**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 02:59:58 2012 Jun 01 03:36:17 ough. Jun 01 03:37:10 qole at CA... normally, would be insta win, but he's kinda inactive for long time, which seems to not comply with "still contributing" Jun 01 03:37:19 well, we will see. Jun 01 03:37:50 funny thing, though about him yesterday and wondered why he haven't nominated himself Jun 01 03:37:54 tele-magnet Jun 01 03:50:07 Estel_: was "still contributing" added as a requirement? Jun 01 03:54:47 Hi.. I am facing a problem flashing my N9 Jun 01 03:54:56 it says X-Loader image is too big Jun 01 03:55:10 has anyone faced this before ? Jun 01 03:55:39 #harmattan Jun 01 03:55:55 also, redownload the firmware Jun 01 03:57:17 can i md5 the firmware first ? coz it will take me one full night to download.. my only internet connection is 3g Jun 01 04:02:57 Hurrian: please, you're the only person awake at this moment :) can you have a look at this ? http://pastebin.com/XJ6wx8Ey Jun 01 04:02:59 please ? Jun 01 04:03:08 i feel the file is not corrupt Jun 01 04:09:43 Hurrian: ?? Still around ? Jun 01 04:12:54 --flash-only=rootfs Jun 01 04:16:02 luke-jr, it was there from the very beginning Jun 01 04:16:27 what a ***** Jun 01 04:16:54 one ***** son of a **** tried to rob me on 200 euro Jun 01 04:17:07 was selling "Nokia N900 + N8" Jun 01 04:17:19 problem is, that N8 is fake, but very good fake Jun 01 04:17:57 only price tag made me suspicious, especially, that N8 was new with foil on screen. Nevertheless, I almost got caught Jun 01 04:18:35 very good description, very good photos etc - fake contain Nokia marks, but hidden on photos, only after getting suspicious I noticed that, much effort to mask them made Jun 01 04:19:13 actually, called police (2 things - trying to cheat while selling, and trying to sell fake product) and send sucker a "love letter" Jun 01 04:19:43 of course seler with 100 % positive ratio and reviews, more than hundred of them Jun 01 04:19:49 beware, people. Jun 01 04:20:34 It's the case, where, from the deep of my heart, I wish him to get invoice from Nokia for unauthorized usage of trademarks. Doubt that it will happen, though. Jun 01 04:21:43 I've seen many things - including chinese fake N900 put into "real" N900 body took from "hollow" N900's, like those in operator's selling points... Jun 01 04:22:32 But this one was most retardish thing I've seen for months, and as said, I almost bite it, and I'm quite hard to be fooled on such things. Jun 01 04:33:41 Estel_: hmm, some people were talking about devs who've been gone for years applying Jun 01 04:34:16 well, people are talking many things, the problem is, that, most of the times, it's nonsense. Jun 01 04:34:25 BTW, of course, they can apply Jun 01 04:34:45 but, "still contributing" is requiment to actually "win" device Jun 01 04:34:50 i c Jun 01 04:34:54 guess that improves my chances Jun 01 04:35:12 though tbh, I worry that whoever's on the current Council maybe never heard of me Jun 01 04:35:22 so, unless someone enjoy submitting as per se, such "nice try" is worthless. Jun 01 04:35:32 since I'm barely talkative here these days, let alone forums etc Jun 01 04:35:50 so how are You continously supporting Community? ;) Jun 01 04:36:11 Estel_: I continuously maintain Gentoo for N900 :p Jun 01 04:36:18 including working on getting voice calls functional Jun 01 04:38:45 where this work is documented? Jun 01 04:38:51 wiki, thread on TMO? Jun 01 04:39:24 not much docs on N900 port; N810 has a wiki on Github Jun 01 04:39:39 i.e. where random interested person can get info about it, things working already or not, how to set up properly. Jun 01 04:39:44 N900 install is mostly the same, except adding n900 overlay instead of n8x0 Jun 01 04:39:59 hm, isn't it pity, that Your work will dissapear if zyou get hit by bus tomorrow? or, today? Jun 01 04:40:03 I advise people setting it up to get in touch with me :p Jun 01 04:40:15 see above. Jun 01 04:40:17 Estel_: indeed. want to be person #2 who supports it? :P Jun 01 04:40:32 but if I get hit by a bus, I have much bigger concerns tbh :p Jun 01 04:40:45 nope, until You document it on wiki page. After that, with pleasure Jun 01 04:41:03 not much to document really Jun 01 04:41:16 install Gentoo, add N900 overlay, pretty much done <.