff
May 29 22:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 29 22:35:19 <vi___> a kind of domicile
May 29 22:35:20 <GeneralAntilles> Was gonna say.
May 29 22:35:53 <GeneralAntilles> vi___, commorancy?
May 29 22:35:59 <GeneralAntilles> Every damn week for years now.
May 29 22:36:03 <Estel_> Honestly, it's a pity than no other way (except for pinging You here directly, or Jaffa) to contribute MWN, other than twitter
May 29 22:36:32 <GeneralAntilles> What other way would you like?
May 29 22:36:36 <Estel_> I'm just not cormoranish type of guy and I don't use twitter/facebook/whatever :(
May 29 22:36:42 <Woody14619> Plenty of ways... making wiki pages works too, if they're popular enough. :)
May 29 22:36:45 <Estel_> IRC bot collecting links :p
May 29 22:36:47 <Estel_> mailing list
May 29 22:36:48 <Estel_> whatever
May 29 22:36:52 <GeneralAntilles> Meh
May 29 22:36:55 <GeneralAntilles> Just ping one of us here.
May 29 22:37:00 <GeneralAntilles> I'm never too far away.
May 29 22:37:01 <Estel_> something accesible without registering on murky website
May 29 22:37:03 <DocScrutinizer51> telepathty
May 29 22:37:10 <Estel_> and accepting they murky rules and privacy policy
May 29 22:37:15 <Estel_> Aye.
May 29 22:37:17 <GeneralAntilles> Say qwerty12's name 3 times.
May 29 22:37:25 <Estel_> and write pentagram
May 29 22:38:55 <DocScrutinizer51> sacrifice a squiid
May 29 22:39:36 <Raimu> Write mystical runes on a CAPTCHA check anywhere
May 29 23:25:14 <DocScrutinizer51> ~seen lcuk
May 29 23:25:25 <infobot> lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 259d 9h 24m 15s ago, saying: 'heh'.
May 29 23:29:57 <GeneralAntilles> Has it really been that long?
May 29 23:31:44 <DocScrutinizer51> yap *sigh*
May 29 23:32:53 <DocScrutinizer51> GeneralAntilles: seen RevKathy posting on [cmty]? Nice to see her around
May 29 23:33:06 <GeneralAntilles> I was poking her on Twitter this morning.
May 29 23:33:13 <DocScrutinizer51> :-)
May 29 23:34:03 * DocScrutinizer51 feels like times changed a friggin lot in just less than 24 months
May 29 23:35:00 <GeneralAntilles> There's a Dylan song about that, I think.
May 29 23:35:20 <DocScrutinizer51> -ChanServ- 8     jOERG_rw               +votriA [modified 2 years, 9 weeks, 6 days, 02:13:36 ago]
May 29 23:35:29 <DocScrutinizer51> incredible
May 29 23:36:38 <Hurrian> maemo wiki seems to be down, can anyone check?
May 29 23:36:50 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm
May 29 23:36:55 <GeneralAntilles> Up here.
May 29 23:36:56 <DocScrutinizer51> check what?
May 29 23:37:07 <Hurrian> nevermind, seems to be just a small, high-load time
May 29 23:37:54 <DocScrutinizer51> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org
May 29 23:45:38 <DocScrutinizer51> Hurrian: or it was me testing my latest DOS-attack tool ;-P
May 30 00:57:32 <robbiethe1st> Look! Nokia N900's spiritual successor: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/525189507-Aigo-Palmtop-Tablet-PC-MID-P8880E-Upgrade-version-4-8-inches-1-2G-Intel-Atom-Z515-wholesalers.html
May 30 01:00:23 <robbiethe1st> ... And a Maemo-rip-off? http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/539472777--EMS-Shipping-Business-tablet-3GNET-MI13-1G-RAM-5-Touchscreen-WiFi-Intel-Z515-1-2GHz-wholesalers.html
May 30 01:26:59 <sethstorm> robbiethe1st: I'd be surprised if it was some sort of maemo/etc. derivative
May 30 01:28:24 <Hurrian> it probably isn't running maemo
May 30 01:28:31 <sethstorm> MTX?
May 30 01:28:34 <Hurrian> maybe some java symbian ripoff
May 30 01:29:21 <sethstorm> robbiethe1st: the first one of those is promising, but the battery life would have to be abysmal
May 30 01:30:39 <sethstorm> and the cdma radio would be likely to not be usable w/ US providers
May 30 01:34:29 <sethstorm> (as much as plenty of us out there that want options for a CDMA qwerty slider that isn't encumbered)
May 30 01:40:15 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer, Kathy Smith (revdKathy) also submitten to CA program ;)
May 30 01:40:21 <Estel_> I was shocked to see Her submissions yesterday
May 30 01:41:19 <Estel_> ~seen RevdKathy
May 30 01:41:20 <infobot> revdkathy <~androirc@5ace035f.bb.sky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 257d 7h 47m 23s ago, saying: 'oh silly me, yes. It's apple who lift other people's work and pass it off as their own. '.
May 30 01:41:58 <Estel_> and I freakin' can't belive it's already 3/4 of a year since lcuk departure.
May 30 01:43:56 <Estel_> well, I see it everyday - my Son is already 3 years and 4 months old, and, considering this "growth rate", he will be as old as I'm now quite quickly ;) I'm telling You, something is changing in minds, Earth's spin and orbital movement is perceived *much* faster than 30 years ago almost for everyone
May 30 01:44:33 <Estel_> freakin' year is passing like a moment
May 30 01:45:13 <Estel_> It may be surprising, what I'm going to say, but I don't think it's necessary bad. It's just... Well, strange a little, and interesting for sure.
May 30 02:29:17 <Estel_> submissions processed, mails and PM's answered, TMO "checked"...  n8, time to get some sleep. Postponing development for tomorrow...
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