< Jun 01 04:41:27 hey, running desktop's os on N900 *is* thing to document Jun 01 04:41:49 check tmo thread about ubuntu 12.04 on N900 and kernel things to make hardware work. Jun 01 04:41:49 * luke-jr has never been good at documenting Jun 01 04:42:02 maybe some of it could get savenged for gentoo too Jun 01 04:42:16 s/savenged/scavenged/ Jun 01 04:42:16 Estel_ meant: maybe some of it could get scavenged for gentoo too Jun 01 04:42:17 well, just using Maemo power kernel sources for now Jun 01 04:42:27 thumb2 thing? Jun 01 04:42:34 would save lotta hell of ram Jun 01 04:43:05 You see? lack of documentation, even basic one, is a roadblock for cooperation between projects Jun 01 04:43:19 btw, thread on TMO is kinda self-writing documentation Jun 01 04:43:29 written by every participant :) Jun 01 04:43:43 at worst, You can start blog about it :P Jun 01 04:44:01 * luke-jr would rather spend that time actually getting useful stuff done <.< Jun 01 04:44:20 it's possible, that it's very nice project, but I agree that99% of people havent heard about it... Jun 01 04:44:34 and 1% rest just shrugs shoulders, without details Jun 01 04:45:41 = Your chances for CA are pretty low, probably, while, if guy behind Lubuntu 12.04 with 2.6.37 kernel, would - in case of submission - have pretty good chances, I suppose. Jun 01 04:46:06 useful stuff isn't useful as per FOSS if You keep them to Yourself only. Jun 01 04:46:14 not only due to bus 'n' hit Jun 01 04:46:24 but due to closing door for cooperation Jun 01 04:46:32 witm, well, Community :) Jun 01 04:46:42 I don't keep it to myself. Jun 01 04:47:03 door isn't closed, it just isn't visible to people unqualified :P Jun 01 04:47:40 sounds retardish, even with ":P" at the end ;) Jun 01 04:47:49 (sorry, I'm quite honest at 7 AM) Jun 01 04:48:41 and like rather poor excuse for laziness about documenting, lack of goals/plan to achieve it, and overall chaos of the project ;) Jun 01 04:49:19 even arch linux on N900 gained more attention, as, actually, there is something written about it "somewhere" Jun 01 04:50:00 I suppose gentoo on N900 is much older project. Jun 01 08:00:40 Estel_: don't be mean now Jun 01 09:12:42 vi_: Thanks for the link to 'vee' :) Jun 01 10:04:06 Estel_: I was lucky that I bought a used N900 from someone here in this channel, and it was all legit and worked out well. Seller actually said "don't pay me until you have received the goods". Unfortunately not all people are honest like that. And he also trusted me to pay him after getting the goods. Jun 01 10:16:47 phew, stepped on my n900, nothing happened Jun 01 10:16:58 not full weight tho Jun 01 10:22:42 :) Jun 01 10:25:26 instant panic Jun 01 10:25:48 was inside a case tho :) Jun 01 11:45:27 hi! if somebody has n900 (not with hw revision 2101 or 2204), please attach dump of atags to thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84560 thanks! Jun 01 11:49:21 hw revision is found where? Jun 01 11:50:46 r00t|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo Jun 01 11:50:56 r00t|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep HW Jun 01 11:50:59 r00t|home: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep hw Jun 01 11:51:02 I dunno Jun 01 11:56:53 o/ Jun 01 11:59:23 vi_: neither Jun 01 12:00:04 user@Nokia-N900[~]$ grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo Jun 01 12:00:04 Revision : 2101 Jun 01 12:00:13 so not mine anyway Jun 01 12:04:59 didnt know other than 2101 and 2204 even existed :) Jun 01 12:05:08 ive seen mentions of 2104 Jun 01 12:05:56 any differences between the revisions? Jun 01 12:07:19 i have one 2101 and one 2204 Jun 01 12:09:49 no idea what the diff is Jun 01 12:10:28 got 2101 and my usbport never came off Jun 01 12:10:46 i removed the "teeth" from my microusb cables Jun 01 12:10:48 just in case Jun 01 12:11:39 that does not improve on bending... and I got that many usbcables I dont want to cut all.. Jun 01 12:12:39 i only have 2 microusb cables (one from n810, another from n900) Jun 01 12:17:51 jaska: got 6 or something... five spare for 6eur Jun 01 12:19:53 jaska: shiny keyboard or something. Jun 01 12:20:11 Also, solder your USB down, it is what all the pros do. Jun 01 12:20:54 chem|st: length, ebay item number? ;) Jun 01 12:21:53 i can confirm that my 2101 has a shinier keyboard than my 2204... Jun 01 12:32:36 vi: with my soldering skills i would solder everything together :) Jun 01 12:33:05 i stopped doing anything when surface mounted components became the default Jun 01 12:39:10 SMD aint so hard, you just need the correct tools. Jun 01 12:39:49 r00t|home: no ebay, just amazone marketplace Jun 01 12:40:05 nokia originals bulk not retail Jun 01 12:40:35 bulk is the key, retail wall-chargers cost 5-10eurs more than bulk Jun 01 12:40:45 ie Jun 01 12:40:56 r00t|home: your country? Jun 01 12:42:30 jaska: you do not solder the connectors, you solder the housing onto the cpb Jun 01 12:42:32 pcb Jun 01 12:43:46 r00t|home: I like the nokia ones as the clip stops them from falling off the table Jun 01 12:47:35 chem|st: "as the clip rips out the connector"... Jun 01 12:58:20 no I am speaking of "the darn cable is not falling *behind* my desk after unpluging phones or hdds" Jun 01 13:00:43 any idea if there's an implementation of google drive on maemo anywhere out there? Jun 01 13:02:36 iphar: yes, no there is not. Jun 01 13:31:25 * merlin1991 wonders if running xen + windows7 ontop would yield in a reasonable graphics performance Jun 01 13:33:52 merlin1991: doubt it Jun 01 13:34:39 iphar: I suggested to include it with next look at sharing plugins in the futur Jun 01 15:53:34 GeneralAntilles: sup Jun 01 15:53:43 Hey, teotwaki. Jun 01 15:54:01 Absolutely nothing interesting. Jun 01 15:54:03 Except the rain. Jun 01 15:54:07 Lots of rain today. Jun 01 15:54:12 heh Jun 01 15:54:16 There's Florida for you Jun 01 15:54:36 Usually it's /afternoon/ thunderstorms. :< Jun 01 15:54:44 we had a gorgeous 100+ degrees here today Jun 01 15:54:46 Not "wake you up at 5 in the morning" thunderstorms. Jun 01 15:54:51 Sounds fun. Jun 01 15:54:59 Not a cloud in the sky Jun 01 15:55:05 Can't complain :) Jun 01 15:55:13 So, what you been up to? How's the studies going? Jun 01 15:55:55 Studies are progressing in a more consistent fashion than they were. *g* Jun 01 15:56:07 That's good news Jun 01 15:56:08 Sadly very little productive otherwise. Jun 01 15:57:02 What's new on the other side of the Atlantic? Jun 01 15:57:11 not much frankly Jun 01 15:57:28 Still in the same company, am product manager / lead dev / dev coordinator now Jun 01 15:57:39 Sounds like progress Jun 01 15:57:45 Florida is still our number one con artist destination Jun 01 15:57:55 I'm starting to get suspicious of you Jun 01 15:57:58 lol Jun 01 15:58:02 Seriously. Jun 01 15:58:22 Yeah, most of the tubes end up in Florida (for phone services) Jun 01 15:58:28 Evidently every escaped convict, bail jumper, man-on-the-run, and general good-for-nothing likes to run to Florida. Jun 01 15:58:33 so it's cheapest from Florida to buy numbers in France/Europe. Jun 01 15:58:38 'cause there's lots of open land to hide in and the winters wont kill you. Jun 01 15:59:09 Then they spam a couple thousand numbers, just long enough for it to ring, not long enough for anyone to pick up Jun 01 15:59:17 (as in, 28ms of ring time on average) Jun 01 15:59:21 To what possible end? Jun 01 15:59:45 a fair percentage of those people call back, not recognising the number, but it's a 0899 number, which is 1.5euros at connection and then 0.34 euros / minute Jun 01 15:59:54 so in an afternoon, they make a couple hundred thousand Jun 01 16:00:15 * GeneralAntilles facepalms. Jun 01 16:00:21 and these people don't realize that? Jun 01 16:00:27 nope Jun 01 16:00:42 well, if you got a call from 0899 911 911 911 Jun 01 16:00:45 would you call back? Jun 01 16:00:57 (just an example) Jun 01 16:01:16 No Jun 01 16:01:30 But I hardly answer the phone Jun 01 16:01:34 let allow call people back. Jun 01 16:01:37 So I'm probably an outlier. Jun 01 16:01:52 just take the probability of shit going on in one's life -- deceased loved one, working for the fire dept, , and people will convince themselves that that number really resembles one they've dialed before. Jun 01 16:02:31 So it's a tax on not being able to Google. :P Jun 01 16:02:45 They purchase the number at 3am Jun 01 16:02:48 by 7 am they're done Jun 01 16:02:51 Ah Jun 01 16:03:21 so yeah, you might get lucky, but in most cases it'll just provide you with the name of our company, or our provider Jun 01 16:03:56 the worst part is Jun 01 16:04:10 setting up a system that would lock them out if they try to spam numbers with short bursts Jun 01 16:04:12 piss easy Jun 01 16:04:22 would take maybe a 30 line patch to our voip stack Jun 01 16:05:30 it's cheaper and less risky for us to defend against people who lost a couple euros, than to deny custom to a guy at AT&T. Jun 01 16:06:03 Ha Jun 01 16:06:04 Actually, that's not the provider. Jun 01 16:06:15 It's the one that starts with a V Jun 01 16:06:20 and ends in erizon. Jun 01 16:06:21 Verizon? Jun 01 16:06:25 lol Jun 01 16:06:28 Those guys rock. Jun 01 16:06:37 They bring so much awesome to telecommunications. Jun 01 16:07:02 At some point, the number of scams coming from them was so bad Jun 01 16:07:39 Our provider told them they'd make them pay back 100% of their profit + our regular invoice, if they detected a scam Jun 01 16:07:50 they just replied "sure, no problem. We're still making money." Jun 01 16:08:17 Anyway Jun 01 16:08:21 am done for the week Jun 01 16:08:31 Going back home, and going to play SWTOR for a couple hours Jun 01 16:08:40 Woo Jun 01 16:08:41 Sounds fun. Jun 01 16:08:49 You playin? Jun 01 16:08:55 D3 maybe? Jun 01 16:08:58 Haven't gotten around to it yet. Jun 01 16:09:04 I'm reinvigorated on Forza 4 Jun 01 16:09:08 Haha Jun 01 16:09:11 Since it's got Porches now. Jun 01 16:09:28 You a Porsche fan? Jun 01 16:09:30 Also replaying Borderlands in preparation. Jun 01 16:09:41 http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/ Jun 01 16:12:00 hahaha Jun 01 16:12:14 the day we see an open source sponsoring a professional race car Jun 01 16:12:21 s/source/source project/ Jun 01 16:12:22 teotwaki meant: the day we see an open source project sponsoring a professional race car Jun 01 16:12:34 is the day I'll commit to becoming hindu. Jun 01 16:13:29 Hehe Jun 01 16:13:33 Those were the days. . . . Jun 01 16:13:42 Ah, well, now we have Tizen! Jun 01 16:13:57 OK, better eat lunch before work. Jun 01 16:27:53 well, Oracle is technically an open source company Jun 01 16:32:28 Afternoon, timeless. Jun 01 16:32:49 Corsac: ORLY? Jun 01 16:32:49 It's a regular menagerie of oldtimers this week. Jun 01 16:33:04 GeneralAntilles: I WONDER WHY? Jun 01 16:34:44 We're like vultures circling in for scraps. :P Jun 01 16:36:57 God help anyone who wins and does not reguarly post on tmo. Jun 01 16:37:12 Is that a requirement? Jun 01 16:37:27 Did they send Nokia Ninjas along with the devices to ensure compliance? Jun 01 16:37:36 no Jun 01 16:37:49 but anyone who does not win will be all? Jun 01 16:38:00 'who t f is this???' Jun 01 16:38:08 was this comp rigged? Jun 01 16:38:54 We already have an andre__, sorry. Jun 01 16:43:41 hi GeneralAntilles Jun 01 16:43:49 my irc client just finished upgrading Jun 01 16:44:00 timeless: hi Jun 01 16:44:05 hi Jun 01 16:44:05 timeless, how's Canada? Jun 01 16:44:12 good Jun 01 16:44:22 and my apartment in Helsinki sold today! Jun 01 16:44:29 * timeless is now landless Jun 01 16:44:32 Congratulations. Jun 01 16:44:33 That took a while. Jun 01 16:44:36 oh, it's pouring here Jun 01 16:44:39 GeneralAntilles: yeah, a year Jun 01 16:44:45 it failed to sell last summer Jun 01 16:44:51 this time it sold relatively quickly Jun 01 16:45:02 but there's no point in leaving it on the market in the (long) off-season Jun 01 16:45:21 anyway, there's little point in shopping in Canada during the off-season or peak either Jun 01 16:45:25 so i'm ok Jun 01 16:45:35 i just need to move my EUR out while the EUR is doing well against the CAD Jun 01 16:45:44 (the CAD is down against the USD atm, i think) Jun 01 16:46:35 Yay Jun 01 16:46:59 * timeless is irc'ing from a BlackBerry PlayBook Jun 01 16:47:36 (a moment ago I was typing from my laptop using Chrome) Jun 01 16:47:45 IRCCloud is cool Jun 01 16:47:56 HTML5? Jun 01 16:48:04 Yes Jun 01 16:48:11 Shit. Time for work. Jun 01 16:48:12 Later. Jun 01 16:48:13 It uses websockets Jun 01 17:58:23 * Sc0rpius yawns Jun 01 17:58:43 hola Jun 01 17:58:49 hi Jun 01 18:00:42 se te olvido el español? Jun 01 18:00:43 xD Jun 01 18:02:38 no, no se me ha olvidado Jun 01 18:02:49 pero me rega�an si hablo en espa�ol aqu� Jun 01 18:03:44 hah yea, i know, just kidding. Jun 01 18:42:32 Chiku|dc: Jun 01 18:42:42 hi Jun 01 18:42:45 ? Jun 01 18:42:48 chem|st: laying the smack down Jun 01 18:42:58 sorry, I mis typed your name. Jun 01 18:43:02 ok Jun 01 18:43:10 hello! none the less. Jun 01 18:43:10 * Chiku|dc is gone Jun 01 18:47:56 yes! wanna do? Jun 01 18:48:09 join up :) Jun 01 18:50:32 vi__: I don't want to but there is someone wrong on the internets! Jun 01 19:00:16 chem|st: you mean 'there is SOMONE wrong on the internet'? Jun 01 19:08:45 vi__: EXACTLY! Jun 01 19:24:30 ping freemangordon Jun 01 19:26:24 Pali: if you start writing your question... you know the rest... Jun 01 19:28:26 freemangordon, two N900 with same HW revision and same NOLO version passing two different MEM atags to kernel Jun 01 19:28:49 I think disassembling NOLO and X-Loader is needed :-( Jun 01 19:29:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1216020#post1216020 Jun 01 19:35:04 jacekowski, did you disassembled nolo? Jun 01 19:44:26 Pali: what for? Jun 01 19:44:45 jacekowski, how NOLO generate atags for kernel? Jun 01 19:45:26 dunno Jun 01 19:45:29 never looked into that Jun 01 19:46:15 lemme see Jun 01 19:47:32 jacekowski, do you have some disassembled nolo/x-loader text files? Jun 01 19:47:56 somewhere Jun 01 19:47:58 i have to find them Jun 01 19:48:07 i've never looked into that anyways Jun 01 19:48:12 so it won't be much of help anyways Jun 01 19:49:49 give me a minute Jun 01 19:55:17 vi__: not exactly that way but thanks for your support, those tmo bandwagons suck Jun 01 20:05:00 ~tmo Jun 01 20:05:01 methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen Jun 01 20:06:08 DocScrutinizer51, quite childlish Jun 01 20:06:16 are You sure, that You're still up to be chanop? Jun 01 20:07:21 jokes are fine sometime, but if IRC is one of officla channels- and it is - it should spread bullshit like that, especially via locked factoids Jun 01 20:07:30 ok, Sir. you made it on my /ignore list Jun 01 20:07:30 no matter of someone's personal frustrations Jun 01 20:07:49 no problem, i'll talk with IRC contact about that - after all, #maemo IRc isn't Your private property. Jun 01 20:08:46 neither yours (damn, my /ignore been too slow) Jun 01 20:10:06 so Your personal frustration about TMO shouldn't make it to lock info about it to "morons" and such things Jun 01 20:10:29 Anyway, I'm done with You, as said, will contact proper authority, as this situation with official #maemo channel can't persist any longer Jun 01 20:10:43 to use your own words " you won't hijack our irc" Jun 01 20:11:29 setting stupid factoid could be ignored, as everyone would be able to correct your foolishnes, but locking it to depreciate other communication channels? Childlish, unresponsible, and plain stupid. Jun 01 20:14:02 oooh, fun, here on this client another /ignore. So I have the opportunity to teach Mr Estel_ a bit about factoids. Jun 01 20:14:15 ~factinfo tmo Jun 01 20:14:16 error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) Jun 01 20:14:18 tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (718 days); last modified at Fri May 4 14:36:23 2012 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 20 times, last by Estel_, 8m 34s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. Jun 01 20:14:46 so? locked by DocScrutinizer51 Jun 01 20:14:51 to foolish, depreciating form Jun 01 20:15:02 as you can see if you are capable of reading, this factoid wasn't created by me Jun 01 20:15:06 not exactly what chanop is supposed to do. Jun 01 20:15:21 aah, so someone do foolish thing, and You lock it to persist that way? Jun 01 20:15:37 Jun 01 20:16:15 and locked by (me) due to fools messing around with factoids as they thought their nothion is better than the one of original factoid creator Jun 01 20:17:06 yes, that's exactly what I do: lock foolish things to stop a fools' battle Jun 01 20:17:07 still doens't answer why you haven't fixed it to not being depreciating to others (and other official channels) Jun 01 20:17:21 if someone would make factoid "Docscrutinizer is a moron", you would probably fix it. Jun 01 20:17:37 at least, You're chanop for such things too, yep? Jun 01 20:17:46 if You can be bothered to lock it, You can also fix it. Jun 01 20:18:07 and now I take my option to fix /ignore list of this chan Jun 01 20:18:14 err client Jun 01 20:18:52 no problem for me, again. Still, despite former great deed,s lately, you act zealotish and totally unpredictable - for sure not what is supposed to be actions of responsible chanop on #maemo official channel. Jun 01 20:19:05 if You don't see problem, then we will try to fix it other way. Jun 01 20:19:26 Estel_: IRC is not an official channel... in terms of commmunity... mailinglist is, thought we made that clear! Jun 01 20:19:37 no, it is also Jun 01 20:19:46 with a mention in council blog to - not created by us Jun 01 20:19:58 anyway, such behavior is unnaceptable, so please, dont' make poor excuses for DocScrutinizer51 behavior Jun 01 20:20:16 Estel_: you are way out of line for days now Jun 01 20:20:33 so, write a complain to other councilors with expected quotations. Jun 01 20:20:45 council is not controling maemo in the way you may think Jun 01 20:21:05 sure thing. you can belive in what You want. Still, we're going to take action about embarassing chanops behavior here. Jun 01 20:21:17 * Estel_ saluts Jun 01 20:21:20 I'm off for now Jun 01 20:21:50 WTF? Jun 01 20:22:13 Bet we are Jun 01 20:22:23 I love this channel for constant popcorn delivery. Jun 01 20:22:26 :-) Jun 01 20:22:34 you are welcome! Jun 01 20:22:45 jacekowski, did you find? Jun 01 20:23:14 * chem|st starts the popcorn machine and throws out oversalted popcorn for good... Jun 01 20:38:46 * vi__ munch crunch munch Jun 01 20:39:44 chem|st: thanks for the link Jun 01 20:40:07 Estel_: "If you've posted something and want to ensure the council sees it; please email council@maemo.org. " Jun 01 20:40:29 Estel_: Community-related news, announcements, and calls for participation are summarized in the Council blog. Jun 01 20:40:32 Council blog posts are syndicated to the Community subforum at Talk with a [Council] tag. Jun 01 20:40:38 just to make you read it again... Jun 01 20:40:49 your channels... Jun 01 20:40:59 DocScrutinizer51: yw Jun 01 20:42:55 ~tmo Jun 01 20:42:56 i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen Jun 01 20:43:03 lols Jun 01 20:43:10 vi__: love it! Jun 01 20:43:22 I feel... Jun 01 20:43:36 in the grand scheme of things, it does not matter. Jun 01 20:43:47 ~matter Jun 01 20:43:56 ~darkmatter Jun 01 20:44:02 ~testes Jun 01 20:44:03 * infobot grabs vi__'s nuts Jun 01 20:44:15 BWAHAAHHAHAHA Jun 01 20:44:16 ~striptease Jun 01 20:44:17 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Jun 01 20:44:31 !!! Jun 01 20:44:33 so much about Jun 01 20:44:35 dafuq Jun 01 20:44:58 ~love vi__ Jun 01 20:44:59 If you love vi__ so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) Jun 01 20:45:14 ~feed me Jun 01 20:45:15 * infobot offers chem|st some horseraddish Jun 01 20:45:21 ~thanks Jun 01 20:45:21 de rien, chem|st Jun 01 20:45:37 ~kiss Jun 01 20:45:44 nooooh Jun 01 20:45:53 :D Jun 01 20:46:51 later o7 Jun 01 21:37:42 chem|st, honestly, i'm sure you know it already, and are talking BS jsut because you're biased towards DocScrutinizer51 but read about Frenoode rules Jun 01 21:37:45 naming concention Jun 01 21:37:47 convention* Jun 01 21:37:53 and ownership of channels related to platforms. Jun 01 21:38:22 enjoy your popcorn, nothing wrong in it ;) Jun 01 21:38:26 Estel_: I think he is gone. Jun 01 21:39:11 still, management of #maemo etc. need to be cleared, as it, seems, some people treat is as own property and feel like leaders of international football organisations (i.e. "non-removable") Jun 01 22:38:05 BLABLABLABLA Jun 01 22:42:16 YADAYADAYADA Jun 01 22:42:48 listen buddy, the funny two details: 1) I got shanghai'd for chanop of this chan, and I'm not the elast afraid to leave this position vacant (though nobody except you ever thought that'd be a good idea). and b) I'm chanop and GC of some dozen other chan, so believe me I know at least as much about both legalese and policies of freenode than you do Jun 01 22:43:51 some dozen, since some years mow Jun 01 22:44:03 now* Jun 01 22:46:30 and btw I have to break my promise: I have to ask you to find another way of managing your IRC access, as Ihink it's kinda strange when you ask for removing my name from access list and you accidentally get affected in the process due to same IP and hostname Jun 01 22:46:37 whats he goy against you? Jun 01 22:46:46 nfc Jun 01 22:46:50 I said Jun 01 22:46:57 ~tmo Jun 01 22:46:57 extra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxen Jun 01 22:47:14 Sigh.... You know... you're a half decent channel op 99% of the time. It's just that you tend to devolve into a major ass-hat when he who bitched is around. Yes, I know, you two have issues... but really? It's like being in a kindergarten classroom. Jun 01 22:47:28 I guess he forgot to take his pills today Jun 01 22:47:29 And yes, I know, it's not one sided... Jun 01 22:48:01 He's a pretty major ass-hat a lot of times.... But really. The two of you reflect each other like a pair of mirrors... Jun 01 22:48:12